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and good evening. today, the president said in his ro rose garden news conference we have prevailed. he said this today when we have crossed a sickening milestone. you may recall early in the pandemic, there was an estimate that 80,000 of us would die in this country but that wasn't

projected to happen until early august. today's may 11th. more than 80,000 are dead and the president saying, speaking about the american people and assumedly his administration, as well, we prevailed. in other words, mission accomplished or sure sounds like it. and, sadly, we know how that went. we have met the moment and we prevailed, the president says. prevailed, past tense, as in it's already happened. it's over. prevailed, as in we won. later, the president said he was talking about prevailing on testing, though, he didn't say that at first. he also, later then said we are making great strides toward total victory. at the same time the president is saying we prevailed, he is unable to articulate clear guidance for this country about testing and contact tracing and all the other elements needed to move forward. he subverted his own administration's guidelines. 48 states are partially reopened or making plans to do so, and many of them do not meet his administration's guidelines. the president doesn't seem to be too worried about that anymore.

instead, his answers at a formal press briefing in the rose garden were, first, misleading, then, insulting. then, he left. the president, once again, repeated a line that became something of a sick joke a few weeks ago after he first said it on a visit to the cdc. anyone who wants a test can get a test, he said, way back then. amazingly, he repeated that lie again today. and his own people had to correct him, right in front of him. his testing czar corrected the president. anyone who needs a test can get a test, the admiral said. then, the president ignored that correction and repeated his lie once again. >> if people want to get tested, they get tested. but for the most part, they shouldn't want to get tested. there's no reason. >> no reason. keeping honest, that is not true now and has never been true. and the president's statements about testing have been all over the place since this crisis began. >> we're testing everybody that we need to test. >> anybody that wants a test can

get a test. >> we took over an obsolete, broken testing system. >> there's not a lot of issues with testing. >> the governors are supposed to do testing. >> we are lapping the world on testing. >> we have so much testing. i don't think you need that kind of testing or that much testing. >> the notion that everyone needs to be tested is simply nonsensical. >> we have done more testing than every other country, combined. so, in a way, by doing all of this testing, we make ourselves look bad. i have always said testing is somewhat overrated. something can happen between a test, where it's good, and something happens and all of a sudden -- this is why the whole concept of tests aren't necessarily great. but testing, certainly, is a very important function. and we have prevailed. >> we have prevailed. the president was also asked questions today about white house staff who have tested positive. two, we know of to date. katie miller, vice president's spokeswoman and wife of top aide

stephen miller. also a white house valet. the president clearly trying to downplay that news. >> how can you ensure americans that it's safe to go to their own workplaces, when the most secure workplace in the country, the white house, cannot contain the spread of the coronavirus? it's infected some of your own staff. >> when you say some, so we have a person. and the person got -- something happened right after a test was done. three other people met that person, came into relatively little contact, that is not exactly not controlling it. >> well, he can try to downplay it but in a new pollicy announcd today, all white house staff are now being ordered to wear masks. and while any american who wants a test can't get one, the white house sure seems to be relying on testing what it kmcomes to t own employees. the president downplaying the

change in mask policy in the white house because no workplace, not even of the white house is truly safe. it also points the need for adequate testing of employees to keep offices and businesses functioning. the most graceless moment of today's news conference, and that is saying a lot, happened at the very end where a reporter from cbs tried to ask a reasonable question. the president, not only shut her down suggesting the chinese-american reporter ask her question to china, he then refused the question from our reporter and shut down the news conference in kind of a huff. >> you said, many times, that the u.s. is doing far better than any other country when it comes to testing. >> yes. >> why does that matter? why is this a global competition to you if, every day, americans are still losing their lives and we're still seeing more cases, every day? >> well, they're losing their lives everywhere in the world. and maybe that's a question you should ask china. don't ask me. ask china that question. okay?

when you ask them that question, you may get a very unusual answer. yes, behind you, please. >> so why are you saying that to me, specifically? that i should ask china? >> i'm saying it to anybody that would ask a nasty question like that. >> that's not a nasty question. >> please, go ahead. okay. anybody else? please, go ahead. in the back, please. >> i have two questions. >> no, it's okay. >> i have two questions, mr. president. >> next, please. >> you called on me. >> i did. and you didn't respond, and now i'm calling on the young lady in the back. please. >> i just wanted to let my colleague -- >> ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much. appreciate it. thank you very much. >> joining me now is kaitlan collins, who is the reporter that you saw standing near the mic, who was called on by the president and politely allowed the reporter to ask her follow-up question, which is standard practice. and, then, the president clearly, in a huff, left. kaitlan, exactly, what happened there?

i mean, the idea that the -- you know, the president is so flustered and that he flees a press conference because you are asking to ask a question, when called on is kind of remarkable. >> yeah. i don't think i've ever been called on and then not allowed to ask a question after that just because i let another reporter follow up which is, as you noted, standard operating procedure for these briefings. that's the whole point of following up a question so then the president can't avoid questions he doesn't like or doesn't want to answer by, then, just calling on another reporter. and, you know, it was kind of just quiet there in the rose garden for a moment. after the president turned around and left, there wasn't any applause like there is typically from his guests he vine i invites or staffers. but, clearly, the president did not want to continue that exchange with that reporter. we had multiple questions. he had not called on cnn yet about, not only testing but, also, the new mask policy here at the white house. what he is doing going forward. and the president just refused to take those questions.

>> it, obviously, comes at a bad time for this president, who is, you know -- you know, encouraging states to defy the white house's own guidelines, and encouraging protestors to defy the white house's own guidelines about social distancing. the fact that there has now been an outd break of coronavirus among two people close to the president and vice president. it seems like everybody now, in the white house, is being told to wear a mask. and i assume they can be tested. >> yes. they can. anyone who is interacting with the president, senior staff, are being tested. but they're kind of letting other people, if they want to be tested, get tested. and that's what was so confusing today. because obviously the point that many reporters were trying to make is that if you can't even control an outbreak here, in the white house, which is actually really small. looks big on tv. the west wing is pretty cramped and pretty small. you know, how should other people feel comfortable going back to work when, here, at the

white house, you can get a test and find out if you have coronavirus or not, within 15 minutes or less. that's not the same luxury afforded to other people. obviously, there is importance in the white house and the president and his top aides being able to get tested. but the question is how should other people feel comfortable going back to work if they, themselves, cannot get tests? and it was so interesting in that rose garden today, before the president abruptly left, anderson, because he was saying anybody who wants a test can get a test. the admiral there standing to his right, who's been the one that's really the point man on testing so far was saying people who need a test can get a test. but, then, he was making the case about who it is that needs a test. talking about people who are symptomatic. that seems to go right in the face of what happened here last week when the vice president's secretary was asymptomatic. she had tested negative the day before. if she was a regular person, she probably wouldn't have been tested the next day. she had not had any symptoms, though. and that's the case for more people across the nation is that they do not have symptoms, they're going back to work.

how do they know if it's safe for them to go back to work? that was really the point that so many people were trying to make, as the president was talking about ramping up testing and what it's going to look like over the next few weeks. >> it's so interesting when you see a charleton try to convince you of something because a lot of times, what they say is so obviously untrue but it's also kind of depending on just the brazenness of the lie. and is sort of based on the idea that everybody else is a moron and doesn't pick up on the lie. when you actually have the president saying, yet again, anyone who wants a test can get one. which he said at the cdc. wasn't true then. isn't true today. his own admiral says it's anyone who needs a test can get one, with a doctor's -- doctor's recommendation, et cetera. and, then, he comes out and, again, just ignores what he just said and just repeats the lie again. i mean, it's the most obvious microcosmic example of, just,

the president's strategy to just invent his own history and make up of his own facts. >> and a lot of it has to do going back to the beginning of this. the united states was incredibly slow to roll out testing. so you saw him today comparing it to south korea and their numbers. obviously, south korea has a different population. but also, they started their testing much more rigorously, much earlier on and so they were able to flatten the curve. and that's why they have got a couple hundred deaths in their country. and in the united states, as you noted at the beginning of your show, we crossed 80,000 today alone. so comparing those, it's not really the same thing. so that was another point the president has been making act where we are, in relation to other countries and other nations. but a lot of it, anderson, has to do i think with if you talk to people going back, the failure and the criticism about the failure of -- of testing is something that's one of the most sensitive points for the president. and that's why i think the way you see him talk about testing, the way he does, is because he is sensitive to that criticism.

>> yeah. i mean, kaitlan, does seem pretty clear that this president views testing as -- it's something he has not been encouraging. and it seems like, at least part of the reason, is that he believes more people get tested. the numbers go higher. and he knows that, or believes that, reflects badly on him. i mean, he has said such. >> he even said last week in office with the iowa governor kim reynolds talking about that. he was saying it makes us look worse because the more people you test, likely the higher numbers are. my home state of alabama struggled with. they didn't have the capability to do the testing early on so it looked like they didn't have a lot of cases. but, then, when they started doing testing and now what you're seeing is a spike in cases actually right now because not enough people took it seriously enough early on to stay home and do the things that they needed to do. so it is so important, and that is why you hear the health experts. none of them have said, you know, tried to downplay testing

or dismiss it or anything like that because they know how critical it's going to be and how much it can change the trajectory of what this looks like, over the next several months. >> yeah. i mean, today, we prevailed on testing is -- well, it is what the president said. kaitlan collins, thanks very much. joining us now, chief medical correspondent, sanjay gupta. and michael osterholm. sanjay, the president saying we prevailed when it comes to testing in this nation. based on what you've seen, what you know we need, is that even remotely accurate? i mean, i know, obviously, the tests have increased greatly. but there's still a rush to get more tests out, better tests, faster tests, more accurate tests. and not everybody can get tested. >> right. no. sadly, we're not, yet, where we need to be. and, you know, i think most people recognize this. in order to start reopening, you know, businesses, the economy, we need to be testing a lot

more. we need to figure out, you know, who has the virus. i think the fact that this virus can spread, asymptomatically, you know, before or without any symptoms, you know, it complicates things. if you could use screening tests to test for symptoms and have reasonable confidence, that would be good enough. that would obviously make things a lot easier. that's not the case here. we need to be able to test because people may not have any idea that they are carrying the virus, and they are potentially spreading the virus. i, also, think this idea of continuously comparing the number of tests we have to other countries, really, just -- it's -- it doesn't make any sense. it doesn't really give us any more information. we need to know how many tests we need here. and kaitlan is quite right, i think. the fact that we started late -- and, anderson, you and i talked about this a few months ago now. if you are going to do these things, going to put these stay-at-home orders in place, if you're going to start robust testing, all of it makes a bigger difference if you start earlier. we started late, which is why we have more than a quarter of the

world's confirmed cases right now and we're not even 5% of the world's population. >> michael, i'm wondering two things from you. where -- what you -- what you took away from what you heard today out of the white house. and, also, just where you think, you know, looking where we are right now, tonight, on this night, where -- where we are in this pandemic. what it's look being like to you. >> i think sanjay summed it up very well. testing's critical. we need it. we don't have a system pofor testing. even the tests we have, for example at the white house, gives us an unreasonable number of false negatives. even if you were tested, you can still be positive infected. so we really need to do much, much more to complete the entire system in this country. not just getting results but of how it's used. in terms where we're at when i have heard the word we prevailed, that's hard to understand because as i've said to you before, we're in the 2nd inning of this 9-inning game.

most of the country is closer to the 5% range. this virus will not stop transmitting, at the level that it is, until we get to 60 to 70%. if you think about all the pain, suffering, and death we've had. all the economic disruption, to get from nowhere to 5 to 20% and we still have a long ways to go. i don't know how you can talk about prevailing, when we still have such a road ahead of us. >> gloria, from the political standpoint, does it seem, to you, that the administration would sort of like to -- is sort of trying to, basically, get as much distance between the president and this virus as possible -- as possible? you know, question death tolls or raise suggestions about questions about death toll. you know, don't be promoting test org hangu testing or hangups about testing. essentially, to make death from coronavirus just -- and somebody

els else i know has made this comparison. i can't remember where i read it but i thought it was an interesting comparison. the administration just wants to get businesses back up and have whoever dies from coronavirus just be deaths, like school shootings. just things that happen that people say, you know, thoughts and prayers but there's nothing that can be done about it. >> this is a president who is living in an alternate universe right kn right now. and the universe that he is living in is saying the coronavirus is going to be behind us really soon. we're going to get back to normal. and the phrase that really struck me today, anderson, at his press conference was he talked about a transition to greatness. think about that. what that means is that, okay, now that we're opening up the country, now that we're getting past all of this, we're going to be great again. this is -- you know, this is my plan to let the american people know that i'm in charge and

everything's going to be fine. but, don't forget, this is also an administration who promised to have 27 million tests by the end of march. that didn't happen. so the question is, at this point, will the american public believe the messages that are coming out of the white house, right now, on testing? particularly, what they see going on inside the white house, itself, right now. with people getting tested, and then getting retested. and -- and people showing that they are positive for the virus. i mean, if it can't be controlled there, how can it be controlled anywhere? so it's a really strange message he's delivering right now. and a little too rosy, particularly for a lot of those governors in states who are slower about opening up. >> michael, i mean, the idea that, you know, we're not going to get to a place where everybody can be tested, every single day, at work and, you know, that's not going to

happen. just logistically. so what would it look like to have enough tests? i mean, what would that look like? >> first, we have to have what we call smart testing. you know, when people ask willie sutton why you robbing banks? because that's where the money is. we need to be testing anyone who has clinical signs or symptoms that could have this disease. that's where we're going to find the most important tftd activit terms of what's happening with spread. next, we need to be able to test healthcare workers or first responders who are having contact with patients who may have some symptom and we don't know if it's a potential early covid infection. we need to test people in hospitals that are there and we suspect that they could be infected but were not hospitalized for covid infection but we want to know. so there is actually a scheme where which we can actually prioritize. but we're not, in many places in this country, even close to getting through what i just shared with you. so that's where we need to concentrate our testing but eventually expanded.

we do need much more expanded testing. i think -- anderson, just to put a context to this. when you think about that, 60 days ago, today, this disease was not even the top hundred causes of deaths in this country. this past month, it was the number one cause of death. there is no other disease, since 1918, that's done that. and we're just getting started in the second inning of this nine-inning game. so you can understand why we have to have a comprehensive plan for things like testing and so forth, that are so different than what we have right now. we're just getting started. >> yeah. and -- and federal leadership, not just a piecemeal, state-by-state approach. michael, appreciate it. gloria, as well. sanjay, stay with us. still to come, more on the president's confrontation with the chinese-american reporter from cbs at the rose garden event. andrew yang will join me to discuss. a lot more ahead. stay with us. feel the clarity of non-drowsy

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to you if, every day, americans are still losing their lives and we're still seeing more cases, every day? >> well, they're losing their lives everywhere in the world. and maybe that's a question you should ask china. don't ask me. ask china that question. okay? when you ask them that question, you may get a very unusual answer. yes, behind you, please. >> so why are you saying that to me, specifically? >> i'm telling you. i'm not saying it, specifically, to anybody. i'm saying it to anybody that would ask a nasty question like that. >> that's not a nasty question. >> please, go ahead. >> why does it matter? >> okay. anybody else? please, go ahead, in the back, please. >> i have two questions. >> no, it's okay. >> but you pointed to me. i have two questions, mr. president. >> next, please. >> you called on me. >> i did and you didn't respond. and, now, i'm calling on the young lady in the back. please. >> i just wanted to let my colleague finish. >> ladies and gentlemen, thank very much. appreciate it. thank you very much.

>> and he left. joining me now is cnn political commentator andrew yang, former presidential candidate who endorsed joe biden. andrew, thanks for being with us. the idea that the president, i don't know to say he became unhinged or he left in a huff. but the idea that he, you know, couldn't deal with kaitlan collins asking him a question and, you know, yet again, calling a female reporter's question nasty. and telling her to ask china. i'm wondering what you made of this. >> well, there was a memo that went out to republican political operatives recently, anderson. and it said to blame china for the coronavirus because distracting the american people from the failings of the trump administration in helping address this crisis is just about the only way they can put this in a -- in some kind of light that would enable him to win in november. so that's out there for everyone to see. and when trump got a question about his administration's

handling of the virus, he went straight from that playbook. he said talk to china. blame china. the fact that it was a chinese-american reporter just serves to further the distraction. what we have to do is keep attention focused on what americans care about, which is our health, our communities, our economic recovery, and not let trump distract us all from the real issues. >> it is, clearly, the playbook. i mean, obviously, early on, the trump administration, which was in negotiations with -- with china, over trade, you know, was praising chinese leadership. of all things, praising chinese transparency which, you know, was obviously not actually occurring. now, as you say, the playbook has been written and that's what the president is -- is following in trying to make this, as much as possible, you know, something that they did, rather than the

failures of his administration, the missing month of february, where he was hanging out with diamond and silk. and talking about miracles happening and this disappearing by -- by april. >> that's exactly right. where -- there are very few narratives that he can present that don't call attention to the fact that his administration has mishandled this pandemic in -- in unprecedented ways. unthinkable ways. and we're all paying the price. one of the few ways that he can frame it is saying that this is china's fault. this is a foreign effort. and it's us against them. instead of saying, well, we're dealing with this pandemic that experts have warned about, for years. and we've dropped the ball. he can't win saying that we dropped the ball or we're seeing great depression-era levels of unemployment. 30 million-plus jobs lost. that is not a winning case for an incumbent and he knows it. so this is one of the few things he can draw on that might distract enough voters to give him a path to victory. i don't think it's going to work. but it's one reason why i'm thrilled that we're talking about this because we have to

call it out every time he tries it. and make sure that this particular play is a total dud. >> what this reporter was also partly calling out was the president turns everything into, i don't know if a game is the right way, but into a competition with another country where -- where he is the only victor. where, you know, where he wins, where america wins. when, in fact, it's very interesting when you see that mentality play out because you heard him, last week, suggesting that, you know, more testing means his numbers go up. you know, the numbers of people who are actually infected goes up, and that reflects poorly, he believes, on his administration. on the united states. it's -- it's such an odd way of looking at this. and it's clearly -- i mean, if that is the way he's looking at

not having so much testing because the numbers will go up and make him look bad, that's a really dangerous thing. >> we know that we're number one, in the world, in cases and deaths from the coronavirus. and you're right that he likes to frame everything in terms of a competition, in terms of numbers. unfortunately, here, the numbers are disastrous, for us all. not just in terms of the cases but, also, again, 30 million-plus jobs lost. record numbers of americans are trying to figure out where their next paycheck is going to come from. so presenting it as the zero-sum game, to me, it is something they have written out as one of their few resources in this situation. but what we care about, as americans, is not what's going on in other places. it's what's going on right in our homes, our local hospitals, our communities, every single day. >> yeah. andrew yang, i appreciate your time. hope you and your family are staying safe. >> anderson, congratulations on being a dad! i'm so freaking pumped for you.

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there is breaking news tonight about a new study on the effectiveness and medical impact of the drug hydroxychloroquine, famously pushed by the president, for weeks, in the pandemic. joining me now is the study's lead researcher who is the dean of public health state university of new york at albany. thank you so much for being with us david. your study looked at more than 1,400 patients with coronavirus. what conclusion did you come to when it comes to using hydroxychloroquine? >> well, thank you for having me, anderson. when we looked at these just over 1,400 patients, who were living with coronavirus and were hospitalized in new york. we really looked at three questions. did physicians actually use these drugs? were they prescribed or not? and for whom? and, then, we looked at three outcomes. outcomes on the basis of in-hospital deaths, cardiac arrest, and abnormal heart rhythms. and what we found was that after

you adjust for differences in illness upon admission to the hospital and other factors, hydroxychloroquine was not associated with a benefit in terms of in-hospital death, nor was it associated with a benefit in terms of abnormal heart rhythm. when we looked at cardiac arrest, what we saw is it's a combination did seem to be associated with elevated levels of cardiac arrest. and that was true, even after we made our statistical adjustment for differences in illness upon admission to the hospital. >> so, not only was it not effective in -- in what they hoped it would be effective for. it, actually, was associated with -- with more cardiac arrest. is that -- am i summarizing that correctly? >> yes, you are, anderson. exactly. in terms of in-hospital death or abnormal heart rhythm, we didn't see a significant effect of

benefit or a significant effect of harm. but, when it comes to cardiac arrest, especially for patients who got the combination of these two drugs, we saw that there was an elevated level of cardiac arrest. and that remained true, even if we made these other statistical adjustments for things like patient age and gender and level of illness upon admission to the hospital. absolutely. >> i mean, again, it's just a reminder of the importance of actual medical professionals being people who discuss medication, not politicians or, you know, newscasters recommending it isn't saying things like it's not going to kill you when, in fact, it's actually associated with elevated cardiac arrest. and -- and you point out that your study does have limitations. and you write about it in your report that we need -- we still need clinical trials. >> absolutely. this was an observational study. so not a randomized control trial, in which the researchers would be assigning whether or

not, by randomization, who got the drug and who got placebo. in our case, we did an observational study because we thought it was important, very quickly, to look at what was the actual real-world experience of physicians prescribing these drugs? and what occurred with their patients when these prescriptions were made? and, the kind of observational study we did, its weakness is in terms of randomization, not being able to randomize to different conditions. but, its strength is that you can do something in the real world, that's looking in a very timely way and much shorter time period, to be able to see what the effects would be. but, i think that you want to take into consideration, what were the findings of our study? of other observational studies that have recently been released. maybe other randomized-control trials. but, also, our study was very consistent with recent fda statement of drug-safety concern for hydroxychloroquine. and it's, also, very consistent with a recent nih treatment guideline on the use of

hydroxychloroquine and together. and that treatment guideline said they made the recommendation in a strong way but needed to see some more empirical data and hopefully studies like ours are helping to fill those gaps in terms of some needed empirical information out there. >> yeah. it's such an important point you make. your study -- your observational study, it's not an outlier. it is when you look at it in the context of the other studies that have been done, other advice from the fda and others, you know, it -- it -- it adds to that. and it's so important, in that sense. so david, i really appreciate what you do. and thank you, very much, for coming on and talking about it. thank you, very much. well questions pile up on that drug. the biotech firm regeneron says it expects beginning clinical trials next month of an antibody cocktail it hopes will prove critical as a treatment, not a vaccine. dr. george, the company's co-founder and a chief scientific advisor. doctor, thanks, so much, for

being with us. you said that the -- the antibody testing could actually prevent people from getting the disease. can you just explain to me how that might work? and how optimistic or -- or if you're optimistic about that? >> right. the antibody cocktail. not the antibody testing. let me just remind you what our cocktail is. we all know, when you get a vaccine, that's intended to make you immune against the virus. what does immune against the virus means? it means that the vaccine is making your body make antibodies, antiviral antibodies, that will attack and kill the virus. that's why the vaccines are so important. and we hope, eventually, obviously, to have a safe and effective vaccine. but we've heard, from so many people, from dr. fauci, those could still be a year or two away. well, what we've done is, over the last many decades, we've developed a whole new set of technologies. that we've actually invested billions on. to make these sort of

antibodies. antiviral antibodies, outside of the body, without a vaccine. grow them in these massive bioreactors. purifying. and then we give back these antibodies, just like the antibodies a vaccine does but much more potent, much more concentrated, much more powerful. and, instantaneously, they would have the opportunity to make somebody immune as if they had been vaccinated but even more powerfully. and moreover, they can even work, whereas, vaccines, you can't give them to somebody who is already sick or infected. these things have been shown to actually work in other diseases, in cases where people are already sick and infected. so the reason why there's reason to have a lot of hope for this is because these exact approaches and technologies that we invented and we developed. we've applied them, over and over again, to many other diseases. on the order of ten or so different antibodies using these approaches have been, or will soon be, approved by the fda. and, most notably, we used these

in the ebola epidemic. and showed, rather dramatically, that it could save people. in the early stages of infection with ebola, or even the latest stages. and, as we know, ebola, it's much more universally lethal disease than the covid. so that lies a lot of confidence. >> sanjay's got some questions i know, as well. sanjay. >> yeah. so you take these antibodies. you give them to somebody. do you have any idea how long that might last, then, in terms of giving them -- like, with a vaccine, the body's essentially making antibodies. and it may last a long time. maybe, for the rest of their lives even, the protection. what about with this -- with this antibody cocktail that you a are talking about? >> that's a great point. the goal of vaccines is they may actually make your body provide these protective antibodies, forever. the limitation of our approach is that you will have to take

them once a month or once every few months. however, as we know with vaccines, they also have their limitations. they don't tend to work as well, for example, in the elderly and the immunocompromised. some of the people that are most likely to be affected by this virus. whereas, giving them these antibodies, that we're talking about, allows those sorts of people to immediately fight against the virus. so there's reason for both. we need to have both. we need to have a lot of effort on the vaccine front, for exactly the reasons that you -- you talk about. you can create herd immunity, in a large percentage of the population. but you, also, need these approaches because they can, either, immediately cure people or they can actually protect people before a vaccine. or those people who won't ever be responding well to a vaccine. . >> wow. it's incredibly exciting. doctor, i wish we had more time but i really appreciate you coming on. it's fascinating work and i look forward to following your progress. good luck. we all need -- we all need a lot

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delight at the television set when she saw her dad, he volunteered as a nurse in new york city to to help coronavirus patients and when he got back he had to be in quarantine and couldn't see his family. here is what his children said when they saw him on tv last week. that is gracie and she and her mom, a new york physician, reunited with jim mullen, we are very happy that they are all joining us now. thanks for joining us. and as a family, thank you all for the sacrifice you made. jim, you went out of your way to do something like this. you don't even work as a nurse anymore, you're trained as a nurse, you're an attorney, if my memory serves me correct, you volunteered to come here in a different state, it's amazing to me that you were willing to do

that. when you look back on it now, what do you think? >>. >> i look back on it as an amazing opportunity. it's something that i will never forget as long as i live and now that i have the opportunity to come home and be with jean and grace, i look at it slightly differently because you see how it affects a 2-year-old who seems so happy, but overall, it was, you know, it was an unbelievable experience that i will never forget. >> and dr. mullen, what went through your mind, first of all, when you saw your husband, but also, when he first told you, you know what, i'm going to go to new york, and do this. >> you know, you're just kind of like in shock and you have a few selfish thoughts that go through your mind, but at the end of the day, i wanted to be supportive and you know, i knew that he had been on the front lines with me in atlanta, and i wanted to support him in this.

>> gracie. >> grace is so beautiful. and she's just glowing. and so adorable. gracie, what did you think when you saw your dad come home? >> what'd you think? hugs and kisses? yeah. >> happy? >> yeah. >> aw. >> take your finger out. >> and i also understand that gracie received a special gift. is that right? something that dad had been having to put together. >> yeah. did you get a dollhouse? >> yeah. >> did you like it? >> yeah. >> yeah? did you say thank you to mr. cooper? >> thank you, mr. cooper. >> dr. mullen, i mean, just the community outpouring, you know, we're watching again on our tv screens. it's so uplifting to see given

what a sobering time this has been and to see, you know, people clapping in their windows and banging pots and pans and to -- for the nurses and the doctors and you've been working in a hospital in dallas. what message do you have for those who, you know, who came out, even decorated their cars, to welcome you guys back? to welcome jim back? >> you know, i think we're just so appreciative, but we don't want to forget that there's so many people out there on the front lines and, you know, that we're just two people who are trying to serve our country and serve the people here, and so, so many people, you know, we could never say thank you to everyone. we just hope that everyone continues to stay safe and continues to take this seriously. >> jim, just lastly, you know, to those watching right now who may be missing their own loved ones who are on the front lines, what message do you have for

them and those on the front lines and you know what that's like, what's your message to them? >> i would say keep doing the unbelievable work you're doing. five minutes before i hopped on this call, i was scrolling through my facebook feed and saw a patient at the hospital in queens where i was that had been discharged after 29 days intubated, 45 days in the hospital, so your work is making a huge difference and paying huge dividends for families all over the united states. so we really appreciate you. there was over 4,000 nurses and emts and paramedics where i was in new york city. they were doing exactly what i was doing and i thank you all so much for everything that you're doing. >> jim and gracie and dr. gina mullen, thank you so much for all you have done and no doubt will continue to do. we wish you the best. >> thank you. >> thank you so much. >> say thank you, mr. cooper. >> thank you -- >> nice. bye. up next, we remember a really special lady, a mom, a

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as often as possible we try to end our show remembering some of the lives that have been lost during this crisis and tonight we want to honor margaret mackenzie. she passed away from the coronavirus on saturday. she was living in a nursing home in new jersey when she became infected. she was a mother to four girls and a grandmother to 15 grandchildren and great-grandchildren. they all called her nana. because of the lockdown, they can't be together to mourn their nana, to have the memorial service she deserves. they can't give each other hugs or laugh or cry together or tell stories to remember her all in one place, so her grandson, jamie, posted a tribute online as a way to remember her. he sent it to me on instagram and i wanted you you to see it. we've had to edit it down, but we think it's worth watching. it's a beautiful tribute to his nana.