aurants are facing a crisis. and they're counting on your takeout and delivery orders to make it through. grubhub. together we can help save the restaurants we love. thank you so much to joining us. the former top vaccine expert rick brooight warned of prolong pain to come if the trump administration doesn't step up now. and during three hours of testimony on capitol hill, bright said that the administration needs a national testing strategy now and a centralized strategy for gettings much needed supplies to front line workers now.

moves the trump administration has resisted since the beginning. bright listing out numerous examples of missed opportunities, slow responses and wrong calls leading to what wright described as a crisis that does not have to be this deadly. and overall his message is clear was running on us.does not have. and overall his message is clear was running on us.that does not deadly. and overall his message is clear was running on us. >> if we fail to im3r5prove our response, i feel that the pandemic will get worse and be prolonged. and it will be compound the with influenza. 2020 would be the darkest winter in modern history. >> and the president is already responding and he is not happy. but here are where the numbers stand right now. the world just passed a pretty staggering milestone, more than 300,000 people have died from the virus. and almost 85,000 deaths here in

the united states alone. and the data today also shows this, good news. the daily number of new cases on average across the country is dropping. and the rate of new deaths on average per day is dropping as well. and compared to a week ago, you can see that nearly half the states in the country are seeing the average number of cases go down, average number of new cases go down. how does this whole kind of complicated picture now fit together? let's get to it. kaitlyn collins is at the white house and joining us. rick bright had a lot to say and it was clear that the white house was watching the testimony closely. >> yeah, the president said as much. he came out to the south lawn and he describe bed rick bright as he believes a disgruntled employee.bed rick bright as he believes a disgruntled employee.ed rick bright as he believes a disgruntled employee.d rick bright as he believes a disgruntled employee. they are pushing back on the claims that rick bright said.

and alex azar said that he believes that the claims are unfounded, he pointed to things like ventilator production, things that rick bright was warning about. but what rick bright was saying and he had a pretty stark warning close to the end of his testimony, that he believed more american lives could have been saved if the warnings about drug and mask shortages had been heeded earlier on and they had given better information to the american public to warn about the coronavirus outbreak. and he said a lot of those warnings came from himself. >> we knew going into this pandemic that critical medical equipment would be in short supply. i pushed those warnings to our infrastructure team and our strategic stockpile team who has the responsibility of procuring those medical supplies stockpile. and in each, i was met with

indifference saying that they were either too busy, they didn't have a plan, they didn't know who was responsible for procuring those. >> and so he says that his past warnings were unheeded. but today he talked about what is to come if the u.s. doesn't take more aggressive countermeasures for the second wave of coronavirus that he said is likely to happen this fall. and he also gave what seemed to be a much more realistic time line with a vaccine, he said that he does not think that one will be ready by the end of the year like the president said he believes, he said 12 to 18 months if everything goes right and he said rarely does everything go right when you are producing a vaccine and of course he was the guy who head the vaccine agency and was there for several years before he was in charge. and he also warned about the u.s. needs to basically come up with a plan right now to how to widely distribute that vaccine or he said that there could be a vaccine and everyone might not be able to get it. >> right. another worst case a 2345scenar

could have. thank joining us is dr. murphy d also the senior director for health security and biodefense under president obama. and a position that the trump administration eliminated in 2017. and thank you both for being here. and doctor, what do you think of rick bright's testimony and more broadly i think the warnings that he is offering up here? >> i think what he is pointing to is something that many public health experts have recognized over the last several months which is that when you are responding to a pandemic, you need to communicate effectively and you need a strategy for action. and both of those have to be guided by science. and the concern that many of us have had is that while there have been stumbles in the early days of the pandemic response, we understand that many pandemics, that there will be stumbles, but what matters is how you recover and how you learn from that.

and unfortunately we've seen continued stumbles when it shows about testing and adequate capacity, making sure that we are developing the contact tracing that we need which we still don't have and make position su sure that we are clearly xhuchb indica communicating. and we're seeing mixed messages about masks. and what happens is we've asked people to make extraordinary sacrifices to stay home and make big changes in their family life. some people have lost jobs and we've asked them to make these sacrifices because we said that we need to buy us time. so are we using that time well. i don't think that we're using it well enough and if we don't change our approach, we won't be prepared for the fall when we will likely see a second surge. >> and beth, i'm curious as to what you are looking for right now. because you are deeply involved in offering the pandemic

playbook that the obama administration left for the trump administration. and rick bright saying that the white house is not following that playbook, the hhs second pushing back saying that bright is complaining about things that have all the things -- they are all things that have been achieved. how do you assess this? >> i think that it is really clear that we don't have a coordinated organized response. and the key question is what were we doing into february and march and now into may. and the play book oig is really an operational plan for people at the white house to be anticipating what kinds of challenges and failures frankly might happen so that they can get ahead rather than just reacting. and i think what we're seeing right now is is that we're really still reacting and we see now that states are starting to reopen even though cases are not

t declining even in accordance with the white house's own guidelines that cases need to be declining for at least 14 days. where it leaves us is a situation where there are thousands of cases still out there, we're reopening in a difrp ensh differential rates and it is just math that we'll see the spike. and this is something that the federal government could really be helpful in providing unified metrics for a coordinated phase the reopening so that what we see is not chaos. this virus really thrives in a chaotic environment. and unfortunately, until we see a much more organized approach to awful theetufll of these thi see more and more deaths unfortunately. >> and what you are getting to is something that i'm interested in today which is this complicated maybe a more complex

picture painted by the data. so looking forward, we're looking at the potential of a second wave. a truly dark outlook that is being painted by rick bright for sure in the fall and winter as states are opening up. but then you look at the relatively good new in the picture that we so today that is that average new daily cases are dropping pretty much everywhere. and so what does this complex picture tell you? >> what it tells us is there is still a lot that we don't know about this virus. all the pieces don't make sense and that tells us that there is missing bits of information. this is actually not an unusual situation for us to be in. in the past, we've had to take the approach of learning while also trying to take action at the same time. but particularly in those cases you have to act with kugs so you have caution so you have to be

prepared. you don't want to be caught flat footed again. but the truth is, because the situation is so complicated and there is often a time lag when someone gets infected and when it shows up as a positive test, we both need to be cautious, but we also need clear guidance. and i've talked to a number of universities and workplaces over the last few weeks and i will tell you that there is skas on a chaos and confusion in the community about how to reopen safely. and this is a place where the federal government needs to step in and fill that gap with clear guidance from the cdc it that tells us how to go about doing it safely. without that, we'll have a varied approach and we'll put communities at risk of further spread. and we can't afford that. >> beth, your expertise is in the area of looking at the broader long term strategy in something like this.

what part of the playbook would you say that the country is in right now? can you say? >> yeah, actually i think where we are in the playbook, there is a green section, a yellow section and a red section of the playbook and it tracks according to not onlypidemiology that you might see, but also how the environment wherever the disease is shredding in, preadis case all over the world, so where we are is in a very, very red zone where all of the questions that were being asked in the rred section including i defense production act being implemented, is therenhere an adequate supply of masks, and so rather than telling the states to at the time federal government what they need, but what the federal government should be doing is getting that inventory.what they need, but w

federal government should be doing is getting that inventory. and putting in place with the time line of being honest and communicating the time line to the public of what the needs are and when they are needed. it would be great to have a dashboard with key things that the states had to meet. and we had a dashboard like this with president obama during the ebola epidemic where there were specific measures that he was tracking to understand that we were making progress. i think that that would be a huge step forward if we were able to see something like that. i know governor cuomo has a nice dashboard, the state of washington is work towards one. it would be great to have one for the country sgln and i guess add to that, now cnn has new reporting that the president and the some of his aides prooift privately questioning whether the deaths are being overcounted. that is what they are discussing privately. what they adds to the lack of

quarn clarity is quite something. so thank you both. and coming up, wisconsin supreme court strikes down the state's stay-at-home order. are scenes like what you are looking at like here a sign what have is to come? >> and later president trump says he wants schools to open directly contradicting the medical experts. so we'll talk to a college president making the tough choice. confident financial plans, calming financial plans, complete financial plans. they're all possible with a cfp® professional. find yours at letsmakeaplan.org.

chaos in wisconsin. the state supreme court overturned the governor's stay-at-home order last night leaving really nothing but questions about what orders apply and to whom at this point.

and the immediate result is scenes like this, some bars packed with people. no social distancing, no masks. and if the last three months -- as if the last three months hasn't really happened. and the state's governor is now calling it the wild, wild west. cnn's omar jimenez is in wisconsin tracking all of this. omar, so this happened all last night and what are you hearing there today? >> reporter: right now at the policy level on the political side, the governor, a democratic governor, will have to work with the republican legislature that brought forward this lawsuit to begin with to try to put forward any sort of long term uniform state strategy for combatting this pandemic. and the governor spoke a few mont moments ago and he said we can't let the court's ruling undo all

the work we've done and just because republicans said that it could be a free for all doesn't mean that we have to throw our good judgment out the window. and again, republicans brought forward the lawsuit to begin with arguing that the extension of the stay-at-home order would be too detrimental to the residents and businesses. and republicans say that we very well could potentially see hot spots like we have seen across the country, but they have put the onus on the individuals to make smart decisions when going to some of these places. now, that is at the state level. and all the individual jurisdictions began to step in and put their own policies in place. so we saw places like the city of milwaukee reminding their citizens that they are still a city wide safe at home order in place and so businesses won't be opening. we saw this green bay. and here in this county, they said that we'll open the

businesses but again putting the onus and responsibility on the business owners to do it safely. like this cafe behind me that is welcoming patrons inside for the first time in what feels like forever he said, the owner that we spoke to. here is a little of how he describe bad this day one of sorts has been like. >> it is so much better. to see the people, so happy with that. it won't be the same. it will be different. we have to clean up every table before the customer comes, after they leave. we have to wipe it down with the sanitizer. we clean the doors after everybody touching it, the surface. it will be different. but we will make it. >> reporter: and for any sort of long term solution, the governor will have to work with this legislature and based on the relationship at least over the course of this pandemic, coming to a solution may prove to be

difficult. >> omar, thank you. joining me now a dan divine, the mayor of a town where people are heading back into the bars. and mayor, thank you so much for coming in. what did you think when you saw the scene from bars in your town, are you okay with in? >> my first thought is that i was actually amazed how fast people actually got to the bars because we started getting emails late in the afternoon and the tavern league apparently had sent out a facebook post and i think that there were about a dozen bars that opened up. and i was surprised. i didn't get a lot of -- i didn't see a lot of coverage of the footage, but there was quite a bit where you saw people packed in and that was concerning. >> and are we going to be seeing scenes like that again tonight? >> no, west dallas is one of 19 cities in milwaukee county and

the city of milwaukee did their own thing. but the other 18 communities had their health officers working on an alter in a plan for a few weeks in case the supreme court ruling did go the way that it did. and so we implemented that immediately and the health officers took parts of the president's open up america again plan, they took part of the governor's bounce back plan, and they tried to merge those together to put a plan together for the 18 suburbs of the city of milwaukee and that is in place until next week. >> so you have a week of something like more stay-at-home orders, people won't be allowed to go back into bars. but do you think people will listen to those orders because theruled that the governor's order was not enforceable. so how do you enforce it? >> we are hoping to get

compliance. based on the 1:30 press conference, i didn't see it, but there were reports coming out of that saying that counties and cities are now -- it is up to them to make their own orders. so we're working closely with our city attorney to interpret what the supreme court decision was, we're working closely with local law enforcement. one thing that i did notice last night, for every bar that was talking on social media about opening up, there were also bars saying that we're not ready for this, we don't feel that it is safe. we'll continue to do our curbside pickup and delivery with our food and they will wait a little bit and try to let the dust settle. >> sounds like you got nothing short of a mess on your hands, mayor. >> a classic hobson's choice. >> thanks for coming in. good luck. >> thank you very much. still ahead, universities across the country are trying to decide whether on bring students back to him came pus in the fall and they are getting mixed

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every path, student and educator wants to know when schools will reopen of course and what it will look like. the white house has resisted taking any lead role and today president trump had no trouble weighing in saying that disagrees with dr. fauci's caution that reopening schools must be done carefully. >> i totally disagree with him on schools. and we will have -- i call them embers, spikes. and i notice he used the word spike. well, you might have that and we'll put it out. we've learned a lot befo. we didn't know anything about this. i call it a plague. but we have to open our country, we have no choice. >> and there is a choice. many choices. and very tough ones for the heads of schools across the country right now. and joining me right now is dr. wilson, president of wayne state university in detroit. thank you so much for being

here. really appreciate it. and this is not -- it is important for people to understand that this is not theoretical for you. two students have passed away from covid-19. and so are you comfortable that if there is a spike on your campus that you can quote/unquote put it out as the president is saying there? >> well, i'm not comfortable with a lot of things that is being said on the national level. we have a committee, i call it the restart committee, made up of a number of individuals from around the campus who are keeping track of what is going on nationally, but also looking at what is happening here on campus and in the community and using the best science and public health realities on the ground at the time to make the right decisions. >> are you getting guidance from the federal government, would you like more guidance from the federal government on what safely reopening would look

like? >> well, i think one of the strengths of this country is that, you know, we do have a lot of geographic variability and a lot of independence. that is also a weakness at a time of a pandemic like this. the reality is that lot of different communities have had different experiences with this and i can understand if a university for example in my home state of michigan in the upper peninsula wants to open up in the fall, that is probably okay. but the experience in detroit has been very different. and i don't know what it will be like three months from now when we have to open, but i do know that if it is anything like it has been in the past couple of months, it will be irresponsible to just totally open up the campus. so we're looking at all possibilities, we're preparing for both opening the campus up and in-person class instruction and as well as remote or online. and just being prepared for

both. and we'll make that decision when it is closer to the time when we actually have to make that decision which is still some time away. >> but where are you in that decision making process? do you think at this moment that you are think that if you were a betting man that your gut tells you that you would be having in-person on campus learning in the fall? >> well, as you probably know, i am a physician and epidemiologist. and so just putting that hat on for a second and not my university hat, just my professional guess as you said a betting man, i would say that the chances of being able to just totally open your campus up to total on line -- i mean in-person class is very unlikely. it is likely to be some sort of hybrid or online.

however, as i said, it is three months away. you know, three months ago we had zero cases of coronavirus in michigan. just this week we hit about 50,000 already with about 5,000 deaths. and a quarter of those have xwaen been in detroit. so who knows what will happen in three month fwrs ns from in our. >> and cal announcement that they are going pretty much all online in the fall, how does that influence your decision? >> well, i'm glad that they made that decision. i think that most of the conversation prior to cal state has been either those universities who have complete lid committed to coming back in person such as purdue and university of arizona and many who have said that they intend

to come in-persdo in-person cla hedging a little bit. i actually believe that -- i actually believe that the science at the time really has to be what determines what course is taken. and if i had to make an educated guess, i think the situation three months ago will support the approach that cal state is taking more than the support that purdue or the university of arizona is taking. but again, that is a guess. but in general, i think that has a professional. >> dr. wilson, thank you so much. you are facing nothing but tough choices when it comes to the safety and security of your students and your faculty. thank you very much. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. still ahead, republican senator richard burr announcing

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this just in toe cninto cnn. new cases of the coronavirus once again aboard the "uss rooseve roosevelt."

a barbara starr is joining me now. what can you tell us? >> reporter: well, the teddy voos rela vo roosevelt was hoping to put out to sea later this month but now that is a real question. one sailor who was put back aboard the ship had coronavirus but had had two successful negative tests, and then found to have symptoms. and four other sailors who had had it, had been cleared, put back on the ship and also now testing positive for the virus. so five sailors that they thought were clear and healthy, but apparently may not be because they are now testing positive for coronavirus once again after being cleared of it. and now the navy says that -- the pentagon says that another additional 18 sailors will be taken off the ship to be tested

in in an abundance of caution. and it is not clear why this is happening. the navy, the pentagon hopes that the roosevelt has not had another major outbreak, that it may be a testing issue. we all know that the testing more often shows false neglect sieves and then there could be remnants still in people. but this all being looked at very closely.could be remnants people. but this all being looked at very closely. 12k3w4r th 12k3w >> that is confounding. barbara, thank you. and richard were oburr announce he is stepping down temporarily after an investigation of stock trades before the coronavirus took off. and manu raju is joining us now. what is he telling you? >> reporter: yeah, he says that

he did not think he did anything wrong. i asked him if he exercised poor judgment in selling those stocks up to 1me$1.7 million of stock right as the market was about to crash. and he said that he did not. he also told me that he was going to continue to serve out his term in which he's got several more years left. and the reason that he is stepping as side, he does not want to be a, quote, distraction to his colleagues at a clue s l crucial time. and this is in the aftermath of the move to seize his cell phone. questions were raised whether or not he was making the trades based on inside information. and on the same day that he made the trade on february 13th, his

brother in la made tradlaw also trades. burr says that he is trading on publicly available information and it is not inside information. and there are some questions about the timing about this coming out publicly. richard burr's chairman of the committee has investigated the russia matter, he signed on to a bipartisan report just weeks ago affirms the conclusion by the commit any that russia interfered in the election. and he also issued a subpoena for donald trump jr. to testify before his committee previously and got pushback. i asked him if he he thinks that it is about the probe becoming public and he said you have to ask the justice department. but for now, he is staying on the committee, but stepping down 23r9 cha from the chairmanship but questions about whether he could face charges. >> manu, thank you very much. still ahead, could how loudly

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. how safe is a safe distance? that's one of many questions being asked about protecting ourselves as states begin to open back up, of course. a new study just published offers up some startling perspective on that, shows that ordinary speaking with release respiratory droplets that can linger into the air for more than 8 minutes. it was an experiment using laser light and researchers found

someone talking loudly can emit more than 1,000 droplets in a very short period of time so what does this mean for the spread of the coronavirus? joining me right now dr. mark rupp, chief of the infectious diseases at the university of nebraska medical center. thank you for being here this study was published in a peer review journal. what does this tell you about the potential spread of this virus? what should it i guess tell people about a medical degree? >> well, i think there is a couple of implications of this study. first of all, it may give a pretty good explanation of why we see transmission of the disease in people who are asymptomatic prior to developing symptoms, they may have replication of the virus in their upper respiratory tract and in interacting with people, just through simple conversation, they can generate these droplets, you know, if they're shedding virus could

contain the virus. even thougher that not showing symptoms could potentially explain why it's passed from one person to another. i think it also really emphasizes the importance of why we should all be wearing masks, when we're out in public. that's because, again, there are certain instances, where people can be in the pre-symptomatic phase before they develop symptoms. if they're wearing a mask, this will really help to decrease the generation of those droplets and how far they would be projected from somebody. but it's really no surprise when somebody is talking, they're going to be generating these droplets. that increases even more if they are trying to really extend their voice and fill an auditorium or in the real extreme example would be at a sing or choir practice. there was a big outbreak in washington state a few months ago, where in a choir practice, where there was somebody probably asymptomatic was

singing at the choir practice and ended up resulting in a lot of people becoming infected and even some deaths in that instance. >> yeah, there is a lot we don't know about this virus, but this seems to be one thing that is consistent throughout. how asymptomatic, how it can be spread especially in this fashion that we are talking about here. there are also reports, dr. robb, i wanted to get more reports we are hearing about this troubling inflammatory response in children as being linked to the coronavirus. the cdc is now budget out an alert to physicians about it. but it is fortunately still rare. what is your level of concern about, we've now put a name to it, multi-symptom inflammatory symptom if kids. >> i think as we gain additional experience with the coronavirus during this pandemic, we're going to continue to see and explain rare clusters and compilations of symptoms. i think that's what we are seeing here with these kids.

you know, i think there is a couple of messages here, number one is one of reassurance. this is pretty dog gone rare and for the most part kids don't have severe disease and there are very limited numbers of cases of having this inflammatory response to the virus. now, some people are saying this looks a lot like what is known as ckawasaki disease or syndrom. the other name is muco cutaneous lymph node syndrome. so these kids have conjunctive membrane, the mouth, they have a rash, swollen lymph nodes. in the worst instance they can get inflammation of the coronary arteries. that can be devastating. similar to this multi-inflammatory poly organ involvement right now, where multiple organs become enflamed and angry and dysfunction am, for the most part, these kids have recovered, which again the

a reassuring message, there have, unfortunately, been a few children who have died of this syndrome. >> yeah, it is amazing from where we were in the beginning of what we thought was just a very scary respiratory disease virus is now infecting so many more organ, and so many different classes of people in so many different ways. it is remarkable the evolution from the first time that you and i had an opportunity to speak. thanks for coming in. >> absolutely. my pleasure. >> thank you. tonight, anderson cooper and dr. sanjay gupta are hosting a global town hall, joining them this evening, including baseball commissioner and the coronavirus facts and fears tonight at 8:00 eastern right here on cnn. . coming up for us, a big tourist attraction making first moves to open up. we will take you live to florida. save hundreds on your wireless bill

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just in to cnn, the nall of america is planning to reopen on june 1st. it comes after minnesota's governor announced he was going to allow non-essential businesses to open back up this monday. and minutes from now, universal orlando citywalk will open to the public for the first time since mid-march. but under new guidelines and regulations. cnn's rosa flores is with us.

what is the plan for universal? >> reporter: well, universe am, like you said, reopening citywalk with limited operations. and like you said, just a few minutes from now starting at 4:00 to 10:00 p.m. daily. but with a lot of restriction, both guests and workers will have to wear masks and get their temperature checks before entering these facilities. anyone with a temperature of 100.4 or more will not be allowed and temperatures will be strictly enforceds and restaurants will have menus and limited seating. >> two of the hardest hit places in florida, they announced they have reopening plans. what do they include? >> reporter: governor ron desantis just announced miami-dade and broward will be able to reopen non-essential business, some will include restaurants, offices and some retail. but with restrictions. one of the things that stand out about miami-dade is they asked

the governor to reopen restaurants at 50% capacity. now the rest of the state is at 25% capacity and when asked, governor ron desantis said that he would approve of that, kate, so that's a big development here in the state of florida. >> absolutely, thank you so much, ro sarks i really appreciate it. thank you so much all for joining me. i'm kate baldwin. "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. >> this is cnn breaking news. welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. with more than 85,000 american deaths from coronavirus, and the death projection for the next two months revised to 250,000. the u.s. house of representatives was told today. time is running out, there is no national plan and the trump administration missed the early warning signs of the deadly pandemic. that was the message today from rick bright. until recently the head of the office of the department of health and human services