condolences this morning to the family of the legendary phyllis george, a former miss america who went on to break barriers as a pioneering female sports broadcaster. she was a beautiful soul, a wonderful woman, and a beloved mother to our senior white house correspondent, pamela brown and her brother, lincoln. may her memory be a blessing. what a horrible loss. thank you for spending your sunday morning with us. fareed zakaria starts right now. this is "gps," the "global public square," welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria coming to you live from new york. ♪ today on the show, you never want a serious crisis to go to waste. that is what rahm emanuel famously said. i will ask the former white house chief of staff and former chicago mayor his thoughts on

how we should use this crisis. also -- >> china's been taking advantage of the united states for many, many years. >> the trump administration seems headed towards a cold war with china richard haass, a republican and adviser to three presidents explains why this is a dangerous strategy. and how to live life after the lockdown. doctor, author and "new yorker" staff writer, atul gawande, gives us his prescriptions, ones that have been tested and work. finally the french have come a long way from the long-favored line "let them eat cake." so what are they encouraging now? stay tuned and find out. but first, here's my take. if anyone thought a global pandemic that has so far killed more than 85,000 americans who

would override the country's partisan divide, think again. it turns out that democrats are significantly more likely than republicans to believe that the pandemic is serious and follow cdc guidelines. preliminary studies using cell phone data show people in more republican areas of the country have been moving around more than in democratic areas. this has led many to wonder why partisanship has become so strong in the u.s. that people will not listen to experts even at the risk of their own health. but there's a broader distrust that we need to understand. i recognized it while reading a book that's not about covid-19 at all but shed strong light on the situation, explaining why so many people across the west, really, have rejected the establishment. michael lynn writes the issue is not the issue, the issue is power. social power exists in three realms, government, the economy, and the culture. each of these three realms of

social power is the site of class conflict. he argues the best way to understand america today is through this lens of class conflict which has been sharpened by the rise of an overclass that dominates the three spheres he mentions. in all three leaders tend to be urban, college educated professionals often with a post-graduate degree, and that makes them quite distinct from the rest of the country. only 36% of americans have a bachelor's degree. only 13% have a masters or more. and yet the top ranks everywhere are filled with this credentialed overclass. for many non-college educated people especially those living in rural areas there is a deep alienation from the new elite. they say the overclass as enacting policies that are presented as good for the whole country but really mostly benefit people from the ruling class, whose lives have gotten better over the past few decades while the rest are left behind. in this view, trade and

immigration help college educated professionals who work for multinational companies but hurt blue collar workers. so when they hear from the experts about the inef taibility of globalization and the need to accept it, they resist. it does not resonate with their lived experience. let's look at the covid-19 through this prism. imagine you're an american who works with his hands a truck driver, construction worker, oil rig mechanic, and you just lost your job because of the lockdowns, as have over 36 million people. you turn on the television, you hear medical experts, academics, technocrats, journalists explain that we must keep the economy closed. in other words, we must keep you unemployed because public health is important. now, all these people making the case on tv have jobs, have maintained their standards of living, in fact are now in greater demand. they feel they're doing

important work. you, on the other hand, you have lost your job. you feel a sense of worthlessness, and you are terrified about your family's day-to-day survival. is it so hard to understand why people like this might be skeptical of the experts? the covid-19 divide is a class divide. the bureau of labor statistics released a report last year on the job flexibilities of u.s. employees. of the top 25% of income earners, more than 60% can stay home and still do their jobs. of the bottom 25% of income earners, fewer than 10% can work from home. in the early days of the crisis, only 13% of people in households making over $100,000 were laid off or furloughed, compared to 39% in households making less than $40,000. dr. anthony fauci has said that he understands that maintaining these social distancing

guidelines is inconvenient for many people. they're not just inconvenient, they're life shattering. no one in america or elsewhere has all the knowledge to formulate the perfect formula to open up and move ahead. even dr. fauci acknowledged that during congressional testimony this week when he was asked whether schools should open. i don't have an easy answer to that. i just don't, he said. situations regarding school will be very different in one region versus another. regarding the economy he noted -- >> i don't give advice about economic things, i don't give advice about anything other than public health. >> so let's all recognize we need to hear many voices as we make these difficult decisions, and that those making the decisions need to have empathy for all americans. those whose lives are at risk, but also those whose lives have been turned upside down in other ways by this horrible disease. to read and comment on my

"washington post" column, go to cnn.com/fareed, let's get started. ♪ the people want to get on with their lives. that is what president trump tweeted on thursday in response to a wisconsin court decision that effectively ended the governor's lockdown there. the president wants to open quickly in opposition to some state and local politics around the country. my first guest, rahm emanuel, has worked everywhere from the white house to city hall, congressman of illinois, chair of the house democratic caucus, most recently mayor of chicago. welcome back to the show, rahm. >> thank you, fareed. >> so how should we think about this debate? is it time to open up? how should we open up? >> you know, fareed, i think that's slightly off kilter a

little. the debate is not really about reopening, which is somewhat -- that's where the president is and other people, governors and others are coming across as reluctant or resistant. i actually think democrats and the country should be having to debate you want to reopen? i want to rebuild america. i want to actually invest in america. you have 35 million americans unemployed. what if we said to the americans in the retail sector, we're going to train you, give you unemployment, we'll train you to become a computer coder and use this period of time or somebody in cybersecurity. you're not going to school? we're going to rebuild our schools? you're not driving? we'll rebuild the roads. when they're not used, we can get them done cheaper and more quicker. the president wants to be in the point of reopening. i want the democrats, speaking large, to rebuilding america. america never lost a challenge when it invested either in america or americans.

when we do that, that should be the message. right now, i think it's wrong -- >> but, rahm, how do you -- >> go ahead. >> how do you rebuild the roads, the infrastructure, the schools if everything is closed? the point is -- of course there are going to be millions of americans who can't -- 50-year-old truck driver cannot become a coder. >> no, well, wait a second. ask the jcpenney plea right nem now, ask the person who used to work the desk at neiman marcus. a lot of jobs are not coming back. rather than say they're not coming back, which our tone has been for 40 years, i would say there's going to be a transition, we'll invest in you so you can succeed in that transition. i don't buy into this category, you're essential, you're not essential. we don't have a person to waste in america in the 21st century. everybody is essential. our goal is to invest in your essentialness to the future. to the future of this country -- >> but should these states start

reopening? that's really the question. i mean -- or are you saying keep them locked down and keep having the government print more money, borrow more money and pay them? >> first of all -- first of all, we're going to, as the fed chair said, we have to continue to have monetary and fiscal stimulus. so we're going to make this. my question is do we give you an unemployment check or do we give you an unemployment check to hold on but also retrain you so as the economy comes back, you are able to succeed in that economy. that's the question. i actually disagree. that's a false choice reopening or not. and the fact is the way you do it is you do it with a plan that integrates health care, life and livelihood. those are our two goals, knot in opposition but collaboratively. i think it's a false choice. the president wants you to say it's reopen or not. that's not the way to look at it. national crises require national leadership. there hasn't been any of that. so we basically sent a bunch of

mayors and governors out and said go figure it out on your own without a narc naltional pl. never met a national crisis without a national plan or succeeded without one. when kids are not in schools? modernize the schools. when people are to the using the roads, rebuild those roads. it's more cost effective to do that. you can't tell me you can't go out and buildal schoo a school, community college. construction is happening all across the country. the problem is states can't access the resources because gas taxes are nil and the federal government can take the resources and do a real rebuilding of america. that's a missed opportunity. someone said never allow a good crisis to go to waste. how many times have we talked about having 21st century transportation system for a 21st century economy. this is the opportunity to

rebuild america, not just to reopen it to where there are no retail jobs coming back. a good portion of the people unemployed -- i would also say we need more nurses. invest in that. don't just give people an unemployment check, give them a skill that in six months allows them to succeed in the new future. that's what we should be doing. >> let me ask you about the politics of all this. the president is making the case very explicitly -- >> let's get to something i want to talk about. >> the president is making the case very explicitly that joe biden is out of it. and, you know, if you look at polls, a large number of people -- i think i saw one that said 35% believe biden will be replaced. what is going on? what should the biden campaign do to allay any fears people have that the candidate may be slipping in some way? >> look, i've talked to joe biden multiple times over the last two months.

i've had the same conversation with joe biden today as i did when i was chief of staff and he would come in and tell me what i needed to do up in congress to get something done and seek his advice on things. i see him there. he's fully conscious. we talk about a whole host of subjects on the economy, on the politics of the moment, the vice presidential selection. i'll leave it at that. i heard the same person on the phone that used to be in my office when i was xheef uas chif right next door to the vice president's office this is a whole distraction like everything else, attacking obama, from the fact that the president of the united states failed in those first costly eight weeks. and this is also a culture of corruption that exists in president trump's administration. every attack on joe biden is a mirror held up to what donald trump has done. he projects that failure on to somebody else to try to neutralize what is his vulnerability. the attack on joe biden about china is about the fact that

trump was on bended knee to china. we have a president whose president clorox and vice president lysol. give me a break. i'll take joe biden, and i've seen him energetic -- my phone calls are late into the night with him. if he's anything, he's got too much energy. i'm the one saying, joe, i have to go. time up. i'm very confident in the capacity of the vice president. i knew him when he was a senator, when i worked for president clinton. i knew him as a colleague in congress, chief of staff, mayor, i know him now. he's the same person i have seen before. he is, obviously, where he is in his life, but he has the capacities to address the challenges this country has and will bring a vitality and a sense of ownership of this rather than say i'm not responsib responsible. >> all right. we have to go. rahm emanuel, always a pleasure. >> thanks, fareed. next on "gps," a doctor, best-selling author gives his

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boston. welcome, atul. >> thank you. glad to be here. >> so, you point out in the article that what you guys have been able to do at the hospital, which is a very large hospital, lots of people, lots of people in close proximity of the virus, you have been able to put in place a regimen that really works and has resulted in very minimal infections. so tell us the regimen. >> yeah. so basically we're a hospital system of 75,000 people, which is more than 75% of counties in the united states populations. and like many hospitals, we've managed to avoid becoming sites of transmission. the key so that has been, you know, steps that everybody has heard about, but it's recognizing each are flawed. when you put them together, sort of like a drug cocktail, it's a combination therapy, it with be very effective. the four elements, hygiene, in

addition to social distancing, that's number two. number three, symptom screening. every time i go into work i'm asked -- i go to a website on my phone. i fill out a form that says do i have any of the symptoms of covid-19? it can be as simple as do i have a sore throat? do i have a runny nose? not just fever. fever is present less than 40% of the time when symptoms start. so, you know, if i have a runny nose, if i had a symptom, i should be staying home. that's critical. if i say no symptoms, i get a green pass to go in. if i indicate i have that runny nose, then i stay home, and i get set up for testing. and, you know, 90% of us will end up screening out, hey, it was just a cold or whatever. it's not coronavirus. but out of 50,000 people that were at the workplace in the last month, 11,000 of us had those symptoms, 1400, over 10% turned out to have coronavirus.

and we avoided going in and infecting people. so that's -- that's a critical element. we have to table thke that seri. then there's masks. masks deal with the fact that there's people -- about half or more of the spread is from people who don't have symptoms. and those people who don't have symptoms, they were wearing a mask and that prevents them from spreading to others. a term we know now that respiratory droplets can spread, not only when you sneeze or cough. sneezing is the most likely to spread. but even just talking. loud talking spreads more droplets that can contain virus than soft talking. wearing a mask ends up blocking those droplets. >> so, when you talk about this, you also mention that you are really being rigorous, the hand washing, mask wearing, social distancing, the six feet. you pointed out, for example, we should be washing our hands maybe five times a day.

you say that even ten times a day is actually almost ideal. >> yeah. each of these have elements we don't talk enough about. we talk about we should reopen, reopen. let's talk about what it takes to be really good at entering without infecting one another. the one example is hand washing moor than ten times a day cuts the likelihood that you will get infected by half. and at least that's what turned out in the sars end and pidemic seems likely to apply here. what does that mean? any time you go into a group space, before you enter that environment, you wash your hands. when you leave, you wash your hands or get a hand sanitizer, while you're in that space among people, every two to three hours you should be washing hands again. it's making it a significant habit. that won't solve the problem just by itself. social distancing then is the same thing. six feet, you have to understand it's not like a viral law. there's no stop sign that the virus won't pass six feet.

most of the cases can be avoided that way. but, you know, people sneeze and they can propel virus if they're at the peak of infectivity up to 15, 20 feet away. it's not the only answer. it's putting each of these steps together. the mask is very interesting because what is hard about it -- people struggle with this, it's about i'm protecting you, you protect me. there's some protection from the mask possibly because of filtration. a lot because you don't touch your mouth and nose. the biggest value is you don't spread the virus. if 60% of us where a mask that's 60% effective and a double layer cotton mask is at least that effective if well-fitting, we can shut down the virus. you put these together, you have those steps become a solution. >> how hard is it to change culture? i mean, this may be -- you may have to put on your writer's hat more than your doctor's hat on this one. will we do it?

>> so, i think the answer is yes. but it is the hardest part of this journey. our culture now is debating -- we all are saying we want safety, we want freedom. keep me safe, leave me alone. the culture that works in the hospital that is making this successful is the culture that says i never want to be the one to infect somebody and kill them. i said there are hundreds of thousands of people right now who have the virus, and they do not know it. we all have to act as if i have the virus, and that i care enough about my neighbors, i care enough about my community, i care enough about my family that i think i never want to be the one to infect somebody. i will put on a mask. i will keep my social distance. i will wash my hands regularly because i never want to be that one. understand there are going to be people who are not going to follow the rules. it's just going to be the case. but, you know, the nice thing

about what we're learning is we stick together, we all don't have to be perfect. if we get to over 60% of us using a mask with over 60% effectiveness and following these basic steps, we will clamp down on this. and we don't want to take those steps of leaving our lockdown until the levels are dropping. moving out now with those hundreds of thousands of people unlocking down will guarantee to spread that wide. i think in the next two weeks we will see the country doing better and better. we have to be talking about how we come out. not whether we come out. it's how we do it. >> atul gawande, always a pleasure. >> great to see you, fareed. next on "gps," the anti-china rhetoric from the white house heated up again this week. i will talk to richard haass about the prospects of a new cold war between washington and beijing. when the world gets complicated, a lot goes through your mind. with fidelity wealth management,

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told fox business he wasn't interested in speaking to his chinese counter part, xi jinping. trump said america could cut off its whole relationship with china. is that even possible in this interconnected age? richard haass is the president of the council on foreign relations and the author of a terrific new book "the word: a brief introduction." we'll get to that in a second. first i want to ask you, richard, we almost have a bipartisan consensus that we have to get very tough on china. trump is saying what he's saying. biden's attacks on trump is not that this is a bad idea but he

was there first, and that trump has been cozying up to china. you heard rahm emanuel say that a bit earlier. where does this go and is it a wise strategy for america? >> fareed, it's one of those times where i begin to question the desirability and wisdom of bipartisanship. i think this anti-china push underestimates china's limits and weaknesses. i think it probably exaggerates its ambitions, most important it seems to me to place china at the center of american foreign policy is misplaced. we can and should push back against china, that's not going to make us competitive. that's all about our schools, our infrastructure, our research and development funding. and overseas we can push back against china, that's not going to make us safe against the next pandemic or against terrorism or against climate change. we need a 21st century foreign policy, and pushing back against china is only one part of it. >> and what do you think is

behind this sort of -- the republican push mike pompeo, peter navarro to investigate the origins of the virus? because even they seem to acknowledge, even fox news reports that they think this was essentially accidental. they might have accidentally gotten out of the lab or accidentally gotten out into the wet market. i'm trying to understand what difference does that make? why is this push about, you know, are they culpable in some way even if they are admittedly -- you know, it happened by incompetence or accident. >> we could learn something and then it could help us deal with the next pandemic or prevent it. let's call a spade a spade. it's deflection, it's politics, and china -- china should be criticized, fareed, i think you would agree with that, with how it handled the outbreak of this pandemic, these markets should have never been opened.

they silenced the public health people. they misrepresented, they didn't cooperate with the world. even if china had behaved well, if they were a textbook citizen, that doesn't let us off the hook. here we are four, five months later we still can't test anything like the scale we need to. it doesn't explain our lack of stockpiled equipment. i think it's right to look at china. it's right to ask for a full investigation, we might learn something. but let's not kid ourselves, position heal thyself. we should take lessons on where we got it wrong. >> i want to look at one of these issues through the prism of your book. you talk about in the book that globalization is a reality, how we deal with it is a choice. very well put. when i look at the w.h.o., i think about it in that context, which is that everybody is attacking it, but the truth is we have these global problems, these pandemics, these viruses that spill over borders, then the question is can you have

some kind of global response and the truth is the w.h.o. is very small, pretty -- modest funding, and most importantly it's not allowed to push back against other countries. yes, it didn't push back against china, absolutely clear. it also doesn't push back against the united states. that's -- we've designed these international institutions not to deal with the global problems, and it strikes me as a perfect example of the point, you make in your book that the problems are getting global, but the solutions are remaining local and national. >> exactly right. s this there is enormous gap between global challenges and responses. one of the most common phrase is international community, and there's not much of one. whether it's climate change or global health, we need to narrow the gap. if it's impossible to improve the w.h.o. because china and other sovereign governments won't allow it, let's form a club.

let's form an arrangement where ourselves and other like-minded countries set the rules, build the capacities to help the world. it's not w.h.o. or nothing, that's the best approach and principle, but if it is not in practice, let's work around it. >> weceding a certain amount of leadership. president trump said we'll cut back our contributions by 90%. wouldn't the chinese then say we'll expand? that's what they've done in the u.n. every time we stepped back, the chinese say great, this gives us more opportunities for global leadership. i don't get how we'll dominate the international system by constantly abdicating. >> the reason you don't get it is because we won't. we're creating all sorts of space and opportunity for china, even though china is essentially in many cases pushing a really flawed agenda, if there's no push back they're going to prevail. we need to be more involved. one lesson of the pandemic is that we ignored globalization

and ignore the world at our peril. the other has got to be not only is isolationism deeply flawed, but unilateralism is. we have to get on the field. we have to play. you can't win the game unless you play. all too often this administration has taken itself off the field. >> let me ask you finally, richard, about american soft power. this is a concept that a friend of ours, joe nyer wrote about a lot. when you think the world looks at the way everybody seems to have screwed up in the united states, not just trump, the cdc got the wrong tests out, the department of -- hhs has not been able to put a testing regimen in place. do you think that effects the way that people look at american empowerment? you spent so much time as an american diplomat, do you think the fact that the united states is clearly not the world leader in the response to this covid, will it effect our ability to

persuade pressure, encourage things around the world? >> the short answer is yes. foreign policy is not just what military people or diplomats say and do. it's about who and what we are. the example we set. if we had been incompetent in dealing with this virus, that would have sent the message. if american politics were functional rather than dysfunctional that would send a powerful message. when we had something like the financial crisis in 2008, that sent a powerful message. but the wrong kind of message. so everything we are as a society, as an economy, as a political entity, that says something to the world. people around the world get up in the morning and they say do we want to be more or less like the united states? do we want to emulate them, depend on them? are they impressive? are they reliable? so a big part of our policy is not foreign. a big part of foreign policy is what we are. >> as always, richard, huge pleasure to have you on.

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book, "pandemic." welcome, sonia. >> nice to be here. we had these pathogens around, we've seen them increasing, sars, mers, avian flu, h1n1, zika. what is it that is making our world so much more conducive so these outbreaks? >> we know most of these pathogens that are re-emerging and emerging today originate in the bodies of animals. mostly wild animals. and the reason that's happening is because we are changing patterns of how our bodies interact with the bodies of animals. that's because we're destroying so much wildlife habitat. we have covered over half of the landscape of the planet with our homes, towns, mines, farms, et cetera. that leaves very little habitat for wildlife species, that's partly why we have this bio

diversity crisis where we're losing 150 species a day. >> you have an example of how the west nile virus was always around, but how the loss of bio diversity made it lethal. >> yeah. there's a lot of examples of this. with west nile virus, for example, we -- it's a virus of mig migratory birds, those birds have been landing on their migration patterns for many years, hundreds of thousands of years. we didn't have west nile virus outbreaks in the united states until 1999. and one reason that might be is because up until recently we had a diversity of bird species in our domestic bird flocks. we had birds like woodpeckers, rails, these diverse bird species were good at repelling west nile virus. what happened over the past 50 years or so, we lost a lot of that avian bio diversity. wood peckers and rails are

pretty rare now, now we have robbins, crows. bird species that can live in any disturbed environment, which is what we left for them. it turns out while woodpeckers and rails are really good at repelling west nile virus, robbins and crows are carriers. so the fewer wood peckers and rails you have around, the more robbins and crows you have around, the more west nile virus you have. so a mosquito will bite a domestic bird and then bite a human being. and that's what's happened in 1999, and that was the trigger for the first outbreak of west nile virus in north america. since ten it has spread across the country. >> do you think that we will change in some fundamental ways the kind of things you were talking about, our interaction with nature or more generally change our behavior in ways that will be meaningful, people wonder whether the handshake is

dead, whether the office is dead, what do you think, having looked at some of this in the past, what's your prediction? >> i think a lot will depend on the stories we tell about where this thing came from and why it sort of caused all the death and destruction it has caused. as long as we think of it as something outside of ourselves and we're the victims of, i don't have much hope that we'll fundamentally change our relationships with others. if you look at the history of other infectious diseases, the thing that's so frustrating is that we don't change. we got rid of malaria, for example, in the united states after having it for hundreds of years, even after we knew how to prevent it, even after we had good cures for it, we had it until the 1940s. the reason we finally got rid of it is not because we did anything to change the epidemiology of malaria on purpose but because we decided

to electrify the rural south. there's a similar story for cholera and other pathogens that we've conquered. we've done it basically by mistake. through other means of social development or economic need or commerce. so we don't purposely go after infectious diseases as much as we might think that we do. so, i think the idea that we're going to have this hugely changed world after this pandemic is maybe exaggerated. i think what i've seen in history of looking at these pathogens over time is that we go right back to business as usual, as soon as the thing ends, as soon as we have a drug or vaccine, as soon as we can kind of ghettoize these diseases, we don't do the fundamental social change that we could do. i think we can hope that we have a bigger change, that would push us in the right direction.

i think it depends on how we understand this moment we're in. >> sonia shah, pleasure to have you on. yours is a very important voice in all of this. thank you. >> thank you. next on "gps," what would france be without baguettes, croissant, frogs leg and frommage, they're being asked to do their patriotic duty and eat more of one of those food stocks. find out which one when we come back. because our way works grt for us! but not for your clients. that's why we're a fiduciary, obligated to put clients first. so, what do you provide? cookie cutter portfolios? nope. we tailor portfolios to our client's needs. but you do sell investments that earn you high commissions, right? we don't have those. so, what's in it for you? our fees are structured so we do better when our clients do better. at fisher investments we're clearly different.

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two and a quarter centuries ago, marie antoinette met her end under the guillotine. legend says when she she was told there was no bread to eat for the peasants, she said let

them eat cake. all of this brings me to my question of the week. what food stuff are french people being urged to consume now? croissants, frogs legs, cheese or baguettes? stay tuned and we'll bring you the correct answer. i have two great new books for you this week. richard haass the world, a brief introduction and the new class war by michael lindh. you already heard plenty about them both in the show. they're well worth your time. the answer to my question this week is "c." the french dairy industry is facing a glut of spoiled product as consumption of the nation's formidable catalog of fromage declined 60% in three weeks after paris enacted a nationwide lockdown on march 17th. the guardian reports french consumers have stocked up on essential foods instead and since most varieties of french cheese go bad in eight weeks or

less, pallets of product are put t r ish rifying as i speak. the there's a new variety that requires months to age. they can pay up front now for guaranteed delivery when the cheese matures. but the french industry is taking a different tact. with michelle lacoste saying he expects consumers to feast on fromage to maintain the french culture, the french tradition, the french heritage that we all share. we at "gps" are always happy to help out our friends in french, so feel pree free to send us an extra brie.

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hey, i'm brian stelter live in new york, this is "reliable sources," looking at the story behind the story. this hour we're talking about a tale of two presidents. the differences in these communication styles. plus now president trump insisting we've prevailed, but how exactly? the war against covid-19 is still raging, so we'll talk about how journalists must balance fantasy and reality. later this hour, former australian prime minister kevin rudd, a fascinating conversation with him and his