cuomo. >> thank you, anderson. so the model projects less deaths between now and august, if and only if people wear masks. so trump, of course, refuses to wear one. that's all you need to know about this president. forget the rest of the noise about what he's taking or what he's doing. history will remember his as the story of inaction. inaction on masks, testing, tracing. and i hope now you know why. he sees it all as bad because he just wants to reopen, regardless of the risks, because he think it is would be better for him. he does not care what happens to the rest of us apparently. so tonight i have no interest in what he's saying or not doing. i want the best ideas on what you and i should do for our families. how to handle work situations, school, barbecues, trips, pools,

parks because change is coming ready or not. so let's do what the white house won't. let's figure out the best way to protect ourselves, together as ever as one. let's get after it. look, it's too easy a case to make. it's a quick reality check. despite america not having the largest population in the world, right, you know that, we do have more covid cases than anywhere else. this is bad period. except in the mind of one man, the guy who thinks magic pills and disappearing viruses are real. >> when we have a lot of cases, i don't look at that as a bad thing. i look at that in a certain respect as a good thing because it means our testing is much better. if we were testing a million people instead of 14 million people, we would have far fewer cases, right? so i view it as a badge of

honor. really it's a badge of honor. >> if it were badge of honor, he would have wanted to test sooner let's take his number. the president says we've done 14 million tests. the covid tracking project puts it at about 12 million. but let's give it to trump. assume 14. the math that matters here is how many tests you do ter c-- pr capita. it's not about the raw number of tests. so the real metric is that we've done about one test for every 28 -- no, we've done 28 tests for every 1,000 of us. 28 tests per 1,000 people, okay? so if that's the metric, an aggregat i don't kn oo

aggregation shows where we rank apples to apples. we started late after the virus started to spread in the community. trump did not make testing a priority. he was too busy calling covid a hoax, saying it would go away after about a dozen cases. and also, you tell me your thoughts, almost every country that has shown progress here, has made testing and tracing their organizing principle that drives reopening because, you know, facts, you know, for some magical thinking isn't enough. i will repeat the part you have to remember here. our president doesn't like testing or tracing or masks for basically one bad reason. they may make people less pumped

to reopen recklessly. there's one thing i want you to hear from him tonight and it says everything you need to know. >> when you test, you have a case. when you test, you find something is wrong with people. >> when you test, you find a case. you find out something is wrong with people. finding out who is sick and who is not is not wrong. it is information that helps us make decisions that are right. again, please remember this. this is your brain on trump. >> when you test, you have a case. when you test, you find something is wrong with people. >> that's all you need to know about how he thinks about this. more cases, wrong. wearing mask, no. taking pill that even state news admits may kill someone like

him, that's the right thing to do. dr. sanjay gupta is here. there is no cure for what's ailing that kind of thinking, so i'll keep you out of that and let's deal with some of the big components of where we are right now and how we have to understand it. first, the cdc just put out the rest of their guidelines. there have been a lot of drama about this, people in the cdc saying they were silenced. then they put out what i thought was a secondary flow chart system or not and it seemed like the for dummies version of how to handle this. now more detailed assessments of how to deal with restaurants and stuff reopening. it seemed to be slipped out there. there's no fanfare. what do you make of the release? >> yeah, that's exactly right. i mean, this should be a much bigger deal. had this is real life, as you were talking about in your opening, about how to navigate your life

for real decisions, am i going to get on a plane? am i going to summer vacation? are the kids going to summer camp? these are all the things the cdc is good at understanding. and the question of religious gatherings that was in the original 68-page documents, not in the flow sheets you recommended is also not in this 60-page document. for whatever reason, chris, that is still taken out of there. but you do have some real daet -- data. we're going to go through it and figure out what this means for some trying to navigate these decisions. i'm surprised this isn't getting more attention. a lot of it is going to look familiar because of the gating criteria, saying states should have 14-day down trend. you get the sense from this

document it's leaving it up to the discretion of governors as opposed to a national cohesive strategy. they don't want this to get a lot of attention clearly, chris. >> a study came out about secondary infection rates. it's kind of complicated. i read through a summary of it. i didn't really get it. what matters about this study? >> i think the thing that matters the most is that, first of all, leave aside whether or not people are actually reinfected for a second. people who tested positive again after they thought they had recovered from their infection, one of the things they really wanted to know was were they still contagious? could they still spread this? they looked at these people who, again, tested positive again, developed symptoms again and tested positive and they found none of their close contacts contracted the virus. so even if they are still having these viral particles causing their tests to come back positive, it does not mean they

are contagious. whether someone could retest positive is an open question. but if they could test positive and also spread it, that would be a huge problem in terms of trying to contain this. i'll go out on a limb and i think you agree with me on this, but the idea that once you're exposed to the virus, you do develop antibodies for some time. you know that because you donated antibodies. i think there's a period of time you're protected. that's the way it typically works. it would be hard to believe this is reacting completely differently. we don't know how long that protection is or how strong but we know that with sars, another coronavirus, people had antibodies for months and years after their infection. it would be a very positive thing if people get infected and have that protection for a period of time, that's how you get more broad-based immunity.

>> the clinicians said if they want to get tested and they're not having symptoms, tell them to get an antibody test. if you don't have any symptoms, you're better off knowing if you have the antibodies than if you have covid because if you do have covid, you have enough virus in the system to be contagious or just to get picked up on the test. it gets a little bit confusing. let me ask you something else. as of tuesday at least 17 states have reported a clear upward trend of average knew daily cases. it a ri it's a rise of at least 10% over the last seven days. how concerning is this in this context? we don't know this is about reopening because most of the states that we're seeing the increases in, they were increasing already before

reopening, right? >> that's right. that's right. they did not follow the gating criteria that we talked about earlier. i don't think any of the states have actually met that criteria in terms of both having a documented 14-day downward trend and the availability of robust testing to quickly identify people who are newly infected. chris, i think it's tough to know what to make of this data. there's a couple reasons why. i think we're following this day to day, which is understandable, but i think we're going to have to widen the aperture a little bit in terms of how we look at these numbers and look at them week to week and even over a month. you know, people know now that between the time someone might get exposed, the time they might develop symptoms, might get a test and get hospitalized or they die, how long that takes, there's a long period in between here. i don't think we really know what's going on. we've seen what happened in texas as they opened the last few days, the number jumped up.

it's tough to really read into this data on a day-to-day, even over a couple of week time period. i think we'll need to look over several weeks. even though states are reopening, chris, one of the things that comes out of this ihme model is how are people behaving still? a, are people going out as much, even if it's open? some people choose not to still. and if they do go out, just simply wearing masks, according to chris murray, makes a huge difference. they expect the numbers to be higher despite states opening. why? because people were wearing masks more than they expected and they wewere having more of impact than they realized. so when you go out, wear your mask. a lot of people are doing it but it does seem to make a

difference. >> why am i laughing? a lot of people are doing it and that's what they base their projections on and the president won't wear a mask. how do we expect people in this country to take it seriously when they have to basically believe their president is an idiot? >> this worries me. i'm not trying to hammer this point. obviously the president is worried about the exposure he had in the white house. that's why he started taking this medication. >> and he has people tested all the time and he's doing deep tracing on the people who get it. all the things he doesn't want to do on a national level. so he's worried. >> correct. he's worried about himself, which is why he is taking this medication now, a medication that has no proven benefit in terms of preventing the infection. yet he's worried enough about it from his exposure that he's taking the medicine. but if he has the virus in his body, he can then be spreading

it. that's why you wear the mask, to decrease the spread. he's worried enough to take a medication that is potentially harmful, has no prove wren bene not nwear the mask to decrease the spread. >> not everybody is like you. you will do things for other people no matter the level of personal sacrifice. there are other people in the country, like the president, who focuses on what is good for him. hydroxychloroquine is good for him because it fuels the narrative nobody else knows what they're talking about. wearing a mask is about everybody else. not his focus. but it is yours, dr. sanjay gupta, and that is why some will call you a national treasure. >> that leaves a lot, my friend. >> are you kidding me? i wouldn't be here without you.

if you hadn't kept my head steady, i'd still be in the basement. >> honor to do it, my brother. >> i love you and thank you. this is the reality, put your arms around it, ready or not, we're going to reopen. but this is not going to be a summer like ones we used to know. or at least, let's put it this way now, you shouldn't have a summer like the ones we used to know. we have to be smarter, even in our leadership, be as safe as we possibly can. how? i get it, cuomo, we need to be safe. how do we do thinese things? that's why i brought in a better mind. what are the options we'll have this summer and what are the things that won't be an option next.

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all right. memorial day is literally right at the end of the week, okay? so what do we do? we'll start with the things that we want to do, okay. the infectious diseases society of america warned today there is no real playbook for how to handle the options we're going to have. so we had to ask somebody to help us think it through from a clinical perspective. that is a doctor part of the group i just mentioned, the chief health officer at the university of michigan. in terms of figuring out why we have to figure this out for ourselves, we don't have to look any further than the cdc just slipping out the embassy texten package of procedures and guidelines without any fanfare for the government. this is clearly not their priority. >> yeah, summer is a special time. i think a lot of us are looking

forward to it, particularly when you live in a northern climate. summer is going to be a little bit different this year. we're hoping it's a chance to set us up for success for a fall reopening. >> we'll pull it up on the korean for people. concerts and festivals. is it a maybe or no way? >> concerts and festivals where people are going to physically be present is a no way. unless you can do it in a way where you have really good social distancing and very little density, i would not count on concerts and festivals. >> so preeti is not going to take on burning man this summer.

is that what you're saying? >> that's right. >> so amusement and theme parks. >> they're also complicated and they're a place where people travel from a long ways. you can have international travelers, which can create travelers in this case. and also just the crowds, the lines and everything. so my sense is amusement parks are going to have a little bit of difficulty opening. but case by case there may be situations -- i read where a safari park at a zoo just had families drive through with their own cars. as a whole i wouldn't expect to see the traditional large amusement parks open on the scale they usually open. >> they all fall in the same basket, anywhere where you have massive humanity, you think it going to be in the same bucket. are any going to be better than

others? >> not really. unless you can limit the number of people or have social distancing involved, or do it virtually. sports has been interesting because there's been talk about having no spectators or having players play within controlled leagues but i haven't seen that move forward and it's complicated to make it move forward. >> that's the big ticket entertainment. let's look at the micro entertainment. you get invited to a barbecue. what do you ask yourself? >> who is coming, how many people? picnics are part of summertime but they'll probably be limited more to your own household, a controlled group of people that you are part of, a community. i think people are going to entertain at home a little more than being out and about, but within small groups, especially if you can make sure everyone is staying healthy and everyone is taking care to not come sick and within reason they're masking. obviously they can't eat and

mask but practicing those basic things would go a long way. >> and there is no magic number where six or less you're good or 16 or less you're good. so it's going to have to be common sense. in terms of how you party, the idea of, hey, stay away from a punch bowl because you don't want to have somebody who has had a couple too many and they're sticking their hand in there with their cup, individual drinks, throw-away plates and utensils so you don't have to worry about risks of washing. are those practical concerns? >> absolutely. those are simple things we can all do. it's maybe not great for the environment. just making sure we're not sharing too many things, that it's maybe a little bit less pot luck. if there are a couple families together, everybody bring their own food. maybe you just share your company instead of your food. >> how about masks at social events? >> masks at social events are

something i would recommend. it's going to be part of something we're going to see and we're probably going to see it in the fall as schools and universities think about coming back. outdoors the risk is a little bit less, particularly if you're on your own or maybe with one other person. but in any kind of enclosed space, i feel like wearing the mask is a respectful thing. it's saying i care about people around me and it's something i would recommend. it's doesn't, however, excuse you if you are ill to come into that situation. that's got to be something that we need to train ourselves to do. >> kids, you can encourage them to be outside. we do that any because let's be honest, they probably aren't watching the show right now. i know mine aren't. we want them outside anyway, if we can get them there. and to encourage games where it's not like pile on top of one another, it's more like not tag, figure out games for kids where they can keep a little distance. except what do you do when they're throwing something at

one another? >> i'm okay with this many throwing something to one another, but they do need to practice good hand hygiene. training them not to touch their face, not to touch their eyes, their nose. but they're kids. you can decrease risk, you can't completely eliminate it. frankly, there's a risk to being outside. >> one thing that's changed to our thinking, masks that's changed, leave them alone, now we're much more pro mask. things involved. surfaces. i have stains all over my house from using harsh cleaners on every surface that we have because we thought that's the wave we get way we get it. now we're not worried about surfaces. we're worried about being in closer contact for long durations. >> i would agree with that.

chris, i'm glad you're feeling better. i'm glad you're feeling better. the role of surfaces does play a role. but i think it's been overemphasized from the usually respiratory route. that's the most important this evening, making sure we're not breathing on each other, coughing on each other, too many secretions. the emphasis on cleaning is important but it's not the only thing. >> how about this one -- pools. you know from caddie shack, we have a pool and a pond. is pool okay because chlorine is in the pool and chlorine will kill the virus? what if it's a salt pool? how much chlorine? what are the rules? >> yeah. so pools and for that matter beaches and swimming tends to be low risk. the problem is it's everything else that's happening outside the pool. in the case of large public pools, it's the crowding, it's the sitting on the deck. it's the people lining up and in

my city in ann arbor today we got a notice saying the city pools weren't going to open this summer. i think we're going to see more of that. whether private pools in smaller clubs are going to open, whether they can pull it off, it's not the swimming that's the problem, it's everything outside of the pool. >> and chlorine you think kills the virus. do we know? >> i do believe it does. everything i've read suggests it does. >> one of my just friends, john mcaniff, i like to drawn him in the pool just as a show of dominance. i should give him a pass this summ summer. >> i think he deserves a pass. >> he certainly does not deserve one but i'll give him one. we watched beaches open this weekend. i was shocked, i never thought people would run into the beach

and on saturday when it was nicer, we saw exactly what people were doing on the beach. what's the best way if you're hanging out at a beach or the side of the river, what's the best thing for the family? >> that's going to vary depending where you live. i see some of the beaches have closed off their parking lot. they've done their best to socially distance. they've even drawn circles in the sand. this is going to come down to everyone trying to be smart and trying to be responsible so that we don't hurt other people. >> preeti, what about family trips? is the emphasis this year if you're going to get away, really get away? go up in a place where you can be camp or hiking on your own? what's the guidance? >> the guidance is going to vary from place to place. a lot of states still have restrictions. in my state, michigan, there's still restrictions on travel in most of the state. my accepts sense is people are

be traveling closer to home. that being said, there is some essential travel. there are older family members a were from home. you can decrease risk, you can't eliminate it. my sense is people are going to be taking shorter road trips, staying in smaller places with their household unit and maybe a small number of people and they're going to limit how much they're out and about. >> it's going to be a very interesting time because the options are going to be there, doc. the idea that people won't do it when it's happening in their circles and communities, i think it's a little bit too much social pressure. people have really had it. we're seeing an acceleration of frustration. dr. mal l omalani, thank you so. as the options come up in society, you'll come back and let's go through the different permeations of thought on each new option. thank you and the best for your

family. thank you for the kind work. >> thank you. >> now other things, not when you're having a good time, but about college. different schools are telling us different things. there is new modelling that could help us plan for university life in the fall. how do we educate students safely during a pandemic? we have another top doctor. we're going to have to go back to work. what do we keep in mind for that? the things we must do, how do we do those? next. in a safe place and your child safer. to close, twist until it clicks. tide pods child-guard packaging.

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cornell university. it has some models that are a little scary but can show us what can and cannot work. let's bring in dr. william shaftner. good to have you here, doc. >> good to be with you. >> six out of ten people are going to reach each other in two steps. you get a multiplier of kids that are going to find more and more ways to be in contact, just through course load, let alone socializing so what do we do in terms of sending our kids back to school -- college. >> that's a big question. every school is wrestling with that. my own school has a number of task forces looking at these issues and what that study told us in a very formal way is something we already knew. a college is a semi-enclosed

community with a lot of close interaction, all the way from dormitory living, if it's a residential school, to all of those classes and all of that extra curricular work. and they're all together, they mix rather freely and there's a great deal of closeness, which of course is the sort of environment that our friend, the coronavirus, really enjoys for spread. so there's a lot of concern about what will be the new normal on campus, if the campus decides to open. >> one of the shortcuts was seen as being, well, we'll keep it divided by major. anybody who has been to college, electives, you take courses outside your major. what are you going to say? you can't do this anymore? cornell used a class where they do wine tasting and stuff that everybody wants to be a part of for obvious reasons. even though it's not your major, you're mixing with all these other kids, 500 in the class,

whenever it is. what does it tell us about how to do university life safely? does it tell us you can't? >> remember, we can't do it safely. we can mitigate risk and reduce the risk as low as we can. we look at everything. some of the things we're thinking of is asking students before they arrive on campus to actually be on the honor system, to shelter at home, not to go to any large parties. so when they come to us, maybe we'll test them all. and what sort of testing scheme will we have? what do we do in the dormitories, for example? could we have no singles? oh, but then what do we do with the kids who used to double up? where do we put them? we looked at bathrooms. could we disable some of the sinks and shower stalls, for examples to promote social distancing? then we decided, oops, the

number of sinks and shower stalls are cramped already, we can't reduce them theater. could large lecture halls have the students spread out and some take the courses virtually rather than in person? it goes on and on. extra curricular activities. the newspaper, the chess club. did i mention athletics? intramural as well as intercollegiate. in some sports, close contact is part of the sport. we're not all, as i was, a cross country runner. that's a little bit easier. but the challenges are endless and everybody's working on how to mitigate the risk. are we all going to go around wearing masks? it may be encouraged. should it be obligatory. you name it, there's a challenge. >> better not make it obligatory

or the president won't be able to visit any college campuses. >> the guess the answer is how you're phrasing the question, how do we mitigate risk. i guess we believe this is going to happen. do we believe that going to college, going to school is too impa impa impractical to do remotely? >> well, at the present time we've already seen some announcements from some schools at the extremities. yes, we're opening up and we're going to be as close to normal as possible. nope, we're not opening up for the first semester, we're going to see how things go. i anticipate because our society is opening up that by the fall there will be a general opening up. and every school will be coping with how to do that in a coherent fashion. i can tell you there will be a lot of student faculty and staff education about social

distancing and the norms that are expected. they may not always be enforced. there are always some rascals who avoid them, but i think we can get a great deal of compliance. >> now, we're only talking about the students. you have thousands and thousands of teaching staff and people who run the institution itself. what about for them? because that's going to be an extension of the new workplace, right? certain people are going to have to show up at physical plants, have to show up at offices. not everybody can work remotely. what does that mean? >> that's exactly right. we're thinking about that very carefully. on top of that, to make it a little more nuanced, there will be senior people and students, who have chronic illnesses. diabetes, for example. can we make modifications to

further reduce their risk. everything is still up for discussion, but time is moving on and pretty soon all of us in all of these schools are going to have to decide that. and mind you, what we say has implications for all the communities in which these schools occur because there's a whole array of economic activity in those communities that depends on these colleges and universities. that's also a consideration, to be quite frank. >> one of the options i was talking about with izzy earlier this afternoon is an earlier schedule where they go back during the summer so they're not as exposed to flu season and stuff and maybe around thanksgiving they come home and stay until after january. a lot of these things are not going to be well met but we're going to have to pick our priorities and figure out, as you say, how to best mitigate risk. thank you for the value added.

>> my pleasure. >> so we're heading into memorial day. as we all know, that is the time that we think about the sacrifice of those who gave their lives in times of war and strife to this country. did you have know we should be acutely grieving the loss of moe are than 1,000 people in the v.a. health system because of coronavirus. did you know how large that number is? we don't really know the real number. there may be hundreds more veterans who died, who couldn't get into the facilities, who were in state-run facilities, who weren't counted in either place. what the hell are we doing to the people who are supposed to matter the most? when is the last time you heard from the v.a. secretary, by the way? we have an advocate, p.j. rieckhoff, friend of mile-per-hour and of sh mine an of show. he'll tell you what's really

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i don't have to tell you what memorial day or decoration day is about. we honor our fallen, the people who put sacrifice first in their lives, in our armed forces for the betterment of the rest of us. but the v.a. now reports over a thousand people having died of coronavirus among those who have gotten some type of care from it's facilities. but here's the problem -- we are letting down the people who are supposed to matter most once again. okay? why? because they are a, by percentage, older group than you might expect. many are vulnerable, especially to something like coronavirus. many of them when they get older are in homes where there's density and they are really vulnerable, okay? the estimates are that they don't have any eidea, that's th

presumption, of how many dead there are. 25 states aren't even counting the dead among the veterans because they think somebody else is go to do that. i asked p.j. rieckhoff to come on. he's a veteran advocate, a veteran of the iraq war, founder of the i.a.v.a. and host of the angry veteran podcast. thank you for reminding me what's going on with the veterans. you send me notes all the time, "where's wilke, where's wilke, why isn't he out looking out for the veterans?" and you're right. >> going into memorial day, i think we have to stop and take a moment to realize we're losing

veterans every single day in combat with the virus. the v.a. has reported a thousand are dead but that's only the veterans dying inside v.a. hospitals. veterans dying at homes, in civilian hospitals, dying in the streets, they aren't counted. in the holyoke veterans facility in massachusetts, 88 veterans have died. how did we let 88 die in one facility? it's new jersey, it's stony brook, new york, alabama. these state-run veterans hospitals across the country are getting decimated, chris. >> what's the chance they're getting a good answer? it like that everywhere, p.j., they're getting as much of everything or more as everything else, it's just a tough problem. is that a legit answer? >> no. absolutely not. it's no the what america says.

it's not what america stands for. if rerealwe really care about t folks who put their lives and the president hasn't focused on this. he says he supports our veterans, he says he loves our veterans, but where is he? he's been invisible. this cuts to the core of who we are, chris. you mentioned it, half the vets at va are over 65. many of them have pre-existing conditions. many of them has respiratory issues. vietnam veterans have been exposed to agent orange. they're high risk. they can also be the cavalry. they can help here and step into the fray, but we got to have their back, especially going into memorial day. >> secretary wilkie was pressed to talk about the holyoke situation. here's what he said. >> the law prohibits us from taking direct control over those nursing homes. we take complaints when we hear complaints. we cannot impose our will on those state venues.

>> it's not on him. >> yeah, it's on him. he is supposed to be the veterans advocate for the entire country, not just the ones that he thinks he's responsible for and the president should be responsible, too. he's the commander in chief. when we're in the military we say leave no man behind, leave no woman behind. we don't say, well, there is bureaucrat stuff in the middle and that's why i can't save my buddy. he should be moving every mountain he can, deploying every resource he can and getting on the ground there himself to find out what's going on and get ahead of the curve, find out where the next outbreak is going to be, the next honestlies that are going to be hit. it's an abdication of duty. it's unacceptable and he should be ashamed of an answer like that. >> the c.a.r.e.s. act included $17.2 billion for the veterans administration. the va touted its spending money towards homelessness, telehealth, state veterans homes. what have you been hearing about the reality of how the c.a.r.e.s. act is delivering for our veterans? >> well, they need it. i mean, they need every bit of

reinforcement they can get right now. in the latest emergencies supplemental, va got about $20 billion. it's important to note, chris, secretary wilkie said he didn't need it. said he didn't need additional funding. testified before congress. no problem hiring and staffing when they had tens of thousands of openings. nurses were protesting in new jersey and atlanta saying they didn't have enough ppe. he said he had enough ppe. last week he took a donation of 500,000 masks from south korea. if he has enough masks, he has enough ppe, why are we taking donations from south korea? i think there is a real disconnect between the reality on the ground and what the secretary is pushing. he seems to be standing with the politics of the president instead of the reality of our veterans. >> pj rieckhoff, listen, it's so important to keep our focus on it. it shocks me every time. it breaks my heart how easily we forget about the people we love to say matters the most to us. you are one of those people, pj, and i tell you what, you make me proud to be a citizen in this

country because you take your responsibility so importantly. one thing, do you know what kind of car that is you're standing in front of or just want to be cool? >> first off, love you back. appreciate your leadership. of course i know what kind of car. it's a '66 camaro ss. i think americans had enough potted plants and bookcases. now you can have an american-made camaro in my garage. >> i didn't think you could be more macho than you were already. >> when the pandemic's over, man, me and you can get in it and ride through times square together and give him a high-five. >> we'll have our masks on. we'll need them to avoid the 5-0, the po-po. he's always fighting for the brothers and sisters that put their lives on the line for this country and we have to pay more attention to them. there is just no excuse for us to treat them the worst when they've given us the most. all right. coming up, ameri-can, small remote grocery store. how do they keep themselves from

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all right. we have ameri-cans and there is something ameri-can't we have to discuss. john lynch lost his father last month from natural causes. he had to say good-bye over facetime like so many families have to do now. it's one of the other parts of the tragedy. but the loss inspired him to give. he launched operation connection. the ipad project. he's gotten dozens of tablets donated for hospitals and nursing homes across three states so loved ones, at least, can be digitally face-to-face, be online and say good-bye to the people they love the most. a beautiful gesture of somebody who knows the pain of not being able to say good-bye. another ameri-can, toshua

parker. he owns a small grocery store in a remote park of alaska only reachable by boat or plane, okay? his store is the only one in town. deliveries were cut off. what are they going to do? parker and his staff started making 14-hour boat trips to juneau. 50 miles away. to get supplies from costco. now, that is customer service. he is an ameri-can, all right? now, the ameri-cans bring us together. we need it more than ever. that's why i have to make an ameri-can't out of the situation, all right? i'm not even going to ascribe blame in this. the tradition of first-term presidents inviting their predecessors to the white house to unveil their official portrait, all right, it's always happened, even when they don't like each other, even when the parties are at odds. we need that right now. it should be happening right now. trump doesn't want to do it. obama saying, hey, thanks but no thanks, i'm fine with you not doing it. an administration official says there have been talks between

the white house and obama's team for a ceremony. we know how hard they are to believe. nothing's been set. obama's camp reportedly said the former president isn't interested so long as trump is in office. here's what i'm saying. yes, trump is the sitting president, he's supposed to be the bigger person, he's supposed to make it happen. i'm just saying right now this is the last type of thing we need to see. all right? but don't take it from me. i thank you for watching and i deliver you to one of my many betters, d. lemon, starting right now. >> come on. >> what do you think? >> i wouldn't want to go to that white house if i was obama. come on. let's be real. his -- obama never treated his predecessor the way this -- this president is treating obama. accusing him of crimes and all kinds of names. yes, there's decorum and all of that, but this is -- this is unprecedented. this president is -- the way he treats people, the way he goes after people, the names he calls, why would you w