th your leadership. your goal of setting a vaccine by 2021 will be great. today you're announcing the team that can get it done. dr. slaoui is the world's vaccine developer. general perna oversees the largest supply operations, the one that keeps the army running. three highly scientists will oversee each area of operation warp speed. this is truly a dream team. we started work on each of these areas in january and congresses provided $10 billion explicitly for this kind of development

process. operation warp speed will integrate efforts that are coordinating vaccines and th therapeutics. this week hhs and dod announced new contracts to manufacture hundreds of millions of needles and syringes here in america for distributing an eventually rack see vaccine. so thank you mr. president and thank you to all of the american scientists and inventors at hhs and dod and elsewhere who are hard at work already. i want to express my personal appreciation to secretary esper and department of defense. this partnership is wast goihatg to make this truly and historic

endeav endeavor. >> thank you. thank you mr. president for your leadership of this bold and historic initiative. the department of defense is excited and committed to working closely with our partners at hhs, across the government and the private sector to establish the mission we have been given. winning matters and we'll deliver by the end of this year a vaccine at scale to treat the american people and our partners abroad. the department of defense has been in this fight since day one, going back to january. we stayed ahead of the curve and step o today, all branches of the service are still out there whether it is doctors and nurses or hospitals or national guards on the streets of america or corp of engineers, we are there and we'll be there. we look forward to the next greatest phase of the fight against the coronavirus. we are all in then and we'll all

in now and we'll all in in the future and we'll deliver on time to bring you the full weight, researchers and scientists and our ability to manage logistics and scale and our great distribution capabilities. we'll deliver and we'll win this fight. mr. president, thank you for all that you have done. we'll get the job done. >> i know you will. >> any questions? >> you said vaccine or no vaccine, what did you mean by that? >> i think we'll have a vaccine in the near future and if we do, we'll really be a big step ahead and if we don't, we are going to be like so many other cases where you had a problem coming in, it will go away at some point, it may flare up and it

may not flare up. we'll have to see what happens. if it does flare up, we'll put out the fire. we have learned a lot. >> steve, you have a question? >> we heard the vaccine would take 12 to 18 months available. >> how can you do in a speedy fashion, what makes you think it will work? >> they started actually and i guess you heard in early january and they have been working on it, i know so many and private companies have been working on it and the government have been working on it so we have got the time because -- we got the time and we hope to do something by the end of the year or shortly there after. again, it is not solely vaccine based. other things have never had a vaccine and they go away. so i don't want people to think this is all dependant on vaccine but a vaccine would be a tremendous thing. i will tell you therapeutically or therapeutics what's going on

there is equally impressive. we have some things happening. we have the remdesivir from gilead and we have other things that are very good. i think a lot is happening thut i c happening therapeutically. it is doing very well. therapeutics is a big factor. >> if france develops it first, will they share it with us? >> yes. we have that very well worked out. whoever gets it is going to be proud to give it and develop it and they develop it and we'll see what happens. we got countries that are allies and we have some countries some countries that are not allies where we are working closely together. we are working together with many different countries and again we have no ego, whoever gets it, we think it is great,

we are going to work with them and they're going to work with us. if we get it, we'll be working with them. very good question, actually. >> what do you say to those business owners and other people questioning the guidance of the cdc put out last night. there was a concern it would be overly prescriptive and now it is not prescriptive enough. what are business owners to do? >> i heard good reviews on the guidance and the media will never be satisfied. if we give you more or less, that would be no good. i thought it was good and i heard a lot of good things. >> do you have a problem or concern about the abbott tests given some of the new numbers coming out? >> no, it is a great test. it is a quick test and it can always be rapidly double checked if you are testing positive or negative, it can be double checked but it is a very good test. very portable and very quick.

>> what else if it is china that develops the vaccine, will the u.s. still have access to that vaccine? >> i would say the answer is yes. >> you have to remove your mask. >> let me repeat that. do you mean a fully approved vaccine for everyone or partially approved vaccine with emergency use? >> we are looking for a full vaccine that wants to get it. not everybody is going to get it. is that a correct statement? >> the answer is question. we are working for a fully approved vaccine, we'll use the tools we have, emergency use authorization as appropriate, we use all of our regulatory tools

to bring vaccine available for the entire american population by january. >> can you clarify why are some of you wearing a mask and why some of you are not wearing a mask? >> we have all been tested and we are quite a distance away. i gave them the option whether they want to wear it or not and we are doing this outdoors. the last thing anybody is looking for is profit in terms of what we are doing. every kpaecompany want to get i. we have a great experience on remdesivir and a great experience on everything we have done. people are looking to come up with an answer and not looking at how much am i going to make? there has been a great spirit of this and they want to get to the bottom of this, i think we'll be able to do this.

>> the indian community is appreciating your help in fighting the coronavirus. >> india has been so great. as you know your prime minister has been a very good friend of mine, i just got back a short while ago from india recently. we are working very much with india too, and we have tremendous indian population in the united states and many of the people you are talking about are working on the vaccine, too. great scientists and researchers. we are working closely with india and say hello to your prime minister. go ahead. >> what steps is your administration is taking to ensure the communities and states that are hardest hit will have first access to the vaccine, had there discussions been had? >> we have done good job with

that, certain areas have been hit hard, new york and new jersey and working close with the governors. we made a lot of people look very good of what we have done on ventilators and testing, we are working with all of the governors. we just sent a big transit package to new jersey, i just spoke to the governor of new jersey who's a terrific person, i have to tell you, i just told him a lot of money is coming for transit and i spoke to governor of new york, governor cuomo, we had a conversation yesterday, we are sending them a lot of transportation money. so it is important. we had a good relationship working with all of the states regardless. if we do get fortunate enough and skilled enough and fortunate enough to have a vaccine, it will get out fairly and quickly. >> do you foresee that our hardest hit will have first dibs

like new york and new jersey. >> i think it makes sense. probably, but they're all going to get well distributed. when we started, we had no ventilators. we had to make them and we became a major manufacture of ventilators and now we are helping countries all over the world with ventilators and we are sending them to many countries all over the world. i inherited practically nothing from the previous administration unfortunately. go ahead. >> mr. president, it has been three months since you signed the china trade deal of what's hamming of coronavirus and the lagging of agriculture, are you reconsidering reimposing tariffs with china. >> china is buying a lot of our products. the trade deal, the ink was barely dry when this came in from china. it is not like we are thrilled. go ahead. >> can i ask one more. i am wondering if you are standing by the nomination of

michael pack to lead the voice of america after the d.c. attorney general -- >> i don't know what happened, i know voice of america is running a terrible manner. they're not the voice of america. they're the opposite of the voice of america. we have a man who's very good. i don't know if he's in the nominating process. i will have to check that out. please. >> confidence is the main thing of getting people to work and school and so on. is it possible without a vaccine, how is it possible without a vaccine, public confidence? >> a big factor is that very few people are, we read about all the very sad and tragic and i have lost friends and many of us lost friends, we read about that and that's what the news covers. it is a small percentage. i say it all the time. it is a tiny percentage, the

vast majority, many people don't know they have it. they have it or sniffles or a minor sign. not only recover but also immunity. they have probably immunity. i think people have to understand that. that's why i think schools should be back in the fall, i think a lot of things should happen. i don't think you should have 70 years old teachers back yet. they should wait until everything is gone. i don't think you should have a professor that's 65 or diabetes or has a bad heart back necessarily or somebody that's older than that. we want to see our schools back. we want to see our country start to work again. we created the greatest economy in the history of the world and we are going to do it again. you will start to see it in the fourth quarter maybe even before that. >> are you at autoconcell conce

children or bringing it home to our families. i am concerned of everything. i am concerned of our country. our country has to get back and you know what you are talking is when you are doing what we did with the shutdown, that causes dea deaths also and massive depression and drugs and causes suicides, it causes a lot of problems. you know our country has to get back to work and you see that just looking and reading everything that's happening. our people want to get back. they want to get back. >> sir, do you have a plan to prevent the spread? >> that does not mean we are going to close our country for five years. not going to happen. >> does the school have a plan? >> the current death toll is about 86,000. >> current is about 86,000, do you think it is accurate or higher than that? >> or lower than that. i don't know.

>> you have some that are ridiculous. our numbers are accurate numbers. we don't do anything with the numbers one way or another. we take the numbers as reported. >> do you have any indication it could belower than that? >> i don't know, if they were, i would be happy if it is lower. one death is too many. this should never happen. this came from china. it should have been stopped in china. before it got out in the world. we have 186 that's updated this morning. 186 countries that are affected. each country that's affected is the same thing. russia now is badly affected and france is badly affected. you look at each country and you can say affected or infected. either way you want to put it. you look at these countries and

look at italy and spain and you look at all of these great countries in my cases and how they had a fight through this. it is a terrible thing that happens. it could have been stopped at the source and should have been stopped right at the source. it was not. thank you all very much, we appreciate it. thank you. . the big headlines there, one of leaders said he seen early data and vaccines will be available by the end of the year. that's a huge promise. let's bring in our doctr. sanja gupta. i don't recall hearing a rose garden event sounded like a soccer game but the president said truckers were supporting

him afar from the white house. that's not true. anyone gone down the avenue seen truckers are protesting for a myriad of reasons. so this is bottom line a huge promise st. johns janjay, is he promising? is this possible? >> all right, we'll try to work on -- i can't hear sanjay, is that me or that -- >> you got me now? >> yes, sanjay. >> is it possible? >> well, i think that's the point. we all want this. this makes an incredibly a tough story to cover in some ways and

i am curious of what peter hotez thinks because he works on these vaccines. this does not fit o to any timeline that we have heard before with regards to vaccines. you are talking about many years and not many months with something like this. you are hearing from impressive individuals who have a long history of vaccine developments. moncef slaoui is responsible for making ten vaccines. the timeline from development to all the way to fda approval, the idea we are talking about the end of the year and kaitlan collins asked this question, by the end of the year, a fully approved vaccine, not just one has an emergency use authorization for healthcare workers, that's the fastest t e timeline we have heard.

if you watched the group that t stage, you saw everybody clapping. that's something everybody wants and including dr. fauci. our job is ask questions and having skepticism about it and it has never been done. some of these platforms have never been done before. the type of early data that i am pretty sure dr. slaoui was talking about was the platform. instead of using virus making the vaccine, you are using a blueprint part of the virus and the body makes a lot of that blueprint and creates the antibodies that way.

has not done before. intriguining idea, they had a hd start because of sars and mers. by the end of the year, that would be fantastic if it happens. it raises a lot of questions. >> dr. hotez, you are work oingn a vaccine, what do you think of the possibility of this? >> yeah, it was an interesting press event. i think it is really important to differentiate when we may have some vaccines manufactured or as dr. fauci said manufactured at risk. we don't know if the vaccine will work but we'll have the scale of manufacture verses having a vaccine that'll work and is safe. when we heard for instance of the first vaccine, that was in reference of having doses manufactured. i think that's believable. the problem is the white house continually add couches of the

whole vaccine issues and manufacturing term. they used the same language of ventilators or diagnostics that's a manufacturing problem. overwhelmingly is being able to test that the vaccine is safe and effective. as far as i understand phase three clinical trials on the first vaccine won't begin until the end of the summer. it will take at least a year to get sufficient amount of efficacy data, that's data that shows it dwaulactually works an safety data. i don't see a path by any vaccines that's licensed or emergency use until the third quarter of 2021. i understand it could be manufactured by the end of the year. i don't see how you can collect efficacy data to say that we can

have a vaccine for generally use by the end of the year. we'll continue phase through trials for specific populations such as healthcare providers and others. but by the end of the year but not a fully licensed vaccine. i don't understand how that happens. >> i know you may have specific questions for dr. hotez that we may not be thinking about. what's on your mind? >> yeah, dr. hotez, they're talking about these different types of vaccines, we typically think of giving a little piece of the virus at somebody, that's what actually stimulates the body response inside the body. with these i guess messenger rna vaccines, it is a totally different thing. i hear the language and the optimism changing around this over the last couple of months maybe within yourself, when i know that you and i talked, you said this is a year's long

process and dr. fauci was applauding the idea by the end of the year, has something changed? have we learned something new that created this new level of optimism or is this just the pressure to get it done? is there something scientifically that made a difference here? >> not that i know scientifically. the actual science to make a vaccine against covid-19 is not that complicated. if you ever looked at what a cartoon of the coronavirus looks like, it looks like a donut or a piece of rna stuffed in a creamy filling and you got spikes around it. tho it is creating an immune response against the spike protein. the question is going to be, vaccines that work well in

laboratory animals may or may not be the best for humans. you don't know until you do the clinical testing. we are using a protein vaccine approach that's same as the hepatitis b vaccine approach and others are using a virus or rna or dna vaccines. i think it is great that all these new technologies are going to be used to see which of them creates immune response against the protein. they're all moving against clinical trials. no question will accelerate the timeline and also this idea of manufacturing at risk and making a lot of different vaccines ready to go by the oechend of t year. that'll accelerate the timeline. the one thing that really and i don't see a way that you co compress that is collect all the

data that you need monce moncef slaoui, excellent scientist, i don't see we have enough data on hands to have it at the end of the year. let's say it is ready for the third quarter of 2021. that would break records as all is by a couple of years. that's the very confusing part by all of this. a lot of the language that you are hearing seemed to be around scale and manufacture and that could be clarified a little bit better. to have a vaccine that works and safe, you know i don't see a path by which it can happen that quickly by within year 2020. >> elizabeth, i suspect you have been talking to a lot of people involved in the search for the vaccine that consensus opinion is the one that we just heard from dr. hotez. >> yes, for sure brianna, it is

important to look at exactly what someone has said. when we look at what dr. slaoui said, he didn't say we'll have it by the end of this year. he said that he's confident that we'll be able to deliver a few hundred doses by the end of the year. dr. hotez pointed out those are two different things, you can manufacture and manufacture, you will have them, the doses will be sitting there and ready to use but will you have tested far enough to know it is safety and effective. there is a difference of having doses to go and being able to vaccinate the american people. by the end of the year, we can start a vaccination program in the united states vaccinating people that wants to get vaccinated. that's not what he said. it is super important that we pay attention to his exact word.

>> sanjay, kaitlan collins asked the president whether he thinks the death toll is accurate. he seemed unsure. what did you make of his answer? >> this is the back and forth conversations been happening for some time. there were confirmed death toll number, there was a yale study that came out and said, we are under counting the number of people who died because of inadequate testing and in places like new york because people did not get to the hospital or people may have died. they're looking at excess death number comparing the number of deaths overtime and this year compares to years past, it is tough to know brianna. the numbers are under counted as a result of those factors and not over counted. i will be honest, i don't know what difference or how big a difference it makes. it makes a difference to the families out there who think my family died of coronavirus, they

are counted towards that but in terms of what we need to do going forward, i think another question kaitlan collins asked to president trump about this vaccine is really important, she said does this mean a fully approved vaccine by the end of the year? tf it was a good question. the president said yes to that which was a much more aggressive timeline as we heard in the past. it was different from what dr. slaoui said. certainly in the medical world and the entire world of this issue of the vaccine and the timeline right now. >> it was interesting elizabeth to see who was wearing masks and who was not wearing masks. at one point the president said he gave everyone the option to wear a mask or not. what did you make of that and

some people, we have to be clear, there are some experts there on the hillside of things who had coronavirus exposure and who's been doing a little bit of limited quarantining i guess you can say. what do you make of the mixed nature of the mask wearing? >> it is an interesting question. really it should buy one or the other. either the situation is such that people ought to be wearing masks or it is not. we get to make a decision and we get to see dr. fauci wearing a mask and president trump not wearing a mask. you can think what would i do if i were in the situation? would i do what dr. fauci is doing or what president trump is doing? i think for many people that answer is quite clear. i want to get back to the vaccine timing for one minute. i think during this pandemic, we have to be able to hold seemingly contrasting points of view in our head. back in january, that's when he said 12 to 18 months. is it possible by the end of the year, that's the shorter end of

what he says. is it probable? everyone i spoken to have said no. it is probable that it can and probable that it won't. we don't have to think of this in a black and white way. >> dr. hotez, i have a question of the coronavirus test that the white house had been using which is relevant now than we have seen some cases in the white house. the president was asked about it because it got a mix record here, right? he said that it is great, rapid and portable and he called it quick. he said it could be double checked if it is positive. what do you think about it since it seems to be something that may have an issue with reliab reliability? >> it does have positive features. it is very tough, this is what happens when you are accelerating technologies, version 1.0 has flaws and you have to revise it. that's a good lesson learn for the vaccine.

this abbott test looks promising but rapid but it got a significant sensitivity problem or false negative problem meaning compares to other tests that are picking up coronavirus cases, this one is missing something. abbott is a fantastic company, i am sure they'll work it out. you know this is what happens when you are trying to do something difficult which is accelerating new technologies during the pandemic and this is what is going to be important for those vaccine timelines not to rush because it could have serious consequences if we get it wrong. i mean the worse that could happen i think is in some ways that you try to bring arapahoe county a vaccine under what they are calling emergency authorization which i don't know what it means for a vaccine. i understand what it means more diagnostic diagnostics and ventilators, but if you bring it out prematurely,

it shows efficacy issues and people treat the vaccine like hydroxychloroquine which is discredited and it disrupts our entire nation's vaccine program for things like measles. we have an aggressive vaccine lobby out there and i know them all too well. i am public enemy, many times they go after me because i wrote a book called "vaccine do not cause autism." there are two other reasons where vaccines that are rushed and they have big safety issues and we know it is not true. if you start using things like names like operation warp speed, you start to say we'll have a vaccine in this period of time. it is a bit tone deaf. they're playing right into the hands of this antivaccine lobby

that's grown so strong and aggressive over the last couple of years and so now we are in a situation where we are hearing a significant percentage of americans are not going to take the coronavirus vaccine to the point where you can even have a situation that enough americans opted out of taking coronavirus vaccine that won't create efficient immunity and won't interrupt transmission. i had a colleague of mine, bruce lee, who we are going to look at what percentage of americans will have to get the vaccine to ensure it will work. so that's going to be an issue as well. >> i am so glad you bring it up, dr. hotez, it reenforces that this vaccine, they need to nail it. if they put something out there that's not safe, people are fot

goi not going to trust it. we appreciate your perspective dr. hotez and sanjay and elizabeth. thank you as well. right now more states are reopening this weekend. cases across america seemed to be down, why is that? pl crowds flocked to bars, i will speak to one bar owner who still can't open his doors. one fed chair warns that america will see 18 months of economic pain. this is cnn's special live coverage. should i be getting excited? depends. are you gonna want faster speeds? i will. more reliability? oh, also yes. better response times? definitely. are you gonna be making sourdough bread? oh, is that 5g related? no, just like why is everyone making sourdough now... but yes, you're gonna want 5g. at&t is building 5g on america's best network.

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a new phase all with guidance. delaware is allowing farmer marks markets to do business. in kawhi, the beaches are opened. in virginia, it is time for retail shops of places and worship to open their doors. cnn tom foreman is joining me now to talk about this. are the numbers of cases increasing after the reopening. >> yes, it is going up across the country. what we are talking about are trend lines. are we doing better than what we are doing? we are doing better enough than we can reopen. take a look at this u.s. map. it will give you an idea of the trend line. it is good science here. it is only seven states in the

dark red area. everything else is -- tan color is steady. green color means it is dropping. these are new cases. you may have south dakota dark red and montana is dark red. and minnesota is evening out a little bit. alabama is better than last week. if you look at new york and new jersey that are green right now, they still have whopping number of cases. illinois is steady but really big number. don't confuse of the idea that it is disappearing. look at texas. texas is interesting. on may 1st, they started reopening their businesses, thinking we have encouraging signs here and now if you look at their trend line, it is also not going in a great way at the moment. this is the fear that so many people have about reopening.

people pop the cork and say let's get back to business as usual and two weeks later, the number start to look really bad. do look another this. the percentage of new tests that are positive of the country right now. you can see a very steady march down here from march 30th. percentage of new tests that are positive moving down. those look like good news and we hope it is good news. look at the word percentage with skeptici skepticism. you know as well as i that percentages can be confusing verses raw numbers. if i test 10 people this week and they all test positive, 100%, next week if i test ten more and i expand and do more, looks like i am 50% down and my percentage but i have just as many people sick. a lot of numbers to look at here. there is some encouraging news

but i would not get carried away about that now. >> still very serious. thank you for explaining all of that to us, walking us through the numbers. let's get some analysis on why some cases are trending down as the reopening are starting. let's talk to dr. lee, what do you make of this trend? >> sure brianna, i think there are a couple of points we should make of these trends we see in the states. the virus are not going away. these are just trends. first is that we still do not have a complete picture of what the virus is doing now. i can say that because when you look at the number of tests to take to find one confirmed case,

we are testing, doing seven tests and only to find one confirmed case. the larger the outbreak you have of the outbreak. the more tests you should be doing in order to get a complete picture of what the virus is doing out in your community. those countries that have done a good job of getting a handle on the virus have done like new zealand for instance have done over 180 tests per each confirmed case or taiwan for each confirmed case. we have done seven. that number is going up when we did testing which is why you saw the percentage that it goes down. we don't have a complete picture of what the virus is doing. these numbers we are looking at are not realtime. there is a delay in the testing. once someone gets infected, it takes a few days to develop symptoms and it makes some time to get the test done and to

report the test results. so we are not seeing realtime what the virus is doing. we don't have a complete picture, we are not seeing realtime of what's happening. what will we are seeing is a reflection of what the virus is doing a week or two weeks ago in these numbers. lastly we can't let our guard down even when the trends are going down. let's look at south korea where they got their numbers way down, almost down to zero in some days and still there is some outbreaks. and that's to be expected. that's why testing capacity is so important so that when there is an outbreak, you can detect it early and you can isolate and do contact tracing in order to minimize the outbreak. >> georgia was one of the first states we saw reopening on april 24th, this was three weeks ago. tattoo parlors and bowling alleys, they got the green

lights to open their door. there is no spike so far. what do you think is going on there or does this speak to what you just said about how there is a delay and we have a snapshot a week or two ago and we are still waiting for accurate data. >> it is a little too early to say with certainty that the reopening has been safe and successful. it is encouraging certainly that we are not seeing a big spike but we have to get a little more time behind we can say with more certainty. i do think one thing that has been good, something that we are doing now that we are not doing weeks ago that more people are doing masks. wearing masks, more and more researchers done. there is a study done with researchers in hong kong and europe shows modelling. when you have 80% of the population wearing masks, you can cut the rate of community

transmission down to a 12th to what would have been if no one is wearing masks. more people are wearing masks, it is important that you do that when you go out to public place and that may be part of why we are not seeing bigger spikes which is a good thing. >> that's a very good thing. thank you so much for highlighting that, dr. jennifer lee, we appreciate it. >> retail sales collapsing in april, how much will reopening helps? >> i will speak live with a bar owner who opened his place and had to close it again. o >> one asian doctor says she got a racial remark while going to the store.

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some bars in the state were opened for business and packed with customers. you can see few masks being worn here and many customers ignoring social distancing guidelines. following the ruling by wisconsin's court, the governor says the residents were living in the wild, wile wed west. i want to thank you both for joining me to talk about this. so many people were in the position you were in. tyler, you opened up your bar right after the supreme court ruling and you had a big turn out and now you have been ordered to shutdown by the councilman, wh county, what were you told? >> we opened for about two hours after we heard the supreme court ruling and the next day we were told that we could reopen and

about an hour that we are told to shutdown. >> what had the crowd been like and did you feel like they were behaving appropriately to keep people safe? >> yeah, we had covid guidelines on our door that we were going to be checking temperatures. everyone that walked in. masks and hand sanitizer were going to be provided and everyone was respecting what our decisions were to be open, and no one seemed to be having any issues until we said we needed to lock back up and they finished up or take the order to go. >> everyone in there was wearing masks? >> masks were provided. i think two people had masks on but we weren't getting too packed for lunch. it was starting to get busy but then told we needed to close down. >> the guidelines we were given said they're optional but we have them for people who do want them. >> okay, so chris, what do you

think, where the governor is saying it's like the wild wild west if you reopen things. is that how you see it? >> i can see how it could look that way but people are smarter than that. it's been taken seriously but they are tired of being stuck in their homes. >> small businesses i've been talking to, owners say they want to be given the option or choice to be able to open, and we just want some guidance on how to do that so we can keep everyone safe and the guidelines we have were above and beyond what were set for the state or any of the big box retailers that are open and those ones are the ones that, it's packed. >> chris, i wonder, what has this meant for all of the folks working there previously who previously worked there at your location. you've been in business for less than a year. alcohol sales, you don't have what you have obviously. back to doing carry out food.

what does this mean for the people who depend on this for a job? >> we do the best we can to give everybody hours and split it up equally, but it's tough because you obviously don't need as many people. we don't have enough revenue coming in. we've lost money month after month. we're still paying our bills and payroll, things like that, but it's getting tougher and tougher as times go on. >> and tyler, how long can you do this? how long can you do it this way that you've had to adjust? >> not much longer. we're doing the best we can, like chris said. i'm doing everything i can. the ppe was a huge help. we didn't get approved for that and got the funds, helped big time to keep the payroll and keep our team, being able to feed their families right now. >> tyler, chris, thank you so much. so many people in your situation, so many people dependent on businesses like

yours for a job, and we just really appreciate you talking to us as we look at these different regulations with the state and the county and everything you're dealing with. thank you and good luck. >> thank you. the pandemic is highlighting a cruel irony in the american economy. some of the most essential front line workers are also the lowest paid. starting sunday, grocery store chain kroger plans to eliminate the $2 per hour bonus hero pay for 450,000 workers. with me now, cnn political commentator van jones, also the ceo of the reform ay license and v -- alliance and grocery chains are thriving. i can tell you where mine is going, it's grocery stores. what do you make of them eliminating hazard pay for the employees who take a huge personal health risk and for this pandemic, for all of us, it's far from over? >> it is far from over and i wonder if any of those ceos

would be willing to stand in those stores and confront person after person after person and possibly risk taking a killer virus home to their family for the pay they're getting, even with the hazard pay, let alone without the hazard pay and part of what's going on, we are starting to fatigue a little bit and we're starting to think, okay, we just got to go back to normal. nobody told the virus we're going back to normal. the virus is still out there, still killing people and you see a lot of those essential workers whether it's meat packing pantries or nurses, janitorial staff or grocery store workers bearing the brunt and they need to have the pay and the protection to be able to survive. >> we're also seeing some factory workers who are returning to work and these are really high density workplaces when you're thinking about manufacturing plants. elon musk, he just won his standoff to reopen tesla but if the business reopens, workers no

longer qualify for unemployment. it really puts people in a tough spot here. >> yeah. well, i mean, what's so interesting about elon is he's sort of saying the the government is forcing people, it's coercing people and taking away their freedom. yet he's doing the exact same thing to his workers and coercing them to go into a very potentially dangerous situation. he's not saying, listen, i'm going to be flexible here. if you want to go back, we'll make room for you. if you've got an underlying condition, we're going to expand ada protection for you. basically, he's being tyrant. he's giving less protection to his workers than america's governors giving to the american people. >> you're hosting tonight, van, such an incredibly important conversation about how this pandemic is disproportionately affecting people of color. two asian american doctors created a video actually highlighting some of the racist attacks they've been targeted

and this is a clip from that. ♪ >> the u.s., van, it's worth noting has had more cases than any other country, so why do you think that this racism persists here? >> well, whenever you have a pandemic, they always pick some group to blame. going all the way back to the spanish flu. but this is really dangerous. i was talking to andrew yang and lisa ling from the cnn family. it's a daily threat. it's a daily sense of threat

because this has been presented as, quote unquote, the chinese virus, that kind of thing and it's really dangerous. what we have to be able to do is very loudly and very clearly say, this virus does not know what color anybody is. the one we're dealing with on the east coast actually came through europe. it didn't even come through asia. so we need to stand together and make sure, and that's the reason don and i are so happy to be doing the color of covid special. so we can go deeper into the pain and circumstances of different roots as they fight this situation. it's not just the virus but the pandemic of hate, pandemic of fear, and it's being disproportionately targeted with asian americans. we have to speak out against it. >> such an important conversation. thank you, we'll be tuning in tonight. "the color of covid" with van jones and don lemon here on cnn.

you're watching cnn's special coverage of the coronavirus pandemic. i'm brianna keilar and we will deliver. that's a very big promise, from the man tapped by president trump to lead the u.s. development of a covid-19 vaccine. even as the president's timeline has been called too optimistic by many experts. >> very recently seen early data from a clinical trial with a coronavirus vaccine and this data made me feel even more confident than we will be able to deliver a few hundred million doses of vaccine by the end of 2020, and we will do the best we can. >> in november, 100 million batches in total and nearly all states move to reopening by this weekend, the president had this message for the nation.

>> i just want to make something clear. it's very important, vaccine or no vaccine, we're back. >> arthur kaplin, a cnn medical analyst and dr. rob davidson is an emergency room physician and the executive director of the committee to protect medicare. art, to you first here. we heard the head of operation warp speed saying he's confident a vaccine can be ready by year's end but you actually wrote in an op-ed it could take, brace yourself, 20 years to determine if a vaccine is safe and effective. is this goal by the white house of a vaccine by the end of the year and the president said available for everyone, is that even possible? >> no. it's ridiculous. vaccines have to really be proven very, very safe, as well

as effective. you're going to roll them out to hundreds of millions, if not billions of people. that's going to take more than testing it on humans by the fall. you also have manufacturing quality issues that have to be tended to very, very closely and you know, brianna, some vaccines, the duration, you might get immunity response in a year, that's what we get in say, the flu vaccine and the flu vaccine only 40% effective. this idea that we're going to vaccinate our way out of the pandemic by the fall is the president trying to, i think, position himself for his election. it doesn't have anything to do with science. >> rob, same question to you. what do you think? >> yeah, i think the president is afraid to do the hard work, which would be to use the defense production act to get us the testing equipment we need to do what we should do to get out of t