♪ the reopening expands. not fast enough for the president. too fast for his top scientists. >> there is a real risk that you will trigger an outbreak you may not be able to control. >> he wants to play all sides of the equation. it's not an acceptable answer. a new coronavirus worry for parents. >> started having blue lips and her extremities were cold. that's when it was like, this is not a normal flu. >> and the president playing 2020 victim. he says democratic governors are out to get him. president obama too. >> obama gate, you know what the crime is. the crime is obvious to everybody. welcome to our viewers in

the united states and around the world. i'm john king in washington. thank you for sharing your sunday. the president of the united states accused barack obama and joe biden of treason this past week. he offered no proof or facts, just a rant. we'll get to that later in its proper 2020 political context. president obama delivered two virtual commencement talks on saturday and made clear he doesn't think much of how president trump is handling the coronavirus pandemic. >> do what you think is right. doing what feels good, what's convenient, easy, that's how little kids thing. unfortunately a lot of so-called grown-ups still think that way which is why things are so screwed up. >> the week ahead offers a big test in our new normal. the reopening experiment is accelerating and with it is what is an acceptable number of cases and deaths, what is an acceptable amount of risk. greece reopened beaches this

weekend and urged social distancing. germany's soccer teams resumed play. washington, d.c., is still under a stay-at-home order, but this was the national mall on saturday. the boardwalk in new jersey now a test of whether reopening and social distancing can coexist. many of the states allows more activity, interaction in the week ahead, including the state hardest hit. >> if people are smart, then, yes, you will see some increase in the numbers, but you won't see a spike. you've seen spikes in other countries that have opened. you've seen spikes in states that have opened. we have an intelligent and i believe the most intelligent system, but it is still reliant on what we do. it is reliant on human behavior. be smart and be diligent and don't underestimate this virus.

>> let's take a look at the current state of play. just start with the big map. 48 states are partially reopened. massachusetts and connecticut coming in behind them with their own plans. gradual at first but pretty much the whole country involved in this stermexperiment. 11 states have a case count that's going up including the state of texas. we'll talk about that in a second. 19 states, that's the more tan color, holding steady, flat, in where they are in the case count as they go through a reopening, and 20 states are heading down. 19 of them modestly, one of them quite aggressively. this is the state of play. let's take a look at individual states here. this is georgia, one of the early states to reopen back here, hair salons, tattoo parlors and gyms. if you look at georgia, it's held the line flat. the governor said, i was right, i could reopen. we can talk more about that later. georgia, a case study and so far, it has held the seven day moving average of cases here, down a little bit, flat at

worst. texas is a different story at the moment. again, you get different answers when you talk to people in the state. a spike yesterday. you look at the seven-day moving average of cases, it's edging up a little bit. the opening has been in stages. first retail for pickup, personal care biusinesses open. they say the hospital system is not overtaxed. but texas worth watching. alabama up a little bit. flat if you look at the seven-day moving average. now you get more aggressive as you go here. public health professionals will tell you it takes a week or two to see what's happening. alabama up a little bit and then flattened. louisiana, look at this. new orleans was a big concern, it's arc is way, way down. it starts from a position of strength. and lastly pennsylvania which you see the spike here back in

early april. it flattens out. starting to trend down as pennsylvania starts its reopening. down a little bit. about 1,000 cases a day still. the governor says, i waited, i got this right, now much of my state is ready to reopen. >> as leader of the commonwealth, i'm responsible for the health and safety of all pennsylvanians and i can't and i will not let this virus ravage our communities. yellow counties have been determined to have a lower risk of virus spread. red counties have been determined to have a higher risk of virus spread. now, i understand all residents are eager to get back to regular business operations and i'm lifting restrictions and will continue to do so as quickly as i think it's safe. >> politics is increasingly a complicating factor in this reopening debate. pennsylvania state capitol was the scene of protests on friday, one day after president trump traveled to pennsylvania. >> you have to get your governor

of pennsylvania to start opening up. you have areas of pennsylvania that are barely affected and they want to keep them closed. you can't do that. >> the bulk of pennsylvania is reopening. counties in red still on lockdown. those in yellow can drop some restrictions. yellow status allows in-person retail but no dine-in eating. childcare can reopen. pittsburgh is beginning that process and the mayor is with us this morning. thank you for joining us. as you go through this process, what have you learned, whether it's watching georgia, watching texas, watching other states, have you learned lessons, things that you say that's not working and things that make you say, i don't want to do that? >> i think the biggest lesson is that certainty has become uncertainty. as we go through this pandemic, the best lessons that we have are those from europe and asia and the data is fresh. it's new. it's limited.

so we look to do the best that we can and we err on the side of public health. if we're making decisions or trying to affect policy, we always have a true north which is public health. and we go through this process as part of a learning curve. >> if you look, i'm going to put up numbers, 1595 cases. you don't want that. you see the drop in the seven-day moving average here. every case is a bad case. every death is horrible. a low number if you look at the eastern part of your state. so you start from a position of strength, there are no good words in the middle of this pandemic. are there things that you're allowed to do that you're not going -- that you will not do yet? >> yeah, on friday for the city,

we're the first major city in pennsylvania to start to reopen. we laid out for our residents a system aligned with the governor's green, yellow, red. and what the changes would be from red to yellow. and we use as our baseline and decision-making realtime data that has the ability to forecast that's been created and at the same time the recommendations from the centers for disease control. and that would allow things like skateboard parks to be reopened while swimming pools stay closed. theater night where we have throughout all of our neighborhoods throughout the summer, movie nights in the park have now become drive-in theater. we've made adaptations to what

our operation plan is and based it all around the facts that are being shared by the centers for disease control and our own department of health. >> and so if you look at the state economic numbers, and i'm sure in your county and city it's just as bad. 27% of the people of the commonwealth of pennsylvania have filed for unemployment benefits. as the reopening starts, people are going to say, great, we need to get back to work. we need to get the engine of the economy going. let's be hopeful that works and without a hitch. but do you have metrics in front of you that you're going to look at every day and say, if i cross this line, i'm dialing back? >> yeah. those numbers are based with our cooperation with our two major hospital networks. we began that process back in february. so we had a little bit of a head start. but we can tell on a daily basis the number of icu beds

available, the number of ventilators available, and we watch and we actually chart the number of cases happening within our county on our website so that the public can be informed as well. we use all of this information and we can tell you that we hit a plateau around april 26th and then that plateau has slowly started to go down. but we also know that the life cycle of covid-19 can last up to 14 days and we have to get through a full 28 days before making any decisions to see if we do start to see that bell curve start to rise again. so as much as information can be used in order to be able to make better decisions, we're implementing that. but it really does come down to the attitude of pittsburghers. and the fact that they're willing to make the sacrifices in order to keep it from spiking

again. our lesson was 1918. our lesson was the spanish flu. we were the ones that came out of the gate early and in the second part of the flu which hit pittsburgh in october of 1918, it was worse than the first part. and pittsburgh and philadelphia led the nation in the number of deaths. we don't intend to repeat history. >> mayor, appreciate your time today and wish you the best of luck as you begin this experiment. thank you, sir. >> thank you, john. be safe. >> you as well, sir. messy is an understatement in describing wisconsin's reopening. the state supreme court ruled he had overstepped his powers. >> the bottom line is, it was a -- it was a horrible decision, not unexpected. not unexpected. clearly there were four justices that were looking for any way

they could to concur with the republican majority in the legislature. it happened and now we have the wild west. >> milwaukee quickly added local restrictions, bars and restaurants remain closed to in-person service. the other county has no mandates but is encouraging businesses to practice social distancing and other safety measures. the mayor with us now. thank you for joining us on this sunday. the "milwaukee journal sentinel" said down with restrictions up with coronavirus cases. on sunday, no mask, no gloves, no problems. day trippers from illinois pour in. i'm worried if you are worried that because you are open that whether it's people from illinois or people from neighboring milwaukee are going to come in and you've done a pretty good job containing this, are you worried now being open could be a risk?

>> of course, yeah, i'm worried that with everything being open and really having no restrictions that there will be a spike in infections. i'm also -- as you've already alluded to, we had the supreme court decision that pretty much -- well, it did remove all the restrictions put on businesses and people in the state by the governor's orders. and there's certain things that happened. i guess the best thing to say is milwaukee county has a health system that is run by the -- mainly by the county and they're making their rules based upon their health officers. in my county, the health officer is saying there will be restrictions. so that would leave it up to each community to decide whether they want to try to use the

limited statutory authority to put restrictions on businesses and if we only have one or two communities in the entire county put restrictions on businesses, really what you're doing is penalizing the businesses in those communities without doing anything in regards to reducing infection rates because people will just go to the neighboring communities. it's a difficult situation. i am worried. i continue to stress to our businesses and to the people in my county that they have personal responsibility and i hope that we don't have any large spikes. >> now you have this tension. i don't know what other word to use. i want you to listen here. this is one of your business managers who says, look, if i have the authority to reopen, i need to get my economy, my business back up and running. listen. >> we're doing everything that's physically possible to do. if they're uncomfortable, don't

come. we wouldn't hold it against anybody or -- if they want to wait a while and see how things turn out, that's fine. if you're uncomfortable, just don't come rather than criticize us for opening. >> so that gentleman is trying to get his business up and running. if you just look. confirmed cases, 464, milwaukee county, nearly 5,000. this is your neighbor. your county is doing a much -- managing this, obviously a smaller population. to that point i was making earlier about the back-and-forth, milwaukee is shut down. you're going to drive to waukesha. >> the answer is yes. and i think our -- most of our businesses are doing a very good job. they're limiting the number of people in the business and the person who is speaking regarding opening their business, i really

feel for them. and that did play into what, you know, waukesha did. we have daily eoc meetings monday through friday. i have a lot of people that i'm working with to try to decide which way we go during this pandemic. and we did discuss whether we're going to have restrictions on our businesses or not. but standing out there all alone in the entire county and being the only community that has restrictions really -- it came down to the fact that the businesses themselves would be the one that suffers. the businesses in waukesha county -- the businesses in the city of waukesha, where as all the other businesses would be open. and i doubt if many people know what the map of the city looks like. but it juts out here. there's -- inside the city there's town islands. you have businesses that are across the street from each other that one would be open, and one would be closed. and that's pretty much

unworkable. and previously, you know, some -- the mayor of pittsburgh indicated that the only thing that is certain is uncertainty. businesses and residents are always struggling to figure out what is -- what are the restrictions, what is -- what they're supposed to do in all that and changing it all the time is a problem itself. >> well, mayor, we wish you the best as you go through this experiment. your governor calls it the wild west. we hope it works out well. thank you, sir, this morning. >> thank you very much. up next for us, how the doctors grade the reopening so far and their key tests in the days ahead. >> announcer: "inside politics" brought to you by dangote, for an empowered africa. my age-related macular degeneration could lead to vision loss.

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the president's case for accelerating the reopening is driven by economics and politics. a paralyzed economy hurts his re-election chances. but he insists the numbers support his posture. when you look at new cases, you see it there, the national curve is finally on a decline. and coronavirus testing is climbing. now averaging about 300,000 tests a day. new phases are kicking in across the country, movie theaters and community pools are opening in montana. it will take a few weeks to see whether the inevitable growth in infections is manageable or dangerous. and experts believe we're still a year or more away from a vaccine. but it's clear the president sees this as a point of no

return. >> i want to make something clear, it's very important, vaccine or no vaccine, we're back. and we're starting the process. and in many cases, they don't have vaccines and a virus or flu comes, and you fight through it. >> with us again this sunday. dr. jha and dr. megan ranny. dr. jha, i want to start with you, in that i think the conversation a month from now will give us a better sense of how to grade the reopening. but if you talk to people in georgia and texas, texas had a big spike yesterday. and so some of the mayors say, i told you so, governor. we were too high when you reopened. the governor's staff would say, you know what, we have more testing, that's why we're having a spike in cases and our hospitals are handling this okay. who is right? >> good morning, john. hospitalizations are really kind

of a late indicator. by the time hospitalizations go up, you've let the cat out of the bag. it's too early to tell. georgia has gone better than i was expecting. the next couple of weeks will be important. i'm tracking cases, testing, and obviously what's happening with hospitalizations but down the road. i would say both of those states, it's too early to tell whether the decisions made by the governor were right ones or not. >> and yet, you do see the ihme model, this is from the university of maryland, the mobility of states, 67,000, now they project 147,000 by the beginning of august and they're saying that's because states are reopening and americans are getting more mobile. you see in minnesota, mobility -- just the people staying at home is dropping.

that's commonsense as states reopen. some of it is cabin fever. when will you be able to say we got this right or we've gone too far, we have to dial it back a little? >> it's going to take two to three to even four weeks after reopening starts, john, to figure out if we've moved too early, if we have to dial things back. as we know this virus has about a two-week period of being asymptomatic after it gets transmitted and as dr. jha said, the bad symptoms don't start to show up for another one to two weeks after that. it's between a two and four-week period until we know if we've done too much too soon. that's determined by how much people are together, whether they're taking public transportation, whether they're wearing masks, whether they're washing their hands and of course the degree to which the very vulnerable are being exposed. >> and, doctors, i say on

sundays, i don't want to involve you doctors in the politics but there's a collision in the sense, you mentioned the georgia experiment has gone relatively well so far. texas, there's a big debate in texas. we'll see how it plays out. the president and his friends are trying to isolate voices of caution like dr. fauci. listen. >> dr. anthony fauci also seems to favor what the democrats want and that is massive restrictions with no end in sight. >> some people think he should be dictator for the duration of this crisis. that's insanity. >> with all due respect to dr. fauci's expertise, no one elected him to anything. >> he wants to play all sides of the equation. to me, it's not an acceptable answer. >> what's your take on the politics of this in that the president and his allies who are all in on reopening are trying to isolate, play down, minimize, raise suspicions about voices of

caution like dr. fauci and yourself. >> the way i see this, john, the science and the evidence are going to drive what happens. you can choose not to follow the signs, you can choose to take risks. and i don't understand the politics of all of it. but, you know, the virus will behave the way it will behave. and i think not paying attention to dr. fauci's warnings is really risky. are we going to be able -- could we get away with it as a country? we might get lucky. but i personally think it's better to err on the side of caution and err on the side of public health and listen to people like dr. fauci. that's the best way forward. >> to the point that you were making that it will be a few weeks before we know, every week there seems to be something new that we've learned. we're hearing about strokes from blood clots, covid toes came up,

damage to kidney. hard a heart and lung issues. what is new in your mind? >> so this virus, john, is so wiley. every week that passes we're discovering new things in science about how it attacks the body, how it propagates, the types of disorders that it causes. we know it can latch onto numerous organs, not just the throat and the lungs, as we initially thought. we're finding it in the kidneys and intestines which would explain the strange syndromes we're seeing. you've heard how it's causing these post inflammatory syndrome in kids and seeing a long course of recovery for many people, not just those in intensive care, but also folks who get a little bit sick and may not need to be hospitalized. i think we're just starting to figure out the long-term effects

of this virus which is why it's so important to protect ourselves from infections in the first place. because the science just does not know everything yet about what the symptoms are and the syndromes are that the virus causes. >> we're going to keep learning as we go through this reopening experiment. thank you again, i'm grateful that you share your time with us on sunday mornings. see you again up soon. the president fires another inspector general and lashes out at president obama and democratic governors. this week's coronavirus by the numbers helps explain his re-election anxiety. restaurant head count was down 94% on friday compared to a year ago and 27 million americans have lost their health insurance during this pandemic. sure. okay... okay! safe drivers save 40%!!! guys! guys! check it out. safe drivers save 40%!!! safe drivers save 40%! safe drivers save 40%!!!

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when you're trying to change the subject, a little help from your friends is always welcome. >> the president knew everything. the president knew everything. president obama and vice president biden, they knew everything. we caught them in the act. and every day we're seeing more

and more information come out and now it's like an avalanche of really bad -- call it treason, whatever you want, but they tried to take down an elected president of the united states. >> treason is a heavy word. the president is talking about the investigation of michael flynn and it is important to note, there is zero evidence. zero. none that president obama or vice president biden did anything wrong. the president is worried about his re-election odds. he wants to change the conversation. when he must talk about the pandemic, he's shaping that to his 2020 playbook. he's traveled to arizona and pennsylvania, both critical to his 2020 map. look at the fights he picks, celebrating the decision by the wisconsin supreme court to tell the governor, reopen your state. wisconsin critical to his map. looking around too, picking fights with democratic governors. he says the democratic governors are keeping their states closed because they want to hurt him. not protect public health.

>> the less successful we are in opening, the better they are, probably, maybe, for an election. but i'm letting people know many, many cases, they're doing it for political purposes. they would rather see our country fail. they would rather see your country fail. and you know what that means. part of failure is death. they would rather see that than have me get elected. >> with us to share the reporting and their insights our reporters. i want to add into this, the president is all in on reopening. he tweeted a video that shows him in the role of the president in the independence day movie. it's very well edited. you see in the front row, his campaign managers in there. extraordinary. there are other words you could use. but this is the president saying reopening is our independence, another pushback against the

scientists who say be cautious. >> the president is up at camp david and you would him to be meeting with his advisers formulating a plan for how to get the country out of this crisis. we've seen him tweeting memes and watching a lot of news and tweeting about trying to get democratic states to reopen. it's clear that the president sees this as a key part of his re-election message. he can't have his re-election be all about this pandemic and the fact that we have depression levels of unemployment and he's trying to change the narrative to a comeback playbook, a playbook in which he's fighting against the democratic resistance, fighting against democratic governors who have decided not to open up their states and casting it as a political scandal by trying to throw things back to the obama administration and say that president obama and president trump's rival joe biden are essentially criminals, treasonists, saying that they tried to block him from becoming president. he's running a playbook that's similar to what he did in 2016,

sowing division and sandal, but it's happening in the middle of a pandemic and it really remains to be seen how the public will judge him on the fact he's deciding to play rank partisan politics in the middle of a health care crisis. >> and play victim. he says democratic governors are out to get him, obama was out to get him. there's no evidence and the senate republicans will say they'll hold hearings on this. did anyone in the obama administration do anything wrong when they were trying to figure out what michael flynn was up to. but even the white house facebook page, this is a taxpayer official white house facebook page, we can show you pictures of it, playing on this obama theme. if you look at the president's tweets in recent days. 52% of his tweets about obama and russia, 23% about them about the coronavirus. 25% on other subjects. why the obama obsession? >> because if he's talking about obama, he's not talking about the response to the coronavirus,

the lack of testing. and the fact that his re-election is very closely tie today the economy. right now the economy is struggling because of this pandemic. he was right, this is about changing the subject and getting into a space where he's more comfortable, which is playing the victim. this idea that everyone is out to get him. he's been watching a lot of tv. he's been very open about the fact he doesn't like the coverage of how this administration has responded to the coronavirus. and i'm sure after seeing what obama said yesterday during several of those graduation speeches, that that will continue to fuel this feud. but, you know, there's fund-raising off of this. i got a text message from the trump campaign yesterday calling biden a crook. very much the same playbook we're used to. but the fact of the matter is, the coronavirus is still going

to dominate what we and everyone is talking about because it's affecting the lives of everyone in this country and around the world every day. >> he's trying to move the margins. if you don't like donald trump, you don't think he's honest, he's going to smear the other person and bring them down to make them equal so people don't like any of them. this will be a referendum on him anyway. he thought he was going to have a strong economy. at the moment he doesn't. we had another friday night firing. the president firing the state department inspector general on friday night. this is part of a pattern. the inspector general for the intelligence community fired, the acting hhs secretary fired, now the state department inspector general, not an acting, fired. in the case of steve linick, the reporting is he was investigating, it's an investigation, there's no proof of anything, the possibility that mike pompeo was asking an aide at the state department to do personal work and political

work, not official government work. again, that was the beginning of an investigation. we don't know the answers. what does it tell you that the president yet again, somebody's job it is to hold this president and any administration accountable, not allowed to do his work. >> the president feels unbound. he does not feel like he has to abide by some of the rules that previous presidents have abided by. you've seen other senators sort of keep mum about this. a few have spoken about, including mitt romney, and said this is unacceptable. the president feels unbound even in the middle of a pandemic to start getting rid of government officials who he believes are getting too close to his administration when it comes to investigating things or undermining his goals and he believes that after seeing so many government officials testify in his impeachment hearings, especially, against him, that he needs to root out all of the people in his administration who don't agree with him or support him and he's been on this witch-hunt for the

last three months in firing several officials who are part of his administration. >> it will be remarkable if we get anymore peeps out of the republicans on capitol hill. we shall see. we appreciate your time. more painful economic numbers and a divide in washington about whether the government needs to spend more to help you. when i was a young kid in third grade,

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more than 36 and a half million americans have filed for unemployment just in the last eight weeks. 39% in households making less than $40,000 a year have reported losing a job just in the month of march. this is hitting lower class families the most. in the orange states, 15 to 24%, only in seven states is the unemployment claims filing below 15%. still a painful toll. this pandemic is taking jobs away across the country. look at the small business perspective. 7% of small businesses say they have no money left, no cash available to pay their bills. 41% in the purple here say they have less than a month left, punishing small business, which is a big engine of the american economy. the democrats on friday did pass another new bill, $3 trillion in spending, a trillion for state and local governments, money for hazard pay, mortgage relief,

direct payments to individuals and families, unemployment benefits, more testing money. the democrats say they should pass that right now. if they did, it would essentially match the three major bills so far. 3 trillion spent so far. the democrats want to spend 3 trillion more. the federal reserve issued that report about the pandemic's toll on working class americans. >> the record shows that deeper and longer recessions can leave behind lasting damage to the productive capacity of the economy. additional fiscal support could be costly but worth it if it avoids long-term damage and leaves us with a stronger recovery. >> speaker pelosi says that plan passed on friday is needed now. the president, latest position, maybe some more, but not as much as the democrats want. >> this week the speaker

published an 1800-page seasonal catalog of left-wing oddities and called it a coronavirus relief bill. >> now some of the members say, let's take a pause. let's take a pause? do you think this virus is taking a pause? do you think that the rent takes a pause? >> it's going to happen in a better way for the american people. >> up next for us, an urgent global mission to understand a coronavirus inflammatory illness that threatened children. for over 25 years, home instead has helped seniors stay home. now, staying home isn't just staying in the place they love. it's staying safe. it's essential. if your loved one needs in-home care, we're here to help. home instead. to us, it's personal.

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coronavirus conversation took a troubling turn for parents in recent days. 18 states and the district of columbia now investigating a mysterious coronavirus-related illness in children. a cdc advisory calls it multisymptom inflammatory syndrome. there are cases in france, italy, the and uk too. the world health organization is urging doctors worldwide to share their notes. more than 100 of the cases are in new york. the governor there says it's proof there's still a lot we don't know. >> children weren't going to be infected. except now we're studying 100 cases where children are in fact affected by the virus.

and some of them very serious. i cannot stress highly enough, do not underestimate this virus and do not play with this virus. >> 12-year-old julia daley's fight included four days on a ventilator. >> i woke up in the morning feeling fine for about three seconds. then my stomach started to hurt pretty bad and i wanted to throw up because i was also feeling nauseous. >> she had blue lips and her extremities were cold. so that's when it was like, this is not, you know, normal flu. >> dr. jeffrey burns is chief of critical care at boston's children's hospital. thanks for being with us this sunday. dr. burns, when you hear this young girl tell her story, they had to give her cpr, her heart stopped, she was on a ventilator

for four days. is that typical or is that more extreme? >> that appears to be a more extreme side of the presentation. >> so i want to put up on the screen, just comparing, parents started off hearing children aren't as susceptible to covid and appear to be more resistant to covid. you see on the left side this new syndrome and on the right side, what people were told at the beginning. what is the same and what is different when you look at the beginning of the coronavirus conversation and what you're now seeing with this syndrome in children? >> it is confusing. it's worth talking through briefly. covid-19 unfortunately frequently causes critical illness in children. some children get critically ill and need to be on a ventilator, but by and large children are the least affected by covid-19.

that's one of the few bright spots in this terrible pandemic. it also indicates children's immune response may hold the key to better understanding how adults are not responding and how a vaccine could be developed. now, this new disorder, we've only really identified this in the last three weeks. and so it does point to the fact that we do have to just follow the data and that we can't make long term pronouncements about what will happen, we must simple take the data as it comes. this new multiple system inflammatory syndrome was first identified in europe about four to five weeks ago. it started with a few cases and then more of a cluster. these children present, if you look at when they're presenting to the hospital, they appear to be presenting about four weeks after the peak incidence of covid-19 in the general population. so it's not -- it's not -- we

don't believe, it's not a primary infection with covid-19. rather, it's a delay of about four weeks from the peak presentation. and many of these children have antibodies against covid-19, leading to some of the thought, and again, we have to do research, because it has yet to be determined the exact trig remember, but some of the discussion in the medical community is, is this what we call a post viral syndrome, meaning that the child's own antibodies or white cells or immune response effectively fought off covid-19 infection weeks prior such that their parents may not even notice that the child was at all ill or symptomatic, but now four weeks later or so, their child's own immune response is causing the fever and the inflammation that we see here. >> so when the president says he thinks it will be fine to reopen schools in september, do you

know the answer to that question yet? we mentioned this is only weeks old. would you feel comfortable putting children back in a group setting like that? can children infect each other i guess is part of my question. >> there was an article in "pediatrics" that called for an expert commission of scientists and psychologists. that's the first place to go. we need to understand and get better data. we should be hopeful that we can be wise and work around the virus. as just discussed, we didn't know about this if he no, ma'am unanimo phenomenon three weeks ago. we can't look ahead six months and make predictions about a virus that only started afflicting the human race six months ago.

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