now, another thing concerning economists are a couple of things. a big second wave, which would create another lockdown and crater consumer confidence and state budgets. the state of michigan on track to record a $6.2 billion shortfall in just the next 18 months. that will be a drag on the economy as well. erin? >> worse than any of us realized. thank you so much, miguel. thanks to all of you for watching. anderson takes it now. >> and good evening, a lot to get to tonight. hopeful news with vaccines and appropriate caution with it. everything on the president's mind it seems except the pandemic. even when he was talking about the pandemic, the one today recorded the single most cases in the 24-hour period around the world according to were. h.o. i which has taken more than 93,000 lives in this country alone, some of what the

president said was threatening state governors if they don't arrange voting in a state in a way he thinks will help his reelection. we'll talk about that tonight. chiefly because it's a strange thing to be obsessing over in the middle of a pandemic as sidelining or marginalizing the nation's top health experts. at the moment all 50 states are lifting outbreak related restrictions in one form or another. today the president's press secretary gave a briefing. dr. anthony fauci did not. dr. deborah birx did not. the cdc director dr. robert redfield, they did not either or he did not either. according to senior administration official, informal conversations have been taking place about, quote, what to do about dr. redfield. another source telling cnn he's worried he might have a target on his back and senior officials tell us the director's fear is not unfounded. late today the president denied it. >> do you think robert redfield is doing a good job? >> yeah, i do, i do. it's fake news, caitlan, fake news, therefore you can report

it on cnn. it's perfect for cnn. >> the president has, of course, said similar things about people he then goes on to fire, but regardless whether d dr. redfield's job is safe or not, neither he nor his public health experts are front and center at such a significant moment. the last coronavirus task force briefing was on the 27th of april. that's 23 days ago. remember those briefings before the president hijacked them? they actually had a lot of good scientific value, scientific information given by dr. fauci and dr. redfield and dr. birx. so now the governors, mayors, although dr. redfield didn't show at much of those briefings, he wasn't welcome, it seems, to present as much back then. mayors, superintendents, business owners and public at large hear from the person who is taking the drug his own fda warns against taking. the man who suggested doing experiments injecting fellow citizens with disinfectant. now, if it counts for anything,

the cdc's long awaited reopening guidelines, they have come out with very little fanfare. they were posted at the very latest last night, but nobody even knew to look for them until the cdc sent an email about it this morning. and, of course, this is after all 50 states have reopened in one form or another. just to be clear, a good number of these states do not meet the cdc's guidelines of two weeks of declining cases for reopening at all. those were the white house guidelines as well. according to data from johns hopkins university, 18 states are trending upward. 15 states cases are steady. 17 are trending down. new polling suggests the public is concerned regardless of the president's enthusiasm for lifting virus-related restrictions and his repeated claim this is what the country wants to do. take a look. new polling from quinnipiac. 75% of people and 50% of republicans saying they would prefer a slow reopening, even if it means a worsening economy or the opposite. new polling from the associated press is even more specific. it shows 83% of americans either

somewhat or very concerned that lifting restrictions in their area will lead to new infections and 53% say they are very or extremely concerned the step will cause a spike in cases. this all appears to be well underway guidelines or not. the question is will people stick to the guidelines and what they themselves can do to keep others safe? such as this from the cdc's own tips for social distancing. i'm quoting now. cover your mouth and nose with a cloth face covering when around others including when you have to go out in public, for example to the grocery store. they continue. keep at least 6 feet between yourselves -- yourself and others even when you wear a face covering. the president, as you know, says he doesn't see himself wearing a mask in the white house even though his staff is now required to. as for the vice president today, he was batting about 500. he woulderre a mask at an event florida, he was delivering masks. at a restaurant later neither he nor the governor were covered. as for social distancing, not so much there. doctors fauci, birx and redfield

do wear masks in public the last time we got a glimpse of them. states are reopening. cnn's nick watt has the latest. he joins us from los angeles. what are you learning about some of the changes that are in store? >> reporter: well, anderson, here in los angeles today, the big change was car washes were allowed to reopen. we've been here all day watching these guys wraearing masks, tryg to social distancing. they're washing, disinfecting people's cars. the governor of california says los angeles, 10 million people, probably a few weeks behind some of the other counties in this state that are moving a little faster, like orange county, which interestingly about a couple weeks ago, we saw big protest down there against lockdown. and today orange county reported its most deaths, its most new cases since all of this began. but that is really going to be the reality across the country. we're going to be playing a game of cat and mouse, a game of stop

and go with this virus for sometime to come. retail reopens in miami beach today, but not the beaches or the hundreds of bars and restaurants. not yet. >> this is to see how we do. we're a crowd-based city so we want to make sure we don't draw too large a crowd. >> reporter: in new york city they're now installing ultraviolet lamps on buses and trains that flash and kill the virus during overnight cleaning to keep cramped commuters safe. and starting tomorrow in certain parts of the state, religious gatherings allowed, but ten people max. >> former altar boy, i get it. >> reporter: and there is a renewed public education push. >> you drive through some of these communities and you can see that social distancing isn't happening. p.p.e. is not being used. and, hence, the virus spreads. >> reporter: as of this morning when connecticut got rolling,

all 50 states have now started reopening, yet in at least 18, including kentucky, new case counts are going up. >> but the way we're reopening gives us the type of gradual and safe reopening where we can do it while watching the data at the same time. >> reporter: boston now targeting june 1 to start, but taking more time than the rest in massachusetts before opening up, say, office space. >> for example, making sure that when people go into buildings, they get temperature checked, they get asked some questions, basic questions. making sure there is proper protocol in place, tracing. >> reporter: july 4, six weeks away, is the goal to have most businesses open for the 10 million who live here in los angeles county. maybe even movie production. >> the longer production remains shutdown, the longer the industry in jeopardy is being cut. >> reporter: the number of covid cases in florida and georgia,

two states among the first to reopen. in flr, an official was removed from the team that publishes the number of cases and deaths online. and in georgia's online report, an error and the confusing graph brought criticism. the governor claims the data was accurate, but arranged differently than people expected. >> nick, there is some good news out of california where you are. >> reporter: yeah, there is. the state of california had rented a couple of entire hospital buildings, and they've just announced that next mother going to close those down. they say that they flattened the curve and dealt with the initial smaller surge in hospitalizations. but they are going to keep a couple of other facilities, they say, on what they're calling warm shutdown status just in case, anderson, the virus comes back and comes back hard. back to you. >> nick watt, appreciate it.

thank you. joining us now cnn chief medical correspondent sanjay gupta. and kathleen sebelius. the cdc director robert redfield may be on thin ice. the president says not the case. is this really the right moment for tensions between the white house and the director of the cdc? seemed like there were some tensions between him and dr. birx as well. >> it's a terrible time for tension with the cdc, who are the gold standard epidemiologists, not just in this country, but around the world. every country wants to have a cdc-like entity. they're the folks who track and trace, who tell us about the disease, who can help state and local officials monitor what's going on, and who, luckily, the guidance has been freed. i was pleased that the guidance that is detailed and industry by industry, area by area, it's

finally been released. not really publicized, but it's out there. and so local officials can get their hands on it and try and figure out what the national plan is. the problem is, anderson, as you've alluded to, and sanjay knows as well, without support from -- the president ideally would have touted the fact that cdc guidance is available. would be urging all governors in the country to follow the guidance, would be suggesting that we use this as a measurement for our employers and schools and others to be safe and secure. and just the opposite is happening. the guidance is put out kind of in the dead of night. we're not sure, we need to hear from the cdc director. we're told he's on thin ice. it's very, very confusing. i joined with 19 other health officials today in putting together a piece on open safely, which actually suggests we follow the guidance.

we follow what dr. birx has suggested. we follow what the white house has put out. but i'm really worried about the fact that we're getting a very different message out of this administration than we should be getting. >> yeah, i mean, sanjay, the guidance that the white house, you know, several weeks ago put out about how to reopen the three stages, i mean, that just seems to be kind of tossed out the window for all -- i know we asked dr. birx about that the last time we were able to talk to her which was a couple weeks ago at a town hall. she seemed to be indicating that, no, no, no, that's still the gold standard. it's not being listened to, not even by the white house or by the vice president who is eating in a restaurant with the florida governor. >> right. i mean, you know, so if you look at, first of all, the gating kri criteria for states to reopen, it's clear, 14 day downward trending, testing in place, find people as secretary sebelius was

saying, isolate them quickly. you'll have more people getting infected as it opens up. it is important that it doesn't go into exponential growth. having those things in place helps with that. but you're right. i mean, the basic standards of wearing a mask because you may have the virus, behaving like you have the virus so you don't spread it to other people, it's still shocking to see those images because people are not practicing physical distancing. they're not wearing a mask. i realize that there are people who get tested on a regular basis, but they could still be harboring the virus because, you know, you may be negative one day, you can be positive the next day. the tests do have a false negative rate. there are all these things people know about. you do your best to be safe. that's the guidance. we're still in the middle of it. do everything you can. do not get people around you sick. it's basic, basic guidance. and yet, you know, we're not seeing it sort of demonstrated by people who should be doing that, which is really frustrating because i think a lot of public health officials see those scenes.

you can't see the virus, but they see the virus in their mind. they see it moving around. they see a contagious virus potentially jumping from one person to the next. that's what we want to avoid. the guidance is out there now. people should pay attention to it. >> and, anderson, sanjay -- >> go ahead. >> i was going to say one of the -- if you read any of the documents about how to deal with difficult health situation with the pandemic, communication is one of the factors. it's not just testing. it's not just tracing. it's not isolation, social distancing. communication, a clear concise, direct, consistent communication. we don't have any of that. so, yes, we have guidance. we have leaders who are defying the guidance in their personal modelling and we have very different messages coming from state and local leaders. that leaves the public really kind of on their own to figure this out.

>> secretary sebelius, i appreciate your time. sanjay is going to stick around. we'll have more with him. coming up next, some positive news on several potential coronavirus vaccines. also why caution is called for. later, a preview of a national live sporting event. charles barkley will join me to discuss the importance of the celebrity golfing event and coronavirus relief effort. ♪ ♪

if you have a garden you know, weeds are low down little scoundrels. with roundup sure shot wand you don't need to stoop to their level. draw the line. the sure shot wand extends with a protective shield to pinpoint those pesky bedfellows. it lets you kill what's bad right down to the root, while comfortably guarding the good. draw the line with the roundup sure shot wand. roundup brand. trusted for over 40 years.

right now, there are over a million walmart associates doing their best to keep our nation going. because despite everything that's changed, one thing hasn't and that's our devotion to you and our communities. our priority will always be to keep you and our associates safe, while making sure you can still get the essentials you need. ♪

woi felt completely helpless.hed online. my entire career and business were in jeopardy. i called reputation defender. vo: take control of your online reputation. get your free reputation report card at reputationdefender.com. find out your online reputation today and let the experts help you repair it. woman: they were able to restore my good name. vo: visit reputationdefender.com or call 1-877-866-8555.

just a couple days after promising news and a vaccine being developed by a company called moderna raised hopes not to mention the price of shares on wall street, there are two more announcements. one from anovia and the other from johnson & johnson. cnn medical correspondent joins us with the quick run down. what are we learning about the early results in these vaccine trials? >> reporter: anderson, i'm gladiators yglad you used the word early. this is a marathon not a sprint. there are lots of little steps along the way in these clinical trials that we usually don't pay attention to. but because this is a pandemic, we are. so let's talk about what johnson & johnson found. this was, i'm told by outside experts, a very well-done study. they took 25 reese is macacks. they found they developed

antibodies from the vaccination, and when they were challenged, they had very low viral loads compared to monkeys who had not been vaccinated. for eight of them they couldn't find any virus at all. so that is definitely a step in the right direction. that's what you want to see before you move on to human studies. anovio did something similar, but with guinea pigs and mice, they found guinea pigs and mice when they were vaccinated developed these all-important neutralizing antibodies. they glom onto the virus and prevent it from infecting human cells. anderson? >> what are the difference in testing guinea pigs and mice versus monkeys? >> reporter: it's interesting. we've been trained to think monkeys are the way to go because they're most like us. what experts have told me, they have done vaccine trials themselves, they say it depends on the virus. there is no need to have monkeys. you can use them sometimes. sometimes you're actually better off with a mouse or hamster. they're looking for the animal that best mimics what happens to

an adult. i'm told for covid monkeys are fine, but other animals are fine, too. >> we should also just point out just because something may show results in an animal doesn't necessarily mean it shows results in a human. can you layout how many vaccine trials are actually being done right now? >> reporter: right. so let's look at all of them. that will show you that most of these will not work. so right now according to the world health organization, there are eight vaccine developers in human clinical trials, actually doing work in humans. anovio, the one we mentioned is one of them. that's eight. four in china, three in the u.s., one in england. and 110 are sort of on their way or they hope they're on their way to doing human clinical trials. we are not going to have 118 vaccines. vaccines are notoriously difficult. many, many start, few finish. these are very difficult clinical trials to run. most of these will fail. and i should say and i certainly hope this isn't true, it is possible all of these will fail. we don't have a vaccine against

hiv despite several decades of trying. it is possible we might not have a vaccine against covid either. >> elizabeth cohen, thank you again. just want to point out animals are one thing, people, pry mates are another. michael osterholm, director of minnesota's center for infectious disease research and policy. and sanjay gupta as well. sanjay, the trials that start on animals, as i said, they don't always translate into human. so this news, again, should be taken with caution. >> right, absolutely. i mean, you know, were we not in the middle of a pandemic, i don't think we would be talking about this at all. i mean, you know, i think it's one of these situations where i think people are looking for anything to hang onto, any glimmers of hope. i guess i understand that at some point. but we've got to give a lot of caution like elizabeth was giving there because a lot of them won't translate into humans out of these 108 or whatever number of vaccine trials.

most of them won't even progress on to the later phases. so we're hoping that they do. i will say that, you know, the moderna, i wonder if dr. olester home agrees with us. even though the vaccine trial is early. they showed eight patients whoechl evidence of antibodies. it's a very interesting vaccine platform. we've not had a vaccine like this before. so it's a whole new way of thinking about things. there's a lot of innovation hoopg happening in medicine right now. we hope it works. innovation is fascinating and worth highlighting, anderson. >> yeah, michael, health and  human services secretary alex azar was on a call with the president and governors today and said a few 100 million doses by the earned of the year is a, ayatollah, critical goal, but not a guarantee. what do you make of that? >> you have two issues. sanjay and elizabeth said it well. we're in the early days of a vaccine world.

church hill downs cleared the gates and people want us to declare a winner. we have a long way to get to a finished vaccine. we can make vaccines based on the products in research, but there is no guarantee that will be the product that might make it if any do at all. so i think the caution you're hearing here tonight on this show is optimistic caution. we all want a vaccine. we hope we have a vaccine. but the only fair way to report this is, in fact, there's still a lot of hurdles to go before we can have a successful vaccine. >> sanjay, they are still very early, as dr. olester holm was saying. they're in the early trials. >> the messenger rna vaccine from moderna which basically is a blueprint of part of the virus, you give that to somebody and the body starts making the blueprint over and over again and generates antibodies to that. i hope that makes sense to people. it is really fascinating.

but they moved along pretty quickly so they're in phase two trials essentially now. so get into phase two trials 0 can often take years, not months. they're moving along fairly quickly. but, yes, there's still a long way to go. there's no guarantee it will work in larger percentages -- larger percentages of the population. people who are vulnerable, elderly people, people who have preexisting conditions, they may respond differently. even if it does work, you may need a booster shot as well which would then extend the time line even further. there's all these -- you have to manufacture it, you have to distlibt di distribute it. that one requires it to be distributed at a particular temperature. that can be a challenge as you distribute it around the world. some of it they're working on, anderson, we're very much at the beginning, though. >> michael, i want to talk about this -- a report that you and your colleagues put out today calling for what you call smart testing. can you just explain what an effective testing blueprint

looks like? because a lot of people have been talking -- focusing on testing, testing, testing. you say it should be smart testing. what does that mean? >> we agree testing is an important part to responding to the covid pandemic. no question about that. there are so many people. we have to do millions of tests and millions of tests without any understanding what they're asking for or asking about. and what we're saying is that you have to understand that a test is not just a single thing that happens. you have to be testing the right population. why are you testing these people? today if i tested any citizen in the state of minnesota for antibody, i'd probably find over half of them that have it, are false positive antibodies, meaning they don't have it. i'm testing certain groups that i need to have absolute certainty that i've screened out for the virus like we saw at the white house two weeks ago. we know that test didn't do that at all. those are not examples of smart testing. so you want the right test for the right person at the right time with the right result.

let me give you an example on right result. we find right now that many people who go to these auxiliary clinics or drive-by clinics are getting incomplete information. we can't even get back to them with the data about what the result was, or to health departments to have tracking information. this has to be part of a system, much more than just if we're testing for 8,000 people today, we made it. it's like the dow jones average. we need to do smart testing to test those who need it and get the results back to them and make a difference. >> it's pretty alarming, michael, that even in the white house the testing they're doing, you're saying that's not smart testing. >> that was not smart testing at all. i mean, trying to use that test as it was used to protect the president of the united states is like giving squirt guns to the secret service and say, protect the president. that was just not an effective use of that test because there were clearly examples we could have false negatives, many of them. and so, again, testing is important, but you've got to use the right test, and how you use

it. and we've got to make sure that we have free agents. for example, many people are not aware of the fact we're running these testing machines 24/7 right now around the world. these machines were never made for that. if you need spare parts today for the machines that are running like that, they come from asia or europe. we just haven't thought about all the things that it takes to keep a testing system in place. and so that's what we're trying to come back to and say, i don't want to hear another governor say everybody go get tested. that is a wrong use of the test. what we're trying to do is use it where we're going to have the most impact and try and stop the pandemic, where we're going to know what's going on in our communities and using it in outbreak situations like these hot spots so that we're effectively controlling them. that's different than mindless, just go get tested. >> michael, it was fascinating reporting you put out. >> thank you. >> sanjay as well. i want to apologize for coughing

twice. i have no symptoms. it's asthma i get every time this year. coming up next, what's ocht president's mind in the middle of the pandemic that's not the pandemic. we'll explain other head. new one a day natural fruit bites multivitamins are made with farm grown apples as the first ingredient. and key nutrients you want. so you can have a daily multivitamin free of stuff you don't want. one a day natural fruit bites. a new way to multivitamin. to ewhether you'reting these uncaring for your. family at home or those at work, principal is by your side. we're working hard to answer your questions. like helping you understand what the recently passed economic package can mean for you. we're more than a financial company. we're a "together we can get through anything" company. now, more than ever.

t-mobile and sprint to power your business. we're building a 5g network that will deliver unprecedented reach and reliability, and the highest capacity in history. with more coverage and more bandwidth to keep your employees connected, you will get the largest and most reliable network at an unbeatable price.

t-mobile for business. when bugs move in we stress out and spray. well, we used to. new ortho home defense max indoor insect barrier kills and prevents bugs for up to a year without odors, stains or fuss. new ortho home defense max. bugs gone. stress gone. i am totally blind. and non-24 can make me show up too early... or too late. or make me feel like i'm not really "there."

talk to your doctor, and call 844-234-2424. "the retur"drafting"ing" "the return of the slide job" "ripping the wall" "gas-n-go" "bump-n-run" "the return of loud" "nascar is back, and xfinity is bringing you the best seat in the house."

with today seeing the largest single day increase in global coronavirus, 93,000 americans having lost their lives and states reopening, new cases still rising, majority of americans from both parties say they prefer going slow, you would think the president would be concerned about this and this alone. i think he would feel the weight of the responsibility he has for 350 million american's lives, but then you might look at his twitter feed. quoting now.

craze i had bernie sanders is not a fighter. he gives up too easy. the dem establishment had pete and klobuchar quit. he gets pocahontas to stay in the race. if you're counting, that's three school yard names, one ethnic slur all in a single tweet. there is this one a two-for, three-for. roger stone has been treated very unfairly. how about that jury forewoman. does anybody think that was fair? disgraceful. stay tuned. joe scarborough is allowed to walk the streets, open cold case. the president of the united states in the middle of a pandemic defending a convicted felon and attacking a juror for doing her civic duty. after using a slur to anyone with mental illness or caring for someone who may be suffering from mental illness, the president repeats his thinly veiled allegation against joe scarborough committing murder. we won't elaborate on the allegation. it concerns a former congressional aide who collapsed

from a heart arrhythmia. she collapsed and hit her head and died. that's what they determined. authorities never suspected foul play. it is utterly heartless to this woman's family and her memory. that's what the president found time to do today. he also promoted conspiracy theories about the former admission and tweet about the pandemic. some of it was routine, some of it not. he tweeted and i quote, michigan sends absentee ballot applications to 7.7 million people ahead of primaries in the general election. this was done illegally and without authorization by a rogue secretary of state. i will ask to hold up funding to michigan if they want to go down this voter fraud path. sent a similar tweet by the way about nevada. the issue is not really that everything he said in them is factually false. it is. the important part is his threat to withhold funding from the states if they don't do his bidding. and late today a senior administration official left that thread hanging. telling cnn, know decision made at this time.

discussions are ongoing. those are the words, i want you to do us a favor. ring any bells? seems like a long time ago. there's that, and this. military members, they vote by mail. so do students and states that don't do mail-in voting. so does the president of the united states. >> the president himself voted two months ago by mail-in ballot. there are several republican states also doing mail-in applications for ballot. i'm confused, what is it that he thinks is illegal that's happening in michigan? he doesn't really specify. >> so, first with regard to the president doing a mail-in vote, the president is, after all, the president which he's here in washington. he's unable to cast his vote down in florida, his state of residence. for him that's why he had to do a mail-in vote. he supports mail-in voting for a reason if you're unable to be present. >> perspective from kaitlan collins who asked that question

and cnn's dana bash. what do you make of mcenany's response? it seems ironic coming from the president who goes to florida quite often. i'm wondering what you made of the response. >> i don't think it's surprising the president votes by mail. of course, he doesn't live in the state he now calls home, florida. but the point overall is that the president cannot vote there. but people and their concern seeing this move in towards mail-in ballots and applications happening because people are concerned what it's going to look like when there are primaries and when the general election happens in november. it's not just november that is a concern for some of these secretaries of state. it's primaries that are happening before then and whether or not people should be standing in line close to each other for hours on end waiting to vote if, depending on where we are, what progress has been made about the pandemic so far. so that's why it was so notable seeing the president go so hard after michigan today when you've seen georgia's secretary of state make similar moves and, of course, the secretary of state in nevada is a republican.

they are moving to an all mile-in voting for the primary over the summer. that was the question. he's only single out certain states like michigan. and later in the cabinet room he tied it directly to polling, talking about a battle ground state in michigan. saying he got new polling in he says has him up in michigan. so making clear there is certainly a political aspect to this. >> dana, what is the political calculation for the president here? >> it's so incredibly transparent. i mean, that is what is consistently remarkable about this president, is that he doesn't hide what he's doing. i mean, he is -- in a way that we used to have -- >> he says quiet stuff out loud. >> always. we always historically had to peel back the onion, what's going on inside the white house? he does it on twitter. and today he did it in an extraordinary way, given the amount of time that he used, minimal amount of time to

explode against a whole range of people, as you said. the thing about michigan and nevada which he didn't mention as caitlan said, is that it is a belief and strong belief, and the president's political orbit, that if there is mail- -- if there are mail-in ballots, the democrats will do better and republicans will do worse. that is the political belief. that is why he said what he said. not just that. i remember, anderson, talking to one of the president's friends as this was beginning. one of those weeks where he was really going at it with the governors. and this person said, the governors better be careful because this is a guy who will withhold money, especially blue state governors or governors he doesn't like, if they continue to push back against him. and there we have it. that's exactly what he did today. >> caitlan, it seems to me the president can basically just, using his usual playbook, pick an enemy, distract from what is

going on certainly with the pandemic, the death toll, and just focus on something which he's focused on before, which is conspiracy theories about voter fraud. he still is claiming there are millions of people voting illegally in california, millions of illegal immigrants voting against him and voting for hillary clinton. >> reporter: yeah, these are two of the tactics you see the president use often when something he doesn't like happens. he threatens to withhold funding or he says whatever is happening is illegal. he did both of those today when it comes to michigan. later when he was pressed and the white house press secretary was pressed, which funding is he considering withholding, the president did not answer, neither did the press secretary. and he even said, you know, he doesn't think he's going to have to withhold funding after all. they tried to craft a excuse he was trike to send an office to the management and budget director who the press secretary said and acknowledged the president had seen today. so why would he need to tweet to send that message? of course, withholding funding is another thing the president has threatened before when it

comes to sanctuary cities, when it comes to nato. you've seen it time and time again not just with michigan today. the question, we're seek it now with the w.h.o., the world health organization play out. oftentimes the president doesn't always follow through on those threats, so that's the question here, you know, is this just a political tactic, is he being serious and he's going to withhold funding? the state going through the pandemic pretty severely right now, and the white house wasn't able to give a lot of details on that today. >> dana, he clearly sees a political advantage in going after michigan, repeatedly the governor of michigan as well. >> um-hmm, absolutely. it makes you think as a political observer, particularly of the map, whether or not he's doing this because he thinks michigan is a goner or because this is the best way in that critical state, what's critical for him in 2016, he wouldn't be president without winning michigan in a very surprise victory there.

or is it because he sees the protests, he understands that the only way that he has a chance there is to get the base out, plus whatever voters are out there that might have come his way or at least stayed home four years ago and might be interested in voting for him if they don't like the governor. i mean, those are the calculations that go through his mind. but i really do think, having said that, in this particular case it's a two-for. the governor has made him mad because she is on tv a lot criticizing him and the administration. in many ways she has a point because she was looking for important materials to fight the pandemic that she didn't get at the beginning. and then number two, she's in the running to be the potential running mate for joe biden. and, look, she is a woman of power, and we have seen the president go after women of power, especially in the other party. >> yeah, kaitlan collins, dana

bash, thank you very much. appreciate it. there is breaking news about the pandemic and its effect on college athletics. the ncaa says division one athletes in football and basketball can be begin training in june. straight ahead i'll talk with charles barkley and a live match celebrity event for covid relief that's coming this weekend, and why it matters. we'll talk to charles in a moment. every financial plan needs a cfp® professional -- confident financial plans, calming financial plans, complete financial plans. they're all possible with a cfp® professional. find yours at letsmakeaplan.org. ♪ unilever, the makers of dove, hellmann's, vaseline, and more, is donating millions of products

to frontline aid organizations like feeding america and direct relief. to get help or give help, join us at weareunitedforamerica.com. ♪ yoo-hoo, progressive shoppers.

we laughed with you. sprinkles are for winners. we surprised you. on occasion, we've probably even annoyed you. we've done this all with one thing in mind. to help protect the things you love. and if we can't offer you the best price we'll help you find a better one. it's not always the lowest! even if it's not with us. that's how we've done it for the past 80 years. not just today, or this month, but always. there's no better story than your story. and ancestry can help you discover it. you might just find the more you learn about your family history the more you'll want to know.

breaking news from the world of college sports tonight, the ncaa says college athletics -- college athletes in football and basketball division one schools can begin voluntary training on campus beginning june 1st. as for professional sports as we know, there have been almost no live television sporting events since the shutdown began early in march. for fans of golf and celebrity watching sunday will change that. turner sports is going to televise a high-stakes golf game with $10 million promised to covid-19 relief. owned by at&t. charles barkley joins me now. charles, i'm not a huge sports fan, but i am a huge charles barkley fan. first, what's your reaction to the breaking news division one football and basketball athletes can begin june 1st, other sports

decisions expected soon? were you surprised? do you think it's safe? >> i don't think it's safe, number one. but those are the two money making sports. i don't think it matters as much for basketball because basketball does president stan' november. football starts in august. i just want these kids to be safe. anderson, listen, it's a lot of money at stake, but i do not think it's safe. i would not want my kid, until we know more about what can happen, we need to wait until we're closer to a treatment or a vaccine. but, listen, money is going to run this thing and that's really unfortunate. >> what about -- you know, i talked to the baseball commissioner last thursday, sanjay and i. he was talking about getting the season going this summer, no fans in attendance. what about playing with no fans, is that feasible? does it -- what's that like for players?

>> well, i've never had the pleasure -- the misfortune. fans are important. they're significant. they work two ways. sometimes they give you energy that you never knew you had, and sometimes somebody -- some of the fans are so hard, that makes you rise up. so i would never want to play a sporting event without fans personally. >> i want to turn to this weekend's event. it's going to be the second time the match between tiger woods and phil mickelson has been played. how would the rematch with the addition of tom brady and payton manning, how did that come about? >> you know, we're trying to do something. it's really -- doctors and these first responders, they're heroes, firemen and policemen. but, man, we really miss sports. it's been really weird not having sports.

anderson, without sports, all we have to do is talk about reality and obviously reality right now is not great for a lot of people, especially my thoughts and prayers to the people in the hospitality field. but it's going to be awesome. you have the greatest athletes in the history of sports. obviously i think tiger personally is the greatest athlete -- greatest golfer who ever lived. you've got phil mickelson who in my opinion is one of the five to ten greatest golfers ever. you have tom brady who is the goat in football. you have payton who is one of three of four best quarterbacks ever. they're going to raise a lot of -- $10 million is a lot of money for charity. it's going to be a lot of fun. and i cannot wait. >> and, now, are you going to get involved? like i sense this is something you might actually get involved with somehow. like i can't see you just standing there commenting. i feel like you somehow are going to get roped into this.

i feel like side bets are going to be made. there are going to be side competitions going on. >> well, no, actually, you know, i work with -- >> oh, no, did we lose him? >> the 18th hole, anderson, if i make bogey -- bogey, they're going to give $200,000 to my favorite charity. but the reason i call them cheap, if i make birdie, they should donate $500,000 to a charity. if i make par, they should donate $300,000 to the charity. so, call your bosses up and tell them quit being cheap. i'm going to at least try to make a bogey. and i'm going to get $200,000 to my favorite charity. i'm going to give it to two food banks. but i got to make bogey. so i'm a little -- obviously i'm nervous because i'm not the best golfer in the world. but i'm guaranteeing you that i'm going to make bogey.

>> all right. well, you've got a couple of days to practice on this. $10 million donation, it's being spread out among different charities working on the covid crisis. you said the money you're going to raise is going to food banks. it's incredible what we have seen, the need from food banks. i mean, there are some incredible food banks out there. and they are -- they have events and you get 10,000 people coming to them. you get cars lining up for miles and miles and miles. it's just stunning to see in this country what is going on economically, the devastation. >> well, you know, it's unfortunate that when we have something like a pandemic and it really doesn't take that much, america is by far and away the greatest place in the world. but the gap between the rich and the poor is really, really sad. and it's obviously magnified now. you look at the hospitality industry, they've been closed for two months. but they also got two problems

coming out. number one, people are not going to have money to go to restaurants. and also people >> so the hospitality, they're going to be really struggling and a lot of them are not ever going to come back and a lot of people work they're the ones at those food banks and we've got to do everything we can to help them. >> yeah. it's also incredible to me and i saw you talking about don and van about this on their special as you say this is like an x-ray machine that shows the inequalities and injustice that existed before. it just magnifies it and lays things bare. i'm in new york city and to see all of us able to stay home are only able to do that because there are folks not getting paid a lot of money working in grocery stores risking their

lives, picking up the trash risking their lives. to me it's just such a reminder of who really is essential in this society, and it ain't me. it's people out there who are actually doing stuff that makes all of us able to work from home. >> if you look at the numbers black people and brown people they don't make up over 50% of the country but make up 50% of the covid infections and viruses in this country. black people and brown people they can't social distance. growing up i lived in a two bedroom condo -- excuse me, in the projects with a mother, grandmother and three brothers. we can't social distance. and also you have these people that are amazing working at these meat packing factories. they have to go to work because they live paycheck to paycheck. one reason the people who work

in these hotels that's the one thing that scares me about we're all going to try to play sports. they said they're going to keep the players in a bubble but what about the maids? the maids aren't going to be stuck in a bubble. they're going to go home. you've got people who work in room service. they're going to go home. that's why i'm really concerned ability the season starting again because i would hate to see any of my players and anybody in my family get sick. >> a also and inequities that have existed in health care for people of color, for black americans, hispanic americans which have been long -- you know, that's well reported out, well-researched, how patients are treated differently based on doctors perception of them, even inherent biases. it's startling to see all that stuff just amplified in this, and i just hope that, you know, whenever this dissipates we don't just kind of go back to

the way things were before that we take, you know, what we have seen and act accordingly moving forward. i mean, at least in how we treat people and who we view as essential in a society. >> well, the one thing we got to do obviously we've got to work on the economic model between the rich and the poor. but the one thing we've got to do when this thing gets better we've got to make sure everyone got health care. president obama tried to do obamacare. president trump striked a lot of it down but we've got a lot of work to do economically, but the one thing i hope for out of this, man, we've got to make sure everybody, rich, poor, black, white, jewish, hispanic, everybody got great health care. >> like you said i don't know much about sports. i feel like i don't really know who the characters are. i feel like if i just took a couple of weeks and studied who everybody is playing i would get more into it. but it amazes me how it does

unite people and bring people together. and if you love sports you can talk about it with anybody, you can talk to anybody anywhere you go, and i feel like that's really -- i think people are just crying out for something that brings us all together. i mean, i'm going to watch this golf tournament. i don't even know anything about golf. >> and i've said earlier i've always said unless you're a policeman, fireman, teacher doctor, someone in the armed services those are important jobs and significant. i want to add first responders and nurses to that right away also, but let me tell you something. i've learned something through this pandemic. man, we need sports. are they the most important thing in the world? not even close, but the one thing they do, they take your mind off all the other crap that's going on in the world. and you just need a break. whether it's golf, whether it's nascar, whether it's hockey, whether it's tennis. you just need to get away from

reality, man. because i don't mean this in a bad way. reality sucks for a lot of people. >> well, also to see somebody doing something just physically extraordinary and intellectually extraordinary on a court or, you know, on, you know, whatever the grass is where people play golf, it's a cool thing to be part of and feel like you're a part of. this is sunday 3:00 p.m. eastern, and you've bere havingn tiger woods home course. >> it's happening on tiger woods home course. the second nine they're playing best ball and they're playing alternate shots. to watch the best athletes in the history of civilization play golf and everybody should tune

in just for the hilarity of it. >> charles barkley, i will definitely be watching. i love talking to you always. thank you very much. >> hey, thanks for having me and congratulations on being a father. >> thank you very much. and i said this to you during the break but it really meant a lot for me to hear from you. thank you. and finally tonight as we try to every night we want to remember and honor more people who have lost their lives in this pandemic. they were married for 56 years. harvey was born and raised in brooklyn. marjit was from hungary. she lived through the holocaust. she was sent to a series of concentration camps including auschwitz. they married in 1953.

they had two kids. with harvey's help and support marget dedicated her life to teaching young people about those who died during the holocaust. marget feldman was 90 years old and harry feldman was 91 years old. he had five children and they all gathered together every day outside his hospital window in new hampshire. they wanted him to know they were there. they made signs for their dad telling him they loved him and missed him. they also made signs for the nurses who were caring for him. every day the nurses at the medical center would look for the family and always wave to them from inside. after rene passed away the nurses posted two signs from the window where they usually waved. the signs read he's at peace, we are so sorry. rene's family said they found

great comfort in these nurses knowing their dad was well-taken care of up until the end. their dad was 65 years old. that's it for us. i want to hand it over to chris for "cuomo primetime." thank you, anderson. i am chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." please join me tonight not spending anymore time about this nonsense about the president refusing to acknowledge anything should have been done differently in the handling of the pandemic. why is the media going after it, who cares? have you ever heard him take responsibility for any mistake? he has three tools in the face of criticism, deny, lie and defy. and then he has a rotation of robotic mouthpieces that parrot the same thing that he says. look, in november this president will be weighed and measured by you. that's then. right now forget about what he says. what matters is how we're