hey, everybody, i'm chris cuomo, welcome back to "prime time," i know about our regular hour, we did 8:00 and now the second hour, the regular hour. why should anything be clear? everything is confusing. president should be more worried about this virus, and i argue to you he's more worried than he's telling us. look how he's reacting to it being in the white house. it's not just one case but two among white house staffers. today he revealed that the vice president's press secretary has it. katie miller, the woman without the mask in the picture in front of your face, she is the wife of one of his top aides, stephen miller. now, look, i hope that there are light symptoms and they pass quickly and mo one else in her family gets it, okay? diagnosis comes day after confirmation that president's personal valet tested positive. this spreads. that's why you need testing and tracing.

response in the white house? everybody get tested every day, trace, where was katie, and the valet, we have to trace it. exactly. so why does this president downplay testing and tracing when he's having it done more than ever around him? why is he saying that tracing isn't necessary and that thing is just going to go away, when everything that is happening around him shows the truth? and by the way, he's not 100% safe from this. doesn't want to wear masks, not letting other people to protect him from exposure. take that to our chief doctor, sanjay gupta. first things first, we only have one president, okay, and if people around you are getting cases, which let's be honest, it's neftsable the way this thing spreads, what has to be done for him, whether he likes it or not?

>> so testing is important. obviously been a lot of discussion about it, but point you're making, correct point, obviously rather not get the infection in the first place. nobody wants it. he's in his 70s, more vulnerable to have serious sickness if he does get infected. you don't want to get this, and that involves protecting him like you protect anybody else. challenge about the white house, it's hard to maintain physical distance over there, people are in close proximity. i've been there. you've been there. you see how close people are. closer you are without protection is a problem. testing, yes, but the mask thing, chris, it is not perfect but we do everything we can to mitigate the spread, to decrease the amount of the virus you're putting in the environment, and so people around the president should have masks on. this is like the secret service. i asked the ambassador about

this. the secret service is there to protect the president and who is protecting him from the virus? and who is protecting him from everyone else for that matter? >> does he have to have a mask on? he had it on backstage he said, couldn't wear it around the elderly veterans because it was blowing off. what is the reality of what we need there? >> guidance is should be wearing a mask in proximity of people where you can't physically distance. that's it. frankly we're getting into a situation now where people probably want to wear masks in public, period. it's a very contagious virus. we are still, you know, having many people who become infected, obviously, and we need to do everything we can to try and slow down the spread. this is all i can say. people are going to say, well, i was 6 1/2 feet away, trying to find loopholes, we can do that. remember a conversation with you a couple of months ago, people saying it's okay to be running in close proximity to people on

the embarcadero, that's fine. because it says exercise outside but they weren't keeping physical distance. now seems silly to have done that. three weeks from now idea we're arguing about hair salons and wearing masks is going to seem silly. we're focusing on the trivial aspects. wear a mask, people should get tested, we should contain this virus, all of that stuff is true, and will remain true, we're just not doing some of the stuff that we can do. >> here is the thing that bothers me. the mask thing, you are right. i'll give people a little bit of space and a little bit of a learning curve because we've been all over the place with masks. there's confusion, they'll get up to speed. here's what i can't accept, okay? this president, going contrary to fact and common sense from jump about testing. only reason he doesn't like testing is it reveals the truth of a situation he wants to go away. more we test, more we see it's not going away.

that there is no database sis for reopening right now, other than his enthusiasm. . and reality of it, sanjay, i don't usually talk politics with you, but reality is look at what they're doing in the white house, if testing doesn't mean a damned thing, why are they testing the hell out of everybody every day? if tracing is over, is hyper reactive, then why are they tracing so much with their two cases? why are they acting in exact way that people like you are asking them to react to the entire country? >> they're doing it because it's right thing to do now. they know they need to test. they know they need to trace. everybody knows. medical community is not one voice on everything but so far most of the stuff with testing and tracing, speaking with one voice. maybe say exact number of tests, some suggest 1 million a day, others 500,000 a day, but fact is we need to test and trace.

and if the point is we want to ultimately bring down number of the cases, that's what it takes. it might expose that there are more cases than we realize in the beginning but that might also show us that maybe the lethality rate, is lower as well. lot of people carrying the virus not getting sick is important data and might be calming data, it may bring down the fatality rate in this country. but the way to really bring the numbers down ultimately is to test. to test and to trace and hopefully treat. >> it's a quick argument to win. any of you saying i'm not fair to the president, he means what he says, it's going to go away, right now that's what he should be saying, i'm not going to get tested every day, it's going to go away, it's not big deal. we're not going to trace and test, it's okay. it's all right. he's not doing all of that. he's taking the advice. to do all of the testing and all of the tracing. when it comes to him, he's

acting in way he doesn't when it comes to you. ask you something medical in nature. kawasaki syndrome seemed to be esoteric thing popping up a little bit, don't really know if it's related. now there are more kids getting sick. is this just us paying more attention to kawasaki syndrome or do we believe there is a reason to see some type of overlap with this virus? >> yeah, it's a good question, chris. you always do worry about observer bias in a situation like this when everything is covid, then everything must be related to covid, could be the situation here but it's looking more suspicious. because there were 15 kids. your brother was talking about 73 children who had some form of this inflammatory disease. kawasaki's is inflammatory disease of many different systems of the body, primarily

blood vessels, including around the heart, coronary blood vessels, i think we have some pictures of the rash that people develop. but nevertheless, in the first series of 15 patients, four of the children did having a tive virus, the diagnostic tests came back positive. six had antibodies to the virus, so 10 of the 15 had some relationship to covid disease. five didn't seem to have it. did they miss it, false negative? you don't know, testing is not perfect here, but the idea that this disease, even in its aftermath, even in its recovery phase, chris, which you know about, could still be lingering in some way, could still be causing inflammation, that's something we need to know and figure out. whether the kids need to be treated with some sort of anti-inflammatory, not aspirin, by the way, most parents know that. but some kind of antiinflammatory, when to give

it, might it have advantage here, investigators are looking into it. still a very rare thing but do well to keep eye on it. alert went out two weeks ago to all the hospitals in the u.k., said be on the lookout for kawasaki disease, may be related to coronavirus, starting to hear it in the u.s. >> some of this is speculative but they're seeing enough data points that they're going to look at it, that this virus beats you down in a i would that makes you more susceptible to other things. may include with kids who have been somewhat invulnerable to this thank god this disease called kawasaki. we need more data but worth being worried about when you have a five-year-old boy passing away from complications. sanjay, thank you so much for making sense of the situation. god bless you, have a great weekend. >> you too, buddy, take care. big move in california ahead of november's election and it's because of coronavirus. mail-in ballots now available

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of course includes the presidential ballot. now, the way it will work is that they will send ballots to all 20 million-plus voters there. this is an idea that california did not create. just saw a test run in the ohio primary. bring in governor of that key swing state, ohio governor mike dewine, always a pleasure. >> good to see you chris, and can i just say it was a great piece on tracing. people are going to get really familiar with tracing, it's nothing to be afraid of and i think you explained it very well. very important. >> and i won't be your advocate but i will pretend to be so you have culpable deniability, it is not fair to ask you to do it and not give you the money to do it. it is very expensive to get these workers, train them, deploy them, aggregate the data,

make the calls and the follow-up. and to ask states to do it and not give you the money to do it is basically asking you not to do it. i hope that changes. i know you want to cooperate and good relations but it's a tough >> but we can use the money, chris, that congress and the president gave us, the coronavirus money coming at us, and we're going to use that money. we're out hiring people now, health departments are hiring people. so it's important. and we're excited about doing it. we hope to have 800 people in ohio doing this and if it takes more, we're going to get more. >> if they offered you ten times that i'm sure you'd take it. more and faster you get data from people, more confident they are to go out. reopening doesn't restart the economy, people going out, the consumer is what restarts it, not the supply side.

>> you're absolutely right. you have to have confidence. >> we've seen recent polls. >> people have to have confidence. >> in your own local paper, they have the poll out, saying people are really nervous about getting back out there. good reason, not giving them reason not to be worried about it. don't see data, why believe and go out, not going to believe politicians, even a straight shooter like dewine. >> one thing we have done, as we've opened different businesses, we have great protocols and able to assure people we've come up with best protocols based on what science said, the health community says and business people actually doing it, the professionals. but it is a matter of confidence and people have to feel confident or won't get a haircut or go to the restaurant or whatever it is.

no doubt about it, confidence. >> looking at what you did in the primary from balloting perspective. there are criticisms, some things to be done sooner, getting everybody a ballot, giving option to go online and keep it secure, but overall do you believe for november you can approach something like all mail-in situation or enough so that anyone who doesn't want to go in person would be able to exercise their franchise? >> good thing about ohio law in regards to coronavirus, people have four weeks to vote, can go absentee, don't have to give a reason, just want absentee ballot. also can go certain days to board of elections, and even the weekend before they can go in. so it will have the ability to spread it out. anybody can be at home and know during that whole period of time, if i send application in, i can get a ballot, never have to leave my home.

we hope we'll have that four-week period of time, then the regular election, 13 hours in ohio to go vote. we think we're in pretty good shape as we move to the november election. >> we'll have to see what it looks like as we go closer, the safeguards and optionality for people. we'll keep talking about it, good dialogue to have. one of the silver linings with this is i have rapport with governors i wouldn't ordinarily have. as people know, media isn't your friend, it matters that people know you can come on the show and talk about things, not get head chopped off. win of, one of the things that is coming up in ohio about reopening, you're doing message about masking, you got pushback, as we talked about on the show, you made some accommodations for that. there is a new concern that the state, and i want you to be able to respond to this, gov, the state is encouraging companies to report workers who don't return so we can kick them off

unemployment. is that what you're asking? >> not quite like that. it's a law that's been in ohio for a long time. if somebody gets unemployment and then you call them back to work and if they don't come back to work, they can lose their unemployment. >> that's a malingering law. >> i don't know about that, it's most states have it. >> right for malingerers, people who can work but don't, and so they are not on the public dole because they could be working but isn't this different? >> it's an old term. >> i'm an old guy. but worried about virus and don't want to go back to work, don't you want an accommodation given the special circumstances? >> we've certainly asked employers to take it into consideration. if someone is afraid to go back

to work, no one should be going in to work. one of the things we have in place, 113 health departments and we've made it clear if you don't think your place of work is safe, should be reporting it to the health department. i can tell you, people have done that in the past, and we encourage them to do it in the future. we have come up with some very, very tough, not guidelines, but mandates for businesses. every employee is supposed to wear a mask. my wife fran made that for me, i wore it. >> let me see it. wife made it and half a second on television? come on. there you go. very nice, well done. i like that it's two-sided. how do you make sure it works fair for both sides? i get called back to work, don't want to go, hear bad things about it, show up, things not

done right way. now they report me and unemployment is cut. unless i know the system well enough to get ahead of it, how do you protect a worker from being acted on by employer unfairly? you said they can say it was unsafe but once you have your money pulled you're at a disadvantage as a worker. how do you protect them in this situation? >> i think we have to watch that. look, most employers want a safe place because they want to attract employees to come. if people don't think it's safe, they're not going to come. but by having the ability in ohio for someone to call in and make a report, can be anonymous report to the local health department, so that employee could call in, they wouldn't have to say who they are, and our health departments will go out and we will inspect. it's so important that people feel safe and that they actually be safe at work.

these are people who are doing it every single day. so you make an interesting point but i think that the system that we have in place does in fact work and will work. >> i don't have any reason to question it, just saying the deference should be on the side of the worker but they don't have the power of what the employer does, especially if reporting them gets their money pulled and there is no real appellate system that works, they'll be in the hole as soon as somebody drops the dime on them. house republicans are trying to limit orders issued by ohio department of health to 14 days legislative approval for any extension. you're a brilliant example of keeping politics out of health policy so far in your state. why allow politicians to decide anything about what a health department does? >> i've got a great health director, as you know, dr. amy acton, followed her advice and pulled in every expert we could find to make those decisions.

but chris i've made it very clear, and we've had protester at her house, and we've had people who are upset, and i've said to the protesters, look, the buck stops with me, i'm the governor, i'm making the decisions. leave my health director alone and come out against me, complain about me, don't go after her. what the house of representatives did i think was a mistake. and i've made it very clear if that bill ever got to my desk i would veto that. this -- >> people playing politics. you have a beautiful mask your wife made, and i know why you're wearing it, being example, not easy but leading the way even not popular. i tried to have this guy and give him fair hearing, bagged out last second. nino vitale, not going to wear a

mask because made in jesus' image and he didn't have one, is that who you want to control health department policy? >> he has a right to say that -- >> doesn't make it right he said it. >> what we're trying to do is explain to people, and you've made it clear on your show and we try to do it every press conference, when you wear this, not wearing it for yourself but other person. if we all do that, going to add an extra layer of protection. we're going back to work in ohio and across the country. and so our risk is up. it's a fact. when we start intermixing more and doing more things. so it's so very important, much more important than it was before, to keep the social distancing, wear that mask to protect that other person. if we do those things, we're

going to bring the economy back. and we're going to be also able to protect people. but we have to do it. it's more important today that we do it than it was two weeks ago when we weren't starting back and opening things up in ohio. that's my message to ohio viewers, this is important. >> look, also, governor, your mandate has been expanded. you're one of the governors risen to the top as a national leader on this. my audience is not ohio specific. >> i know. >> people watching you all over the country and world because thus far you've done the job of balancing -- haven't made it binary, go back to work or stay healthy. you're fighting hard to find ways to go back to work while balancing public health and my job obviously is make sure that continues, and i appreciate you using this platform to make the case for what you're doing in your state, governor mike dewine, wish you good health, best to your wife and family. thank you.

>> you as well. thank you chris, very much. >> be well. other big story of this night, today should have been ahmaud arbery's 26th birthday. instead his family and nation are now watching as white father and son face murder charges in shooting death of unarmed black jogger. that is the key word, jogger. i know black is also a key word but facts here. you know what arbery's father calls this shooting? lynching. strong word, especially for african-american to use. why? marcus arbery on the day that should be his son's birthday joins us next.

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arbery's 26th birthday. to celebrate him, people across the world took to the pavement to run 2.23 miles because killed on february 23rd. last night, just after we got word of the arrest of the father and son in the shooting, gregory and travis mcmichael, i spoke with ahmaud's sister jasmine to share memories of her brother. tonight, i'm joined by ahmaud's father, marcus, and family attorney, who i know very well, counselor benjamin crump. always good to see you. mr. arbery, sorry to meet you under these circumstances. won't take up a lot of your time, plenty of time to talk, a lot ahead of us in this situation, but what do you want people to know about your son and what this means to you? >> i want people to know he was a very good young man, loved

people. i want people to remember him as a good-hearted young man. and he's the type of young man, if he had one dollar, and you need that one dollar, he would give it to you. that's just how good his heart was. and i would see him work the whole week, 40 hours, and if you need the check, ehe'd give it to you. working, he would give you the whole check. but that's how good heart he had. everybody loved him. if you known him, see he was remarkable, good young man and see him get lynched like that but a racial mob like that, it's just devastating to our family. >> these are heavy words for you to use. why do you see it as a lynching by a racial mob? >> when you come at a young man, jump on the back of a pickup

truck with a pump shot gun and .357 magnum in a pickup truck and follow him like an animal and gun him down like an animal when he's running, trying to avoid y'all, he just tried to stay out of the way, y'all kept on pursuing him and blocking him in with that truck. and he didn't have no chance, all he did was try to defend himself, no win. three men with guns, unarmed black, african-american man, didn't give him no chance. color of his skin, just, just racist hatred, that's no place for that. that's just got to get from around here. that's why i want these men to

stay in jail. don't want them bond out, want them to get life sentences. we just don't believe in killing, just want them to suffer how my family is suffering. want them to see my son's face everybody day they do time, i want them to see his face and i want them to suffer hard because i just don't believe in no death, just want you to stay locked up. so these men don't get back out and kill nobody again. >> it's interesting degree of mercy when you're feeling your worst, even now don't want death for men who did this, just want them to be punished. look, the only right way to do this is, i understand how you feel, i want to talk to benjamin about some of the legal aspects of this early on because it is not fair for you to have to deal with it, mr. arbery, ben, you know what's going to happen, the defense here is going to be, this kid is not who he is being

made out to be. he was running away. he was running away from the scene of a crime, and maybe even one of these guys knew him from an earlier case against him that was referred to in a recusal letter from this guy, barnhill, who was one of the prosecutors who recused himself. what do you make of the first set of allegations? running away, leaving scene of a crime, knew him from earlier case? >> chris, we've been here before, whether trayvon martin or tamir rice or other cases that were just unjustifiable and unnecessary deaths. and when you think about when they kill our children, they then try to assassinate their character. and i know that that's what they're going to try to do with ahmaud arbery, but the truth of the matter is, he has objective evidence. we have the 911 tape, when he

was asked, what is he doing wrong, they never answered because he wasn't doing anything wrong, he was simply jogging, chris, and the fact that we have that video, that video that you cannot unsee once you see this lynching in 2020, not 1920, chris, but 2020, and the fact that it took 74 days for them to arrest these killers even though they had the video evidence. i want to be clear for the record, chris cuomo, it wasn't because they saw the video, law authorities that made them arrest the killers, it was because we the people saw the video and made them arrest the killers. we the people refused to remain silent once we saw unbelievable lynching of a young black man in america in 2020. >> right. i hear you about it, the tape, fact they've had it, video is

damning. i know you heard me last night say to jasmine, ahmaud's sister i'm sorry it took me this long to get on it, should have known better with all the experience we have and other cases. i'm going to look at case forensically. because the only way to get justice is to give the benefit of everything that is brought up and i'm not doing that in front of m arbery's father. i'm sorry for your pain, hope justice is served. ben, i'm always a call away with what happens in this case. we will not leave it until it meets its resolution. i promise. >> thank you so much, chris. >> and again, mr. arbery, my best to the family if we can help. i want to talk about the legal aspects. i'm not doing it in front of his father, all right? we have the best, laura cotes, she knows the prosecution side of this, laura, you play the prosecutor and i will push up

what we are going to hear and to repeat a little of it, real quickly, people, yes there is a private citizen, to make an arrest law in georgia. you have to witness a crime, be able to do it safely, cannot use force in detaining somebody. let alone unnecessary force. they don't have a defense under that law. stand your ground also in place in georgia. don't get to start altercation repeatedly the way they did and rely on stand your ground. just for you saying that online, you're not lawyers or not getting a law degree. laura, first pushback. we know this guy, one of us had something to do with case before on him, he was described to us as somebody who would have been part of some criminal spree in our area, and when we came up on him just to ask him questions, he ran. >> you actually have no right to believe you can usurp the role of police.ll to

make, 911. the fact that one of them was a former investigator, a former police officer, chris, i ask you, i'm a former prosecutor, does that mean i can walk into any courtroom in america and indictment someone because i think i know what the case is about? no, there are proper channels to pursue. everybody member of law enforcement should look at this case and say if you believe there is somebody that requires police attention, call three numbers, easiest thing to learn. and you mentioned two things i want to highlight here. one is yes, there is a citizen's arrest law in georgia but you have to actually have witnessed the crime or have immediate knowledge, not that you think the other day you may have seen somebody who matched a description, may have put his hand down his pants a few days ago, may have been a gun missing a couple of months ago, no way to tie this person yet pursue

with a shot gun trying to cut him off, jogging down the middle of the street 1:00 in the afternoon and you believe you have every right to stop him. yes there's a citizens arrest law but you're turning people over to the police, and by the way, someone confronted in this way after being hunted down has no requirement to stop for you. the idea of having to stop for a police officer requires that, a police officer. if you don't have that, every person decides they can do the law better, be part of the wild west, be sheriff of these here parts, badge or not, would be able to stop anyone for any reason, detain for however long they think is necessary, akin to kidnapping and false imprison in the and then decide whether the person's response has satisfied them. that can't stand. >> and 911 call, what did he do, they don't have good answer. why did this take so long, i take crump's position, tape

being seen by you and me and media and going to governor kemp, what the hell, we need answers, i think that changed the calculus. this guy barnhill, who wrote a letter recusing himself had the right move. he said there is video of arbery burglarizing a home immediately preceding the chase and confrontation, that's not true. there's video of him entering a construction site. not taking anything. and walking out. almost like an attractive nuisance situation where you go in there and look and there is a dock and you walk down to the dock, and i know you're not supposed to be there, i know it's trespassing but if that's best thing they have, why did barnhill characterize it that way when any cursory investigation would show that's bs reckoning, and what does it tell you about the disposition of how the police and authorities apparently took this situation from jump? >> no. really the first issue here, why is a prosecutor who has recused himself offering any statement

whatsoever about a case? if you've recused yourself on conflict of interest perceived or relayed to you, you should not be commenting on the case. >> fair point. >> the very notion or reason we have recusals is you are perceived as inherently biased and cannot be an objective messenger of the facts or relayer of any information. for him to lay out what he believes to be facts of the case having recused himself is poisoning the well and potential jury pool and inserting himself in a way that really undermines the overall credibility and objectivity of the office which is already in question. one of the things to keep in mind here is not just the delay, people thinking we can't hold a grand jury, laura, you got the stay-at-home order in place. it is until june 12th in georgia. this happened february 23rd, there wasn't a stay-at-home order until april. what transpired february to

april is clear moment you say what were the tactics and decisions. >> nothing. >> exactly. they had time to make a letter by a recused prosecutor who had no business inserting himself. similar to people who have no business making a citizens arrest when 911 was an available option. >> laura coates, thanks for putting the mind to this matter. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you. great asset to have. sean penn is here tonight. he has a relief organization. not a known face fronting for psa, not that there's anything wrong with that. but he's got an organization helping tens of thousands of americans and making jobs of the first responders easier. haven't seen anything like it happening anywhere else and can be put anywhere in the country. he is our ameri-can tonight. we'll get after it with sean penn, next. when the world gets complicated, a lot goes through your mind. with fidelity wealth management, your dedicated adviser can give you straightforward advice and tailored recommendations.

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>> i was finally in the city for when they do the cheer. i'm taking a shower. i start to hear all of this noise outside. i realize what it is. >> did you hear me? >> i start cheering for them and recording it while i'm doing it. i had my thumb over it. >> i wish you would have busted your you know what. i wasn't sure i was on. i said is that him? >> i was so pumped up. the whole block. everybody was at their windows. it was such a cool thing to see and be part of it. i was terrible at shooting it. what an amazing thing to witness firsthand. the whole place came alive for them. there are so many hospitals. >> it is amazing to be there at 7:00. i am glad there were no reflective surfaces to see you.

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