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but they have multigenerational homes, they're more likely to have that. does that worry you when you're talking about sending kids back to school and they're going home where grandma or grandpa might be? >> that is absolutely ridiculous of senator paul. he's a doctor too. about saying that schools are safe at this point. number one, we are learning every day about this disease and now we have the cases of kawasaki disease. children live with adults. children live with the grandma, the grandpa, and they become vectors of infection. and number three, mortality is not the issue. latinos are young, so here in
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rhode island, 88% of them are under age 60. they only represent a small percentage of those who are dying, but they have three times the chance of becoming hospitalized. so if what we're trying to do is to really flatten the curve so we don't overwhelm the health care system, the last thing you want is for more people to get infected regardless of the age, and especially if we're talking about latinos. you don't want latinos to get infected. >> all right, dr. pablo rodriguez, we really appreciate you joining us. thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. we're going to continue with cnn's special coverage of the coronavirus pandemic in just a moment. i'm brianna keilar. the darkest winter in modern u.s. history, one with unprecedented illness and fatalities, that is the jaw dropping warning from rick bright who led a key federal
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agency coronavirus vaccine until ousted who filed the whistleblower complaint alleging retaliation by the trump administration set to testify before congress tomorrow, and his message will be clear. the government needs to fix its response now to avoid more tragedy, and bright isn't the only person issuing a warning about a potential spike in covid-19 cases and deaths. for the second time in just a few days, a key model often cited by the white house is projecting an increase in u.s. deaths to 147,000 by early august. this is a jump of 10,000 projected deaths from its last update just days ago, but let's start now with the whistleblower warning. here with me now, cnn chief political analyst gloria borger and secnn senior medical correspondent, elizabeth cohen. gloria albright said it's painfully clear we were not as prepared as we should have been. we're expecting him to unload a
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giant dose of reality, aren't we? >> we are. and it's potentially damning for the administration. this is somebody on the inside at the outset of this. and what he is saying is that we forgot some of our playbook and completely antithetical to what the administration has been saying. the administration is saying nobody could have gotten on this any sooner. the president is saying nobody could have predicted this, and of course, the previous administration left him high and dry. there actually was a pandemic playbrianna, and dr. bright confirms that right now. so i think this is so different from the message that the administration is giving the american public. i think people are going to have to take notice. >> and elizabeth, bright is warning of the darkest winter. his main concern is that he does not see a national testing
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strategy from the administration. it seems like we've heard that over and over not just from him. when he's talking about the darkest winter, i mean, what would that look like? >> it's hard to know what exactly he's referring to, but let's talk a bit about this national testing strategy. president trump has actually said that he wants to leave a lot of these testing decisions and acquiring tests to the state government. he seems to be saying, we do not have a national testing strategy, and that's really a problem because testing is so central and has been so, to use a technical term, messed up from the beginning, if you don't test, you don't know where the virus is. it's also a problem when one state does a lot of testing and another state doesn't do much, it looks like the state may have the virus when it may be they're being more responsible in doing more testing. if you don't test, you don't know who the enemy is or where the enemy is. you have to keep testing.
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without that strategy, it's hard to fight that enemy. >> i'm stealing that term, that technical term, messed up, from you elizabeth. we found out some breaking news. the white house has been using a rapid covid test developed by abbott labs. this is the one they're using for the president, they're using it for visitors and a new study actually suggests it doesn't work that well. so what do you make of that? >> right, president trump seems very personally invested in this test. he has talked about what a great test it is, by name, the abbott test. so there have been studies out there that show that it is not picking up all positive cases. that it is not as good as other tests are. now a study coming out just today from new york university where they put the abbott test next to another test and found that the abbott test was missing positive results. these were results found to be positive by the other test from people who had symptoms of covid. this really, and they missed a
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lot of them. that calls into question, is the white house using a test that is missing a lot of positive cases? i spoke to one infectious disease expert, peter hotez, on our network often, it's time for calling an audible on the tests. he said that's when the quarterback says, wait a second, we have to change everything. i learned something, and what he's saying, may be time for the white house to consider using a different test. >> you're cracking me up with that, elizabeth. do you think they'll change tactics at the white house? clearly, they should. >> i think right now, this test -- >> i'm sorry, gloria, go ahead. >> go ahead, elizabeth. >> i think right now, the white house is kind of invested in the abbott test and the president said that he feels safe because everybody who comes into contact with him is tested.
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then that's a problem for them. so i'm not the white house physician. i have no idea, elizabeth, i think you may have some thoughts about what they ought to do here, but if this is whatare use to protect the president and the vice president, i bet they're thinking twice about it now. >> elizabeth, gloria, thank you so much. i've missed you both, by the way. so it's great to see you both. >> i miss you too. >> i really do his ymiss you gu by this weekend, 48 states partially reopened and as of now, numbers show the rates of new cases and deaths are on the decline nationally but the decision to ease social distancing raised new questions how to return to everything from the classroom to the ball field. cnn's erica hill has more on this. erica? >> reporter: hey, brianna. good afternoon. we heard that iowa is going to lift restrictions in 22 counties
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that had not yet had them lifted on friday, and we're seeing more states move forward, we're also hearing today from the w.h.o. that said this virus could become andemmic. it may be here to stay. a reminder we're trying to figure out how to live with it. this picturesque college campus will be quiet in september. >> it is the right call, looking at the safety of our student body population. >> reporter: california state university system sticking with distance learning this fall. impacting nearly half a million students. >> we found that in order to maintain social distancing guidelines, we would have to reduce the capacity of our classrooms to 25% of the normal levels. >> reporter: for school-age children, the answer on when and how they'll return to the classroom isn't yet clear. >> probably smaller classrooms, more distancing, teacher probably wearing a mask. >> i have 39 kids in my classroom one year. how are you going to socially
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distance 39 kids? >> reporter: the cdc, in the meantime, preparing for a new inflammatory illness in children possibly linked to covid-19 which can present weeks after the virus. >> we just have to remember, we have more to learn about the virus than we have yet learned. >> reporter: new york state is investigating 100 cases in school-age children. across the country, americans seeing grocery prices rise to the highest levels in nearly 50 years. as more states navigate their next phase, experts are watching for new cases. georgia and south carolina, two of the first to reopen, mostly flat. south dakota posting some of the highest spikes along with arkansas and delaware. new orleans, once a major hot spot, allowing some businesses to reopen this weekend. restaurants told to keep customers' contact information for 21 days to aid with potential contact tracing. as the push for a measured approach continues.
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>> opening up prematurely just sets us up for a big outbreak, which will force us to shut down again. so if you care about not being shut down, we should really let science drive how we open up safely. >> reporter: washington, dc extending its stay at home order until june 8th. colorado's tourism office asking out of state visitors to stay home. arizona announcing professional sports can return this weekend, while new cnn polling shows americans are split on whether players should suit up. as for fans, new information about how cheering could increase the spread of covid-19. >> if you're yelling and screaming in supporting your team, those people in the spray zone of your voice, you're putting them in danger. >> reporter: outside st. louis, an experiment in socially distant baseball. >> it's weird. >> it doesn't feel normal. >> disinfectant in the normal. distant umpires and fans.
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weird but worth it. >> reporter: of course, a lot of kids and parents hoping maybe there could be some sports this summer. that is a big question mark in much of the country, brianna. as for schools, we did just hear a short time ago from new york governor andrew cuomo can't talk about september because he doesn't know what's going to happen in june. he's still waiting to hear back. he asked districts around the state to offer some of their ideas to him. >> the spray zone. i mean, i've never quite thought about that, it's graphic but such a real thing. erica hill, the spray zone. thank you for that report, and ahead -- new revelations show how florida avoided the same suffering as new york in the outbreak. i'll speak with a gym owner who received four criations in two days for reopening. more states report new cases of the mysterious syndrome in children, likely connected to coronavirus, the cdc set to warn doctors about this. this is cnn's special live coverage.
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chairman paul manafort out of prison and back home, news coming after attorneys requested his release due to the coronavirus pandemic. more now from cnn's josh campbell. >> reporter: brianna, high profile prison release announced today, none other than than president trump's former campaign manager paul manafort, in jail, sentenced over seven years on tax evasion and other charges, that of course, stemming from the investigation by special counsel robert
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muller. manafort's attorney wrote a letter to the bureau of prisons asking for early release saying his underlying medical conditions put him at significant risk of contracting covid-19. the prisons agreed. he's now out and in home confinement, coming as criminal justice reforms calling for early release of non-violent offenders who remain significantly vulnerable as this deadly virus continues to spread like wildfire through the nation's jails. >> josh campbell, thank you so much. cdc preparing to release an alert that warns doctors to be on the lookout for a mysterious illness that could be linked to coronavirus in children. marked by persistent fever, inflammation and poor function in one or more organs. first reported in new york, most states now reporting some of these cases and dr. mary beth's son the director of the rheumatology program and assistant professor of pediatrics of harvard medical school, joining us now.
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doctor, thank you so much for being with us. tell us, what are you seeing in kids who are presenting with this? >> so what we're seeing are the clusters of pediatric patients coming into the hospital with a variety of symptoms. some of them are severe. all kids have high fevers and signs of inflammation, as you said, and some kids come in with features of kawasaki disease, some coming with very low blood pressures and some kids with signs of storm. >> what is that last thing you said? >> right, so sidakite storm, the regulatory mechanisms of the immune system are unleashed so you have a lot of hyperinflammati hyperinflammation. >> okay, and big inflammatory response you're seeing. how do you treat the kids and how are they responding to the treatment? >> so the treatments are directed towards what signs and symptoms we're seeing.
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kawasaki disease has been a well described entity for decades. so kids who come in with features of kawasaki disease with red eyes, red cracked lips, rash, redness of the hands and feet or big lymph node, we have treatment for that. something called ivig and the kids traditionally responded very well to ivig that protects the arteries around their heart called the coronary arteries. >> okay -- >> they get other therapies. >> okay, so look, i'll be honest, i have kids and i was webmding to see what i should be looking for. you described some of the symptoms there. what all should parents look for aside from that? >> right, so parents should be looking at their children for persistent fever. that would be several days of fevers. and also, if their child isn't
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acting well, or looking well, bring them to medical attention. the signs i mentioned of kawasaki disease, important to tell your doctor about as well. >> okay. we have heard from governor he said today that the state is investigating more than 100 cases of covid-19 related illness in children and of these, he said 60% of the children with these symptoms tested positive for covid-19. 40% tested positive for the antibodies. what does that tell you? >> so that's telling me with the antibody testing were actually exposed tlooat least several we before. that's why people are talking, some of the kids coming in with the syndrome have a post-infectious immune response to having had the infection previously. >> why would they have that? just to explain to the layperson. >> so we're not sure why some kids are developing this delayed
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reaction to having seen the virus previously with these signs and symptoms, but i can say there is a lot of collaboration and research going in to look at this, because this requires a lot of thought and hard work on the part of us as pediatricians and specialists to figure this out. so we don't know yet why this is happening. >> okay, thank you, you've armed us with a lot of good information dr. mary beth son. >> thank you very much. the former head of the cdc, dr. richard besser will be a guest on this week's cnn global town hall. former health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius and gre greta thunberg and answering your questions about the coronavirus. don't miss that, happening tomorrow night at 8:00 eastern. next, i am going to speak to a gym owner in pennsylvania who opened in defiance of his governor's orders and was fined four times in two days. some pretty hefty fines there. why he said he was willing to
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messaging. my next guest is a business owner who took the decision into his own hands and he defied statewide stay at home mandates to reopen his gym and received four pretty hefty citations, fines in two days from the state. dan kronauer, thank you for joining usment y. tell us about your decision to reopen this, as you knew that the state, the authorities could come after you because you were in defiance of state rules that gyms remain closed. >> yeah, thanks for having me on the show today. appreciate it very much. our decision to open without charge was to be an outlet for people. i myself suffer from anxiety and depression, panic attack disorder. i know how bad that feels for a lot of people and it got to the point where i knew others were affected. i need the gym. i need the gym.
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like, it was their medication. they needed to get back in the gym, so our decision came from the people, and to your comment about closing. it got hard for us to close the doors because people look at us like, i'm so glad you're doing this for me and they're thrilled. the only one to do, the next day and help for us to be open as long as we possibly could. >> so you're looking at this sort of like providing a mental health service. i would ask you why, would they not be able to do an improvised workout at home? what is it about the gym that your patrons are saying there's no substitute they could come up with? >> so, you know, my wife brought up a great point. ask everyone with kids how working with home has been going and they'll be like, no way. not the same. exactly, right? there's something about a good
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gym environment. whether we're ten feet or 15 feet away, seeing your friend or buddy, recognizable, wave them. that comes with the gym. not just lifting things up and putting them down. it's about the social interaction as well, the mental clarity the, and when you're in your house, there's always this other thing that can be done. doing your push-ups, and then, oh, crap, i've got to do the laundry. something else running. when you enter the gym, your mind gets to shut off. put that music on and really just decompress for that hour. >> you were taking precautions but as you know, authorities there in the state feel this isn't the time to reopen. they're worried about the physical health of the community, of people in the t state. and police fined you. what did they say to you and how much are we talking about that
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led you to shut down? >> so a couple of things there. definitely concerned about the physical health. required everyone to wash their hands. everyone said absolutely. no one wants the ruin a good thing. everyone religiously wiping down equipment, using the clorox spray left and right. >> were they wearing masks? >> sure, yeah, we had some people wearing masks. others weren't. it was really up to their requirement, or up to their preference. >> what did the police say? >> they gave us a warning. we declined the warning. they were helpful in trying to explain what the law was.
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they don't know what they're citing and they're trying to do our best and we're trying to do our best providing our service. they serve citations. plenty of warning to shut down but willingly accepted them. >> and tomorrow, actually, the president is going to be visiting allentown, pennsylvania. that's not too far from where you are. what message do you want? >> about an hour. yeah. i don't know if it's necessarily the president i want to hear from. it's the other business owners in the area. the gym owners who have the same amount of care for their patrons that we do and understand what they're going through. the president is just one guy. small businesses and gym owners are a way bigger population. >> thank you so much. it's really important as we see people exploring these restrictions to get your insight. i know a lot of people are going to disagree with you on your
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decision but it's really helpful to talk to you and understand what your patrons are saying and what your mindset was behind this. so we appreciate you coming on. >> i appreciate that. i want to share one more thing. >> real quick. >> she didn't like the name social distance, right. social distance, alienates our people. physical distance is a good word. we do need to stay away and be cautious of people but socially, we need to be there for each other more now than ever. >> yeah, no, that is a very good point. connection is very important at this point in time as we have this discussion in a little bit about mental health as well. dan, thank you again. we appreciate it. more now on breaking news. a new study that questions the reliability of the rapid test that the white house is using. plus, after a very public feud with state and county officials, elon musk may have reached a deal about how to operate his tesla plant in
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new today, the standoff between tesla ceo elon musk and california officials coming to an end with alameda county leaders caving to the billionaire and agreeing to let his tesla factory reopen with modifications. cnn's dan simon reporting from san francisco with more on how this standoff was resolved. >> reporter: brianna, tesla getting the green light to resume operations after agreement with alameda county officials allowing tesla to restart its factory next week, assuming it complies with all the additional safety regulations. it makes it confusing, they restarted the factory this week and you did have that very fiery tweet from elon musk who all but dared fishes to arrest him there
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on the factory floor but behind the scenes, you have civil discussions taking place between tesla representatives and county officials and they now seem to have worked things out. brianna? >> thank you for that report. florida was on a path to a coronavirus disaster but some experts say the state is weathering the pandemic far better than some predicted. you'll remember those viral videos of spring breakers on beaches, definitely not social distancing. and then governor ron desantis waited for a cue from president trump to issue any stay at home orders. he was criticized for being delayed and deemed the wwe as essential during the state's shelter in place. well, now it has been one week since florida's phased reopening and new cases in florida actually appear to be stabilizing. i'm joined by a research scientist at the university of florida. we should be clear here. still more than 900 new cases reported in the last 24 hours. so florida by no stretch out of
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the woods yet but we haven't seen the massive numbers like we've seen in new york or new jersey. why is that? >> the main reason is that floridians acted much earlier, much before there was a stay at home order, and i fully acknowledge as an epideem logic modeler, we did not expect that. people started staying at home in mid march and the statewide state order didn't take effect until april 3rd. >> it has to do with floridians doing the right thing, not, say, florida. we should give credit to individual floridians as well here, right? >> yeah. it's a fascinating thing. this is unchartered territory for epidemiology. generally, when we talk about infectious diseases, we don't think in terms of people's behavior changing in response to an epidemic. for example, every winter, we
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have seasonal flu, but for the most part, people don't change their activities. they don't stay home because they're worried about getting the flu. and so, this is something that we're having to learn about. we don't know exactly what people responded to. it's possible that people were responding to school closures. that has both maybe a sort of information that comes along with it, like normally in florida, we don't close schools for things other than hurricanes. so if you're going to close schools wbecause of an infectios disease, it may be pretty hard or alternatively, people are paying attention to news coverage and when they saw that there was an emerging health crisis in new york city, they took action here honestly, much to my surprise, but basically the same time. so i guess, i would say the epidemiologists really believed that there was a problem in florida already at that point. it wasn't that so many people
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were getting infected that we were overwhelming hospitals, but we believed that it was widespread in the state, just not at a very high level. but people were responding in florida, as if it were something they could see around them. >> really interesting. a lot of floridians have a connection to new york, so they'd be looking to see what's going on. i wonder, when you look at the state government response there, the governor ron desantis took a lot of criticism for being delayed in telling people to stay home. really waiting for a cue from president trump but as you look at it from this vantage point now, here in the middle of may, how has the state government response been in your opinion? >> that's a complicated question. as far as what's happened thus
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far, i would say the stay at home didn't matter. what mattered is people took action before that and they took action at a time that was really critical, we showed exponential growth in florida. now, what happens next is another question. that's not to say that the governor's actions are irrelevant. they certainly are important, and it's possible that if the governor says everything is fine, people can go back to normal activities that could cause a huge increase in cases because this is a costly thing to be doing. there are economic costs to stay at home and psychological costs and i know a lot of people including me would love to get back to normal life. >> yeah, certainly we all would, right? thomas, thank you so much. showing us working from home is not always easy, as well with all of the noises and such. we didn't actually hear that, by the way, but thomas, thank you
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so much for joining us. we really appreciate it. and right now, we get our first look at some pretty critical testimony that we'll be hearing tomorrow from the man who was forced to resign as the head of a key vaccine agency. he's warning the, quote, darkest winter in modern history, if the u.s. does not act correctly. plus, nba all-stars talking behind the scenes about what a return to sports could or should look like. one of them joins me to talk about what happened on that call next.
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he was on that call. jaylen, thank you for being with us and players out since march 11th. i know a lot of people are watching to see when you all come back and when it's safe for you to come back. what can you tell us about this conversation? >> i think that the purpose of the conversation is for getting a feel of what players want, and a bunch of information that's being gathered right now. with that information proceeds, we'll be able the continue things regularly. >> so what was the consensus? i wonder, first off, do you want to come back? do you want the season to continue and what was the consensus on the call? >> a lot of the guys want to play. i think the most influential players that were on the call we speak of, a lot of those guys want to continue the season and that's very important to us, but we also got to be able to see
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how others feel. everything is moving in the right direction. just make sure the nba understands and represents and and making people feel like things are okay and things are not and potentially danger. so all of us want to play. i think the players want to proceed to play but we want to make sure this is safe as nba and a brand you want to make sure you're on par with the science and research being done. >> so what happens if you do come back and a player tests positive, what do you do? >> that is an interesting question. first we have to get to the part of coming back or not. but if that were to happen, i guess same thing, maintain social distancing points and i think the testing is what is going to determine -- determine
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whether we come back or not, the testing speed and things like that, these resources have to pick up to be able to come back and all of that research is being gathered, when do we do it, how do we do it and how far and i don't think the decision will be made until at least maybe two weeks from now. and we'll see and hopefully things move in the right regard. >> and when you do come back, are you expecting to play without any fans at all and how long are you expecting, if that is your expectation, how long do you think that will persist? >> that is a great question. to be honest, it's uncertain. i think the right answer now would be without fans but there is more data and research to be undertook. to be honest, you might have to not see people in large gatherings for a while so we'll see how things proceed as other
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cities and states start to open up. we're seeing and getting results from places that are beginning to -- with society and so that data and research is going on right now and i think we'll know a lot better in the next week. >> there are players who reportedly only want playoff contenders to come back, they don't want the rest of the league to come back. is that an idea you personally would get behind? >> for the playoffs to come back and not the regular season? i think that is kind of like misunderstood already in a sense. i don't want to jump the gun. but i think the playoffs is what makes the league most of its money and i think that if we all agreed to come back and play in the playoffs, i think it could generate or be all right so that we'll be able to have a solid salary cap going into next year. so playoffs is what is porn. i think that is the big money maker for everybody.
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this league is a business. but all guys want to play, i think. all nba players, this is what we were born to do and what we love to do but not at the expense of other people's health. if we start things up too early and then not be in a good situation. >> yeah. well, look, you know you're missed. as my husband turned to me and said the other day, i miss sports very simply. and i think a lot of americans feel exactly the same way. jaylen brown, thank you. >> thank you. west virginia governor just announced that tanning salons will open in that state for next week. what is that going to mean? plus russia is now suspending tand we're learning the same machines were shipped here to the u.s. listerine® cleans virtually 100%. helping to prevent gum disease and bad breath. always go for 100.
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georgia governor just announced that bars and nightclubs will remain closed until may 31st despite trying to reopen other sectors of the economy but in germany they have kept night life going. drive-in discos. and for other headlines around the world let's check in with our international correspondents. >> i'm evan watson in hong kong where authorities have announced a disturbing development. what they're describing as an invisible transmission chain. new coronavirus cases, only two people, a 66-year-old grand mother and 5-year-old granddaughter who have diagnosed positive for the coronavirus and they are the first examples of community transmission in 22
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days. which is a serious concern for this densely populated city which has managed to keep its coronavirus death toll down to only four since the pandemic began. i'm matthew chan and russia is suspending the use of ventilators linked with deadly fires in the hospital. at least six coronavirus patients were killed in recent days after blazes in their intensive care wards. a number of the russian-made machines were sent to the united states last month. part of shipments of medical supplies from russia to new york, the u.s. officials say the ventilators have not been deployed as russia reports another 10,000 new coronavirus infections. it now has more than 240,000 cases. the highest total in the world after the united states. >> thanks, guys. and our special coverage will continue now with kate baldwin.
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hello, everyone, i'm kate baldwin, thank you so much for joining us this hour. he says he was pushed out for putting science above politics. he then filed a whistle-blower complaint to raise at alarm and the president then called him a disgruntled employee trying to help the democrats and that man is set to lay out his explosive allegations to congress and we now have his opening statement. in it an unsettling warning from dr. rick bright. that is who we're talking about. but the united states is headed for in his words, quote, the darkest winter in modern history with unprecedented illness and fatalities unless