john kusinski to find the silver lining in a dark cloud. >> when it's really dark and dreary on the ground and then you get in the plane, and within three minutes, you shoot above the clouds and you see the sun was always there. >> reporter: if only we'd get up the nerve to fly again. jeanne moos. >> good luck. >> good luck. >> reporter: cnn, new york. >> and anderson starts now. >> erin, thanks. good evening, everyone. today has been a series or we have seen a series of unsubtle reminders of the pronouncements, we are transitioning into greatness in their words and this country has met the moment and, quote, prevailed, unquote, on testing. obscures evidence that the virus is not under control. that we are far from the end of this pandemic, sadly, and that a reversal of the progress we have made is still possible if we don't listen to what our health

officials and our scientists are telling us. now, the first reminder today, capitol hill hearing unlike any other, where how witnesses and lawmakers communicated was as important as what they communicated. and we'll get to all that in a moment tonight. the other developments happened shortly after that hearing ended. one an update to the university of washington model the white house previously cited, plotting the course of this virus. its new numbers once again projecting even higher death count. 147,000 people projected to die in the u.s. through august 4th. that's an increase of 10,000 from their previous projection. the institute that publishes the model pointed to reasons including loosening of social distancing policies and the director 69 people. the director of the institute told cnn if people aren't cautious and don't wear masks, if the nation doesn't have the capacity to test, to do the contact tracing and to isolate people who are infected, then, quote, i think we'll see the numbers go up. today johns hopkins reports

there are 82,246 people who have died in the united states. 1,564 have died today alone. the other reminders, we are far from the end tonight, come out of california. the first california state university with 23 campuses and close to half a million students. they say for the most part they will not have in-person classes come the fall. as in around four months from now. the other reminder and where we begin tonight is out of l.a. county. a health official said a short time ago the county will extend its stay-at-home orders by three more months. just to give you some idea of the importance of the development, according to the most recent census figures, l.a. county is home to about 10 million people the population is roughly the size of michigan or north carolina. in fact, only nine states have bigger populations than l.a. county. want to get an update on the latest joining us is former mayor eric garcetti. thank you for being with us. what exactly does this mean?

will l.a. be extending its stay-at-home order until july? >> it means a couple things. this is just as dangerous a virus today as it was when it arrived, and we should never become too comfortable. we're learning to live with it, not moving beyond it. it is important to react, but overreact. huge headlines on cnn, l.a. times, when our county health officer dr. flare merely said an order would stay in place at least three more months, that doesn't mean the order stays in place exactly as it is today, but we're going to have to protect our vulnerable and our seniors. we're still going to wear facial coverings and physically distance. the steps we earn each week and each month will be based on where the numbers are and how safe we can make spaces and places. in l.a. wreechl sewn success with the construction industry. three farmers markets had to shutdown and reopen safely. it is a reminder how delicate

this time is. do not freak out when you hear a scientist say it's still going to be here and we're going to be living under health orders, all of us in america, many, many months, if not into next year, but at the same time it puts that in our hands to know our compliance with these orders helps us take steps forward as we did this week in los angeles and as we hope to do a little more with baby steps this coming week, too. >> so, just to be clear, there will be some sort of stay-at-home orders continuing through july. the exact parameter of them, the details of them, that depends on what occurs. you said you may see some adjustments. in what time frame did you just say? did you say a week or within a week or after a week? and what do you have a sense of when the next kind of loosening might be? >> so, it was announced today, for instance -- remember, i'm the mayor of the city, so the county which is separate makes these pronouncements. a lot of people call me and say, what did you say?

i didn't say anything. let me clarify it on cnn. watch anderson cooper and you'll find out. what we did do is move toward this weekend opening up our trails. we made sure there's curb side pickup at five retail stores. they announced it will expand to all retail. beaches will open up for exercise and active recreation only, in the wet sand is a good way of thinking about it. not hanging out and tanning in the dry sand. every two or three weeks we can assess those steps. if the numbers stay stable as they are in los angeles, great, we've earned that and can build on that. similar with work spaces. maybe manufacturing comes next because we've been manufacturing masks safely, just distancing the sewing machines and the workers. so each one of these steps is both in the hands, a little bit of government, but mostly the people. to comply with those recommendations and the public health is clear. this is still a threat to us all. >> so, for retail establishments, you said it will be extended for all retail establishments.

what does that actually look like curb side? so people don't go into a particular store? they order online, or do they order through a window or something, an open door, someone brings it out? >> online or call ahead as we've been doing with restaurants for quite sometime. now this was opened up to book stores, toy stores, up to florists and a couple other categories. in the coming week it will be open to all retail establishments. you bring up a good point, anderson. it isn't easy. we have business ambassadors who go out there and educate, if necessary enforce, but to make sure they aren't letting people into there are retail shops yet. that they are complying and posting that they complied in their windows in the public health orders. so each step allows us to get a little bit business back. i've been encouraging angelenos, call that local store you love, buy what you used to buy, pay for it over the phone, they'll give it to you curb side. so far we've got a passing

grade. we need to get it up to an a or b. over the weekend it worked well and gave some jobs back to people and some money back to local business owners. >> i've been buying actually my masks from a local l.a. company called leisure lab that usually makes athletic wear. they switched to masks. i've brianna buying theen buyin. >> awesome, thank you. >> they plan to cancel majority of classes in the fall. is that something you support? what about los angeles county schools, do you anticipate classes will resume? >> i hope so. anybody that predicts today where the virus will be tomorrow let alone in the fall, we won't know. but we should prepare for it. i absolutely think it will be a different school than we're used to. whether it's fewer days a week, half the class coming in, whether it's new spaces and places where we educate. i think it would be a pity if we have all of our children only

online throughout the rest of this calendar year. we're watching places around the world where they're doing that safely. again, it's all about our compliance. but if we can get the temperature checks, if we can get the testing in place which is why iefrm been so passionate about testing and became the first big city in america to offer testing widespread for people with and without symptoms. we're going to need that in place. but i do believe in the fall, the k-12 level we should be prepared. if the numbers are stable we should figure out safe ways for kids to be there at least some of the week face to face with teachers, with their peers. at the higher education level it's tougher because people live in dormitories. that's higher risk. each school needs to make that decision themselves. i appreciate what cal state university has done. there are places and spaces we should be in the fall. >> thanks very much, eric garcetti. appreciate it. >> always, anderson. >> take care. as we said at the top of the broadcast, one of the big moments was the testimony of

four top officials including dr. anthony fauci. really what was so unusual about it, some of the testimony, how it all came together. it was like nothing we've seen before on capitol hill. witnesses were not present obviously in the committee room. they participated by video conference, as did the republican committee chairman and other senators. the senators who attended, some wore masks, others did not. individuals in the room were asked to be 6 feet apart. public was not permitted to attend. phil mattingly tells us what happened once the meeting began. take a look. >> the consequence could be serious. >> reporter: the white house's top public health officials issuing a stark warning as president trump presses to reopen the country. >> my concern that if some areas, cities, states, what have you, jump over those various checkpoints and prematurely open up without having the capability of being able to respond effectively and efficiently, my concern is that we will start to see little spikes that might

turn into outbreaks. >> reporter: highly anticipated senate hearing, a surreal reminder the new world facing everyone. as the u.s.'s covid-19 death toll surpasses 80,000. lamar alexander urging the administration to ramp up testing. >> all roads back to work, back to school lead through testing, tracking, isolation, treatment, and vaccines. this requires widespread testing. >> reporter: as the democrats train their fire on the administration for an array of perceived failures by the president. >> president trump has been more focused on fighting against the truth than fighting this virus. and americans have sadly paid the price. >> reporter: conflicting information about reopening guidelines. >> you work for a president who is frankly undermining our efforts to comply with the guidance that you've given us. >> reporter: and the administration's overall response. >> the time for magical thinking is over here. >> reporter: but the health

officials touted progress on the country's fight, with one big caveat. the virus is not yet under control. >> i think we're going in the right direction, but the right direction does not mean we have by any means total control of this outbreak. >> reporter: with signs of progress on a vaccine, but not before schools restart in the fall. >> phase one will go directly into phase two, three, late spring, early summer. if we are successful, we hope to know that in the late fall and early winter. the idea of having treatments available or a's vaccine to facilitate the reentry of students into the fall term would be something that would be a bit of a bridge too far. >> reporter: the federal official overseeing u.s. testing efforts projecting a massive ramp up in the months ahead. >> by september, taking every aspect of development, authorization, manufacturing and supply chain into consideration, we project that our nation will be capable of performing at

least 40 to 50 million tests per month. >> reporter: but it was republican senator mitt romney who responded to the claims of testing success with this sharp retort. >> i find our testing record nothing to celebrate whatsoever. >> reporter: anthony fauci also facing criticism from gop senator rand paul. >> inasmuch as i respect you, dr. fauci, i don't think you're the end all. >> reporter: and fauci pushing back. >> i haven't made myself out to be the end all and the voice of this. i don't give advice about economic things. i only give advice about public health. >> senators also asked dr. fauci if he thought the total death toll of 80,000 was accurate. what did foofrp say? what did fauci say? >> reporter: interesting context, anderson. when i talk to those who have spoken with the president, there are several inside the white house including the president who believe the current total more than 80,000 is actually an

over count. that individuals that have died -- have been labelled as covid deaths that didn't actually have the virus. anthony fauci is not in that group. he said when he was asked specifically if the number of 80,000 was low or high, he said, quote, most of us believe it is actually higher than 80,000. carefully choosing his words, saying most of us inside the white house believe that's the case. but anthony fauci believes 80,000. we've gone north of that. it's under where the total covid deaths are. where it ends up, of course, anderson, still an open question. >> phil mattingly. phil, thank you very much. joining us is chief medical correspondent sanjay gupta and director for center for infectious disease, research and policy at the university of minnesota. sanjay, first of all, just on the death toll, the idea that the white house or folks there are are behind the scenes pooh poohing the death toll saying it's not as high in reality as all the evidence shows that it is, and as dr. fauci and nearly

most people who are involved in this will say it's actually underestimated, it just seems like such a blatant political stance for the president to, you know, be whispering about or saying behind the scenes he clearly doesn't want -- he has spoken it out loud. he said more testing means the numbers go up and that makes it look bad for, you know, for the administration. >> yeah, i mean, there's been various studies as well. because of the lack of testing, because there was a lot of people who may have been -- thought they had some other respiratory illness or the flu, again, because of lack of testing, because people were staying home as the hospitals, particularly in new york, were getting full, i think all those things have fed into this idea, the study came out of yale showing this, between march and april, beginning of march and i think the first few days of april, that the death toll sadly was probably really under counted. that it may have been 10 to

12,000 people more even. so it's hard to know. i think dr. fauci was sort of pressed on this point by senator sanders. is it 50% higher, i think senator sanders asked. dr. fauci didn't want to give a number. dr. fauci was saying most people believe this -- i think he was really talking about the public health community as well because there have been studies that have come out about this. it's a tough thing to know. but again, because of inadequate testing up front, we may never really know the true number here. >> michael, dr. fauci testified states face serious consequence if they reopen too quickly. there is new modelling froe j p 140,000. it's an obvious point, but it bears repeating. it's a stark reminder this is far from over. you talked about this being early inning. >> right. we really are at the very beginning. we could go for a period of several months where the virus

basically just dies out or appears to be gone and could come back with a major wave this summer and fall. i think, again, the message we have to keep coming back to, we've infected 5 to 20% of the population of this country. most of the country is in that 5% range. this virus is not going to even slow down its transmission until it gets to 60 or 70%. if you keep remembering how many deaths, how many financial disruption moments that have occurred in this past few months, and think how much further we have to go to find that herd immunity status. >> you know, michael, it's also remarkable. it's stunning when you think more than 80,000 dead, and that is with all the social distancing and societal upheaval and financial ruin that has taken place had we not gone through all that, there's no telling what the death toll would have been. >> yes, i'm certain that we have prevented a number of deaths,

and deaths that basically wouldn't normally been thought -- we're thinking right now long-term care, prisons, meatpacking plants. we're going to see more and more of this in the community. the 52-year-old individual who doesn't have any other risk factors, and that's what i think we prevented, more cases in that type of population. but as we go on with time, those cases are going to be on the books unfortunately. >> as a 52-year-old individual, i'm paying particular attention to what you just said. sanjay, dr. fauci said the school openings will vary from region to region. he also said that having a vaccine for the upcoming school year would be a bit of a bridge too far. california state university is planning to cancel most in-person classes throughout the fall. we talked to mayor garcetti about l.a. i wonder what you make of it. for you what was the biggest thing that came out of the hearings today? >> i do thinks i find dr. fauci's language -- he's so masterful of what he does. a bridge too far to talk about a

vaccine this fall. i don't think anybody has been thinking that a vaccine would be available this fall. but, you know, it's a question of balancing the hopefulness of people with the honesty, which i think he's quite good at. i think as far as schools go, you heard about colleges, cal state, probably going to online. i think we're probably going to see that at a lot of universities. i'd be curious what d dr. olesterholm thinks. there is a real inertia to try, especially for younger kids, to see if they might be able to have some socialization within a bricks and mortar structure. it's going to feel different. maybe staggered start times. not cafeterias or assemblies or any mass gatherings. if things are not going well in a particular community, if you're seeing more cases, they have to pull back or not start school at all. as far as the lower schools, k-12, i think there is a real desire to open up those schools.

i spoke to people within the l.a. united school district -- l.a. unified school district, the second largest in the country. they say they would like to do this. we'll see what the summer holds. >> michael, does it make any sense to you at all that the cdc guidelines for reopening still have not been released? i mean, cdc director redfield said they'd be released soon. dr. birx was on our town hall last week and sort of claimed that, oh, they're not being squashed. it's just in editing. certainly that was contradicted by word coming out of the white house earlier that very day. so, i mean, reopening is beginning and the cdc guidelines aren't even out, it seems, again, another example of kind of the cdc being sidelined and kneecaped. >> first, i give credit to the governors and even the mayors of this country that have had to do a lot of heavy lifting making decisions what to do.

even that's a bit discouraging. you may recall we had a bit of coming out of the lockdown criteria the white house had. we're not following that. right now we have 42 states that are releasing or coming back to what had previously existed for business. and in those states, we have many of them have cases increasing right now. so i am concerned as a nation, even if we have more criteria, we've got to wrestle with this. how are we going to make the decisions what to do and not to do, and right now we're not making decisions based on any data. people say test, test, test. i don't see anybody using testing data to give us a sense of what we should do or not do. >> yeah, i mean, that's a terrifying sentence. we're not making decisions based on data. that is something to really focus on in the days ahead. michael, thank you. as always, michael osterholm. >> thank you.

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model has been cited by the white house out with new numbers that again raise the projected death toll. according to an institute at the university of -- the university of washington, the number of deaths in the u.s. from the coronavirus through august 4th are now projected to be 147,000. that's an increase of 10,000 due to less social distancing. joining us from washington is cnn's jim accosta. has the white house responded to the increased number of dead predicted in this new model? >> reporter: i'm not sure, anderson. i do know the white house has embraced the model in the past. president trump was complaining these models have not been consistent and they haven't been accurate and we should also note dr. anthony fauci on the coronavirus task force has also expressed some of his miss gigis with these models. it doesn't sound, anderson, that the increase of this projection up to 147,000 deaths is going to affect how this white house is

approaching reopening the country. we saw kaylee mcenemy in the white house saying if you see people long, they're not going in for medical procedures. death will go up because of drug and alcohol abuse. barring increase for estimates and projections, anderson, i don't see the president wavering in his approach to reopening the country and wanting to do it as soon as possible. >> what is the policy moving forward from the white house about letting the american people hear from dr. fauci, hear from dr. birx, hear from the coronavirus task force? is that now -- are those daily -- i know they say they're not going to get rid of the task force, but have they muzzled the task force? are they not going to have the daily briefings from the task force? if the tree falls in the forest, no one's around, do you hear it? >> reporter: right, and they did have a task force meeting earlier this afternoon.

we understand dr. birx and dr. fauci were there. they were distancing themselves from one another because of the situation with the vice president's press secretary testing positive for the coronavirus. it does seem that these coronavirus briefings that made so much news in a positive and negative sense for the president for several weeks, that is off for now. the president prefers to do these press conferences where he feels he can control the message a lot better, although things went off the rails yesterday. but in the meantime it does seem, anderson, they are comfortable keeping dr. fauci off to the side lines, keeping him away from the cameras as much as possible. they let him testify earlier today on capitol hill, teleworking in, i guess you can call it, zooming in to that hearing. time and again we saw him contradict the administration from one issue to another. that obviously doesn't sit well with people inside the administration. they see dr. fauci as somebody who kind much throws cold water on the president's optimism. and so my sense is, anderson, from here on out, you're going

to see less of dr. fauci, less of dr. birx, and potentially more of the president having news conferences. but as you and i both know, anderson, they kind of make this up as they go along. what happens today may not necessarily mean what happens tomorrow. but for the moment it does sound like these doctors have been sidelined, anderson. >> i mean, we need more than anything, you know, clear fact-based science now. and hearing from the scientists who are, you know, deeply involved in this coronavirus task force is critical. i just find it so strange that the white house -- i mean, not strange, but just sad that the white house or the president seems to beside lining seems to be sidelining dr. fauci. we'll see. >> reporter: they're keenly aware. you bet. >> you said they're acutely aware of poll numbers?

>> reporter: they're keenly aware of these poll numbers and how they show the president -- we have a new cnn poll out today, public disapproval of the president going up, and at the same time confidence in dr. fauci remains as high as any public figure in america when it comes to this pandemic. they're aware of that, and that's why you're seeing just this evening, anderson, trump advisors on social distancing med media sniping at dr. fauci because they see him as not on the same board with the president. no question about it. >> if the white house is looking at poll numbers for scientists, we're in a pandemic. that's remarkable. jim accosta, appreciate it. joining me now is ohio governor mike dewine. thank you for joining us. i know how busy you are. dr. fauci is warning about the potential for needless suffering and death if we skip the criteria and guidelines if we open the country prematurely or too fast. obviously that is one of the considerations, you no doubt, have taken into account.

ohio has not seen a 14-day downward trajectory in cases which was one of the benchmarks laid out by the coronavirus task force. can you talk about your decision, why aren't you waiting until that happens? what other criteria are you looking at? >> anderson, i think there is a risk if we open up or if we don't open up. you know, we can't continue to have this down economy so much. and quite frankly, people are anxious to get moving and get things going. what we've tried to do, what we have done is get the best scientific evidence that we can so that how we open up is the best that we can do. i mean, for example, i'm working today on child care and how can we do this. and we'll announce this in a few days. people are going back to work. we need child care. but grave concern about little

kids who maybe don't get sick themselves, but, you know, they take it from one family back to numerous families. and so what we're going to do when we roll this out in a few days, i think it's going to be the best child care plan in the nation in the sense of we're going to have smaller class sizes than i think anybody else. and so we're trying to do it as carefully as we can, but we do know it's a risk. and my message to ohioans today was the same as it's been every day, and that is you have to wear a mask. you have to keep your social distancing. you've got to be careful. if you're high risk, you probably shouldn't go out. these things have not changed. the virus is still out there, but we also know that when the economy goes flat and stays that way for a long period of time, some other very horrendous

things occur that are not just economic, not just in people's paycheck, but in their medical care, in their health. we see things like domestic violence that historically go up. when we see unemployment go up, and so these are things we have to try to balance. we're trying to do it in a very -- we are doing it in a very careful way, as careful as we can. there is certainly a risk, and we need to understand that as we go through this. >> yeah, i mean, these are not easy decisions for any leader to make. i think the last time we talked or recent time we talked, correct me if i'm wrong, you talked about trying to scale up the contact tracing, the testing. i'm wondering how that's going. if memory serves me, you wanted to same for like 1800 or so contact tracers. is that still -- if i'm accurate, is that the number you're still looking for or trying to get to?

>> yes, and it's interesting. we had a ton of applications. we're very happy and we're starting to hire people. that is coming along. the other thing, of course, is the testing itself. and our capacity is up. our testing continues to go up, but it's got to go up a lot more. i was just on a call tonight with two former governors who i've asked to help me. governor taff and governor celeste. long conference call right before i came on here about how we continue to grow that testing. it's important. we need to be able to have it so we can vigorously trace. we also have to have it so that, frankly, we can go into some -- if there's a hot spot, we can move in and take care of that hot spot. so testing is a lot more robust today than it was the last time you and i talked, but we still have a ways to go. >> well, the string of contact

tracers, you had people wanting to do that job. that's going to be a critical role. again, i just think for any leader this is an extraordinarily difficult time and difficult task and i appreciate you taking the time to talk to us, governor dewine. thank you. >> thank you, anderson. appreciate it. >> doctors are becoming concerned about other unusual illnesses that may be connected to the pandemic. we wanted to try to know more about this. sanjay gupta is going to join us shortly just to take a look at what this may mean. we'll be right back. - when i noticed my sister moving differently, she said it was like someone else was controlling her mouth. her doctor said she has tardive dyskinesia, which may be related to important medication she takes for her depression.

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as dr. anthony fauci kept saying at today's hearing, there are many unknowns about the coronavirus and its impact especially when it comes to kids. children are far less likely to become infected, but there are troubling signs for children who do have the disease. >> children presenting with covid-16 -- covid-19 who have a strange inflammatory syndrome, very similar to kawasaki syndrome, i think we better be careful if we are not cavalier in thinking that children are completely immune to the deleterious effects. >> and doctor said that isn't the only concerning development. sanjay is back with us for a look. >> now i'm ready to go out into the e.r. i don't know quite what to expect yet. >> don't know what to expect, in so many ways. the coronavirus has challenged e.r. doctors like matt bai since it hit. baffling doctors with its

mission tierio mysterious symptoms. coronavirus can spread through droplets in each cough or each breath. >> you have a droplet that goes into your nose, maybe down into your throat and eventually down into your lungs. >> peopsome people have critica low oxygen levels unlike you and me. >> they have oxygen levels that are half normal. >> a respiratory virus doesn't cause isolated loss of smell or bumps and lesions on the feet. from nose to toes, and nearly every organ in between, how does a microscopic strand of rna wreak so much and varied destruction? >> so when they come in, they can be to the extreme where they have no pulse already, or they're coming in breathing really fast and hypoxic with very low oxygen level, cold and

blue. >> it could have to do with the way the virus typically enters our cells in the first place. you're looking at the ace 2 receptor. see how the spikes of the coronavirus bind to the cell. >> this tissue is known to be in the lung and it's in the other parts of the body. it seems this ace 2 receptor is expressed more potentially with age. >> higher levels of ace 2 are often present in men which could also explain why they are most likely to be affected more severely. patients like 33-year-old warren alvega who had a life-threatening blood clot in his lungs. >> next thing i know i was on the floor. >> and there is the mystery of what it's doing to children. at least three dead now in new york from an illness with symptoms similar to kawasaki disease, a condition where the blood vessels become inflamed. >> we have about 100 cases of an

inflammatory disease in young children that seems to be created by the covid virus. >> the children that are having these signs of inflammatory conditions, they already had the infection over two weeks ago. this is not like another virus that i've seen. >> this tiny little virus which cannot even be killed because, truth is, it's not even alive. you remember, anderson, the viruses need a host in order to replicate and actually live inside the body. so a virus by itself is rather inert, which makes it even more difficult. antibiotics target specific things with bacteria. antivirals are harder to develop for that reason, part of the challenge we're having now. >> yeah. sanjay, i want to bring in a doctor who is an infectious disease specialist and a cnn

contributor. can you speak about what you're experiencing? >> the way sanjay broke it down is the inflammation of the blood vessels. the other key part is you have an immune system out of control. and if you think about your immune system is in every part of your body, your blood vessels go to every part of your body. as a result we're seeing complications really in every single organ system. whether it's the lungs becoming really scarred and fibrotic, they're not elastic like a balloon, they're really tough. so it's difficult to inflate your lungs. you're seeing blood clots, anywhere from in the heart to the lungs to the kidneys. and it's also why you're seeing people with these cold white toes and fingers. you know, we're also seeing patients who lose their sense of taste and smell really for weeks at a time after having had this infection. and then you see patients with a spectrum of illnesses like the kawasaki's in children and similar diseases in adults.

>> sanjay, explain -- there are many symptoms also persist even after a patient recovers from the virus. what are some of those? what does that mean? >> yeah, it's interesting. as we've been doing some reporting on this, first of all, the idea of looking into recovery wasn't the top priority for the first few months. people are trying to figure out what was going on with this disease. now we are starting to see some studies that look at recovery. the world health organization recently said recovery can be six weeks, can even be longer in these patients. and it can be far more significant than people realize. oftentimes patients are sort of thought of, you have the disease or you're recovered. but even during recovery -- and salina talked about this before. 20 to 40% decreased lung function. we talked to a person who was fit, became breathless walking one city block or walking up a flight of stairs. so we don't know still.

obviously this is new for everybody. but whether it's a post-inflammatory state or just true recovery still, it does seem to last longer than people first realized. >> and, doctor, have there been issues in respiratory after patients, quote-unquote, recover? >> it takes weeks. especially our elderly patients where we don't have a safe way to get them home, maybe with oxygen at home, maybe because there is not the support we need to monitor them, we've had to keep them in the hospital for weeks, for well over a month to make sure that they're on the mend. and even then, they can still have some of these complications with, as i said, scarred lung tissue. their lungs just don't open up the way they're supposed to any more. >> dr. gander, thank you so much. sanjay, thank you. appreciate how you show in detail how that works. new york has been hardest

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order for los angeles county could be extended through july. the mayor says there will be some sort of stay at home but the exact permutation of it may change. if that's the case, for the nation's second largest city, we wanted to look at new york city, the biggest city in america where thousands of died and where reopening is still some distance away. joining us now is speaker of the new york city council, cory johnson. thanks for being with us. new york city is obviously not ready to reopen. when you look at new york city, what does reopening look like to you? >> well, we have to make sure we do it in a safe way. and the governor has laid out seven metrics that need to be met before we can open. new york city has met four of those metrics. there are still three metrics that we haven't met. one of them has to do with the number of contact tracers that we've up and going. and i think so much of the conversation around reopening really hinges on making sure we

have the infrastructure in place to do it safely, masks, testing, major contact tracing, hotels and dormitories for those who need it, potentially surveillance that doesn't violate people's civil liberties but that people could opt into, and the mandatory mask wearing, social distancing, plus the hospital capacity. that's what it looks like. anderson, you're a new yorker. the last eight weeks have been very hard. it's eerie in some ways to see an empty times square. and we want to make sure if we do it, we do it safely because it would be psychologically devastating to have a large secondary infection, a spike, which would then require us to start closing things again. >> well, also, i mean, we know this pandemic has hit people of color, underserved communities, particularly hard. and a lot of people in communities of color or underserved communities have been continuing to work on the front lines because they are essential. and, you know, my concern a lot,

and i'm sure you're thinking about this a lot, is for big companies, they're going to have the resources to clean and, you know, maybe do temperature checks. but a lot of smaller companies where people are working for, you know, low wage jobs, they may not put the effort in to, you know, protecting their employees as much as they should. >> yeah, i have that concern. and we have seen really laid bare, because of covid-19 in new york city, all of the inequalities that we had known existed before the structural racism we know exists in america and even in new york city. these essential workers, these health care workers, but especially the grocery store workers, the postal workers, the cops and firefighters, all of these folks continue to put their lives on the line every day. and part of the fear that you just said, anderson, which i share, when we reopen, how do you make sure we're doing it safely? we have 100 mta workers in the

last eight weeks, the subway conductors and bus drivers. we've had more than 50 department of education personnel who have passed away in the last eight weeks. we need to make sure that the way we do this, that we don't do it in a way that the communities that have already beared the biggest brunt of this won't suffer even more as we reopen. >> when we do reopen, whenever this ends, whatever that looks like, i hope we don't forget the people who kept new york going at this time, which are the delivery workers and grocery store clerks. they are the essential workforce and they kept everybody else safe and alive. >> they kept everyone else safe, and i think it's really a moment for us to recognize that these workers are always essential. they're essential outside of a pandemic. they've always been that. and we need to make sure that they are being protected

effectively, but also, anderson, i'm sure you covered it and cnn's been covering it, the bill that has been unveiled today in congress, in the house, would put hundreds of billions of dollars in hazard pay for these workers. we want that hazard pay for the workers in new york city. our health care workers, our grocery workers, our delivery workers. we really need that on top of the state and local aid that new york city needs. the city is looking at an $8 billion deficit in the short term. and it is offensive and indefensible that mitch mcconnell is calling state and local aid a blue state bailout. we need the support for new york city to get back on its feet. >> corey johnson, i appreciate your efforts, thanks very much, i appreciate it. next, we continue to remember those who lost their lives during this pandemic. a member of the navajo nation left her mark, when we continue. it means helping those who serve stay connected to their families.

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tonight we remember more of the lives that have been lot of from this virus. valentina blackhorse was a member of the navajo nation. she aspired to one day become president of the navajo nation. she was close with her family, her sister says her last words to her were "i love you." she leaves behind a 1-year-old

daughter. valentina blackhorse was just 29 years old. celia yap-banago became infected. she originally came from the philippine. she was a devoted mom who never missed her son's baseball and basketball games and loved being a nurse. she was 69 years old. our thoughts go out to their families and all the families of those who have lost loved ones in this pandemic and whose lives have been changed by this pandemic. the news continues. i want to hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." thanks, anderson, i appreciate it as always. welcome to "prime time." the number just between