to. >> kim wyman, secretary of state of the state of washington, who has proven that elections can work by mail and be fair. kim, thank you so much for joining us. good luck in the year ahead. thanks for joining us here today, too. we'll see you back here again tomorrow. busy news day. don't go anywhere. brianna keilar is picking up our coverage right now. i'm brianna keel year and this is cnn's special live coverage of the coronavirus pandemic. and we begin with some breaking news. the former head of the government's vaccine efforts ousted from his job will warn congress that 2020 will be the, quote, darkest winter in modern history, if the u.s. does not coordinate its response. we'll have more on that in just a moment. first, though, a snapshot of where we are right now. with 48 states on track to be partially reopened by this weekend, most are reporting a downward trend with rates of new cases and deaths both declining nationally. but in influential model, often cited by the white house, is making a pretty staggering

projection, and that is that 147,000 americans will die as a result of covid-19 by august 4th. this is 10,000 more projected deaths from just this past weekend, and it's double what was projected two weeks ago. here in washington, d.c., today extending its stay-at-home order until june, so we'll be breaking down these maps for you in just a moment. but first, let's talk about that warning, that new warning from the former head of the government's vaccine efforts. cnn's kaitlan collins is live for us at the white house. i'm also joined by cnn medical analyst, dr. seema yasmin. what more is rick bright planning to tell congress? >> reporter: well, we know about the allegations of retaliation that rick bright has made. he did it in a formal statement. he did it in that complaint that he filed last week. but what's new in this opening statement that we got a hold of ahead of his testimony tomorrow is basically his warning about just how unprepared the u.s. was going into this pandemic and how unprepared it was to confront the pandemic, but he's also

warning about what's to come. and he lays out a series of steps in this opening statement where he says, basically, if these steps aren't taken and other measures that experts have recommended, he says that this winter could be one of the darkest in modern american history, basically saying it's going to get a lot worse if these steps are not taken. now, he says there is also retaliation. he talks about the fact that he tried to warn hhs leadership, he says, about a lack of resources going on, but he says that those warnings from him back in january in the early months, he says were confronted with hostility, especially when he then went to a white house senior adviser. that's peter navarro, of course, we have also learned. and so, it's going to be really interesting to see him tomorrow under testimony talking about what was actually going on inside the administration, though we should note, hhs has pushed back on these allegations in his complaint. they say that they're not true, but they're not really commenting any further than that right now, because they say it's an ongoing investigation that's happening.

>> very interesting reporting. and i wonder, to you, doctor, a description of the darkest winter in modern history that we're going to be hearing from dr. bright. what would that entail? >> so, i've looked at the comments he plans to make to congress tomorrow, obtained early by cnn. and for sure, the language is dramatic, but for me, as someone who's investigated epidemics, it really resonates, mostly because when you are in an epidemic investigation, you are always behind where you think you are. so, say you've counted 85,000 deaths. there will be more. say you believe that there are a million confirmed cases. you will have missed a proportion of people just because of the intubation period of the virus, and also, there's a lag time between when someone's infected to when there is enough virus in their body for a test to detect and to come up positive. what he's talking about here is losing the woech of opportunity, ahe mentioned. he also warns about the lack of

a coordinated national response that's based on science. and that's where this prediction of a looming disaster comes from, as if things weren't already terrible. >> that's right. kaitlan, i wonder, because you know, we've heard from health experts on the task force who walk the fine line of not angering the president. dr. bright is no longer incumbered by that burden. so what are we expecting tomorrow? what's that going to look like? how's the white house going to respond? >> reporter: yeah, and one thing to keep in mind as you're watching him testify tomorrow is he's still trying to get his job back as the head of this vaccine agency. he wants to be reinstated to that position. and we know the office that's investigating his claim says early on, it looks like it is retaliation. and so, they've recommended that he be put back in that role while they continue the next 45 days or so of investigations. so, people aren't really expecting him to hold anything back tomorrow when he is testifying, though of course, internally, we've heard pushback to the allegations against him, from complaints against him inside that agency, which he and

his team responded by giving us his reviews. and we looked at those, and he actually got high ratings from one of the hhs leaders that he clashed with the most. that's bob kadlec. so, that will be notable. but also, if you look at this opening statement today, he talks about things like informing the public about basic things like what hand washing, certain protective measures like wearing a mask can do. he also talks about a national testing strategy, which is something that we know many lawmakers and governors say they don't feel has been properly developed and isn't ready for the nation that is now trying to reopen. and so, those things will be interesting to see, you know, just what the lawmakers press him on, on those types of things, and what he has to say about, you know, people who are still working inside this administration and still dealing with this pandemic response. >> all right, kaitlan, great reporting today. thai, kaitlan collins and dr dr. yasmin, for your perspective. we want to look at the key

states and go to tom foreman, who is tracking the numbers for us. tell us what you're seeing, tom. >> reporter: let's look at the big picture first. if you look at the number of new cases in the country based on data from johns hopkins, you can say that it is showing the right kind of trend -- fewer new cases coast to coast for the first time, really. we're just beginning to move that way. this is a new sort of movement right now. if you go beyond that and you look at the number of deaths that are happening. remember, it wasn't that long ago, we were up over 2,000 a day, well over that. now we're looking at something below 1,500 in the latest number. those are big overall good trends. but now look at this map of the united states, because we don't live all over the country. we each live in our own community. and this really tells you something. because if you look at the color coding here, it's as you'd expect. the darkest red states have it the worst. the ones that are the brightest green, i guess, or the darkest green, they have it the best. so some places still getting hit hard in terms of numbers going

up. arkansas down there in the south and the southeast. you can see there are a couple other hotspots there, north caroli carolina, alabama not looking so good. some of the others holding steady. some actually moving down. up in the middle of the country, top-middle, northern area, that's where you get into south dakota having bad numbers right now, north dakota and minnesota next door also not looking terrifically great. the worst ones, the dark red states, you have to look over there and you can see tiny delaware is the third state really getting hammered at the moment. then the other red states, you go out west. the west actually looks pretty solid right now with the exception of oregon having some troubles out there. now, does all this mean, even if you look at this map, even if your state looks pretty good, does this mean that, somehow, things are actually better where you are? well, they're relatively better compared to what we saw before. this is why so many health experts are warning people to

say, don't think that because you're moving the right direction or that you get some better news in your state, that that suddenly means a return to everything as normal. this is -- if you were in school and you were failing a course and you did a bunch of extra credit work, you might get up to a "c." that doesn't mean that you're where you want to be. it means you still have a lot of work in front of you. so, these maps are encouraging because they would suggest that there is progress in the right direction. it doesn't mean that any state out there, any community, is yet at the point where they can throw up their hands and say, we've done our job, we're finished, it's all good. there are likely going to be many weeks, many months ahead where it's going to take a lot of work to get everyone pointed the right direction. and simply put, we are so mobile as a society. as we become more mobile again, as we open things up, the state lines will not make any difference. what will make a difference is our contact with other people

and the ability of everyone to help solve this. >> yeah. thank you, tom, for breaking down that map and giving us that important sort of qualifier there at the end. i want to bring back dr. seema yasmin to talk about this. i mean, to tom's point, dr dr. yasmin, some states, you might be looking at your state and saying, this is good, we're doing well, coming down in cases. but the fact is, there are a lot of states that are still at the point that is much higher than where they were prompting the shutdowns of their states in the first place. >> that's right, briana. and as an epidemiologist, i worry about the big-picture data, because when you lump the data from lots of states together, some individual states can skew the data and make the national picture actually look inaccurate. so, let's take new york as an example. that state was really badly hit. it was the epicenter of the u.s. pandemic for a while.

now, as the numbers start to go down in new york, which is great news, but you add that new york data into the national data set, it makes it look like nationally the numbers are going down everywhere. and actually, if you pull new york out of the national data set, the number's actually on the rise nationally. and that's why it's really important to look at individual states to make sure we're not skewing the data by looking at all of the data together, all of the time. and i'm here in california, where just this week we were told that cases are increasing and that the projections for the number of expected deaths are higher this week than we thought about last week. so, at any given moment, things can change, especially as many states start to reopen. and of course, viruses don't stop at state lines, don't stop at borders, don't stop outside the white house. we are all susceptible, so we need to make sure that we're doing our part to help the numbers trend downwards. >> and the world health organization, dr. yasmin, just

said that the virus could become endemic. it may never go away. what does that look like moving forward in the years to come? >> so, that could look like a scenario quite similar to the h1n1 that caused a pandemic in 2009. it was the first time we saw that strain of flu. it caused devastation in 2009 and '10, but now we've seen it circulate just like any seasonal flu strain. the same thing could happen with this coronavirus. it's completely new to us right notch. our immune systems have never been exposed, so it's causing a global pandemic, but it could be a scenario, as w.h.o. says, where in subsequent years, this virus doesn't quite go away, but it also doesn't cause damage to this extent. that's one potential scenario. >> all right. dr. yasmin, thank you so much, as always. >> thank you. parents and students right now are on edge as the cal state university system becomes the first big university system in the country to cancel in-person classes this fall.

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students at california's two main university systems are not likely to return to campus after summer. this is a decision not to reopen that goes against what we're seeing across much of the country, as states are continuing to reopen and many other schools insist that they will find a way to bring students back in the fall. the cal state university system and university of california campuses have been closed since march. joining me now is lynette zalezny, president of cal state university in bakersfield. the system announcing yesterday it intended to continue remote learning in the fall. and i know that you're so glad this decision was made now. i know it was a tough one that was made. tell us why you're happy to hear that this decision has been made so far out. >> well, good morning. it's a joy to be with you this morning. and we're very, very pleased that the announcement by chancellor white for the largest system in the nation, the california state university

system, which makes up 23 universities, is able to now again prioritize health and safety for our students, faculty, and staff, but it also gives us time to prepare for high-quality education, because we are still open in the csu. and in fact, our enrollments, csub, are high coming into the fall. so, we're very eager to again work with our faculty and staff to make sure that we have very, very high-quality education for our students that will be with us in the fall. >> what does that look like, high-quality education that you're providing at a distance? >> so, we have really gone to virtual very brilliantly here at cal state bakersfield. our faculty had advanced training so that they were able to deliver their course work in alternative formats, and it varies. it could be a zoom call. it could be that we're engaging with students in other digital formats. but we'll be using the summer with our faculty and with our staff for that additional

training. also, we want to take the time to make sure our incoming students, our freshmen in particular, and our transfer students, have the technology and the access they need as we move into the fall. it really allows us to have maximum amount of time so that we have that high-quality choice for students coming to the csu. >> you're aware as a college administrator, you're aware how difficult it can be to have that shock of coming in as a freshman, or as you mentioned, a transfer student. are you concerned that you are going to, say, lose more students who are freshmen or who are transfer students because they're coming in, and instead of being on campus or commuting to campus, they're going to be doing this remotely without the other aspects that college life offers? >> well, we're certainly very hopeful that we'll be back to that collegiate experience here as the pandemic comes forward with a vaccine and we are able

to ensure the health and safety of all of our people here at the university. but looking at my numbers just this morning, we are still overenrolled as of fall. this is not the time for students to pause. this is the time for students to continue with their education. and what we're finding here at csu bakersfield is our students have a lot of grit, they're hard workers, and they know that this is a very good response, given the situation that we are in. and by and large, our students have really moved forward with a lot of resilience. and we're very, very proud of them. so, for those new students coming in, they will know that they'll have wrap-around services. they'll be delivered in a different way, but we have support services in the health center. we have those enrollment advisers and counselors that are available to them, and their advisers and faculty are there giving the support that they'll need. so, this is a new day. but again, students continue to

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some businesses requiring customers to wear masks are facing major resistance, and sometimes even violence. let's take a look at this video of a fight breaking out at a target in van nuys, california. police say that two men were refusing to wear masks inside the store, so a target employee started escorting them out. and then suddenly, one of the customers turned and punched the employee. and then a fight erupted with the target employee suffering a broken arm. l.a. police say the two male suspects are charged now with felony battery. several major u.s. airlines are acknowledging that those new mask policies may actually be difficult to enforce. there's a united airlines memo emphasizing avoiding confrontation. it urngs flight attendants to, quote, use their de-escalation skills or change noncompliant passengers' seating. and from american airlines, a memo instructing flight attendants to encourage passengers to comply with the mask requirement, but, quote, do

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administration to come out and say, look, this is what you have to do. two trump cabinet members, including elaine chao, the transportation secretary, you've asked for this guidance making mask-wearing mandatory. have you gotten a response? have you gotten any feedback on that? >> we've had some engagement with the administration and we have been talking with them throughout this process. but we really need them to pull together a task force that would normally be put together in a situation like this to put in place emergency procedures so that we can all be safe in air travel. the fact of the matter is that air travel is essential. it helps to fight the virus. but what we want to make sure is that we're not adding to the spread of the coronavirus through air travel and that we are also using this time to put safety policies in place so that when we start to reopen up our economy again, even before we have a vaccine, people understand what to expect and they understand the steps that we're going to take in aviation to keep people safe.

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congressman, tell us, what's your biggest concern here about the president heading to your state, which we should mention, this is outside of your district, but what's your concern? >> yeah, thanks for having me. he will be apparently just about an hour away from where i am here in philadelphia. this is a thinly veiled campaign stop to one of the most important battleground states come november. this is not a time for campaigning. there will be plenty of time for that, the summer and the fall. the focus of a president right now should be solving this problem. in the united states, we have more cases than every major european country combined. this has been an unmitigated disaster from this white house and a real absence of leadership. so i'm calling on the president, cancel the visit tomorrow. don't put other people at risk, given how many people are involved in any presidential visit, and instead, stay at home, do your job, get us closer

to solving this unbelievable crisis. >> the president tweeted this on monday. he said, "the great people of pennsylvania want their freedom now, and they are fully aware of what that entails. the democrats are moving slowly all over the u.s. for political purposes. they would wait until november 3rd if it were up to them. don't play politics. be safe, move quickly!" what's your reaction to that? >> i can't for the life of me figure out what exactly the white house message is, because you'll have responsible figures like dr. fauci at these press conferences give guidance that we shouldn't reopen or we should do it in a very careful, kind of a staged way going from red to yellow, yellow to green, which is what we're doing here in pennsylvania. and then you'll have the president, who is ostensibly the head of the white house, going on twitter saying the exact opposite things, tweeting "liberate michigan," liberate various other states, calling on pennsylvania to reopen, even

though the guidance his own white house has released would argue the exact opposite. so, the mixed messages from this white house only add to the level of confusion that is out there. >> dr. fauci, who you mentioned, testified in front of a senate committee yesterday, the health committee, and he largely warned about cases spiking again. there were some fox news hosts who were critical of his testimony. let's listen to that. >> is this the guy you want to chart the future of the country? maybe not. this is a very serious matter, the decisions we're making right now. tony fauci has not been elected to anything. some people seem to think he should be dictator for the duration of this crisis. that's insanity! >> fauci, to be very blunt, is the face of this failed administrative state, i think we've got to question the entire premise of this. >> the chief buffoon -- >> dr. anthony fauci also seems to favor what the democrats want, and that is massive

restrictions with no end in sight. >> all due respect to dr. fauci's expertise, no one elected him to anything. >> i do want to mention that these are actually hosts who downplayed coronavirus initially and changed their tune to that. but as you look at this kind of concerted effort on right-wing media to target dr. fauci, what do you make of that? >> yeah, well, first, let's just be clear, dr. fauci is not a partisan figure. he's worked for six different presidents, beginning with president reagan, i believe. and only now, suddenly, recently on the far right do you have this effort to paint him as somehow some partisan democrat. he clearly isn't. you know, i think that for the folks that watch fox news and maybe in march and even early april didn't take this seriously and then behaved accordingly and went on to contract this awful

virus, let's stop and really think about just how irresponsible that is and how some figures on fox news and other areas in the far right ended ended up breathing out rhetoric and spewing out rhetoric with disastrous consequences. there is a reason we are by far the leader in the category of -- >> congressman, brendan boyle, thank you for joining us. >> all right, thank you. we'll have some more on our breaking news. the ousted vaccine chief set to warn congress that the trump administration was unprepared and the window is closing to prevent, quote, unprecedented death. plus, a father and son buried together after the coronavirus spread through their family. and one state in particular seeing an alarming surge in cases in the latino community. we'll tell you why. ♪ limu emu & doug

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a young man sat bedside saying good-bye to his dad who died of coronavirus and 16 days later, they were buried together. miguel moran, an immigrant from el salvador washed trucks to provide for his family and after he fell ill and was sent to the hospital, doctors warned him he did not have much time. after he passed, his only son daniel with four other family members were allowed into the hospital to say good-bye. we're told that daniel prayed by his father's bedside and he cried and he told his father

that one day, he'd join him in heaven. he later told his sister since many of the victims are hispanic and african-americans, he vowed not to end up intubated like his dad but days later, the entire family tested positive and daniel never made it to the hospital alive. he was pronounced dead in the very place that he told his dad good-bye. the latino community in rhode island in particular is on edge and growing concern as new coronavirus concern show they represent half of the state's cases. latinos make up 16% of the rhode island's population. the numbers show they account for 44% of coronavirus cases. i want to talk to dr. pablo rodriguez. he is the medical director of community affairs at care new england and a member of the rhode island task force that's trying to understand why the latino community has been hit so hard. doctor, thank you for joining us. >> thank you for bringing attention to this issue,

brianna. >> of course. i wonder, what has been the reaction there of the latino community in rhode island when they're starting to realize what these statistics mean for them. >> this is very, very scary for most latinos here and for the entire community, we are part of this community. and to see numbers that are dwarfing those in the bronx, in new york city, in the city of san, 70% latinos, is very, very scary. we have places now where 35% of the tests are turning out positive. i am convinced that the people most at risk are actually not coming forward because they are afraid of coming forward because of their status as undocumented or just afraid of losing their jobs. these people need to work in order to support their families, and they find it very, very

scary to return to conditions that put them at risk. >> why is there this disparity in infection rates? >> well, it's pretty clear. the social parts of health are pointed to right here in this epidemic. these are people that have low educational opportunities, economic opportunities, they have to go out to work. they can't work from home in many of the service or the manufacturing jobs they have. they also live in cramped conditions, so you work under cramped conditions and then you go home and infect the rest of the family. so this epidemic has not abated at all in immigrants and latino communities, especially here in rhode island. and i am very, very concerned. we are very concerned, a lot of leaders of the community are

very concerned about opening the economy prematurely without the supports that we need. people need to be supported during this time. we can't just be testing people, telling them they're positive and then sending them back to the conditions that made them in the first place. we need to provide for supportive quarantine. we need to provide for financial support, if they need, and this has to be done at the level of the town. >> i wondered, yesterday, we listened to senator rand paul and he was saying that public schools should reopen because the mortality rate for children who get covid is low. he was also saying school is essential, of course, for students who are lower so-so s or latino.

but they have multigenerational homes, they're more likely to have that. does that worry you when you're talking about sending kids back to school and they're going home where grandma or grandpa might be? >> that is absolutely ridiculous of senator paul. he's a doctor too. about saying that schools are safe at this point. number one, we are learning every day about this disease and now we have the cases of kawasaki disease. children live with adults. children live with the grandma, the grandpa, and they become vectors of infection. and number three, mortality is not the issue. latinos are young, so here in