valentina blackhorse was just 29 years old. celia yap-banago became infected. she originally came from the philippine. she was a devoted mom who never missed her son's baseball and basketball games and loved being a nurse. she was 69 years old. our thoughts go out to their families and all the families of those who have lost loved ones in this pandemic and whose lives have been changed by this pandemic. the news continues. i want to hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." thanks, anderson, i appreciate it as always. welcome to "prime time." the number just between now and august is nauseating.

fauci and the cdc head say we don't have this under control and that reopening may cause outbreaks. states are begging for money to test and trace. red state governors as well echoing the concerns, begging to be able to use federal funds to help in their own way, testing and tracing. when will this president and his pals respond to desperate times with desperate measures? california is. they just made a surprise move, ordering all state university campuses to cancel most in-person classes for the fall. is that too much? is it enough? we'll discuss. also we have another key guest in the georgia homicide case. the man who owns that house that's under construction, the one that ahmaud arbery has been shown walking slowly,

surreptitiously through the house in his final hours. the apparent house that a recused prosecutor suggested arbery burglarized. it's time for the truth. what do you say? let's get after it. 10,000 more people will die potentially from reopening too soon. what a question we have to ask ourselves. is that worth it? now, if you don't like the number, complain to the white house. the key coronavirus model often cited by them projects that by just august, we'll go from the 82,000 plus lives we've already lost to maybe 147,000, due in large part to reopening. now, this estimate is nearly double the forecast of 74,000 from just two weeks ago.

10,000 more than predicted just over the weekend. why? you know why. because that's what happens when you stop socially distancing and isolating. is this what prevailing looks like? even republicans had to admit that we still have not responded, we have not seized the moment when it comes to testing, and that testing is absolutely essential to building the trust we need to reopen. a republican-led senate committee did not perpetuate this president's poppycock. >> what our country has done so far on testing is impressive but not nearly enough. all roads back to work and school go through testing. >> we treaded water during february and march. and as a result, by march 6, the u.s. had completed just 2,000 tests whereas south korea had

conducted more than 140,000 tests. so partially as a result of that, they have 256 deaths and we have almost 80,000 deaths. i find our testing record nothing to celebrate whatsoever. >> ordinarily lamar alexander, head of the committee, you know, mitt romney, the party's one-time choice for president, would be believed. but not now. not now. trump's grip on his party strangulates any gasps of truth even from senior members. despite being wrong consistently, misleading consistently, and outright lying too often, most republicans in our cnn poll still say they trust trump. if only we had the herd immunity to covid-19 that so many of these folks have to the truth. only dr. fauci approaches trump-ish trust with the right. will they listen to him when he

says something that this president has never even come close to suggesting? >> my concern is that we will start to see little spikes that might turn into outbreaks. if if you think we have it completely under control, we don't. >> cdc says the same thing. the proposition is, how can we beat the virus if we can't even get on the same page about how important the fight is? if we can't even agree on what it takes to win? let's bring in dr. sanjay go up to and andy slaven. first, a slap in the face of reality for us. sanjay, 10,000 deaths is the approximated cost of reopening as of now. have you ever seen america make a choice like this before? >> no. no, i don't think most people alive today have ever seen

america make a choice like this. and, you know, i mean, i hate to say it, chris, but these numbers, these models are all over the place. that might even be low. when we saw the numbers sort of jump up in this particular model, they went to 134,000 or something like that, and that was not even taking into account all the states that are opening. we know more people are going to get infected as a result of this reopening and more people are going to probably need to be hospitalized and obviously, sadly, more people will die. i think that that's -- you know, dr. fauci and the task force have been consistent on this all along. we have these criteria. they're not perfect. no matter when you open, there will be new infections. but here's how to do it as safely as possible. those really seem to have been almost completely thrown out of the window at this point. it's baffling, chris. >> andy, what do you make of the idea that it has not changed the stubborn resistance to having to

do anything more, that it's been long enough, even with that number put out there as what it will mean, if you do it now, 10,000 more may die. doesn't change the calculus. why? >> well, chris, i think there are some clues in this in what's going on in the senate right now. first of all i want to commend the senate health committee for a very constructive hearing, really not about politics but about the issues at hand. but the tell is this. mitch mcconnell is asking for one specific thing in order to get a bill negotiated that he sends to the president's desk. that one particular thing is liability for all employers if the economy reopens again and people die or get hurt. that's the one thing he wants. and i think we should step back and understand that what they're effectively saying is, open the country, not at their risk, come back to work, but it's not going

to be on me, if you get injured, if you get sick, if you get hurt, that's going to be on you. and that shows how much confidence they have in what the consequences will be if the economy reopens. they just don't want to pay for it. >> sanjay, what do you think of this? >> i had not heard that before, andy. that is -- it's hard to think about and imagine that way, that people are sort of already thinking about the liability of this, acknowledging that people are going to get and i could si and now just trying to figure out how to deal with it. it's tough, we know people want to the economy to reopen, but to think that far in an advance about this, it's jarring a little bit to hear that, andy. >> i'll tell what you, though. let's stay very sharp in terms of what we know of the mood in the country right now. do people want to reopen? yes. do they want to reopen, andy, if

they do not get the confidence of testing and tracing to understand what is safe and what to base their risk analysis on? every poll says no. so what do we know about the country, and is trump really in step with where americans are? >> well, look. first of all, i think generally speaking, people want to reopen safely. >> right. >> and people are in a bad position either way. and everyone gets that. but here is the point. i think maybe the last important question to me at least is what do people in the country want. and how can we lead people -- because we know there's going to be conflict. we know all of us, including those of us who know that the right thing to do is stay at home, are going to get stir crazy. we'll wish the circumstances are different. and it's at those moments that we need leaders to help guide us there, to pass legislation that supports us, to put in place testing and tracing and

isolation so that we can feel safer. just basically, to tell us we're doing something good, instead of to play into the populist rhetoric or populist sentiment out there and trying to make people happy, even though it leads to people dying. >> it's an interesting juxtaposition, sanjay, the president's thing is about being anti-he wi anti-elitist, 10,000 deaths are the price tag being put on it. who will those 10,000 people be? who is affected the most? the working class. the brown working class. who is afraid of reopening too soon? the brown working class. who is getting sick the most? the brown working class. who is dying the most? they are. there's nothing elitist about that. it's everything that's elitist. >> this is obviously one of the great tragedies here, is that

people who are keeping the country running, making it so we can all be safe at home, with delivery, transportation, the hospital workers, the front line workers, are predominantly black and brown america. i'm from michigan, you know, 14% african-american population, 42% of the deaths in that state are african -- are black or brown americans. so it's obviously disproportionately affecting certain segments of the population. i do think what andy said is very interesting, this idea that everyone is talking about the vaccine, everyone is talking about the therapeutics. if we have the testing in place, because people are going to go stir crazy, people want to go out, even with the best of intentions. if we can start providing some sensitive confidence that they're not harboring the virus in their own bodies, if people around them aren't harboring the virus, it will make it

psychologically more pal atable for people and less likely they'll get sick. i don't know what the right amount of testing is. it's one of the things, you know when it you'll see it. but it will give people confidence to start going out, because they will start doing that at some point. >> we have to make clear what the "it" is. the "it" is people making risk assessments for themselves. america is not sheeple. they're very savvy about what's in their interests. and the only reason to not just on testing is to hide the truth. and the mistake is that it winds up being something where this administration is going to be hoisted on its own petard, the french expression of being blown up by their own bomb that they're carrying. they're hiding from testing because they don't want people to know the truth because they believe the truth will make it harder to reopen when in fact the opposite is the truth, when people know the numbers they'll make their own risk assessments,

and the american people are a ba ballsy people, they'll go out and do what they can. they'll take risks if they're not played with. and right now they know they're being played. sanjay, andy, thank you very much for keeping it real for people on this show. dr. fauci was very cautious today. why? because he has to fear the unknown, not pander to it for advantage. asked about schools, colleges, reopening in the fall, we know we have to do it if we want to go back to work. how can you go back to work if your kids are still at home? california took a big step today, ordering state campuses closed for now. college, but still a huge move. what will it mean? and also let's look at it. was it the right move or too much? another very valued doctor and the head of the cal state system, the perfect guests here next.

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back to school in the fall. that will be the big moment. now, college students, their semester may look a lot like the semester that just ended if they go to school in california because that state today canceled in-person classes at the 23 campuses in their state university system. this is a big move. the man who is at the head of the university system is timothy

white. he is the chancellor of the california state university system. he made the announcement today. we also have dr. william schaafner, a leading infectious disease specialist and friend of show, and a professor at vanderbilt, and on the task force to determine that prestigious university's plan. gentlemen, did you for making yourselves available on such an important night. >> happy to be here, chris. >> so, chancellor, reservations, and if not, what do you believe made this the right move at this time? >> let me be clear. the california state university actually remains open. and we're steadfast in our commitment to inclusive excellence. we stand ready for the next academic year as well. it will just be different in some ways, but not in all ways. and at the front of our list is the health and wellbeing of our

students and employees. it's the most important factor in any decision we make, based on science and data and public health advice and medical advice. we're announcing the planning horizon now because we want to give the maximum time and flexibility to our students, new students and ongoing students, as well as an opportunity between now and the fall for more robust professional training to our faculty and staff, not only for the instructional aspects but also for the vitally important student support services. >> give me a little context, though, chancellor, on two levels. first, why was it in the best interest of the students to not have them be in-person classes, to do it now, with different technological means the way we're doing? why do you think it is necessary to keep it that way in the fall? >> we're a large university. over 500,000 students and about

55,000 employees across an 800-mile swath of california. and, you know, we're concerned with the epidemiology of the disease and what is forecast not only currently. it's starting to stabilize a bit in california, in different regions, but not all. but as we looked to the fall term, we see another wave coming that, coupled with influenza, will be an even more difficult moment than now. when you have 500,000 people in close proximity on a daily basis, interacting with one another, that's not conducive to stopping the spread of the disease. we can't fight covid-19 but we can change the behaviors to minimize the current spread and morbidity and mortality

associated with it. >> you said between 52 and 55,000 workers, depending on how you want to count heads, what does this mean for them? do they keep their jobs? how do you sustain that population? >> it takes the brilliance of our faculty and staff to deliver courses using virtual technology as it does to do it in person. we've pivoted to some of it being in person based on criteria, but a lot of it being done virtually. it still takes the brilliance of faculty, staff, the technology, i.t. folks are doing amazing work to deliver and engage our students with this new reality as we pass through this pandemic, which isn't going to last a month or two or even for another six months or 12 months. this is an approach where we think about this over the course of the next year or two, how do we do our part as the largest

four-year university in the country, to mitigate and still make progress to a degree for our students and have them meet their career objectives sooner rather than later. >> i ask you the second part of that question because you're such a big job base, earnundern the teaching staff, it's important to know you're taking their security into consideration, thank you for that. the burden on you, dr. schaafner, is defending the proposition. people will hear what california is doing and will say, liberal lunacy, things are plateauing and going in the right direction in many parts of the country, we're reopening, we don't know about any wave in the fall, this is way too much, way too soon. what do you say? >> what i say to them is that actually the chancellor has articulated a very conservative

position. he's taking into account the solid forecasts of all of us who are infectious disease doctors and in public health, that there will be a substantial surge of covid in the fall, and of course all of the issues that he's articulated, colleges across the country are thinking about right now, fretting about, trying to make their own decisions. it's true in my own university. i'm a member of one of several task forces that are addressing all the issues and more that chancellor white mentioned. we haven't made our decision yet. but it's not an easy decision. as with all of these things, i say there's no right, no wrong decision, only tough decisions. >> the numbers that came out today, the model that the white house often kriefcites from the university of washington

research, show that reopening now, 10,000 more lives is the current estimate of how many may be lost in addition to the former projections because of reopening. what do you make of that proposition as a choice for america? >> it's an awful choice, because on the other side is all the financial depredation that's been going on. the cultural and social disruption. so it's an exceedingly difficult balancing act. and it's very important as we go forward to look at what the local circumstances are. in our circumstance, looking at what's happening in nashville and tennessee, how well are we controlling this outbreak, that applies to institutions across the country, as each of them is making their own decisions, watching very carefully their own capacity to respond to positive students and all of the

issues related to student housing, dining, teaching the students, all the issues in managing a university, all of those things come to the fore as you try to make these very tough decisions. >> and as dr. fauci said today, the idea that young people are immune, he said there's no basis for that in science. chancellor white, i know it's an important day, a trying day, thank you for making the case to the american people, i appreciate it. good luck going forward. dr. schaffnor, thank you for the value added to the show. >> thank you, chris. the other big story we have to stay on, ahmaud arbery's killing. we caught it on video. if that video hadn't come out, who knows if you would have ever heard about it. but this is the other video. you keep seeing it. i'm running it in real time.

you keep seeing it slowed down. this is why they had to kill him. this is why they had to take the 25-year-old's life. look what he's doing. let's look at what he's doing. his family's attorney says the video inside a home under construction justifies proves that they were unjustified, because how much you slow it down, no matter how much they show it to you, what do you see him do that justifies what they did? let's talk to the man who owns that empty home. what did he believe? what is his experience there? what does he think about how that videotape is being used? his perspective, key. next. rom at&t. i'm back working from home and here to help. hey lily, i'm hearing a lot about 5g. should i be getting excited? depends. are you gonna want faster speeds? i will. more reliability? oh, also yes. better response times? definitely. are you gonna be making sourdough bread?

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guest tonight in this georgia killing case, all right? we're following the investigation of the shooting death of ahmaud arbery. as you know, there is now a second piece of video under scrutiny. it's surveillance footage showing the 25-year-old walking through a construction site that same day. would you call this trespassing? yeah. could you call it justification for what the accused do, the mcmichaels? i don't know how. the mcmichaels, the accused in this case, told police seeing arbery on surveillance footage, were they talking about this? that it triggered their actions. does the owner of the home, mr. larry english agree with that? he joins us alongside his attorney, beth gratty. we're working all the relevant parties every day. governor brian kemp, state attorney general chris carr, the

d.a.'s office, the glynn county police department, all have either said, no thank you, just declined, won't respond, except for the d.a. they sent us a statement saying her office acted appropriately under the circumstances but no comment. we're going to stay on it because we have to know what happened. mr. english, thank you so much for taking this opportunity. i know it's not convenient. i know it is frightening to be in the crosshairs of this situation for you and your family. so thank you for taking the time. >> you're welcome. >> counselor, you as well, thank you for making this possible. mr. english, what is your feeling about the fact that surveillance video of your home in construction has become relevant and used the way you believe it is being used in this situation? >> first off, i would like to say that this is a tragedy, and i'm deeply sorry for the family

and their loss. and also for my family's loss of peace that's been destroyed. we were innocent bystanders in the situation. as far as the video goes, i don't want it to be put out and misused and misinterpreted for people to think that i had accused mr. arbery of stealing or robbery, because i never did. >> you never filed any report, you never called 911 about this video? >> the video of february 23rd, i made no calls. >> do you believe that arbery stole anything from your house that day? >> no, whatsoever. >> now, the mcmichaels told the

police in the police report here that he had been seen, arbery, had been seen on surveillance video. did you share this video with the mcmichaels? >> no. not whatsoever. >> did they know of any past incidents at your construction site? >> i'm not -- i'm not sure about that. >> nothing you told them about? >> no. >> were you aware of any string of burglaries that they say were going on in that neighborhood? because we can't find police records of any string of burglaries in the neighborhood. >> i was. >> and what did you know about what was going on in the neighborhood? >> i only knew secondhand information, that maybe somewhere in the neighborhood of

january, that a vehicle had been entered and some guns taken out of it. >> are you aware that it was the mcmichaels who filed that report? >> no. >> that's what police records show, according to our reporting on this, that they had reported it. do you have any relationship with the mcmichaels, do you have any feel for these gentlemen? >> no. >> have you reported in the past things that happened at your construction site? >> i have. >> what kind of things have happened and what do you think did it? >> the only thing that happened was my cameras were notify me, i would be two hours away and my cameras would notify me that someone was on the property. >> and what have you seen on your property before? how common is it for people to enter the site? >> not very -- i mean, not very common at all in the daytime,

didn't have very much traffic, other than subcontractors and people working there. and that would have been about it. >> and didn't you report, though, that you believe something had been taken from the house but you couldn't identify who did it? >> no. that's a false accusation. >> oh, good to know, thank you very much. so you never reported anything about any fishing equipment or anything like that? >> the instance with the fishing equipment has got blown out of proportion. that was out of a boat, not out of the structure. and i'm not exactly sure when or where that happened. the boat was transported from brunswick to a location, where we live, two hours away. i never filed a report on that because i don't know for sure exactly where it happened. >> boy, you're right, that is getting thrown all over the place as a potential other situation that arbery may have been involved in. and just to be clear, you never

filed it, you've never accused him, and you don't have any reason to believe that ahmaud arbery had anything to do with that? >> that is correct. >> what do you think of the fact that one of your neighbors saw ahmaud trespassing on your property, and it is fair, you have counsel here, although you don't need it, it's great to have you here, beth, you're free to speak where he ever you wane certainly different than the interview i had last night. one of your neighbors called and said he took off from there. how do you feel about them making a report to 911 about what they saw with arbery leaving the property? >> i really don't know exactly how to answer that question. you know, everybody in the neighborhood kind of looks out for each other's property. it's a small, tight-knit

community. >> councilselor, let me get you here for a second. you gave us a statement from larry, just to understand the reckoning of his perspective on this, when larry saw the photos of mr. arbery, his first impression was that arbery was not the man captured on video inside the house on february 23, and that he said that to the neighbor. >> yes. my understanding is that when larry got the alert that the video had come into his phone, it took him about 20 minutes to look at it. and when he did, he called a neighbor just a couple of hours down and said, you know, my video is showing someone's in the house, is there someone there? and the neighbor told him, well, someone was, but he's been killed. and so, you know, by the time larry even sought video, mr. arbery had been killed. and i think it was pretty soon after that that larry saw some

photos of mr. arbery, and he had not known him before, and when he saw those photos, he did not believe it looked like the man who is in the video from february 23. and then subsequently we heard that that probably was him. but my understanding is larry didn't think it resembled him. but larry can speak to that if i've gotten that wrong, but that's my understanding. >> that squares with your reckoning, mr. english? >> yes, correct. >> as i was trying to establish with ronny bryan last night, he's implicated directly in the police report by the mcmichaels, so i was giving him an opportunity, or at least trying to, to explain why they would see him as a part of this. similarly, tonight, i would to afford you the opportunity to distance yourself. just to be clear, you've said you don't know the mcmichaels. >> i do not. i know of travis. i only know him from just one

introduction and that was a short, brief introduction. >> but you had nothing to do with what triggered their interest in mr. arbery on february 23? >> he wasn't even there that day. he was two hours away. >> you weren't there, you didn't speak to them on the phone, you didn't give them access to the surveillance video, you couldn't contact them and tell them what had been seen on your home? >> no. >> mr. english, i appreciate you taking this opportunity, because we're not getting anything from the authorities, we're having to figure out, and look, this is the job of journalism, who knew what, who didn't know what. and it's very important, especially because your home has become a focal point of this, it's important to get your perspective about what you did and didn't do. you've been very helpful in that regard and i'm sorry for you to be involved in any of this, i'm sure it's not easy for your family either and i'm surety arberys will appreciate your condolences. thank you, mr. english. >> thank you for having us.

>> and counselor, thank you for having the courtesy to make this happen and trusting it would be about the truth. appreciate it. >> good night. >> good night. now, there's more information here. arbery's autopsy is out. why do we need that, we know what happened. but how it happened in terms of detail and sequencing is not going to be as simple as you assume. i guarantee you, the autopsy will be a factor in testing the accused reckoning that they were attacked, okay? we're going to look at that autopsy through that lens and whether or not there was prosecutorial misconduct early on, not just inaction, but bad action. let's do cuomo's court. we have laura coates, next. wayfair has way more ways to renovate your home,

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we know how he died. but there can be very important information to use as a prosecutor. what will this autopsy mean? >> well, first of all, how disturbing, we know there was a shotgun in close range, where they is say at least, what, 13 shotgun pellets exited his body and 11 were found in the wounds, two in his chest and one on the wrist? the reason that's important is you want to look at what transpired. was he in a struggle? the idea of his wrist being injured, was it a defensive wound trying to block his body? was it him trying to get the gun away from himself? how close range was involved? also important to look at is the number of shots that were fired. the number of shots being fired can indicate to you just how much are they act of self-defense as being claimed and whether it's meritorious for travis mcmichael. you would think the idea of whether it's a gun that has a rapid sort of trigger function

or one that requires you to load each time or one that requires you to do it in succession, it's all very important to understand just what was at play and whether this was somebody trying to get away or somebody who was intent on harming and killing, ultimately, ahmaud arbery. >> the ballistics analysis may show if the gun was pump fired, the defense is, it doesn't matter, it's a stand your ground state, it's all fine. is the analysis that simple? >> no, it's not. in order for it to be a stand your ground state, you have to understand whether it's applicable here. this idea that even in self-defense or stand your ground, you cannot provoke the circumstances that lead to the aggression and then play the victim card. the law is there in order to ensure that people who have been victimized are not required to retreat, are not required to run away. but in the scenario we're playing out here, in the scenario you're seeing in the videotape and the footage as

it's being explained, is the victim in this particular instance is ahmaud arbery. the idea of him standing his brown would be the actual inquiry of him trying to run away. but mcmichael is trying to claim it was wholly self-defense. it's inconsistent with what the law actually says and stands for. >> now, the other big thing we're hunting down here is whether or not the mcmichaels were fabricating their basis of suspicion, not that it would help them, but the idea that they saw him on surveillance video. larry english says he never shared the surveillance video or anything about it with the mcmichaels. there was somebody who called 911 about arbery trespassing in the englishes' house.

how fundamental to this case is the basis that the mcmichaels acted upon and the truth of it? >> it's fundamental to if their basis was that they heard about somebody who was committing a crime in the neighborhood and the tragedy of that interview just gave with larry english is the idea that the person that they presumably were trying to protect or trying to act in the interest of had no interest in pursuing it. did not report it. was not invested. the first time he heard of that, he actually saw a young man had already been killed and rolled over on the street to make sure he didn't have a weapon, according to the police report, by these two men. so the idea of what you see here what's fundamental is whether or not it goes to the georgia statute. the citizens arrest, chris, only applies if you have immediate knowledge or actually observed a crime taking place. if nobody has reported to them

about their being a surveillance video capturing anybody either trespassing or doing anything whatssuffer, it undermines any argument they had met that requisite element of it being their immediate knowledge or they had a firsthand observation. what it does speak to, instead, is they believe they were somehow deputized to act in this way, to have shotguns to pursue somebody who was trying to run away. and one more point, chris, it's so important here. when ahmaud arbery was trying to run away, he ran back toward the direction he was coming from, as in back to what they are perhaps claiming was the scene of some crime in some way. not only was he running down the street at 1:00 in the afternoon. it is inconsistent that he would actually return to a place as if he was a fleeing criminal. all of it speaks to a tragedy, and probably the reason why, chris, more than 70 days transpired, and this is the best story they can come up with? i find that odd. >> well, two other things are odd. we've now heard from three different angles on this of the reporting.

the only other break-in that anyone seems to know about for sure is the one the mcmichaels reported. according to martin savage's recording about their own vehicle and what they said was a stolen firearm. was that part of their motivation? did they blame arbery for that? because we also know that they had experience with arbery. this is going to be a big part of this story as we fill in the blanks going forward and no one helps better with that than you. laura coates, thank you. let's take a quick break. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. don't bring that mess around here, evan! whoo! don't do it. don't you dare. i don't think so! [ sighs ] it's okay, big fella. we're gonna get through this together. [ baseball bat cracks ] nice rip, robbie. ♪ raaah!

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hey, a belated happy mother's day. was nice of the love gov. to bring our mama into the presser sunday. there was actually an important

message for all of us in that moment once you were able to get past this desperate cry for help. >> so, happy mother's day, grandma. >> i know i am your favorite. i know you don't want to say that because you have maria there. i know you want to see -- i know i'm your favorite deep down inside but you don't want to say it. >> yap, yap, yap, yap, yap. poor guy. if he needs to hear it so badly, can it really be true? but i digress. for me, the taller, stronger son who provided my parents with their only grandson who is named mario after my pop, it's not about what my mother sees in me, but what i see in her that matters tonight, and, frankly, what we all see in our mothers. we celebrate them not just because of how they treat us, but in how they treat themselves, their sacrifice. ask my mama why and she'll give you an answer with one word, familia. family. we take care of family because we're devoted to something bigger than them or us. the cause of the collective.

but right now the american family is in a period of dysfunction, we're estrangerd ad acting strangely. 10,000 more americans could die by august because so many places are relaxing social distancing? what happened to no man left behind? now it's 10,000 is okay? look, it's common sense that that's what would happen. you don't need the models to tell you that. if you stop social distancing. that's why those who attack this reality do it with snark and cynical self-interest, like senator rand paul did today. >> we never really reached any sort of pandemic levels in kentucky and other states. we have less deaths in kentucky than we have in-in an average flu season. it's not to say this isn't deadly, but, really, outside of new england, we've had a relatively benign course for this virus nationwide. >> remember, that beard, that's paul's covid beard. he had the virus.

he still seems to be suffering from a type of sickness, but one of the soul. does he really think that he has no obligation to anyone but his state? america's never won by going every man and woman for themselves. only when we are all-in do we win. we are not prevailing. not until we show the desperation to get tracing and testing. until that, we'll be failing because we're failing to give the truth to the people which will give them the trust they need to reopen. you can't wish a virus away. it won't miraculously disappear. the president traces and tests every damn day. and everyone around him has a mask on. now, he doesn't because he wants to keep up the fox farce, this bs that covid-19's overrated. i guess the anti-elitists over there are okay with 10,000 more dead. these liars and race baiters

want you to think fauci is not to be believed, that social distancing is about stealing your freedom. remember what your mother told you about people who have nothing good to say. they should say nothing at all. but more importantly, remember what our moms taught us in their own glorious example of love and action through giving, even when it's hard, even when it hurts, because that's what family is all about. thank you for watching. "cnn tonight" with d. lemon right now. >> how are you, sir? >> better than i deserve. >> i always -- it's interesting to me when i see the people yelling in the supermarket or wherever saying, you can't tell me to wear a mask! and i always say, can't they tell you to wear pants? what's the difference? you can't go in the store naked. no shirt and no shoes, no service. what's the difference, chris? >> well, i think that the difference would be, to argue their cause, one is about human