today saw a number of significant medical developments in the coronavirus outbreak including a new study casting doubt on the accuracy of the testing system being used by the white house itself. we will have more on that tonight. also, cdc preparing to alert health professionals to a dangerous condition that is linked to the coronavirus. we are going to talk to a dad that nearly lost his son, along with the boy's brother who provided lifesaving cpr for his brother. an incredible story. in addition, there is new research coming out today showing the virus can attack far more than just the lungs. it is, according to the study, a multiorgan killer. with all that, states being left to fend for themselves largely when it comes to testing and contact tracing. even withheld from states. with so many hard realities facing americans, including the anticipated loss of millions more jobs. president, again, today chose to focus his attention on a different element of the pandemic. he chose to pick a fight with his own top medical expert, dr. anthony fauci, apparently

because dr. fauci, during senate testimony yesterday, chose to acknowledge the realities that he's got four decades of experience facing when it comes to viruses and public health. now, here is some of what dr. fauci said yesterday about schools and businesses reopening too soon. >> my concern that if some areas, cities, states, or what have you, jump over those various checkpoints, and prematurely open up, without having the capability of being able to respond effectively and efficiently, my concern is that we will start to see little spikes that might turn into outbreaks. >> dr. fauci went on to talk about schools reopening some places as being a bridge too far to expect a vaccine or widely available treatment for covid-19 by the time that students return to the fall. that was the bridge too far. though, he expects optimism, a vaccine would be developed in the next year or two. he also told senators he did not have a confrontational

relationship with the president. well, here's the president this evening. >> dr. fauci, yesterday, was a little cautious on reopening the economy too soon. do you share his concerns? >> about reopening what? >> reopening the economy too soon. some states. >> look. he wants to play all sides of the equation. >> keeping him honest, it's not even clear what that means. playing both sides of what equation? president was asked to elaborate. he called what dr. fauci said, quote, not an acceptable answer. again, not sure what that means, either. not acceptable politically? the doctor wasn't testifying in a political capacity. he was talking about the public-health realities of a virus that's already killed 84,000 americans and projected, the white house has relied on in the past, though, who knows now what they rely on. they relied on it in the past. it now projects nearly 150,000 people in this country will die

by august. the government official who was pushed out for allegedly -- the drug hydroxychloroquine. quote, if we fail to develop a national coordinated response, based in science, i fear the pandemic will get far worse and 2020 will be the darkest winter in modern history. cnn chief white house correspondent jim acosta joins us with more on this. so, jim, what are you learning about the president and the coronavirus death toll? because there have been rumblings now for quite some time that the president, and even publicly, the president sort of seemed to be questioning the death toll, itself. that it was, somehow, phony, in some way. >> yeah. my colleague kevin and i, we've been digging into this. we found that, not just the president who is questioning these numbers, but senior officials inside the white house, inside the administration, are questioning whether or not that overall coronavirus death toll for the united states is accurate. and essentially, whether or not that number is too high.

they feel like the number may be overcounted at this point. we've heard the president make some rumblings about this in the past. but one reason why they're concerned it's too high, according to a senior administration official, that grim death toll, obviously, guides their policy. they can't be in as much of a hurry to reopen these states and schools and all sorts of other facets of daily life if those numbers are weighing down those decisions. and so they've been talking about this behind the scenes at various meetings as to whether or not the data can be believed. and they are in the process of doing that right now. that does fly in the face of what dr. anthony fauci, you just mentioned, has been saying. he testified yesterday, during that hearing, that if anything, the number of dead has been undercounted because, for example, in new york city, you had people dying at home, not being counted as official covid-19 fatalities. and, so, once again, there was tension between the scientists and the political people inside the administration. >> i mean, i can't think of anything more offensive to a

family than to have the death of their loved one, the reason for the death of their loved one, you know, rewritten by the white house or the administration, in order for whatever purpose that may, you know, political purpose, that may be. it just seems really, just, you're -- you're -- it's so fundamentally wrong to -- to do that. >> absolutely, anderson. and, if the public can't trust how the administration is handling the numbers, just the -- just the numbers, the scope of this pandemic, here, in the u.s., i think it's a fair question to ask how can the public trust everything else that they're saying at this point? >> the president's also lobbing some criticism at fauci. you know, we heard him saying there that he's, you know, playing, you know, all -- both sides of the equation. i'm not sure what the two sides are. i mean, i didn't know there were sides in a pandemic.

>> well, you know, our reporting has been all long, anderson, and i think it's been your observation as well, that dr. fauci has been on the side of science, from the beginning of all of this. but the president, you're right, was taking some shots at his top medical expert, talking to reporters earlier this afternoon. he was mainly taking issue with dr. fauci's assessment as to whether or not schools should be reopened. fauci has been urging a lot of caution in that area, and the president was asked at one point, well, what do you mean when you say that dr. fauci is trying to be on all sides of the equation? and here's what he had to say. >> when you say dr. fauci's playing both sides, are you suggesting -- >> well, i was surprised. i was surprised by his answer, actually, because, you know, it's just -- to me, it's not an acceptable answer, especially when it comes to schools. the only thing that would be acceptable, as i said, is professors, teachers, et cetera, over a certain age. i think they ought to take it easy for another few weeks.

five weeks, four weeks, who knows whatever it may be. but i think they have to be careful because this is a disease that attacks age, and it attacks health. and if you have a heart problem, if you have diabetes, if you're a certain age, it's, certainly, much more dangerous. but, with the young children, i mean, and students, it's really -- it's -- just take a look at the statistics. it's pretty amazing. >> and, anderson, the president went on to say, you know, young students who are traveling, you know, to school and heading into the classroom, they're young. they can with stand astand all . the science has shown, in the last several days, that's not the case. there are mysterious illnesses that are striking some of these kids who contract the coronavirus. and there's, obviously, the issue of, well, how do you open schools and universities across this country if you have elderly people teaching classes? working as principals? working as head coaches of sports teams and so on. and so, this is another one of those examples, anderson, of the

president riffing about how to reopen society, when scientists, like dr. fauci, just trying to stick to the facts in all of this. and trying to arrive at a conclusion that works for everybody. >> it, also, ignores the other obvious relaality, which is tha children go home to families and parents, and some cases, grandparents they live with or aunts and uncles. and maybe the kids are fine, but they can pass the virus along, in that way. jim acosta, stay with us. want to bring in cnn's political analyst and talk to white house correspondent -- yeah, maggie haberman is joining us. maggie, the reporting the president's privately questioning whether coronavirus deaths are being overcounted, i mean, it doesn't come as a surprise. you know, he was raising questions about the death toll in new york, when new york started looking at people who had died at home. didn't, necessarily, test positive for covid. but it was assumed that they did have covid. deaths at home have, obviously, gone up an unusually high

amount. i mean, i guess it shouldn't come as a surprise that he's now, you know, more forcefully, and -- and the reporting is, more widely in the white house, questioning this. >> right. anderson, i think it's important to note that the president is not alone in this. there are a bunch of folks inside the white house. among them, according to what we've heard and i think what others have reported, dr. deborah birx, who has raised concerns about, specifically, some of the information coming out of the cdc. i think that there has also been questions about how people are counting these death tolls. look. from -- from one standpoint with the president, what he could be talking about, i think he has talked about before, is that he is suggesting it just creates this very high number. that, i think, he thinks is being used against him, in some way, politically. i think there are other questions about whether it is to the advantage of states to have higher counts as they are looking for aid or help. there has been a push/pull with this white house and the states, particularly new york, for a while, about whether there is an

over ask by the state and local governments. whether they're asking for too many supplies. whether they're asking for too much money. whether they're asking for x, y, z. there are often these kind of push/pulls, as you know, between state and federal governments. but, in this case, it's relating, very specifically, to the death toll numbers. you know, fauci testified about this yesterday. and said that, if anything, he thinks the count is low, which was striking in comparison to what we've heard the president say, and what some others in the white house are saying. >> right. and, maggie, i mean, i read the reporting on dr. birx question the cdc and saying, well, you know, if people didn't actually get a diagnosis of they were positive with covid, then that might put into question the cause of their death. the idea that, you know, you don't give -- there's not enough testing for people. testing's not available for anybody who wants it, as the president keeps saying. and people die, without getting tested. and, in some places, morgues are backed up and they're not

testing everybody, even in death, about, you know, whether or not they were covid positive. it's just assumed they are. so to, then, deny those people the -- at least, the honesty of what caused their death, just seems particularly striking for this administration. to not -- to fail on testing and, then, claim, well, because that person wasn't tested, you know, this doesn't count. >> i think what you just said, anderson, is exactly it. i think that the -- the biggest failure from this administration, over the first two months of this crisis, was in the testing. there were other failures, as well. including that the president was playing down the severity of the virus all through the month of february, up until the very end. but the testing failures is continuing to haunt the federal government, and haunt states that are dealing with this. and so, yes, if you don't have tests, then you, of course, can't test for whether somebody died of it. and also, the universe of testing is not perfect.

they are still figuring out how to get precision on these tests. so even if there is testing, you can get a false negative. we certainly know that about the testing method used at the white house, more often than not. so i think that, in most cases, you would think that an administration would be open to the possibility that there were more deaths, not fewer. that is not the way this white house is going. >> yeah. as he said, publicly, those numbers, higher numbers of testing, higher numbers of positive people, he believes, makes us look bad, he said. jim, president trump saying dr. fauci's answer schools reopening is not acceptable and that schools, quote, are going to be open. it's not really up to the president. i mean, it is -- it's -- state by state makes that call or even local officials, in some cases, no? >> that's right, anderson. and it is going to be handled in a state-by-state basis. sometimes, school-by-school basis. we are seeing universities announcing some of their plans for the fall, and it is going to vary, school by school. the other thing that needs to be said, anderson, is that remember

in this clash, i suppose that's in the making now, of dr. fauci and president trump. this has been going on, building up for several weeks now. the public trusts dr. fauci. cnn just had a poll yesterday that came out, that shows, by a wide margin, americans trust dr. fauci, much more so than president trump. so, really, the administration, the white house has put themselves in a position where they have elevated dr. fauci as somebody that they look to for guidance in all of this. and then, all of a sudden, have the president turn into somebody who sounds like he is on primetime and fox news. i think it's going to be jarring to a lot of americans. and americans may be thinking, you know what, i'm going to be listening to dr. fauci about sending my kids to school and not the president. that is the scenario building at the white house as we speak, anderson. >> people might want to listen to dr. fauci. but they're not going to hear from dr. fauci because they're not having these briefings, anymore, from the coronavirus task force. and let's see how often the president calls on dr. fauci to make comments. maggie haberman as well.

to maggie's point on testing, that new study warning that abbott's i.d. now, which was a quick covid-19 test, it frequently gives false negative results. the covid-related syndrome affecting kids. new evidence the virus attack -- attacks multiple organs in the body. going to have an update on all that and the apparent clash between medical realities and what the president would perhaps like them to be. joining us is cnn chief medical correspondent sanjay gupta. also, michael olsterholm. >> when you hear dr. fauci she o play all sides of the equation. i don't know if the sides are politics and -- or if he thinks it's democrat and -- i don't know what the sides are. >> i don't know what the sides are, eergtither, anderson. i think dr. fauci's been consistent in what he's been saying all along here. this idea that, would a vaccine

be available by the fall? dr. fauci, you know, he is very careful with his words. i think the way he phrased it was, that would be a bridge too far, i think to suggest that a vaccine would be available by the fall. a vaccine's not going to be available by the fall. i think he knows that. he's trying to like balance hope and honesty, i think, with the american public. but i think he's been very consistent. i think when it comes to -- to children, in particular, you know, we are learning as we go along. i think one of the things we just learned over the last couple of weeks is this concern about children developing this post-inflammatory syndrome that is sort of like kawasaki. we didn't really have that on the radar a month ago. we were seeing cases out of the united kingdom. this is now a concern. and the point that you raised, anderson, that even if kids, who are less likely to become very ill from this, which is obviously a good thing. but they can still be carriers. so i think the point dr. fauci was making is, in communities where there is still sustained community transmission, it's

probably not a good idea to open up schools in those areas. and areas where you feel like you have it under control, you have few cases, you feel like you have enough testing, perhaps, that's an option. so, you know, it was very much in line with what he said all along. i think it's just, for whatever reason, being interpreted differently now. >> michael, on the death toll, you know, cnn reporting the president, some of his aides, within the white house questioning mortality numbers, saying there may be overcounting going on. do you think there is over counting going on? >> well, actually, i'll go one step further and say the number of deaths we have right now is not the right number. it is higher. i agree with tony fauci. i think when we actually go back and look very carefully at what these people died from, with as much information as we can, i wouldn't be surprised if we actually see the final death toll, up to this point, at least you shou underestimated by 10%. so to suggest is just the opposite. absolutely has no bearing at

all. >> why would it be underestimated do you think? >> because of the people who did die at home or did not have access to testing. as you know, we had major challenges getting testing done. and to be called a case, you had to be tested. some argued if you tested somebody and they're positive but they die from their cancer, whatever, that they shouldn't be called a case of covid-19. we, actually, agree. so that's not the fact of the matter. they weren't overdiagnosing in any major way. what they were doing is missing people who couldn't be tested and, therefore, couldn't be called covid on their death certificate. >> and, sanjay, there are two new reports out today that found covid-19 attacks, not just the lungs, also, the throat, heart, liver, brain, kidneys, and intestines. it just seems like -- i mean, as we learn more, i mean, as this continues, we learn more and more just about how kind of terrifying this virus is. >> yeah. i mean, i think -- i think, in

the early days, and, again, no one knows this better than michael olsterholm. but in the early days, i think the idea was is this going to behave like sars or mers, which were also both coronaviruses? or was this going to behave in a completely different way? and it's behaving very differently. i mean, the idea that someone would have isolated loss of smell as a symptom, you know, i don't think people predicted that. everything from the nose to the toes, all these organs in between, potentially affected by this. i don't -- i don't know why. there is still a mystery here. you know, is this affecting the blood in some way? because the blood obviously is circulating through all these organs. is it causing inflammation that is much more widespread in the body than just the respiratory system? you're right, anderson. i mean, there's a lot of lessons to be learned. why are kids developing this now? this kawasaki-like syndrome? i mean, we've been dealing with this for months. did we just miss these kids earlier? or is something happening, you know, in quite a delayed sort of way from these -- from these infections. so you -- you're right.

i mean, you know, we are witnessing sort of the -- the -- the textbook, i guess, of a new disease. i mean, there will be textbooks written about this. and we're learning as we go along. >> yeah. michael, just, if you would, just add onto that or -- or -- you know, what are your thoughts on what we have learned there? >> actually, i agree. and i think i just reflect back on some of the previous shows you've done, where sanjay has spent time talking about drug therapies. and one of the challenges we have is typically, when we use a drug therapy, we're going after a specific target because it's doing one thing to the individual. whether the virus is destroying tissue or it's the immune response. and i think, as sanjay just laid out, what we're seeing are so many different manifestations, it's not clear what we're trying to treat. more often than not, we're treating multiple things, at the same time, which makes this really complicated. >> that's really scary. michael olsterholm, always appreciate it. sanjay, as well. coming up next, we'll talk to u.s. senator who is trying to

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find yours at letsmakeaplan.org. as we mentioned the top of the program, demoted federal health official rick bright expected to tell lawmakers tomorrow about the need for a national coordinated response based on science, against the outbreak. the rules for that response have been written. according to the associated press, they have been drafted by the cdc. they give step-by-step instructions to states and churches and organizations, schools, instructions for reopening safely. states and localities have yet to actually see those cdc guidelines. yesterday, our next guest, senator chris murphy, pressed on what became of that plan. >> my specific question is why didn't this plan get released? and, if it is just being reviewed, when is it going to be released? because states are reopening right now, and we need this

additional guidance, to make those decisions. >> the guidances that you've talked about have gone through that interagency review. there are comments that have come back to cdc, and i anticipate they'll go back up into the task force for final review. >> but we're reopening in connecticut in five days. in ten days. this guidance isn't going to be useful to us in two weeks. is it this week? next week? when are we going to get this expertise from the federal government? >> the cdc stands by to give technical assistance to your state, and any state, upon any request. i do anticipate this broader guidance, though, to be posted on the cdc website soon. i can't tell you -- soon. i can tell you your state can reach out to cdc, and we'll give guidance directly to anyone in your state on any circumstance that your state desires guidance from. >> soon isn't terribly helpful.

>> yeah. to say the least. senator murphy joins us now. i mean, that's incredibly frustrating. senator murphy, that was cdc director redfield. he told the guidelines are going to be released soon. i just want to play what dr. birx told us in our town hall last week. this was thursday last week. let's play this. >> those are still being worked on. no one has stopped those guidelines. we're still in editing. i just got my edits back from the cdc late yesterday. i am working on them, as soon as i get off this -- this discussion. >> as somebody who works in television and has worked in television for, you know, almost 30 years, a lot of stuff dies in editing and that's a way to kill stuff. oh, yeah, we'll work on it more in editing. i mean, it makes no sense. states are lifting restrictions without these detailed guidelines. and i looked at the document. they're incredible y detailed. they look like they'd be very helpful.

what's going on here? >> yeah. if your star player arrives at the game after the 9th inning, it doesn't really matter. and, the fact is, our star players are at the cdc. our best epidemiologists, the people who can offer the clearest and most relevant guidance as to how we reopen our economies are in the centers for disease control. what's the point of the cdc, if it doesn't offer expertise to states when they are opening up after the worst pandemic to hit this country, in a century? and, so, yeah, my worry is that this guidance is never going to be released. connecticut's opening up our economy, starting on monday. and so, frankly, even if they release it tomorrow, it's largely irrelevant. we're already making plans. and we've got smart people in our state, but we don't have nearly the expertise that the cdc does. i think this is ultimately about the president wanting to be able to have clean hands. i mean, the president doesn't want to lead so that he can armchair quarterback, criticize

and critique states, and try to pass the buck to somebody else. and, if he actually did offer a detailed set of guidance or rules on how you reopen a daycare center or a school or a retail industry, then, he would be up for criticism. and accountability. and president just doesn't want that. >> yeah. it seems that -- i mean, it's increasingly clear, i mean, i thought it was pretty clear last week. but, i mean, more so than ever, even now with the latest reporting about the president and others questioning the death toll number, saying they might be overinflated. every expert we talk to says the opposite, including fauci and mike osterholm, who you just heard from. but the idea that they're going to sit on this thing and bury it, it just seems like the administration is trying to put as much distance between president trump and this virus. say -- say not as many people have died from the virus. don't do testing. don't promote testing cause then the numbers won't go up of the actual overall cases. don't give out guidance.

say you're the person who got the country going again. i mean, all of these decisions are just geared toward election and politics. it's not geared toward the best practices, in the midst of a global pandemic, the likes of which we have not seen in our lifetimes. >> the president, you know, views this as a political problem. he doesn't view this as a public-health problem, that 'hes got to solve. and he's shown no interest in actually taking any leadership role, from the very beginning. i mean, he put in place this travel ban, early on. it's really the only tangible thing that he points to, even to this day. and it didn't work. 400,000 people came here from china, even with the travel ban. and, after that, he effectively gave up. i mean, he left the rest of the response to the states, to cities, to hospital systems. and he just wants to hold his press conferences, and try to spin the politics of this as best he can. but there are certain things that the federal government can do better than states.

and this is one of them. giving us the expertise on all of the nuances involved and the differences between opening up this kind of business or that kind of not for profit. and so, without that expertise, we're really left on our own. and states are going to make mistakes, and that is a life-or-death consequence. >> i mean, dr. redfield's answer to you, i got to say, i just thought it was insulting. it was just like boilerplate nonanswer that, you know, i mean, just -- i don't know -- i don't know him, personally. i'm sure he's incredibly well respected. but he's been -- i mean, that organization has been knee capped. they messed up the testing early on. that seems like it was a lot on them, at the cdc. i don't know if it's the president's own confidence in them, what it is, but that he have just knee capped that organization. >> well, the cdc's failed. i mean, the cdc is responsible for stopping a pandemic from --

like this arriving in the united states. the cdc is supposed to be deployed overseas, and then is supposed to be in charge of erecting a prevention infrastructure, inside the united states. there is just no assessment, other than the cdc failed. now, dr. redfield's answer to me is maddening. but the real story behind his answer is that he doesn't know when this guidance is coming out. what we know, from reporting, is that he signed off on the guidance. yeah. and it's sitting in the white house. it's up to the president to release it. and so he can't give us an answer when it's coming out because the president, i guess, has decided that it's never coming out. >> and the fact that dr. birx gave the answer that she did, to us, last week, i mean, i just -- you know, look. i don't know what -- what her -- where her mind is on this. but, i mean, you know, saying it's just being edited. well, that's a really long edit for something that's already, you know, the game is well underway, and it's -- you know, it's not a game. it's life and death. and -- and if they're sitting on this detailed edit, that just seems insane.

senator murphy, i appreciate your work. thank you very much. coming up -- sorry, go ahead. >> thanks a lot. appreciate it. if they didn't want to send out this guidance, they shouldn't have developed it in the first place. i mean, they're in this position because of this general stops and starts. >> senator murphy, appreciate it. coming up, i'm going to talk to new jersey governor phil murphy. we'll talk about what reopening looks like, especially for schools and beaches in new jersey. to everyone navigating these uncertain times... whether you're caring for your family at home or those at work, principal is by your side. we're working hard to answer your questions. like helping you understand what the recently passed economic package can mean for you. we're more than a financial company. we're a "together we can get through anything" company. now, more than ever.

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new jersey will begin to slowly reopen this coming

monday, nonessential construction can resume, along with curbside pickup and nonessential retail businesses. governor phil murphy is leaving no doubt how brutal the pandemic has been to his state. >> looking at the numbers of covid-19 cases, hospitalizations, and deaths, per 100,000 new jersians, we can make a strong case that no state is currently impacted -- as impacted as ours. >> i spoke with the governor just before airtime. >> governor, as bad as new jersey has been hit, can you just give me a sense of where you think you are, as a state, in this pandemic? and -- and your process, in thinking about kind of opening up and how to go about that? >> good to be with you, anderson. again, congratulations to you and your little guy. we're making a lot of progress. but we're not out of the woods. hospitalizations are down. icu beds, ventilator use, the heat maps look a lot better.

we're, still, losing far too many people. we've lost over 9,700 blessed souls, and we are still, per 100,000 residents, positive tests, hospitalizations, fatalities, unfortunately, number one in america. having said that, we are making progress. and we're beginning, slowly but surely, to open things up. we opened up state and county parks a couple of weekends ago, with good effect. we announced, today, we're opening up nonessential construction, nonessential curbside retail pickup. drive-throughs and drive-ins. so, slowly but surely, we are beginning to get back on our feet. but, again, we're not out of the woods yet. >> in terms of schools, you know, stanford said, today, it's unlikely that -- it's not likely that they will be reopen to have students in the fall. you know, university system in

california, same -- same situation. i'm wondering what -- what are you looking at in terms of universities, in new jersey, and also, you know, high schools, elementary schools? >> still, too early to tell. we're on remote learning for the balance of this school year, at all levels. and we are beginning, as best we can, to wargame what the end of august looks like from pre-k up through higher ed. we have got if not global institutions in this state and we are trying to do the best we can, x months out, in war gaming for that. but i would say, anderson, it's too early to tell. but we are beginning to put the pieces together to try to figure out how the path leads us from where we are now to potential -- at least potential reopenings. >> and, in terms of the shoreline, beaches, obviously, with the warm weather, that's a huge concern.

i talked to eric garcetti, the mayor of los angeles, yesterday, and he was talking about looking at sort of how people are using beaches. it's not just a question of, you know, one size fits all. that -- that maybe it's focus on people doing stuff that's wet in the water. surfing. swimming in the water. that's one thing. but laying on the beach, in the sun, that's another thing. i know you say you're going to announce it before memorial day, and you're probably still looking at it. but what is the process of kind of looking at it? >> yeah, we're still baking it. and i hope to be able to go live with something, actually, tomorrow. the president has beocess has b because we have been working very closely with the counties and the communities along the jersey shore, which is not just a jersey jewel but an american jewel. we are going to give guidance on that tomorrow, effective memorial day weekend. but i think you should expect to see, and folks should expect to see, something of a similar vein

as we did with county and state parks, which is mandating social distance, for sure. and -- and finding some ways to limit capacity. for state parks, we did it by limiting the parking spaces by 50%. that's not so easy with beaches. but that's a step that we're going to -- we're -- we're working through, as we speak. and, again, it's going to be effective for memorial day. and we'll monitor that carefully. one of the benefits -- you know, we talk all the time, a dimmer switch versus a light switch. we can't turn -- we can't flip a switch, and open everything up at once. that would be irresponsible. particularly, given we're still fighting this thing, tooth and nail. >> it's got to be the toughest decision that you've ever had to make. i -- i mean, i would assume, just from a leadership standpoint. balancing the financial needs, the economic, you know, lifeblood needs of people, and human lives. >> yeah. it's not -- listen. it -- it -- there's no playbook for this. we're not -- we're not pulling off the shelf what we did last

time, for sure. but we're, firmly, in the camp of -- of doing everything we can to save every blessed human life we can. we think we can do both, responsible, incremental steps to reopen, with the general population. and -- and, again, we're monitoring and enforcing those steps, quite aggressively. and, at the same time, protect every single human life we can. we've already lost far too many in new jersey, in our country, we want to save as many lives as humanly possible. >> governor, i appreciate your time. thank you, very much. >> thanks for having me, anderson. >> just ahead. more on combatting the virus. going to meet two family members of a seemingly healthy 8-year-old boy who collapsed last month. nearly died. mystery of how the virus affects kids and a remarkable story about how his brother saved him. we'll be right back.

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for a dangerous inflammatory disease infecting kids when it's linked to the coronavirus, how the virus affects children. still, a mystery. we've been talking about this for quite a number of days now. for instance, the virus can harm children with previously undiagnosed, underlying illnesses, which is what happened to an 8-year-old son and brother of our next two guests. last month, jaden hardaware came down with a mild fever. several days later with his mom, jaden collapsed. his older brother tyrone came into the room and administered cpr. emts arrived and had to use a defibrillator to revive jaden, who didn't test positive for coronavirus but did test positive for coronavirus antibodies. joining me now is jaden's father and his brother tyrone, who helped save his brother's life. thank you so much for joining us. it's just such an incredible story. can you just tell me, first of all, how is jaden right now? >> jaden is back home. he has come a long way. at this moment, he's working on building up his mobility back, in terms of walking.

and he, also, in terms of communication, he wasn't able to, over the past 24 hours, he has come back a far way because he's home. i think that's helping him in terms of making sentences and starting to get back his strong voice. >> and, rupe, i mean, how long has he kind of been feeling sick? >> prior -- prior to him going to cardiac arrest, he had a fever. and, after that fever, the fever last about three days. but, then, he was fine again. however, he start with the diarrhea that, eventually, three days later, he was in a cardiac arrest. >> my god. that's so terrifying. kyron, you're 15 years old. you're a boy scout, clearly. i love the uniform looks great. it's so amazing what you did. where did you learn cpr? >> i learned cpr through scouting.

i am a life scout right now and, soon, i'll become an eagle scout. >> so impressive. >> yeah. every scout needs to learn cpr. recently, i took a training in nyu educational lab and they had hands-on training. and that's where, you know, got familiar with cpr and practice. yeah. >> i learned it a while ago. but i just have -- have -- have a son now. and after reading your story today, just reminds me, i need to learn cpr right now. particularly, on -- you know, on a baby. were you nervous? because i mean, it's one thing to learn something like cpr, you know, in class for boy scouts. to actually do it, you know, when adrenaline is pumping and there's emotion. and, you know, people are, you know, upset and crying around you, what was it -- were you nervous? >> i was very nervous. i had all these thoughts going through my head.

then i told myself i need to put them aside and i need to focus in order to perform cpr and i did exactly that. >> that's incredible. >> once i -- >> that's a real skill. go ahead, sorry. >> once i saw him take a deep breath, i knew i was doing something right. and i continued. i'm very happy that, you know, i made an impact on his life. >> and it's really unique because he didn't test positive for the virus. an mri, i understand, didn't pick up anything, you would expect to see something on an mri. but he did test positive for antibodies. >> yes, this is the mystery of what's happening with kids today. that's why we're here with you, anderson, to let everyone know. it's a mystery and doctors are i believe still trying to figure this one out.

he had the virus sometime back but then for us, we're thinking that he was in school four or five weeks ago. his underlying condition that they're talking about is something called brugata syndrome. that's what they think got compromised as a result of the coronavirus. that's something we never knew about. >> did you know he had the syndrome? >> no. no, we never knew this. and it's an underlying condition that just came about right now. and the doctors belief it's as a result of the virus. >> i mean, that's so important. i'm so glad you came on to talk about this, because the idea that he might have had -- you know, from school, which as you said, would have been weeks and weeks and weeks ago, didn't even know about it at the time, but because of this undiagnosed underlying condition now has had this terrible reaction. that's such a warning for

parents and kind of a wake-up for all of us to be watching so carefully our kids. >> yes, definitely. at one point we know that only adults and the elderly we should look at. but i would say today it's not the case. we have to look at our kids and look at all the signs that are coming along. the signs are no longer covid-related signs. they can be anything that you have to take very serious. and in jaden's case, we were taking things serious, we did consult his pediatrician, and even for them, they thought it was just a flu that he had with a high temperature, because he had no covid symptoms, just a flu. >> wow. it's a wake-up for doctors as well. roup, i'm so glad he's home and doing better. and i wish you the best. i wish your whole family. thank you so much, it's so cool that you're a boy scout, going for eagle scout.

to actually help save a life, it is just, it doesn't get any better than that, and good luck in making eagle scout. >> thank you. >> thank you for having us, anderson. >> you guys take care, my best to your family. coming up next, those who lost their lives to the pandemic. we'll be right back.

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tonight we remember some of those who have lost their lives due to coronavirus. dolores dockery was known as a champion and role model for women living with hiv. she tested positive for hiv in 1994 and went on to become an advocate for those living with hiv/aids. for the past 15 years, she worked at the hyacinth aids foundation. i can't pronounce it, i practiced that word. the flower. i have to work on it. they called her the fiercest

champion the hiv world has ever seen. she's known as a hero and fought for others in need. she was 60 years old. jerry givens was virginia's executioner. he oversaw 62 executions and began to question his job and the practice of capital punishment and later became an outspoken activist against the death penalty. his colleagues say his biggest fear was that he executed an innocent person. he was 67 years old. roy horn was part of duo siegfried and roy, famous for their magic and illusion shows. featuring exotic animals, tigers and lions. they began their shows in europe before moving their act to las vegas where they entertained audiences for more than 40 years. their show ended in 2003 after horn was attacked onstage by a white tiger on his 59th birthday. he recovered from the attack but only performed onstage one more time before retiring.

his partner says while the world lost one of the greats of magic, he lost his best friend. roy horn was 75 years old. our thoughts go out to all the families, those who have been affected by the coronavirus. the news continues. i want to hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." important reminder, coop, thank you that, hyacinth, very fragrant, very nice. >> now you're just showing off. >> i do have it right in front of me. >> this is my childhood speech issue coming up, it rears its head every now and then. hyacinth. there, i did it. hyacinth. the hyacinth foundation. >> and i heard you nail it in the break. so, you know, this tv thing, you'll get used to it. >> some day. >> you're just one of the legends of broadcasting. you are the man. and thank you for helping us remember the toll that this