to our view eers, thanks very mh for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in the swak room. you can follow me on twitter and instagram. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, president trump doubles down on hydroxychloroquine calling a study that shows its ineffective phony and an enemy statement. we'll talk u to a doctor who poke to the white house about the drug. what did he tell them. also a new warning from doctors on the coronavirus related illness in children. what parents should look for and why they need to seek attention immediately and will parents send their kid to school this fall? perhaps a more important question to many tonight, new york city new york city's chancellor are more guests. let's go "outfront." good ooempk. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, this is what the president is calling a study

of patients at a va medical centers about the drug he has been taking, hiydroxyhydroxychl, has no benefit for coronavirus patients and the patients had a high e death rate when taking the drug. >> if you look at the one survey, the only bad survey they were giving it to people that are in very bad shape, they were very old. almost dead. it was a, a trump enemy statement. that study was a phony study put out by the va. >> and the university of virginia. researchers found those -- did not reduce the need for a ventilator. those are pretty damming results. the president acting like it's an enemy study. this was a study on veterans. trump calls it phony, but it's not only study that says it's

ineffective. the new england journal of medicine and the journey of the american medical association. both finding no evidence the drug works. and of course there were smaller studies which show ed the same. and yet the president is still taking it. tonight, marco rubio was asked about the president encouraging americans to take the drug and told cnn and i quote him, i don't know how many people in america take medicines based on what a president or any political figure tells them. well since the president started talking aup up the drug, there's been a spike in demand for the drug resulting in a a back order for people who usually take it. for example, people with lupus who actually need it. we know that from the scripps data. so why is trump pushing the drug? when study after study has shown it does not work to cure coronavirus? >> i'm just talking about as a line of defense, i'm dealing with a lot of people. look at all the people in the room. i'm the president and dealing

with a lot of people. >> he's dealing with a lot of people. i guess the translation is so he's take iing the drug to prev him from from getting coronavirus in the first place from any of them. so to be very clear, president trump is say iing he would u rather take an unproven drug which is proven to cause heart issues in some patients. a drug that could cause him harm. he would rather do that than what the cdc and his own task force are doing what they're telling us to do, the most effective line of defense, wear a mask. and he's sending that message again loud and clear today. refusing yet again to wear his mask or i guess he doesn't even have one, at the capitol and his own cabinet meeting. now there, they're not wear iin them so then it enthe terrors in this. he still appears to be b relying on the rapid tests that have f a double digit fail rate to go mask free. kaitlyn collins is outside the white house. the president tripling down on his use of the drug today then

having the cabinet back him up. >> yeah, we saw the president very defensive after an outpouring of warnings from medical experts when revealed he was taking hydroxychloroquine. what was new today as you saw that several of the officials were reenforcing the president's decision, including his health and human services secretary, alex azar, that he believes is the president is the right to try president, referencing the legislation of drugs still being investiga investigated. it's an approved drug, the president is just using it as w a different use. and so not just the health and human services secretary though erin, it was also the veterans affairs secretary, distancing themselves from that study saying it wasn't a va study though of course as you noted, it was done on veterans affairs patients and after reviewing their medical charts, he was noting it was not peer reviewed

or published in a medical journal, which is correct, but did not note that the trump administration funded the study. it was done by the national institute of health and the university of virginia and they put out the results in april. now of course the president is is directly disputing thechlt but one thing they didn't talk b about was the fda's own warning about using this when it comes to coronavirus. that was part of something published just in april and they were saying there today, nothing about this. but instead focusing on this study that the president said he believed was fphony and put out by someone who is not a friend of the trump administration. >> all right. using the word enemy. thank you very much. and i want to go now to the principle investigator on a study of hydroxychloroquine at the university of minnesota. i know there hasn't been much research done on using hydroxychloroquine basically to prevent someone from getting coronavirus. so if you're exposed to it and they want to make sure you don't

get it taking hydroxychloroquine in that capacity, which is what the president appears to to be . you are researching the drugs used in that capacity. i know the white house did reach out to you to ask for your advice. what happened? >> well, i think that the issue of can it be use d as a preventative is unknown. that's why we're doing the clinical trials to answer that question. at this stage, it might work, it might not work. we really don't know. the recommendation really for the general public is that this is not a medicine that should used outside of a clinical or if you're hospitalized. >> right. so i was -- who does have access, around the clock medical care that other americans would not. is that your understanding?

he's made it clear he asked his doctor, he want ed to take it ad they reached out to you to try to get the best information they could, but is is that your information, your understanding that they felt they could monitor him? >> so i think you look at what's the actual danger of this medicine and so it's certainly a a medicine that's been used for decades and decades and in people who don't have preexisting heart rhythm problems, it's a fairly safe medicine and so that when i was asked b about this, i did share that the types of adverse events and side effects we saw in our clinical trials so over all, we've enrolled almost 3,000 volunteers in our clinical trials over the last two months and yes, there are side effects with the medicine but the vast majority of those are pretty mild. upset stomach and nausea and diarrhea and mild siding effects overall. so in the 3,000 patients that we've enroll ed, we have not sen any serious side effects that have resulted in hospitalization

or these cardiac arrhythmias that people are so concerned about. >> right, now obviously the president, you can check whether he has a cardiac arrhythmia for regular people, much hard e to do. obviously you're making it clear, you would not tell anyone else to do what he's doing even though it may be okay that he's doing what he's doing. am i summarizing it correctly? >> yeah, i think there's no data this helps and there are certainly side effects to the medication so that's why we want to do verge studies so if people want to help with this, there are a number of research studies around the country. our research study is enrolling high risk health care workers or first responders, so police, fire, paramedics and they can go to our website, covidpret.edu if they want to participate. >> when are you going to know? >> yeah, so we have some trials that have are wrapping up and hopefully we'll have results on sort of post exposure prof lax

sis like president trump's situation. hope to release these in the next week. then the preexpo e sure for prevention ahead f time, that's not going to study and the more participants we can get, the faster we'll get results. >> i appreciate your time. thank you very much and for making the distinction. obviously could be significant. thank you again and i want to go now to dr. rheiner who adviced the white house medicial team ad president bush, currently drek of the cardiac cath lab and dana bash. the president stands by his use of hydroxychloroquine today. you heard him say quote, if you look at the one survey, the only bad survey, they were giving it to people that were in very bad shape. they were very old. almost dead. it was a trump enemy statement. now of course, the people studied in that survey were the age of trump.

between 70 and 75. he's 74 in a couple of weeks. so there anything he's saying true and a reason to ignore not just that study, but others which raise questions? >> well, what i thought the president said was incredibly dangerous. he called a clinical study phony. and he then essentially called the clinical trial participants, the investigators, he called the investigators not friends of trump. not supporters of trump. so a clinical trial that delivered an adverse result, science that delivered an adverse result, the president painted with a political brush and completely discredited the integrity of the people conducting the science. incredibly dangerous. what if he doesn't like the result of a vaccine trial? what if another country comes up with a vaccine first?

is he going to doubt the crede bability of the science? incredibly insulting to the clinical trials who did this. this was a va study. outrageous. it's not the only study with bad results. there was a much larger study, very similar design out of columbia, the same thing. no benefit for the drug. i want to say one other thing. your last guest told us something disturb iing which iss white house reached out -- if the drug, if the drug is either safe or effective or if it's not safe or effective, that should -- not with the single patient. >> so dana, the president was on capitol hill today for lumpbl with republican senator ts and i referenced this, but again, choosing to take this drug.

as opposed to wearing a mask, right? he's not wearing one and others you know in his inner circle l were not either. you know, his team from the white house and then at the cabinet meeting, no masks. and i guess presumably he's relying on the test. that abbott lab test that could have a failure rate of up to 15% even though two people including the one that he appears to be take bing the medicine were taking that test and were eventually positive. so is this just now a political thing? he's just not going to do it. >> yes. that's the real answer. yes, it is political. you know, if he were following the science, he would do a lot of different things than he is doing now. first on the question you asked about the mask, he would be wearing the mask just to be cautious as the republican

leadership were standing behind him. those who work for him, who were appointed by him in the cabinet, whether they were told to or not is the case, but they're not new here in the trump world and they understand that if the president doesn't wear a mask, there's no way they're going to sit in his cabinet room and wear a mask. one thing i want to say, the doctor brought the medical reason for what the president said today about these studies being so dangerous because it you know, it has a cooling effect on the real medicine that people should be listening to and the doctors medical advice. one thing that i understand is that you remember a couple of weeks ago when the president was making that suggestion and one of his last press conferences, task force press conferences about potentially injecting some kind of clorox or something along those lines, bleach, his poll numbers internally went down and the reason for that is

because he people don't like him playing doctor. they like him playing president or business man or the things that they know him. as. and the statement that he made today might be in that dangerous territory. and so he might be trying to help himself politically, erin, but he actually could be hurting himself based on what i'm hearing that they're seeing internally. >> all right. thank you both very much. and next, you know, we've all know this at this point. testing is the key to reopening. to preventing a second surnl so should the united states pay people to get tested? there's an idea. plus the nation's largest school system revealing new details about what classes are going to look like in the coming months. can new york city start school in the fall? can new york city afford not to? the city's school lchancellor i "outfront" and why the administration is so eager to e reopen the economy. >> how many workers should give their lives to increase the gdp

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those flags from half-staff. sunrise tomorrow, connecticut becomes the final state to start. restaurants will reopen but outdoor only. >> we'll see when people feel comfortable. >> outdoor office space and in fe perscription retail, but my restrictions remain. >> we're taking baby steps. >> another big chunk of new york state reopened, but no big memorial day parade this weekend. gatherings limited to just ten. a packed graduation ceremony in oklahoma. the assistant principal said they did -- didn't see many or any. other signs were far from fine. canada will stay closed at least another month. for their safety. >> we know that we need to do

more to ensure that travelers who are coming back from overseas or from the united states as canadians are properly followed up on. >> hawaii also extended the mandatory two week quarantine for all visitors now through the end of june. more colleges are recon figuring the academic year to start, but then stop in americperson class again around thanksgiving for a fear of a covid resurgence in full. >> this is something i think will change the landscape of higher education. >> and more proof that covid-19 is not in fact a great leveller. new york city released zip code data that shows black and latino new yorkers dying around twice the rate of their white counterparts when adjusted for age. signs of hope, some nfl training facilities reopened today. southwest just reported an uptick in ticket sales and this in arkansas. ♪ a concert.

temperature checks on the way in and so-called fan pulse. no mosh pit. and here in los angeles county, home to 10 million people, the county supervisor has now set july 4th, independence ta day, as the goal by which she wants most business reopened. we're talking shopping malls, dine in restaurants, but you know, it's reassuring to get a date to see the light at the end of the tunnel, erin, but also it's more than six weeks away. >> yeah, and you know, for everyone at this point, that just, it just is hard to imagine. thank you very much. and "outfront" now, the director of the harvard global health institute. the context for this discussion about reopening is, are we going to have a second surge or not. in texas today, cases up again. it saw its biggest single day

jump on saturday. now the dallas mayor says that this is you know, mostly about reopening businesses. people coming back out, but the texas governor says the it's due to an increase in testing so the more you test t the more you see. who do you think is right? are we seeing an increase because things are opening or not? >> yeah, so thanks for having me on. what i would say is georgia has not seen a big surge. they've been flat or down. texas has been up. and in both instances, i would say it's pretty early. pretty soon to tell. it will take several weeks. and of course we're not opening up and going back to oldy ol days. so people are still being cautious. some of those -- make me really anxious about people packing together at that graduation for instance. but i think if people practice social distancing maybe with warm weather, we can get bailed out and not have big increases but we'll know a lot r more in the next couple of weeks. >> when the cold weather comes, we'll talk about the schools, which are already preparing for

closures. when that happens, you just mentioned social distancing. a new computer model sew shows this a loigt breeze could carry some droplets from a cough as far as 19 feet. so a light, normal ta, 18 feet in less than two seconds. the droplets accord iing to the study only stayed within six feets when there was no wind, zero. so does this raise any questions about social distancing? >> yes, so look, most of the transmissions don't happen under a casual you're walking by somebody and you get infected. most of it is much more sustained exposure. indoors or out. >> more virus, more conversation. >> yeah. requires conversation and this is why i think universal masking is so important and if you're wearing a mask and staying six feet apart, you're going to be pretty safe. is there a theoretical risk if someone coughs and a wind happens, yeah, but unlikely. so i think if we stick to the six feet rule for now, unless we

get much better evidence that that really is a problem and if we're all wearing masks, i think it's safe to get out and talk to people. >> and quickly before we go, "washington post" survey, you got a lot of people where you have a lot more tests now than people that are lining up to take them. people aren't bothering to get the tests. michael greenstone suggested people should be paid to be tested. is that what it's come to? >> no, so the way i look at this is is you know for months, we've been p telling people don't bother getting a test if you have mild symptom, don't get a test, there are none available. well we have finally made progress and i think we need to start encouraging people to get tested even with mild symptoms. not just for their sake, but for the sake of their contacts so we can identify who else has been infected so i think it's important. >> thanks very much. appreciate it. >> thank you. next, from kindergarten to college, schools are struggling

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summer for for nearly 178,000 students in new york city will be held online. new york is the largest school system in the united states. it's a bellwether and it could change what schools across the country do. this comes as more colleges and universities make it clear that at least another semester could go by with students missing in person classes. changing the education they get and impacting their lives, too. "outfront" now, the new york city schools chancellor who o r oversees more than 1.1 million students and mitch daniels, the president of purdue university. also the fomer republican governor of indiana. i'll spike to you governor daniels in a moment. chancellor, i want to start with you. there's a report in the local e paper, the "new york post," that

says a few weeks ago you told city principals there was only a 50/50 chance schools would be open in september. where would you put that number tonight? >> i would say that we're probably, we want to be optimistic, but we've got to be realistic and just a few weeks ago, we weren't even talking about the system inflammatory disease in children. misc. so this virus is promulgating and it rating in ways that even our scientists don't know, so we have to be just realistic about preparing for the unknown. while at the same time, being optimistic that we'll be back in in person learning in the fall. so the -- i'm not a handicapper, but i would say we need b to be prepared for all eventualties. >> so you know, a new study published in the journal health affairs and i understand you raised the issue of the inflammatory syndrome r, but it

found that while closing restaurants had a noticeable impact on slowing the spread of coronavirus, closing schools had little impact. when you take this data into account and something that could be very scary, but incredibly rare, does that lean you towards reopening the schools? >> well i think look, there's nothing more precious than someone's child. so we take that trust very sacredly and there are no more closer quarters and social distancing than schools. kids interact. they like to be together. you add into that mix adults and we know now that there are asymptomatic carriers of the virus, so we need to be able to account for all of those variables so that parents feel safe and secure that their children are going to be in an environment where they're not going to get sick. but also, that adults are in an environment where they know they're not going to be exposed to asymptomatic carriers as

well. all these are the variables we're looking at. >> we've heard about the covid slide. look at data from over 5 million kids from grades three through eight. they said extended school closures of which we are in, could mean students retain only half of what they learned in math. never mind everything they should have learned post when school got out. this is terrifying, chancellor, and it could mean that kids fall behind forever. do you believe in online learning could make up for this? >> you just articulated what keeps me up every night. how is this prum uomulgating th opportunity and achievement gap. in new york city, we've taken this head on. we've now shipped over 290,000 wi-fi enabled devices to our students. we have single handedly in two months bridged the technological divide in new york city, but we understand that a teacher, a

well trained teacher in the classroom and students can never be replaced by anything else so our goal is how do we continue to build our capacity to meet the needs of our students while at the same time, make sure that we're being safe for all of our students and staff at the same time. >> so i guess i'm just trying to understand how hard you're pushing to open schools. you've made fighting for disadvantaged children part of the core of your chancellorship. you said we have to create a school system that's equitable and slepexcellent. a study found that teachers in the highest poverty school districts right now say a third of their students haven't even logged on once to online learning. three times higher than in the wealthiest districts. so you see what's happening now is maybe everyone's falling behind. but the poorest kids are falling behind by far the most. what's a bigger risk for them? dying from coronavirus or falling behind forever in life because they can't go to school? >> well we can catch kids up.

we can accelerate, we can help kids get back to the levels of education that we want for them, but if they die, we can't help them. so safety and security is by far the number one driver of when we will open our doors to interface learning. but in new york city, we have, we did a student survey and we have metrics to gauge who's logging on. who's turning in assignments. we have an engagement rate in new york city of about 85% so those other stupts that are not, weather got people following up and finding where they are. so again, we want to make sure that when we come back in person learning, it's a safe and secure environment for adults and children, everybody involved. at the same time, we're building our capacity to be able to teach in ways and individualize instruction in ways that here before, we've never been able to do and i give a lot of credit to our students and our teachers and principals but especially our parents who have been thrust into a role where they're doing

multiple things. now. so i think this is just a tremendous effort from the entire community and we want to continue to be able to support that. >> thank you very much. i appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you. >> and next, our special look at education continues. i'm going to speak to the president of purdue university. he's ready to return in the fall. but what does he say to some members of his faculty who say no? plus the treasury secretary pressed on the administration's push to send americans back to work. >> how many workers should give their lives to increase the gdp or dow jones by 1000 points? family at home or those at work, principal is by your side. we're working hard to answer your questions. like helping you understand what the recently passed economic package can mean for you. we're more than a financial company. we're a "together we can get through anything" company. now, more than ever.

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tonight, more colleges around the country planning to open o for the fall semester, but ending in person classes by thanksgiving, including at purdue. "outfront" now, mitch daniels, the president of due and former governor of indiana. so governor, thank you for your time tonight. so what made you decide this is the right thing to do. you'll open for the fall and i want to make sure just because we were talking with new york city school's chancellor was talking about online learning. you mean people coming in, in

class, in person until thanksgiving, right? >> we do. maybe not to the same extent in the same numbers, the same kind of classrooms, very, very different in many ways, but yes, we believe the on campus that our faculty can provide of real higher education and erin, so do our students. i want to mention that i want to specify we would not have made this decision in february or march. we've learned a lot since then and two important things we've learned is first of all, there's almost zero lethal threat to young people from this virus. they are at greater risk from car wrecks, accidents, cancer even it appears pneumonia, than this particular virus. the second thing we've learned is that our students overwhelmingly want to be here. our institution only exists for the bet of students.

not as an institution for the adults working in it. so our job to find way to help those students make progress just like the younger people you just talked to chancellor about and we think we can do that by concentrating relentlessly on the protection of the vulnerable. our faulk uhl faculty and staff. >> so when you say ending in person classes by thanksgiving, i believe right that's because of the expeck thags that as things get colder, you could see things surge again. is that set in stone or would you be able to change that? basically, what's the date at which you could say we don't need that thanksgiving closure. we're going to have a norm al year or has that point already passed? >> i think that point has passed. now i will say that just as things have changed dramatically in the last several week, they could change again. we don't know. we'll try to stay light on our feet for that reason. but let me just give you a

slightly different view. we changed our calendar and i e notice other schools now beginning to do the same. not so much because of what we expect the flu season to look like, but because we want to minimize coming and going. it's one of literally score of changes we'll make to make our campus particularly for those who are now provely vulnerable to this terrible disease. we want, we want the labor d day break and conventional fall break and have people leave then come back. it's more about that and the flu season. >> so, a local indiana paper was taking you know, you're talking about students wanting to come back. i know in so many institutes of higher learning, they only get one shot. they get four year, they're at a place where they're supposed to go. that's part of the experience they've chosen, they want to do it. faculty though maybe more mixed feelings. so this paper found that while

many want to go back, there's apprehension. they quoted one professor saying i don't want to think b about face-to-face teaching. the hoards of students i usually teach thereuntil there's aing vaccine. obviously that would put next year completely out of the picture. you know, what do you say to save some of your fakih uhl who feel that way? >> we have over 2,000 and we celebrate adversity of opinion on our campus so we have every stripe of opinion. that's a very tiny minority view and not from the most si scientifically credible corner of our s.t.e.m. based campus. no one is compelled to work or teach at purdue, but let's give that person the benefit of the doubt. on the day that statement was made may not have been that plain the her that everything we're about to do, changes in physical facilities. dedense fiing of campus. a third of our staff will now work permanently off site.

absolutely stipulating minimal distance between her and her classroom and the nearest student. much more teaching online. and many other changes. she'd probably be teaching from behind plexiglass screen to a room full of students wearing masks mandatorily. i think that human fear that one person expressed is one we sympathize with and we're doing everything we know how to to address. >> all right, well thank you very much. i appreciate it, governor. and "outfront" next, he helped guide this nation through the last recession so how does today's depression compare to 2008? the president of the federal reserve bank of boston is my guest. plus an clooexclusive new look

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tonight, steven mnuchin insisting people shouldn't have to put their lives at risk in order to grow the economy. >> pushing people back into the workplace. there's been no national program to provide worker safety. the president says reopen slaughter houses. nothing about slowing the line down. nothing about getting protective equipment. it's, it's how many workers should give their lives to increase the gdp or the dow jones by 1,000 point sns. >> no worker should give their lives to do that, mr. senator, and i think your characterization is infather. "outfront" now, eric rosengren, president of the federal reserve bank of boston. he's joining me on the phone. we had a bit of a technical difficulty and i know you tried hard to get through on video. but as it is, the fed chairman says the economy will recover. but says this could stretch through 2021, which is more optimistic than a lot of other people would say.

so where are you? i know we're going to, at least expectation is is there's going to be an economic improvement, but we are now at such a place that improvement is still going to leave us in a big hole, isn't it? >> that's right, erin. i expect the unemployment rate by the end of june to be around 20% and by the end of the year, i would expect it to still be in double digit. so while we're going to see growth, you have to think about the unemployment in two ways. one, there's the unemployment because of the shutdown. then there's the unemployment that occurs because businesses don't have enough demand and that businesses are shutting down so that combination so what we have right now. we're going businesses open up but we still need consumers to be confident enough that they're willing to go into retail shops, go to restaurants and go on the plane. but we need to do a lot more to be able to open businesses.

we need to those businesses a comfortable place for consumers to go. >> and how do we do that? you've said easing shutdown restrictions aren't a they aren't full reopenings, nor should they be scientifically. nor is there a panacea. but what gets people out enough so that people can spend money and, therefore, people can be employed, and you can start some sort of a cycle that begins a real recovery? >> for a complete recovery, we need the end of community spread. we need to get to a situation where somebody who is over 50 feels comfortable going into a store or a restaurant. that's going to require the infection rate to get lower than it currently is. so one option would be that we are able through public health means to get the infection rate down. the other options involve getting health improvements either through new drugs or

through a vaccine. >> and a vaccine obviously, you know, we guess would be at best a year away for everybody to get it. i'm probably very optimistic with that. you're currently the largest currency fed maker. you took off in july of 2007. i remember july of 2007. that was the month where the entire world changed for the financial crisis. how does this crisis compare to that one? >> this is a very different crisis in that it's a public health crisis. it's not a financial crisis. so fortunately, our banks came in with a lot more capital. but i would say just because it's a public health crisis doesn't mean that it's not a very severe problem. so having unemployment rates go as high as they have and having an unemployment rate that may be in double digits at the end of the year, double digits is the highest point we got during the height of the financial crisis. so we do need to be very concerned that what we hope is going to be temporary

unemployment actually becomes a more permanent problem. and one of the issues is that retail and restaurants are areas that hire an awful lot of employees, roughly 20% of the labor market is composed of those two industries. so until you're comfortable getting back to those kind of organizations, we can't have a full recovery. >> all right. thank you very much. sobering, but i know very realistic. thank you, from the federal reserve bank of boston. next, tara reade has accused joe biden of sexual assault. i have some important new wrinkles to a very muddy picture. it's best we stay apart for a bit, but you're not alone. we're automatically refunding our customers a portion of their personal auto premiums. learn more at libertymutual.com/covid-19. [ piano playing ] i am totally blind. and non-24 can make me show up too early... or too late. or make me feel like i'm not really "there."

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never, never happened. it's simple. what are the facts? do any of the things she said, do they add up? >> reporter: and since reade went public, varying accounts have emerged from reade herself and former colleagues and friends painting a complicated and is sometimes inconsistent picture of reade's experience of working for biden. >> my "end game" is that basically telling my story in a dignified way, not be torn apart. and it's being able to move on with my life and heal. >> reporter: tonight a new account from ben savage reads former colleague and senate office from 1993 about the circumstances surrounding reads e's departure from biden's office. he said the two words closely and he saw her at times overwhelmed by her job. while reade now says she was fired after complaining about alleged sexual harassment, savage says reade told him at the time she was being terminated for a medical issue.

reade's attorney taking issue with savage's claim that reade was fired for performance issues. wigdore said she did have health issues saying, yes, she was being sexually harassed and retaliated against and ultimately sexually assaulted. she did miss days of work because of all of this. and a model picture of why reade ultimately left washington, d.c., in a now deleted media post she left to pursue acting and writing. she was returning to the midwest so her then boyfriend could manage a congressman's campaign. telling cnn, she wrote a stupid blog post at a time she wasn't ready to talk about biden. in recent years reade has at times praised biden on social media and acquaintances. she has been conflicted about her feelings towards biden saying many things are true at once. >> i didn't want to talk badly about him and i wasn't ready to tell my history with joe biden at that point at all.

>> reporter: victims of sexual violence do not always tell consistent stories about their abusers and experiences. sometimes they have even praised the individual that they later accuse of assault as reade has of biden. a complicating factor in reade's life, a name change toal alexandra mccabe after she left what she said was an abusive marriage. some parts after her life are hazy. she received baertschi letter degree from antioch university in steet seattle under what she said was a protected program to protect her identity. she also said she was a visiting professor at the school. but karen hamilton, an antioch university spokesperson said she attended but did not graduate from antioch university. she was never a faculty member. she did provide several hours of administrative work. a school official also telling cnn that such a protected program does not exist and never has.

reade graduated from seattle university law school in 2004, gaining admission through its alternative admission program. reade's description of biden's alleged misconduct changed since she first came forward last year. initially she said biden made her feel uncomfortable, touching her arm and her hair. this year she said the story she didn't share is that she was also sexually assaulted by biden in a hallway in capitol hill in 1993. cnn spoke to ten former biden senate staffers who worked for him in the '90s. none of them were aware of any issues of sexual harassment or assault involving their former boss, but others close to reade have also corroborated parts of her story, including a former neighbor and reade's brother. according to 1996 court records, her ex-husband said reade related a problem she was having at work regarding sexual harassment and u.s. senator joe biden's office on multiple occasions. the document does not, however, state who perpetrated the

alleged harassment or mention sexual assault. now, erin, what makes reporting on the story so complicated is that we're talking about a period of time some 30 years ago and tara reade told cnn she vaguely remembered ben savage, the ex-colleague even though he told us their two desks were next to each other and the two of them worked closely together. erin? >> m.j., thank you very much. thanks to all of you for joining us. anderson starts now. >> and good evening. thanks for joining us. with close to 92,000 lives lost in this country, 36 million people out of work, the president signalled once again today that the coronavirus outbreak isn't really about either of those numbers nor those human beings they represent. instead, once again today, the president made it very clear to him it's about himself, number one. he underscored yet again that he seems to be treating this pandemic as just another b