northern virginia because of the covid crisis. obviously he had health problems well before he went to prison. >> all right. thank you very much, evan perez. so paul manafort, he is out thanks to coronavirus. thanks to all of you for joining us. ac 360 starts now. >> and good evening, thanks for joining us. today saw a number of significant medical developments in the coronavirus outbreak, including a new study casting doubt on the accuracy of the rapid testing system used by the white house itself. we'll have more on that tonight. also the cdc preparing to alert health officials to a dangerous and potentially life-threatening condition in children that is linked to the coronavirus. we're going to talk to a dad who nearly lost his son along with the boy's brother who provided lifesaving cpr for his brother. it's an incredible story. in addition, there is new research that's coming out today showing the virus can attack far more than just the lungs. it is, according to the study, a multi-organ killer. with all that, with states being

left to fend for they feel selves largely when it comes to testing, contact tracing, detailed cdc guidance on safely using quarantine measures slow walked or withheld from states, with so many hard realities facing americans including the anticipated loss of millions more jobs, the president again today chose to focus his attention on a different element of the pandemic. he chose to pick a fight with i had own top medical expert dr. anthony fauci because dr. fauci during senate testimony chose to face the reality he has four decades of experience when it comes to facing viruses and public health. here's what dr. fauci said about schools and businesses reopening too soon. >> my concern that if some area, city, states, what have you, jump over those various checkpoints and prematurely open up without having the capability of being able to respond effectively and efficiently, my concern is that we will start to see little spikes that might

turn into outbreaks. >> dr. fauci went on to talk about schools reopening some places as being a bridge too far to expect an vaccine or widely available treatment for covid-19 by the time that students return in the fall. that was the bridge too far. though he expects optimism a vaccine would be developed in the next year or two. he also told senators he did not have a confrontational relationship with the president. here's the president this evening. >> dr. fauci yesterday was a little cautious on reopening the economy too soon. do you share his concern -- >> about reopening what? >> reopening the economy too soon, some straits. >> look, he wants to play all sides of the equation. >> keeping him honest, it's not even clear what that means, playing both sides of what equation? the president was asked to elaborate. he called what dr. fauci said, quote, not an acceptable answer. again, not sure what that means

either. not acceptable politically? the doctor wasn't testifying in a political capacity. he was talking about the public health realities of a virus that's already killed more than 84,000 americans and is projected by modelling the white house itself has relied on in the past, although who knows now what they rely on. they relied on it in the past. it now projects nearly 150,000 people in this country will die by august. the government official pushed out for questioning the president's former wonder drug hydroxychloroquine testifies before house lawmakers. he's expected to warn, quote, if we fail to develop a national coordinated response based in science, i fear the pandemic will get far worse and that 2020 will be dark as winter in modern history. cnn's chief white house correspondent jim accosta joins us with more on this. with responses like that dr. dr. fauci, what do you know about the coronavirus death toll? there have been rumbleings quite

sometime, the president even publicly seemed to be questioning the death toll itself, that it was somehow phony in some way. >> reporter: yeah, my colleague kevin and i, anderson, have been digging in this. we found not just the president questioning these numbers, but senior officials inside the white house, inside the administration are questioning whether or not that overall coronavirus death toll for the united states is accurate. essentially, whether or not that number is too high. they feel like the number may be over counted at this point. we've heard the president make some rumblings about this in the past. but one reason why they're concerned it's too high according to a senior administration official, the grim death toll obviously guides their policy. they can't be in as much a hurry to reopen schools and states and other facets of daily life if those numbers are weighing down those decisions. and so they've been talking about this behind the scenes at various meetings as to whether or not the data can be believed, and they're in the process of doing that right now. that does fly in the face of

what dr. anthony fauci you just mentioned has been saying. he testified yesterday during that hearing that if anything, the number of dead has been under counted because, for example, in new york city you had people dying at home, not being counted as official covid-19 fatalities. once again, there is tension between the scientists and the political people inside the administration. >> i mean, i can't think of anything more offensive to a family than to have the death of their loved one the reason for the death of their loved one, you know, rewritten by the white house or the administration in order for whatever purpose that may -- political purpose that may be. it just seems really just -- it's so fundamentally wrong to do that. >> reporter: absolutely, anderson. and if the public can't trust how the administration is handling the numbers, just the

numbers, the scope of this pandemic here in the u.s., i think it's a fair question to ask, how can the public trust everything else that they're saying at this point. >> the president is also lobbing some criticism at fauci. we heard him saying there that he's playing, you know, all sides -- both sides of the equation. i'm not sure what the two sides are. i didn't know there were sides in a pandemic. >> reporter: well, you know, our reporting has been all along, anderson, i think it's been yb r your observation as well, that dr. fauci has been on the side of science from the beginning of all of this. but the president -- you're right -- was taking some shots at his top medical expert talking to reporters earlier this afternoon. he was mainly taking issue with dr. fauci's assessment as to whether or not schools should be reopened. fauci laz behas been urging a l caution in that area. the president was asked at one point, what do you mean dr. fauci is trying to be on all sides of the equation? and here's what he had to say.

>> when you say dr. fauci is playing both sides, are you suggesting that the advice he gives is different? >> i was surprised by his answer actually because, you know, it's just -- i mean, it's not an acceptable answer, especially when it comes to schools. the only thing that would be acceptable is professors, teachers, et cetera, over a certain age, i think they ought to take it easy for another few weeks, five weeks, four weeks, who knows, whatever it may be. but i think they have to be careful because this is a disease that attacks age and it attacks health. and if you have a heart problem, if you have diabetes, if you're a certain age, it's certainly much more dangerous. but with the young children, i mean -- and students, it's really -- just take a look at the statistics. it's pretty amazing. >> reporter: and, anderson, the president went on to say, well, young students who are traveling to school and heading into the classroom, they're young, they

can withstand all of this. the science has shown in the last several days that's not the case. that there are mysterious illnesses striking some of these kids who contract the coronavirus. and there's obviously the issue of, well, how do you open schools and universities across this country if you have elderly people teaching classes, working as principals, working as head coaches of sports teams and so on? so this is another one of those examples, anderson, of the president riffing about how to reopen society when scientists like dr. fauci are trying to stick to the facts in all of this and arrive at a conclusion that works for everybody. >> it also ignores the other obvious reality, which is that children go home to families and parents and some cases grandparents that they live with. >> reporter: that's right. >> or aunts and uncles. maybe the kids are fine, but they can pass the virus along in that way. jim accosta, stay with us. want to bring in cnn political

correspondent -- yeah, maggie haberman is joining us. maggie, the the roing teporting president is questioning the death count. he was raising questions about the death toll in new york when new york looked at people who died at home, didn't necessarily test positive for covid, but it was assumed they did have covid. deaths at home have gone up an unusually high amount. it shouldn't come as a surprise he's now more forcefully, and the reporting is more widely in the white house questioning this. >> reporter: right, anderson, i think it's important to note the president is not alone in this. there are a bunch of folks inside the white house. among them, according to what we've heard and others have reported, dr. deborah birx who has raised concerns about specifically some of the information coming out of the cdc. i think that there has also been questions about how people are counting these death tolls. look, from one standpoint with

the president, what he could be talking about, i think he has talked about before, is that he is suggesting it creates this very high number that i think he thinks is being used against him in some way politically. i think there are other questions about whether it is to the advantage of states to have higher counts as they are looking for aid or help. there has been a push/pull with this white house and states, particularly new york for a while about whether there is an over ask by the state and local governments, whether they're asking for too many supplies, whether they're asking for too much money, whether they're asking for x, y, z. there are often push/pulls between states and federal governments. in this case it's relating very specifically to the death toll numbers. you know, fauci testified about this yesterday and said that if anything, he thinks the count is low, which was striking in comparison to what we heard the president say and what others in the white house are saying. >> right. maggie, i read the reporting on dr. birx questioning the cdc and

saying that, well, you know, if people didn't actually get a diagnosis of they were positive with covid, then that might put into question the cause of their death. the idea that, you know, you don't give -- there's not enough testing for people, testing is not available for anybody who wants it as the president keeps saying, and people die without getting tested and in some places morgues are backed up and they're not testing everybody even in death whether or not they were covid positive. it's just assumed they are. to then deny the people at least the honesty of what caused their death just seems particularly striking for this administration. to fail on testing and then claim, well, because that person wasn't tested, you know, this doesn't count. >> reporter: i think what you just said, anderson, is exactly it. i think the biggest failure from this administration over the first two months of this crisis was in the testing. there were other failures as

well including the president was playing down the severity of the virus in february till the very end. the testing failure is continuing to haunt the federal government and haunt states that are dealing with this. and so, yes, if you don't have tests, then you, of course, can't test for whether somebody died of it, and also the universe of testing is not perfect. they are still figuring out how to get precision on these tests. so even if there is testing, you can get a false negative. we certainly know that about the testing method used at the white house, more often than not. so i think in most cases you would think that an administration would be open to the possibility that there were more deaths, not fewer. that is not the way this white house is going. >> yeah, as he said publicly, those numbers, higher numbers of testing, higher numbers of positive people he believes makes us look bad, he said. jim, president trump saying dr. fauci saying not reopening

schools is not acceptable and schools are going to reopen. it's not really up to the president. it's state by state makes that call or even local officials, no? >> reporter: that's right, anderson. and it is going to be handled on a state-by-state basis, sometimes school by school basis. we're seeing universities announcing their plans for the fall and it is going to vary school by school. the other thing that needs to be said, anderson, remember, in this clash -- i suppose that's in the making now of dr. fauci and president trump that this has been going on, building up for several weekends now. the public trusts dr. fauci. cnn just had a poll yesterday that came out that shows by wide margin, americans trust dr. fauci much more so than president trump. and so really the administration, the white house has put themselves in a position where they have elevated dr. fauci as somebody that they look to for guidance in all of this, and then all of a sudden to have the president turn into somebody who sounds like he's on primetime and fox news, i think is going to be jarring to a lot of americans and americans may

be thinking, you know what, i'm going to "the list" ento dr. fauci about sending my kids to school and not the president. that is the scenario they're building at the white house as we speak, anderson. >> right. people might want to listen to dr. fauci, but they're not going to hear from dr. fauci because they're not having these briefings any more from the coronavirus task force, and let's see how often the president calls on dr. fauci to make public comments. jim, thank you. maggie haberman as well. there is plenty to talk about purely on the medical side. to maggie's point on testing, the new study that abbott's id now frequently gives false negative results. the covid symptoms affecting kids, the virus attacks multiple organs in the body. the clash in reality and what the president would like them to be. joining us is cnn's chief medical correspondent sanjay gupta and michael osterholm. when you hear dr. fauci wants to

play all sides of the equation, do you understand what that means? i don't know if the sides are science and politics or he thinks it's democrat and -- i don't know what the sides are. >> i don't know what the sides are either, anderson. i think that dr. fauci has been pretty consistent in what he's been saying all along here. i mean, i think one of the things that came up yesterday was this idea that would a vaccine be available by the fall. and dr. fauci either -- he's very careful with his words. i think the way he phrased it was that would be a bridge too far i think to suggest that a vaccine would be available by the fall. a vaccine is not going to be available by the fall. i think he knows that. he's trying to balance hope and honesty, i think, with the american public. but i think he's been very consistent. i think when it comes to children in particular, i think, you know, we are learning as we go along -- i think one of the things we learned over the last couple of weeks is this concern about children developing this post inflammatory syndrome, you

know, sort of like kawasaki. we didn't really have that on the radar a month ago. we were seeing cases out of the united kingdom. this is now a concern. and the point you raised, anderson, even if kids who are less likely to become very ill from this, which is obviously a good thing, but they can still be carriers. so i think the point dr. fauci was making is in communities where there is still sustained community transmission, it's probably not a good idea to open up schools in those areas. and areas where you feel like you have it under control, you have few cases, you feel like you have enough testing, perhaps that's an option. it was very much in line with what he said all along. i think it for whatever reason is being interpreted differently now. >> michael, on the death toll, you know, we're seeing reporting the president and aides in the white house questioning the covid mortality numbers, there might be over counting going on. do you think there is over counting going on? >> i'll go one step further and

say the number of deaths we have right now is not the right number. it is higher. i agree with tony fauci. if we look carefully at what these people died from with as much information as we can, i wouldn't be surprised if we see the final death toll up to this point, at least underestimated by 10%. so to suggest it's just the object sit absolutely has no bearing at all on a science-based approach. >> why would it be underestimated, do you think? >> because, in fact, the number of people who did die at home or did not have access to testing. as you know, we had major challenges getting testing done. and to be called a case you had to be tested. some people argue if you test somebody who is positive but they die from their cancer, whatever, they shouldn't be called a case of covid-19. we actually agree. so that's not the fact of the matter. they weren't over diagnosing in any major way. what they were doing is missing people who couldn't be tested

and therefore couldn't be called covid on their death certificate. >> sanjay, there are two new reports today that covid attacks not just the lungs, but the throat, heart, liver, brain, kidneys and intestines. it seems like as we learn more, as this continues, we learn more and more just about how kind of terrifying this virus is. >> yeah, i mean, i think of the early days. again, no one knows this better than michael osterholm. is it like sars or middle east sin andrew cuomo or coronavirus, was this going to became in a completely different way. it's behaving very differently. i mean, the idea that someone would have isolated loss of smell as a symptom, you know, i don't think people predicted that. everything from the nose to the toes, all these organs in between potentially affected by this. i don't know why. there is still a mystery here. is this affecting the blood in

some way? because the blood obviously is circulating through all these organs. is it causing inflammation that is much more widespread in the body than just the respiratory system? you're right, anderson. i mean, there's a lot of lessons to be learned. why are kids developing this now, this kawasaki-like syndrome. we've been dealing with this for months. did we just miss these kids earlier or is something happening in quite a delayed sort of way from these infections. so you're right. we are witnessing sort of the textbook, i guess, of a new disease. there will be textbooks written about this and we're learning as we go along. >> michael, if you would just add onto that or, you know, what are your thoughts on what we have learned now? >> i agree. and i think i just reflect back on some of the previous shows you've done where sanjay has spent time talking about drug therapies. and one of the challenges we have is we typically when we use a drug therapy, we're going after a specific target because it's doing one thing to the

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♪ ambient sound fades in and plays throughout. ♪ ♪ ambient sound begins to rise. ♪ ♪ ambient crescendos and then goes silent for the tagline. ♪ as we mentioned at the top of the program, rick bright is expected to tell house members tomorrow about a national coordinated response based in science, unquote, against the outbreak. the rules for that response have actually been written according to the associated press. they've been drafted by the cdc. they give step-by-step instructions to states and churches and organizations, religious institutions, schools,

instructions for reopening safely. it's states and localities have yet to see the cdc guidelines. our next guest, senator chris murphy of connecticut pressed the cdc's director of what became of that plan. >> my specific question is why didn't this plan get released? and if it is just being reviewed, when is it going to be released? because states are reopening right now and we need this additional guidance to make those decisions. >> the guidances that you've talked about have gone through inter agency review. the comments have come back to cdc and i anticipate they'll go back up to the task force for final review. >> but we're reopening in connecticut in five days, in ten days. this guidance isn't going to be useful to us in two weeks. so is it this week, is it next week? when are we going to get this expertise from the federal government? >> the other thing i will just say is that the cdc stands by the technical assistance who

your state and any state on any request. i do anticipate this product guidance to be posted on the cdc website soon. >> soon. >> i can tell you soon. i can tell you your state can reach out to cdc and we'll give guidance directly to anyone in your state on any circumstance that your state desires guidance from. >> soon isn't terribly helpful. >> to say the least. senator murphy joins us now. that is incredibly frustrating. senator murphy, that was cdc director redfield. he said guidance would be released soon. i want to play what dr. birx told us in the town hall last week. that was thursday. let's play this. >> those are still being worked on. no one has stopped those guidelines. we're still in editing. i just got my edits back from the cdc late yesterday. i'm working on them as soon as i get off of this discussion. >> as somebody who works in

television, has worked in television almost 30 years, a lot of stuff dies in editing. that's a way to kill stuff. and say yeah, it's being edited. we'll work on it more in editing. it makes no sense. states are lifting restrictions without these detailed guidelines. i looked at the document. they're incredibly detailed. this he look like they'd be helpful. what's going on here? >> yeah, if your star player arrives at the game after the 9th inning, it doesn't really matter. and the fact is our star players are at the cdc. our best epidemiologists, the people who can offer the clearest and most relevant guidance as to how we reopen our economies are in the centers for disease control. what's the point of the cdc if it doesn't offer expertise to states when they are opening up after the worst pandemic to hit this country in a century? and so, yeah, my worry is that this guidance is never going to be released. connecticut is opening up our

economy starting on monday, and so frankly, even if they release it tomorrow, it's largely irrelevant. we're already making plans. we've got smart people in our state, but we don't have nearly the expertise that the cdc does. i think this is ultimately about the president wanting to be able to have clean hands. the president doesn't want to lead so he can arm chair quarterback, criticize and critique states and try to pass the buck to somebody else. and if he actually did offer a detailed set of guidance or rules on how you reopen a day care center or school or a retail industry, then he would be up for criticism and accountability and the president doesn't want that. >> it seems it's increasingly clear -- i thought it was pretty clear last week, more so than ever. even now with the latest cnn reporting about the president and others questioning the death toll numbers saying they might be over inflated. every expert we've talked to says the opposite, including

fauci and michael osterholm we just heard from. but the idea that they're going to sit on this thing and bury it, it just seems like the administration is trying to put as much distance between president trump and this virus. say not as many people died from the virus don't do testing, don't promote testing because then the numbers won't go up of the actual overall cases. don't give out guidance. say you're the person who got the country going again. all of these decisions are geared toward election and politics. it's not geared toward the best practices in the midst of a's global pandemic the likes of which we have not seen in our lifetimes. >> yeah, the president, you know, views this as a political problem. he doesn't view this as a public health problem that he's got to solve. and he's shown no interest in actually taking any leadership role from the very beginning. he put in place this travel ban early on.

it's really the only tangible thing that he points to even to this day. and it didn't work. 400,000 people came here from china even with the travel ban. and after that he effectively gave up. i mean, he left the rest of the response to the states, to cities, to hospital systems and he just wants to hold his press conferences and try to spin the politics of this as best he can. but there are certain things that the federal government can do better than states, and this is one of them. giving us the expertise on all of the nuances involved in the differences between opening up this kind of business or that kind of not for profit. and so without that expertise we're really left on our own and states are going to make mistakes. and that is a life or death consequence. >> i mean, dr. redfield's answer to you, i've got to say i thought it was insulting. it was like boilerplate non-answer that -- i don't know him personally.

i'm sure he's incredibly well respected. but he's been -- that organization has been knee capped. they messed up the testing early on. that was -- seems like it was a lot on them at the cdc. i don't know if it's the president's own confidence in them, what it is, but they just knee capped that organization. >> well, the cdc has failed. the cdc is responsible for stopping a pandemic like this arriving in the united states. the cdc is supposed to be deployed overseas, and then is supposed to be in charge of erecting a prevention infrastructure inside the united states. there is just no assessment other than the cdc failed. dr. redfield's answer to me is maddening, but the real story behind his answer is that he doesn't know when this guidance is coming out. what we know from reporting -- >> of course, right. >> he signed off on the guidance. yeah, it's sitting in the white house. it's up to the president to release it. so he can't give us an answer when it's coming out because the president, i guess, has decided it's never coming out.

>> and the fact that dr. birx gave the answer that she did to us last week, i mean, i just -- you know, look, i don't know what her -- where her mind is on this, but saying, oh, no, no, it's just being edited. that's a really long edit for something that's already -- the game is well underway and it's -- it's not a game, it's life and death. they're sitting on this detailed edit that just seems insane. senator murphy, i appreciate you. thank you for coming on -- sorry, go ahead. >> thanks a lot. appreciate it. no, if they didn't want to send out the guidance they shouldn't have developed it in the first place. they're in this position because of the general incompetence of stops and starts. >> no doubt about it. senator murphy, thank you very much. appreciate it. i'm going to talk with governor of new jersey, phil murphy. we'll talk about what reopening looks like especially for schools ask and beaches in new jersey. confident financial pla, calming financial plans,

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new jersey will begin to slowly reopen this coming monday. nonessential construction can resume along with curb side pickup. governor murphy talks about how brutal the pandemic has been to his state. >> looking at the numbers of covid-19 cases, hospitalizations and deaths per 100,000 new jerseyans, we can make a strong case that no state is currently impacted -- as impacted as ours. >> i spoke with the governor just before air time. >> governor, as bad as new jersey has been hit, can you

just give me a sense of where you think you are as a state in this pandemic and your process in thinking about kind of opening up and how to go about that? >> good to be with you, anderson. again, congratulations to you on your little guy. we're making a lot of progress, but we're not out of the woods. hospitalizations are down. i.c.u. beds, ventilator use, the heat maps look a lot better. we're still losing far too many people. we've lost over 9,700 blessed souls and we are still per 100,000 residents positive test hospitalizations, fatalities unfortunately number one in america. having said that, we are making progress and we're beginning slowly but surely to open things up. we opened upstate and county parks a couple of weekends ago with good effect. we announced today we're opening up nonessential construction, nonessential curb side retail

pickup, drive-thrus and drive-ins. so slowly but surely, we are beginning to get back on our feet. but again, we're not out of the woods yet. >> in terms of schools, you know, stanford said it's not likely they'll reopen and have students in the fall. the university system in california, same situation. i'm wondering what are you looking at in terms of universities in new jersey, and also high schools, elementary schools? >> still too early to tell. we're on remote learning for the balance of this school year at all levels. and we are beginning, as best we can, to war game what the end of august looks like for everything from pre-k up through higher ed. we have some of the great american, if not global institutions of higher ed in this state, and we are trying to

do the best we can x months out in war gaming for that. but i would say, anderson, it's too early to tell, but we are beginning to put the pieces together to try to figure out how the path leads us from where we are now to potential, at least potential reopenings. >> in terms of the shoreline, beaches, obviously with the warm weather, that's a huge concern. i talked to eric garcetti, the mayor in los angeles yesterday, and he was talking about looking at sort of how people are using beaches. it's not just a question of one size fits all that maybe it's focused on people doing stuff that's wet in the water, surfing, swimming in the water, that's one thing. but laying around on the beach in the sun, that's another thing. do you have a sense -- i know you said you're going to announce it before memorial day and you're probably still looking at it, but what is the procession of kind of looking at it? >> yeah, we're still baking it and i hope to be able to go live with something actually

tomorrow. the process has been important because we have been working very closely with the counties and the communities along the jersey shore, which is not just a jersey jewel, but an american jewel. we're going to give guidance on that tomorrow effective memorial day weekend. i think you should expect to see and folks should expect to see something of a similar vein as we did with county and state parks, which is mandating social distance for sure, and in finding some ways to limit capacity. for state parks, we did it by limit being the parking spaces by 50%. that's not so easy with beaches, but that's a step that we're going to -- we're working through as we speak. and again, it's going to be effective for memorial day. we'll monitoring that carefully. one of the benefits, you know, we talk all the time, a dimmer switch versus a light switch. we can't flip a switch and open everything up at once.

we're fighting this thing tooth and nail. >> it's got to be the toughest decision that you've ever had to make. i would assume, just from a leadership standpoint, balancing the financial needs, the economic lifeblood needs of people and human lives. >> yeah, it's not -- listen, there's no play book for this. we're not pulling off the shelf what we did last time, for sure. but we're firmly in the camp of doing everything we can to save every blessed human life we can. we think we can do both responsible incremental steps to reopen with the general population. and, again, we're monitoring and enforcing those steps quite aggressively. and at the same time, protect every single human life we can. we've already lost far too many in new jersey, in our country. we want to save as many lives as humanly possible.

>> governor, i appreciate your time. thank you very much. >> thanks for having me, anderson. >> well, just ahead, more on combatting the virus. going to meet two family members of a seemingly healthy 8-year-old boy who collapsed last month, nearly died, mystery of how the virus affects kids and the remarkable story of how his brother saved him. we'll be right back.

the cdc has told cnn it's going to issue a warning to doctors to look out for dangerous antiinflammatory disease. how the virus affects children is a mystery. we've been talking about this quite a number of days. the virus can harm children with previously undiagnosed underlying illnesses which is what happened to an 8-year-old son and brother of our next two guests. last month jason hardawar came down with a mild fever. while with his mom he collapsed. his older brother ran into the room and administered cpr. emts arrived and had to use a defibrillator. he didn't test positive for

coronavirus, but positive for coronavirus antibodies. joining us is his father and brother who helped save his brother's life. thank you so much for joining us. it's such an incredible story. rupe, first, can you tell me how is jaden now? >> jaden is back home. he has come a long way. at this moment he's working on building up his mobility back in terms of walking. and he also, in terms of communication, he wasn't able to -- over the past 24 hours, he has come back a far way because he's home. i think that's helping him in terms of making sentences and starting to get back his strong voice. >> and, rupe, how long has he been kind of feeling sick? >> prior to him going to cardiac arrest, he had a fever. and after that fever, the fever last about three days, but then he was fine again. however, he started with

diarrhea that eventually three days later he was in a cardiac arrest. >> that's so terrifying. tyron, you're 15 years old. you're a boy scott clearly. the uniform looks great. it's so amazing what you did. where did you learn cpr? >> i learned cpr through scouting. soon i'll become an eagle scout. one scouting requirement -- >> that's so impressive. >> every scout needs to learn cpr. recently i took a training in nyu's educational lab and there i had hands-on training. that's where i got familiar with cpr and practice. >> i learned it awhile ago, but i have a son now. after reading your story today, reminds me i need to learn cpr right now, particularly on a baby. were you nervous? because it's one thing to learn

something like cpr in class for boy scouts. to actually do it, you know, when and there's emotion and people are upset and crying around you, were you nervous? >> i was very nervous. i had all these thoughts going through my head. then i told myself i need to put them aside and i need to focus in order to perform cpr and i did exactly that. >> that's incredible. >> once i -- >> that's a real skill. go ahead, sorry. >> once i saw him take a deep breath, i knew i was doing something right. and i continued. i'm very happy that, you know, i made an impact on his life. >> and it's really unique because he didn't test positive

for the virus. an mri, i understand, didn't pick up anything, you would expect to see something on an mri. but he did test positive for antibodies. >> yes, this is the mystery of what's happening with kids today. that's why we're here with you, anderson, to let everyone know. it's a mystery and doctors are i believe still trying to figure this one out. he had the virus sometime back but then for us, we're thinking that he was in school four or five weeks ago. his underlying condition that they're talking about is something called brugata syndrome. that's what they think got compromised as a result of the coronavirus. that's something we never knew about. >> did you know he had the syndrome? >> no. no, we never knew this. and it's an underlying condition that just came about right now. and the doctors belief it's as a result of the virus. >> i mean, that's so important.

i'm so glad you came on to talk about this, because the idea that he might have had -- you know, from school, which as you said, would have been weeks and weeks and weeks ago, didn't even know about it at the time, but because of this undiagnosed underlying condition now has had this terrible reaction. that's such a warning for parents and kind of a wake-up for all of us to be watching so carefully our kids. >> yes, definitely. at one point we know that only adults and the elderly we should look at. but i would say today it's not the case. we have to look at our kids and look at all the signs that are coming along. the signs are no longer covid-related signs. they can be anything that you have to take very serious. and in jaden's case, we were taking things serious, he did consult his pediatrician, and even for them, they thought it was just a flu that he had with

a high temperature, because he had no covid symptoms, just a flu. >> wow. it's a wake-up for doctors as well. roup, i'm so glad he's home and doing better. and i wish you the best. i wish your whole family. thank you so much, it's so cool that you're a boy scout, going for eagle scout. to actually help save a life, it doesn good luck in making eagle scout. you guys take care, the best to your family. coming up next, those who lost their lives to the pandemic. we'll be right back. >> announcer: "anderson cooper

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