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and send us an email. special coverage continuing now with jake tapper. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. >> and welcome to t"the lead," i'm jake tapper. the president is going to project confidence that he's in control of this coronavirus crisis and that the country is ready to reopen. he's attempting at the same time that it is not clear that he could even keep the coronavirus out of his own workplace. three top health officials on the coronavirus task force, the top infectious disease expert dr. fauci and dr. hahn, head of fda and dr. redfield, head of the cdc, they are all in some state of self-quarantine after coming into contact with two white house staffers who have been infected with the virus and tested positive. iowa governor kim reynolds said she will follow a modify the
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quarantine after she visited the white house last week. it is difficult to see but this is vice president pence arriving at the white house today. he was not wearing a mask. a spokesperson for the vice president said pence will not be in quarantine despite the fact that a different spokesperson for the vice president katie miller is one of the two white house officials who tested positive for the virus. that is miller in this photo. you could see right now from thursday. this is at a virginia retirement home from before she tested positive. she is the only one in the picture not wearing a mask. a source tells cnn that the president has been expressing worry that these infections in his white house undermine the message that the pandemic is under control and states should reopen. those white house cases are just a small part, of course, of the more than 1.3 million who have tested positive in this country and at this hour there are 79,894 deaths due to coronavirus
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in the united states. kaitlan collins joins me now live from the white house. and we're already beginning to see changes at the white house today. what are you learning about the vice president's call with governors? >> reporter: so this is the only thing on the vice president's schedule today, of course after his office said he was not going to be quarantining and still here at work today. but typically the calls are done in a conference room and the other members of the force come with him including dr. birx, several of those that you pointed out are quarantining after coming into contact with his press secretary but today we're told that the vice president was on the call via video, he was in a separate room, dr. birx was on the call but also in a room bry herself as well and while a few staffers came in during the calls into the rooms, we're told they were not hanging out in there. they were wearing masks, the people that you saw entering the room. though the vice president wasn't. but dr. birx was wearing a mask. so it is notable. they are separating them and in their own room, one is wearing a
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mask and one is not and that is notable because that is not what they were doing last weeks during these calls. so you get a sense there is a heightened level of concern at the white house now that two people who work closely to the president and vice president have now tested positive for coronavirus. and one thing we should know they're doing is contact tracing through the weekend figuring out all of the staffers that katie miller came in contact with to figure out who could potentially have this and what they are looking for because she was not only here at the white house in the coronavirus meetings, she also went to camp david with the president the weekend before that. so there is a lot of concern about what that possible exposure could be. >> and kaitlan, there is any video out showing food executives removing masks before a meeting with vice president pence last week. do we have any idea why they removed their masks. >> this is a round table last friday hours after we found out
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that his press secretary tested positive and they had to get a few stappers off the plane before he finished the trip in case they made contact with his press secretary and here you could see the executives were all wearing masks before the vice president got there and then you see the unidentified staffer come in and we can't hear what she said but she signaled it is okay to remove their mask and the vice president comes in and they have a round table with none of them wearing masks. now a source close to this said because they were seated six feet apart and therefore they did not need to wear a mask. you can't tell how far apart the people on the side is, you don't get a good image of that. but it goes to show the lengths this staffer was going to who was there we should note on behalf of the administration telling people already wearing masks that they didn't need to wear them. >> kaitlan collins at the white house. thanks so much. i want to bring in gloria borger now. and correspondent abby phillip. abby, let mez start with you.
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sources tell cnn that the frez is expressing frustration that two staffers contracted coronavirus and it undercuts his message about it being safe to reopen, what do you expect president trump will say at this briefing scheduled for 4:00? >> well, jake, this briefing is supposed to question about the issue of testing and the president has made it clear he doesn't think that some of the projections about how much testing needs to happen in this country on a daily basis is really what needs to happen. he thinks potentially that the united states is already doing pretty well when it comes to testing. but i think one of the things that this incident in the white house really illustrates is that even in a place where testing is widespread and happening on a really regular basis, there is still transmission happening on the white house grounds. and he's going to have to answer some questions about how he gets to a place where people are comfortable going back to work and in stores and indoor places with each other if testing is
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not more widely available. and the u.s. has gotten a lot better but this but more needs to happen. i expect as we often hear a lot of happy talk from the president but there are a lot of serious answers that the public needs about how we get to a better place so we don't see, frankly, what we're seeing happening in the white house compound in a place with people are getting tested on a weekly and daily basis. >> and gloria, as of right now dr. fauci, the head of the cdc dr. robert redfield and the head of the fda dr. steven hahn are in some version of the self-quarantine because of possible exposure to coronavirus at the white house and still president trump refuses to follow the guidelines. he doesn't wear a mask or social distance. why not set an example? >> well, because that is not the example he wants to set. the example he wants to set, and i think we're going to hear a lot of that later this afternoon, is everything is
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fine. we're going back to normal. things will be okay. he doesn't want to appear in a mask because he thinks that public will say, well, wait a matt, if you're in a mask, why are you things okay. and i think the problem that the president has been having is that what is going on in the white house contradicts that very message. he's been tweeting over the weekend for example about how democrats want to drag out the reopening because of politics. well lots of governors want to drag out reopening so they don't endanger people's lives but that is not the message. the message is get back to normal. we have to reopen the country, and everything needs to look normal at the white house so you could know that it is normal in your community as well. >> okay. but, i mean, what about all of the dead people? >> well that's right, of course. you didn't hear the president --
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you don't hear the president talking about that a lot, jake, do you? at the beginning of this heard the president talk about the terrible toll this is taken in the country, for people who have gotten the virus and people who have died from the virus. but you're not hearing that a lot now. >> abby, white house economic adviser kevin hassett told me yesterday that he knows he's putting himself at risk by continuing to go into the white house to work. take a listen. >> i knew when i was going back in that i would be taking risks that i'd be safer sitting at home at my house, than going into a west wing with all of the testing in the world and the best medical team on earth is a relatively cramped place. >> abby, this is something that i think people at home might not understand and you know because you cover the white house, explain to our viewers how tight the working conditions are inside the west wing and how quickly a case would be able to
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spread. >> yeah, relatively cramp spaces is an understatement for what the west wing is. the white house is a large compound but the west wing is very small. you have a lot of people working in a small -- a very small place. the hallways are tight. people are sharing offices. and then on top of that you had a white house where things were basically business as usual. it has been really surprising for me to see the white house continuing to insist on in-person meetings where people are coming from all over the country to sit in the oval office with the president and even while the rest of the country has moved largely to a teleworking situation where people are conducting meetings virtually. there has been a sense that almost nothing has changed in terms of the day-to-day in the white house and when you have so many people working in those tight quarters, hallways where two people can't walk past in the same hallway without brushing shoulders, that is really a recipe for the kind of
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transmission that is really problematic and if you were a staffer working in that white house and if you, for example, like some staffers do, are sitting shoulder to shoulder is wur colleagues in these open floor plan office spaces, it is impossible to socially distance in those kind of environments, especially if people are not wearing masks and we know now that is starting to change but this is been going on for weeks now where the white house has been operating basically with business as usual and that is one of the reasons we're seeing them suddenly scrambling to control an outbreak in that compound. >> and we're getting word there is a new memo that went out to white house staffers instructing them to wear masks when they go into the white house. and gloria, this is the rub, they do at the white house, surveillance testing and contact tracing what the health experts say need to be done all over the country and they at the white house can't keep this from
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spreading inside, what kind of luck are the rest of us going to have when we all go back to work? >> and that is the lesson. you look at this and say, wait a minute, they have testing available to them that we don't have available to us. that most people in the country don't. and yet they are not immune from this virus spreading. and what -- as we look at the white house we have to say, wait a minute, this could spread no matter what, no matter who you are, no matter where you are, no matter how many times you've been tested, if you are tested the day after, one may be a negative, another one might be a positive and yet on the other hand you have the president coming out and saying, let's reopen the country, we have enough tests. the question is, do we have enough tests, to the governors believe they have enough tests and in most cases the answer is absolutely now. >> gloria and abby, thank you so much.
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we'll check back with you after president trump speaks. coming up, a new mystery illness hitting children that could be linked to the coronavirus. we'll talk to a health expert about that. plus an outbreak of coronavirus tieing back to a nightclub in one city after the nightclubs attempted to reopen. that story is ahead. stay with us. when you shop with wayfair, you spend less
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medicine at new york presbyterian hospital and over saw the treatment of two dozen of the patients. thank you so much for joining us for this awful subject. certainly when you look at the number of cases, it appeared children were getting sick from coronavirus in much lower numbers but could it be that it is just presenting as just a different kind of illness? >> well, what we think is happening is that you're exactly right, certainly the acute coronavirus infection did -- does affect children much less, meaning unless they have serious underlying medical conditions they don't seem to get sick from it. what we're seeing now is not serious underlying medical conditions but kids without a lot of issues but have been exposed to the coronavirus sometime in the past. we think sometime, somewhere between 3 and 6 weeks previous to when they are presenting now. >> and you're hospital has seen
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about two dozen of the children with the mystery illness. you call is pediatric multi-system inflammatory syndrome and how do you make the connection to the coronavirus? >> and apologize for the name. we don't call it that but that is what people have adopted. what we first started seeing about two weeks ago were children who came in in what we call the generalized inflammatory state manifest by high fever and a body rash and they appeared ill and often times have cracked lips and injection of the eyes and high heart rate and blood pressure and bring them into the icu and give them iv and medications to help their heart rate or their heart work better, and then see how they recovered. how we made the association with coronavirus was that initially and even now less than half of the kids we see with this are testing positive for the
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coronavirus itself. meaning the pcr test that detects rna from the virus is oftentimes negative. but now that we can do rapid antibody testing testing we know that all of the children we've seen have been exposed to the coronavirus, it is just sometime after they've been acutely infected. >> a new study found 48 children with covid-19 who had been admitted to pediatric intensive care units, 23% of them had a failure of two or more organ symptoms and have you seen similar findings in children with this illness? >> what we're not seeing is a lot of lung disease. in adults pneumonia and something we call ards, bad respiratory failure is what seems to be the cause of them going into the hospital and what they typically die from.
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in children it seems to be different. meaning it is more of a systemic problem and in turn affects how well the heart functions. so, yes, all organ systems could be involved and we've seen many of them but typically not the lungs. >> is there evidence coronavirus spread in the same households of the children with this mysterious illness? >> yes, there is. meaning that typically when you get a history from the family, somebody either had suspected or confirmed coronavirus infection, often times a parent or older adult in the household several weeks beforehand. what we're not seek is that this manifestation of coronavirus, it doesn't seem to be appearing in siblings, so that brothers and sisters aren't getting it, maybe one kid out of the family. we still believe even though we have seen two or three dozen
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cases at our hospital we still think gib the number of children exposed to coronavirus it remains a rare complication. >> so this illness seems to be affecting mostly children under the age of 5. why do you think that is? >> well, that is not been our experience. so we've really see children of all ages -- >> okay. >> -- yeah, some up to five but up into their teens. >> okay. dr. steven kerney, thank you so much. best of luck battling this cruel new twist on this disease. a new warning from the health organization calling one coronavirus mitigation theory dangerous. that's next. in the healthcare community, working to care for all of us. at novartis, we promise to do our part. as always, we're doing everything we can to help keep cosentyx accessible and affordable. if you have any questions at all, call us, email us, visit us online. we're here to help support you when you need us.
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a dramatic warning from the world health organization today. the concept of herd immune its the world health organization said is dangerous and the organization warns the recovery for many patients could be a very, very long and painful road. i want to bring in senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen. the idea of herd immunity is a
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degree of immunity in the future and what is the concern from the w.h.o. >> herd immunity in and of itself is a good thing iffa chief with a vaccine. that is what we've done for example with measles in this country. we have herd immunity because most of us have had measles were or vaccinated. the only way for herd immunity is for the vast majority of the population to get infected which means you're going to have many, many deaths. so what the w.h.o. is trying to say is don't think oh, we'll just let everyone get infected and it will be great and we'll have herd immunity, you'll have many, many dead people. and they said this is not the way to do it. this is the w.h.o.'s way of saying keep doing all of these mitigation, all of these stay-at-home measures so we could hold out until we have a vaccine or at least better treatments. >> and elizabeth, the world health organization warned about
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these long-term issues for recovering patients. tell us more about that. >> right. i think sometimes people think when you get over an infection and say you've been in the hospital, you're discharged and you waltz out of there and you're mind and that is not the case with this virus. what they're finding is that people have lingering heart problems, they have lingering respiratory problems. i know that i've spoken with people who have been recovering for a month or two from this virus and they are still very weak, finding it difficult for example just to get up a flight of stairs. this is a very serious infection and even once you're out of the hospital, once you're no longer technically infected you could still feel quite ill. >> and the w.h.o. also said there is an alarming number of health care workers who have become infected and that most of the world remains susceptible to this virus. >> right. sometimes people think oh, this is going on for a while and
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there must be many people who have this. not really. when they look for people looking for antibodies only a very small percentage of the population is infected and that is why we're nowhere near herd immunity and many around the world have become infected and there hasn't been enough protective gear at least in the united states, that situation is improving but really the health care workers are heroes, they are risking their life when they take care of coronavirus patients. >> elizabeth cohen, thank you so much. the south dakota governor is threatening legal action against two native american tribes over covid checkpoints that the tribes have set up an sioux land. governor christy neom ordered that the checkpoints be removed but they are fighting back saying they are essential to saving lives. as the community is ravaged by the pandemic.
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sara sidner joins me now. and the governor's argument boils down to traffic concerns, right? >> reporter: traffic concerns and whether supplies for example could get there and medical personnel could get there. the tribe said of course we're going to let trucks through. we've been watching them just wave people through but someone pulls up to the checkpoint, a couple of people from the nation go up to them and say where have you been and ask for information and whether or not they have symptoms, whether they have fever and if this is really about contact tracing, jake. because what they don't want to happen is they have an explosion of cases in and on the reservation. why is that? for about 12,000 residents here there are only eight available hospital beds at the hospital here and there is no icu. so the closest icu, the closest hospital that has all of the things you need for someone with a severe case of covid-19 is about three hours away. we talked to the chairman of the
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shien river sioux tribe and he told us, look, we're in dire straits if this gets into our community and starts spreading fast. >> on behalf of our people, we have to maintain them checkpoints and continue to do the things that we're doing until it is safe. >> you're going to keep those checkpoints. >> yes. >> no matter what the governor or the state tries to do. >> no matter what. >> no matter what he said. even if they are taken to court or something more. he said he and the tribe are going to stand firm on this because they feel that they are simply protecting their people and they don't expect that if they do get hit that they're going to get a whole lot of help from anywhere else either, jake. >> and sarah, this battle is ramping up as we learn how badly the pandemic is hitting. native american tribes across the country. >> yeah, here it is interesting.
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they only have one case, they were able to track it right here at a checkpoint. but, and you're seeing the checkpoint in action behind me, but the navajo nation having a much more difficult time. they are really being hit hard. they have one of the highest cases per capita in the nation, more than many other states. and to deal with this sort of thing when you don't have the resources, we've seen what has happened for example in new york and imagine a scenario similar to that in a place where you have very few resources, you just simply get overwhelmed very quickly, doctors without borders are now going into the navajo nation trying to help them out, jake. >> sara sidner in south dakota, thank you so much. and we should note, did ask south dakota governor noem to come on the air to discuss this issue and her office did not respond to our request. you may have seen this image after it went viral over the weekend. it is united airlines flight
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packed with passengers. the company said the jet was more full because of the volunteer medical staff on board. just one example of crowded gatherings happening as the nation begins to reopen. cnn's erica hill is in the virus epicenter in new york city. there are still 20,000 new cases of coronavirus a day in the united states. >> reporter: and that is what we keep hearing from officials here in new york as we hear daily from governor cuomo and reminder that while numbers may be going down and phased reopening is beginning across the country and even soon here in new york state, the virus is not gone. the virus dictates the timeline and the virus will be here for some time. you mentioned that united flight, dr. ethan weiss posting a picture, a number of one of health care professionals returning to california, after volunteering here in new york and troubled when he saw how many people were on the flight and noting people were scared and shocked. united in a statement said in a
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response they've overhauled the cleaning and safety procedures and implemented a boarding and deplaning process for social distancing and noting that flight to san francisco as you pointed out has an additional 25 medical professionals on board flying for free to volunteer for their time in new york. the doctor did thank united for what it was doing for the folks on board and for flying health care professionals across the country but he didn't plan to be flying any time soon. >> and the death toll in the united states in the next few minutes is going to surpass 80,000. one in three of the deaths is a nursing home resident or worker, according to a "new york times" analysis. >> reporter: yeah, that is right. the "new york times" crunched their own data base and they found that while i believe it is 11% of the cases, i'm checking my numbers, in the country, have happened in long-term care facilities. as you point out it is one in
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three of deaths. we saw the cluster outside of seattle at the life care center facility there and issues at nursing homes across the country, in new jersey the governor brought the national guard into veteran homes and issues in massachusetts as well as concern grows about the most vulnerable people in our communities, jake. >> and erica, new york governor andrew cuomo said that the state could intelligently prepare for reopening coming up on friday. what does he say that will or should look like? >> reporter: so it will -- for parts of the state, parts of the state will be able to open everything on friday. so don't get too excited. but there is low risk businesses and recreational activities. so starting friday may 5th, landscaping, gardening and low-risk recreation like tennis and drive-in movie theaters okay
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across the country but only certain regions could open. three up states will be allowed, like construction and manufacturing and curbside retail and two other reasons that the governor said met six of the seven metrics and they could be ready at the end of the week. as for any steps beyond that, all that will depend on each region and it is a step by step approach because no one wants to go backyard. >> erica hill in new york. thank you so much. coming up it was billed as desperately needed help for small businesses but many businesses are now calling it a nightmare. we'll explain why, next. they are compelled to step forward.
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small businesses are complaining that there is a major problem with the big rescue package. 75% of the money given out has to go to payroll but some small business owners want the money to pay bills. the treasury secretary said it is up to congress to change that rule. >> they do know how to execute on it and it is working great. if congress wants to change that rule, i'm happy to work with congress if there is bipartisan support to do that. >> cnn's phil mattingly talked to some small business owners about the strings attached to the ppp money and how it is hard to use. phil. >> reporter: the government small business rescue program
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was a dream lifeline for business owners. >> i think they did the right thing. >> reporter: but for some ravaged by the pandemic like lori hamill who owns health clubs in massachusetts and utah, it has become a nightmare. >> we're in a situation where we find out that we don't have the ability to spend 75% of what we got from the ppp. >> reporter: after a rocky rollout, the program has kicked into gear. more than 4.2 million loans, more than $500 billion to save small businesses all of which could be forgiven if certain rules are followed but the rules that 75% of the funds must be used on payroll, 25% for things like rent and utilities and all within eight weeks have become a dramatic problem. with businesses like hamill's still unable to open on state's orders and many of their furloughed workers making more money from enhanced unemployment insurance. >> i'm not paying people money for not coming to work, because
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if the business isn't around then they're not helped. >> reporter: and the business saving program has created another desperate moment. the inspector general said tens of thousands of borrowers won't have loans forgiven due to the rules. >> it is gigantic pothole and it is dark and you no idea how deep it is or how long and you need to have something to fill that hole. >> reporter: a distributor has watched not just his business but the restaurants it serves struggle with the program rules. >> they're all decimated. and the ppp loan while its intent i think was good, it's not practical for what they do. >> reporter: he contacted todd young with his concerns and he and michael bennet have drafted proposals to try to address the issues. the question now, is it too late? >> what is happened with this kind of a pandemic essentially,
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it's catastrophic what it is doing to our industry and it is going to be really, really hard to come back from if we're not saved. >> reporter: now, jake, the issue is a couple of pieces. the small businesses want the money and utilize the money but with their employees right now often doing better with unemployment insurance they want to wait until they could open up to use that money and given the timeline is only eight weeks with which they could use it, they want that expanded. they also want the opportunity to use the money for things besides payroll. now as treasury secretary muchin said the point of the program was to keep employees on payroll but when you talk to small business owners they say if they're still shut down and can't open the doors and employees are getting money from unemployment benefits, the key is to ensure that when they can open up, there is a business to actually exist to pay employees. that is what they're working on right now and lobbying congress to try and do and there is
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bipartisan for those fixes. the big question right now, jake, will they be able to move anything on capitol hill any time soon to address those issues. >> phil mattingly, thank you so much. tickets for shanghai disneyland completely sold out today after the park reopened for the first time in almost four months. cnn is going to go live to that theme park next. le clouds for your business. when you've got public clouds, and private clouds, and hybrid clouds- things can get a bit cloudy for you. but now, there's the dell technologies cloud, powered by vmware. a single hub for a consistent operating experience across all your clouds. that should clear things up.
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in our world lead, schools across parts of europe are beginning to reopen. in germany the netherlands, switzerland and denmark students are returning to class after months at home and the u.k.
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boris johnson laid out a road map to reopening which includes a 14-day quarentine for visitors to the u.k. fines for those who break the rules. johnson was also criticized by some lawmakers who believe he's sending confusing messages. shanghai's disneyland is open today. tickets have sold out. we should point out the park is limiting visitors so it's only at about 30% capacity. normally the park can hold 80,000 visitors. cnn's david culver is live for us in shanghai at the theme park. david, smaller crowds, obviously. what else is different? >> reporter: it's interesting, jake, how they're selling these tickets. they're doing it through an online reservation system, essentially you have to book a certain time when you're going to show up so they don't have everyone coming together at once at the front gate to go in. they have the 30% cap, that's the government regulation here. we're hearing from disney the
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numbers are far fewer than that, the number of guests they're allowing in. they're trying it over over the next several days to see with the fewer number, how they can actually maintain the social distancing. they're doing it through markings everywhere you go in the park. we walked around, they have these yellow tapes all over the place to tell you where to stand, they have cast members telling people to keep their distance. they have a yellow taped box where you and your family can sit for performances, and the space next to you is taped off. disney says over the next several days they're completely sold out. those numbers, as far as we can tell, will be far fewer than the 30% or the 24,000, roughly, that they anticipate will be the maximum for the foreseeable
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future, jake. >> david culver at shanghai disneyland, thank you so much. south korea has largely been praised for hits response to coronavirus but officials there are increasingly concerned about a new cluster of cases, the highest number of new infections in a month in that country. the world health organization warns there have been spikes in several countries, including south korea, where they've lifted restrictions, an example of the challenges for all of us as we move forward. cnn's paula hancocks joins us from seoul. paula, this cluster seems to be linked to a nightclub? >> reporter: that's right, jake, yes. this is all linked to one 29-year-old man who visited a number of nightclubs in the nightclub district here in seoul back on may 2. he visited a number of them, he then tested positive. and since that time officials say that at least 86 other people have tested positive as well, all linked to this one incident. now, we understand they are
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trying to narrow down exactly who had been in that area over a two-week period. they got 5,500 people they're trying to speak to, that they want to test. they say they've tested more than 3,000 already in a desperate attempt to contain this outbreak. just a few days ago this country was having zero local transmission. so it's very different now. it's already had a knock-on effect, schools were supposed to be reopening in this country from wednesday. it was going to be year three of high school and then a phased reintroduction of other grades. that's now been pushed back a week, and potentially that could be pushed back even further. the seoul city mayor says the next two to three days are going to be critical in order to try and contain this outbreak. and the way south korea does that is they use credit card usage and mobile phone data to make sure they can pinpoint everyone who was in that area,
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jake. >> all right, paula, thank you so much. in minutes, president trump will hold a press conference at the white house. we'll squeeze in a quick break. stay with us. we'll be right back.
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this is cnn breaking news. >> welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. at any moment we expect president trump to hold a press conference in the rose garden of
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the white house as the united states nears yet another grim milestone. we are almost at 80,000 deaths from coronavirus in the u.s. 79,935, to be precise. a month ago at this hour the death toll had just surpassed 20,000. now we're almost 60,000 beyond that. and now coronavirus has actually reached inside the white house with two staffers, at least, infected. three top health officials on the coronavirus task force are self-quarantining in some manner, all undercutting the president's message that it's time to reopen the nation and this virus can be controlled. cnn's kaitlan collins joins me now from the white house. kaitlan, white house staffers have just been told they need to wear masks when entering the west wing. they have not been told that until now? >> reporter: yeah, jake, they're just now getting this guidance a month after the cdc issued its
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own guidance about people wearing face coverings when in public. now this email from the white house management office says they need to wear masks when entering the west wing. they say they don't have to wear face coverings at their desks as long as they're appropriately social distanced from their colleagues. last week this was not at all the guidance and most people inside the west wing were not wearing masks. this all comes on the heels of two staffers testing positive inside the white house, which has now set up a hunt to make sure the outbreak doesn't spread any further. the white house is scrambling to contain a coronavirus outbreak within its own walls. two people who worked closely with president trump and vice president pence have been infected, sending officials rushing to do contract tracing amid concerns about further exposure inside the west wing. >> it is scary to go to work. you've been in the west wing, it's a small, crowded place. >> reporter: a saturday meeting with top