if there was a mold for what human beings would be it would be based on gerard bartuch. may they and all of the fallen veterans rest in peace tonight and may their memories be a blessing. erin burnett "out front" starts right now. "out front" next, another major study shows the trump has been touting and taking himself, it could be deadly. why isn't it case closed at the white house? plus were deaths at nursing homes in new york preventable? thousands of recovering coronavirus patients were moved to nursing home, why? joe biden apologizing for saying black voters ain't black if they're voting for trump. charlemagne tha god is up next.

a drug president trump was touting and taking himself, a study on hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine want only found that the drugs did not only help coronavirus patients, but they were also linked to an increased risk of death and heart problems. the study looked at 96,000 patients across six continent and in addition to two other studies that found the drug did not work. when dr. deborah birx was asked about president trump taking the drug she acknowledged the concerns the fda has with hydroxychloroquine, but also said this. >> there are still controlled trials going on both for prophylaxis and pre-exposure prophylaxis as well as controlled trials in a hospital setting how these drugs do, and i think those are still pending. >> leaving the door open. look, was there today's study and of course, there were also two other studies published in

the new england journal of medicine and the jama, the two preeminent medical journals in the world along with "the lancet," those two showed that the drug does not help cure coronavirus despite there were multiple others, smaller studies which is also show that which is why leaving the door open and yet president sends a dangerous example by touting the drug constantly, and telling the world he was taking hydroxychloroquine to prevent coronavirus because he has a powerful megaphone, and he isn't like all the rest of us. he's the president. people listen to him, right? they can do what he does even though they don't have the doctor care he has because he's the president. despite the fda warning against using hydroxychloroquine outside of hospitals, 830,000 prescriptions for filled in march after the president started talking about it. just so you understand what i mean about his megaphone, that is up 80% from the same time the year before. it's clear people were listening to him, but that friday warning,

study after study, has not stopped the president. >> i really think it's a great thing to try, just based on what i know. a lot of good things have come out about the hydroxy. >> i've heard a lot of good stories and if it's not good, i'll tell you, what do you have to lose? take it. >> what do you have to lose? take it. as we just said the most recent trial, 96,000 people and for some people what they have to lose is their lives. the drug can be deadly and americans are frankly desperate for answers on what can cure the deadly virus. instead of fostering false hope about hydroxychloroquine why isn't the president asking for answers on other treatment instead of telling anybody what drug to take? jeremy diamond is live outside the white house. jeremy, is there any sense that when you get a study of 96,000 people saying this can be deadly ask kill some people that would force the president to back away from, quote, unquote, take it when it comes to

hydroxychloroquine? >> reporter: well, i certainly wouldn't hold your breath, erin. you have to keep in mind that the fact that the president who announced just a few days ago who announced he's been taking hydroxychloroquine, he's been doing that amid mounting evidence that hydroxychloroquine is not an effective treatment for coronavirus and in fact, it is dangerous and could lead to increased mortality and lead to all of these heart problems and the president announced a few days ago that he was taking this drug and it was a week after this new study that came out last week before today's study even though today's study is the most comprehensive to date. it's certainly not the first to show that there are dangerous effects as it relates to coronavirus. of course, the president in deciding to take this drug, he isn't just taking it. he's using his megaphone as you were just saying, erin to tout its effectiveness and its safety. the president just yesterday was saying, look, i've been taking this drug for nearly two weeks. i'm still here as if that is some kind of scientific proof here.

the president today refused to take questions about hydroxychloroquine and why he's taking this drug. we did hear from dr. deborah birx, she did echo those warnings from the fda which does say that you should not use this outside of a clinical trial or hospitalized setting, but erin, she refused to answer the question about whether or not americans should be using this drug as a prophylaxis as the president is. erin? >> jeremy, thank you very much. i want to go right now to dr. patel. he is the lead researcher and senior author of the hydroxychloroquine study. what is the most important takeaway of your study, doctor? >> the takeaway is patients who are covid-positive who are hospitalized, if they are treated with hydroxychloroquine or one of its analogs, they have an increased risk of a bad outcome and just to put it in simple terms. if you give it to 23 patients, one out of every 23 patients will have something very bad

happen to them if they're in the hospital with covid and they receive these medications. >> i mean, look, it's a pretty stunning thing especially i'm not putting you in a political position, but you have the president saying what do you have to lose? take it. you're saying one in 23 people can have a severely adverse outcome by taking it, and that's what the medical analysis is here. what other sorts of things and i know we're talking about heart issues and stuff that are happening to people? >> so the key is once you're hospitalized with covid it's a very different patient population than the people who are outside or what they call outpatient or prophylactic, but these patients when they were matched for whether they have heart disease, you know, high cholesterol, kidney issues, when you take these patients and give them these medications they're already at high risk. this makes them at an even higher risk and the key what the cdc says outside of a clinical

trial they should not be used and that's the key or under a physician's direction. so that's very important. so when people say should we stop chloroquine, we have to remember millions of patients have to take it for malaria prophylaxis around the world so we don't want to be alarmist and scare them, but patients who go to the hospital and have covid should not be treated with these medications. >> so did you find any benefits at all for treating coronavirus with hydroxychloroquine? >> not in hospitalized patients. >> so absolutely none at all. so the question is for you, do you think more research needs to be done on the drug when it comes to specifically treatment for people who have coronavirus as opposed to prophylaxis where i know there are ongoing trials? >> not in hospitalized patients. i think the key as you said is in prophylaxis outpatients. it's a very different patient population. there are so many different medications being studied right

now and that's the key. being studied. so instead of just giving medications and going to randomized trials and getting objective data. studies like ours form the basis of how many patients are needed to form mega trials around the world and get the best data so we can help the most number of patient, but instead of just scaring them we don't want to hurt patients while we're trying to just experiment and that's the scariest thing we're dealing with. >> this is a black and white issue when it comes to treatment. when you see an 80% increase in scripts, how much does that concern you, and i know it is unproven whether it will be effective or not, but given the dangers of the drug itself, does it concern you to see just such a huge increase in scripts for a lot of people to state the obvious are not in a trial and are not under full doctor

monitoring? >> so i think in order to get a prescription, some physician would have had to have written it. >> you're not monitored like in a hospital in terms of your ekg and your heart rate and the possible complications and toxicities and hospital you can monitor. in a study you try to monitor so the 80% increase is very dangerous in unmonitored situations and so that is a huge concern with not only these medications, but other medications where people can repurpose and how about can we just try this because it worked in the lab dish. >> thank you very much, dr. patel, i appreciate your time and thanks for sharing the bottom line on this study. >> thank you. >> a member of the "out front" medical team and he advised the white house medical team under george bush and currently with the cardiac lab at g.w. you heard dr. patel say this is a black and white conclusion,

no, you should not be using it as a treatment for coronavirus patients in hospital. so should -- what's your reaction to this? there was no wiggle room. there was no nuance. he was very clear about this. >> yeah. let me be even clearer. the only patients who benefit from this drug are patients who have a disease like lupus or some other auto immune disease. those are the only patients who we know have a clearly defined benefit and people with malaria as a prophylaxis. no one with covid-19 or suspected covid-19 or trying to prevent covid-19 should take hydroxychloroquine. we know in sick patients with this, not only does the drug not help, but that it is clearly harmful so no one with covid-19 should take this drug unless they're enrolled in a clinical trial. in a similar fashion there is no data right now that supports

that taking this either after exposure to the virus or just because you're worried and you want to ward off the virus for prophylaxis. there's no data to support the use of this. no one should be taking this drug. >> all right. so that is very loud and clear. so i want to ask you about dr. birx. i just played, when she was asked about the study whether she would recommend the drug, she sidestepped the question and said her main takeaway and i quote her, core morbidity puts individuals at more risk. i presume people who have a heart issue and take it on top of that and she mentioned the ongoing studies about hydroxychloroquine. she did not answer the question the way you did or dr. patel did. why do you think that is? >> well, her boss casts a very, very large shadow. i'll tell you that in dr. patel's study, the two groups of people that did particularly poorly in his study were people

with increased body weight and increased age. so i particularly would not use the drug in that group or in any group, but look, it's not her job to spin. she's a scientist. that's what she does best, but the president is a very intimidating presence. we need to hear more from the scientists and the physicians without any kind of political pressure on them. we should cease press conferences where only people like doctors birx and fauci are, but in the presence of the president yeah, he makes people spin. that's unfortunate spin. she's really a phenomenal scientist and she's better than that. >> dr. reiner, i appreciate your time. thank you. parts of the u.s. seeing a spike in coronavirus cases as the cdc estimates more than a third of casese cases are asymp. nursing homes are under scrutiny

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this time one week ago both loosening restrictions more than a month ago. meanwhile hot spots like new york and washington seeing their cases declining seeing a lockdown, all of this comes as the death toll in the united states has passed 95,000 lives. erica hill is out front. >> reporter: signs of summer falling into place, beaches, parks, pools, open across the country. >> we got some counters so we can count people coming in. >> bars in houston getting a head start thursday night as texas lifts more restrictions heading into the holiday weekend. in florida, all children's activities including camp can now resume. >> our kids have been out of organized activities for a couple of months now, and i think that we need to have a pathway to get it back. >> reporter: officials nationwide creating playbooks. >> nobody wants to be the mayor from jaws who lets everyone back in the water too soon, right? >> social distancing the new

mandate, masks, the must-have accessory. >> it is mandatory that you wear the mask within six feet of another person in public. you don't have a right to infect another person. you don't. >> reporter: as states ease limits on how many people can gather and where, president trump on friday declaring houses of worship essential calling on states to let them open. >> if they don't do it i will override the governors. >> rhode island's governor adamant it won't happen in her state this weekend. >> honestly, that would be reckless. it's friday. they're not ready. >> montgomery, alabama, emerging as a new hot spot. >> i think that we've been premature in our reopening of the economy in alabama. i think that's led to the spike. we've seen our numbers consistently go up. >> it's been smoldering. we've had a lid on it, but it is really now having the potential to get out of control. >> new cases in the city nearly doubling since the beginning of the month, another reminder that

as the rules change across the country, the virus has not. >> you can see the top three states are maryland, the district and virginia, and so there is still significant virus circulating here. >> minnesota, nebraska, chicago and los angeles also on the task force radar, just nine states showing a decline in new cases over the past week as the cdc now estimates 35% of infections are asymptomatic. >> i know the weather is warmer. i know people have been cooped up. i know there's tremendous energy to get out. you have to remain vigilant. >> and erin, that is certainly the messaging here not just in new york state, but new york city has not entered into a phase one of reopening and mayor bill de blasio saying if social distancing continues and if the numbers continue to go in the right direction and they continue to go down that new york city could consider moving

into phase one in the first or second week of june. >> erica, thank you very much. i want to go now to dr. richard basser, the former acting director of the cdc. good to have you back. i want to show you the graphic which is the average of new daily cases over the week. some states in the suth have emerged as potential hot spots and hospitals in montgomery, alabama, running out of icu beds and one doctor was saying they don't have any space now. they're seeing double what they would normally see in terms of people who were sick. do you think we're seeing a second wave in these states or is it too early to tell? >> you know, erin, in some of these states is may be in the sense a first wave. many of these places aren't hit as hard as places in the northeast and out in california and seattle, but you know, if you look at the criteria that the white house laid out in terms of when it might be safe to think about loosening up some of these restrictions, one of the key ones is that you have to

have excess room in your hospital system, not just to take care of patients with covid, but we've had these conversations before. think of all of the people with medical problems, heart disease, diabetes, cancer who have had these things taken care of because of covid and you don't want to go over the edge because of icu capacity and start sending people out so there is increased exposure on the pressure and the system. >> so when the cdc estimates 35% of coronavirus infections could be asymptomatic. is that -- obviously, this is their estimate and this is based on the work that they've been doing. in a sense, that seemed like a lot less than we might have thought. some people saying it could be half. when you see 35%, what do you think and do you think it's accurate? >> well, you know, it's a number that's being used for planning scenarios and i think as we get more information and more data we'll be able to get a better handle on that, but in order to understand that number, you're

going to have to be doing that antibody testing with really good tests across thousands and thousands of people in many places and that hasn't been done. for planning purposes, that's a significant number and it may be higher and lower than that, but what it tells us is a lot of people walking around may have covid and wearing masks is important and you want to see that message coming in from the top down to public health so people are really doing it. >> of course, dr. birx did wear her max today, and at the podium the president has made it clear he won't. just moments ago, researchers published data for the first major trial of remdesivir. we had seen the headline results, right? that it had effectiveness in terms of the length that people got better more quickly, and the data just came out now. so it shortened the illness from 15 days to about 11 days, but they did say it was not a cure and did not act quickly.

so the conclusion that they're actually saying now is that that drug alone is not enough. i remember when that first came out that caused a big market reaction and people were thinking this is a big thing upon they're making it clear that it is what it is. it's not going to carry it. >> you know, it points to the importance of waiting until the scientific papers are out and when the study came out, the benefits that they talked about were real, but small and i think what we will probably see is a number of drugs that come down the pike that provide some value, but -- but not total value and it may be some combination that provides more. the other piece of it we have to ensure that when there are treatments, vaccines and other drugs that they're being made available to everybody in all communities because when we talk about these big differences in death rates among black americans, latinos and native americans you don't want that to

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tonight, a new report from the associated press shows more than 4,300 people were moved to new york's nursing homes as they recovered from coronavirus. nearly 6,000 people died in nursing homes across the state, and the real question now is could plenty of those deaths have been prevented? jason carroll is out front. >> nursing homes are the single biggest fear in all of this. >> in the midst of the coronavirus crisis last month, new york's governor said the medical evidence showed where people were suffering and dying the most in this state. >> vulnerable people in one

place, it is the feeding frenzy for this virus. >> despite those words, critics say one of the governor's executive orders ended up hurting rather than helping those most in need. that former directive asked nursing homes to take recovering covid patients even if those patient his not first been tested to see if they were clear of the virus. now the associated press reports more than 4,300 recovering coronavirus patients were returned to nursing homes in the state following the march 25th executive order. the state department of health says they're still trying to verify their numbers. cnn has not been able to independently confirm the number of patients discharged from hospitals to nursing homes. stewart almer is the ceo of the jewish nursing home in long island. >> it might have been more of a rush to find a solution during a crisis. >> his facility had to take in 58 recovering covid patients

from hospitals. >> the mandate came and it just took things to another level. it was almost a cascading effect of events. >> almer said 53 patients died from covid-19 and it is unclear if it came from accepting recovering patients. others in the long-term care industry not surprised so many recovering covid patients ended up in nursing homes. >> the focus was really 100% on the hospitals and the nursing homes, i always feel that we're sort of an afterthought. >> reporter: under intense criticism and almost two months after the governor initiated that controversial directive he reversed it on may 10th and required testing of nursing home residents once a week and staff twice a week. >> we're just not going to send a person who is positive to a nursing home after a hospital visit.

period. >> according to the state health department, over the past two months there are more than 3,000 confirmed coronavirus deaths among residents at care facilities in the state. this week the governor responding to critics saying the former mandate was partly based on not only a critical need for hospital beds at the time, but also on federal guidelines which advised nursing homes should accept covid-19-positive patients if they could care for them. >> anyone who wants to ask why did the state do that with covid patients and the nursing home it's because the state followed president trump's cdc guidance. >> the administration today showing troubling numbers of covid cases at care facilities nationwide and again asking states to do more testing. >> to encourage governors that test 100% of the nursing home residents and staff because many of our outbreaks that we have seen over the last two months have started in nursing homes. >> but some health care experts

say looking forward, what is needed are more than cdc guideline, but a national policy addressing covid-19 at nursing homes. >> what concerns me most is that the country hasn't learned enough from the mistake and we don't have a national testing strategy for nursing homes. >> and erin, those that we spoke to in the nursing care industry tell us that going forward what would really help them whether it be at the state level or at the federal level would be to have more of a seat at the table when policies about their industry is being made. erin? >> all right. jason, thank you very much, and i want to go now to democratic assemblyman rob kim of queens new york who has coronavirus deaths in nursing homes. assemblyman kim, you do represent an area with some of the most nursing home deaths in the state. when you hear that more than

4,300 people recovering from the coronavirus were sent back to nursing homes, what's your reaction? >> i was absolutely shocked that the state of new york sense so many people back to nursing homes when they're hospitals and those are covid-positive patients that should have been treated at hospitals or other facilities that were equipped to take them in, and many were shocked at that time and many of us wrote letters at the department of health and asked them to stop the policy and transfer those patients out and other states who initially put in those orders scaled back immediately, recognizing the ms. takes th mistakes that they made and it took us months to recognize that error and it cost lives in that period. >> when governor cuomo -- the state order they're saying was based on federal guidelines and dozens of other states.

it sounds like other states reversed course and new york didn't. what do you say to the governor? >> in other states not only reversed their course, they went the other way and banned covid-positive patients from entering. that was our duty as a state. the nursing home residents have fundamental rights that was protected by federal and state guidelines and state statutes. there is a thing called the bill of rights for residents as should have been enforced and strengthened during this covid-19 crisis and you can completely waive those rights and violate a lot of people'sable out people's ability to protect themselves. we should have listened early on and reversed the order early on and gone in a different direction. there will be plenty of time to figure out why he did this and made the mistake, but right now we need to move forward and get this right because we could be

potentially facing a second wave and we need to get this right before the second wave hits our most vulnerable populations. >> you know, i guess when you look at 4,300 people recovering from the virus and put in nursing homes, is it fair to say would deaths have been prevented had this been a different policy? >> i think there are different factors that went into this decision making. around the same time that this executive order was issued the state of new york issued a blanket corporate immunity for nursing homes and nursing home executives. we were one of 12 states that gave them corporate blanket immunity so while they're taking in covid-positive they knew they couldn't be prosecuted or they couldn't be sued by third parties. it's a combination of all those things that i think led to this tragic moment and now we must learn from the mistakes and stop, you know, passing the buck on to other people and we just

need to have ownership as a state and we have different laws that we're proposing to achieve that. you know, let's make sure that the buck stops at some point with some leader that we can rely on and stop engaging in the blame game. somebody needs to step up and take ownership. if we made a mistake we should admit it and move forward and make sure we get this right. >> do you think bottom line it would help that governor cuomo admits more the mistakes he made? >> think it would be helpful to the thousands of lives including myself. i lost my uncle in april and hundreds of other local families who couldn't communicate with someone in the nursing home. i lost my uncle in that process. i share the trauma and pain of the thousands of families who lost loved ones and all we are waiting for is the leader to step up and say if they made a mistake, we are willing to

forgive the governor. what's important that we don't get fixated on bad decisions and we need to grow out of this and learn immediately to move forward in the right direction. >> i appreciate your time, assemblyman kim. sorry for your loss. up next, where does the fda walk the line and joe biden walking back this comment. if you have a hard time figuring out between me and trump, then you ain't black. >> charlamagne tha god. complete financial plans. they're all possible with a cfp® professional. find yours at letsmakeaplan.org.

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>> we are leaving no stone unturned. >> reporter: but critics say those decisions have at times appeared to be more motivated by politics and data, particularly as president trump politicizes research. >> it is a trump enemy statement. >> and touts a drug with potentially deadly side effects. >> people swear by it and it's got a bad reputation only because i'm promoting it. >> dr. stephen hahn told cnn in an interview that science and data are his north star guiding the coronavirus response. some of the science and data aren't perfect in emergency situation, hahn said. you make the best with the information you have at hand. along the way the agency issued high-profile reversals and revisions. the agency walked back strict rules for developers after complaints that the regulations were making it hard to scale up testing. only after first allowing unproven tests on the market. and it allowed the use of

chinese-made n95 masks only to reverse course and ban many of them, but the most public battle has been over hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malaria drug seen as the potential crowe treatment. >> that's the drug that the president has directed us to take a closer look at. the fda granted the drug in emergency use authrisation in march citing anecdotal evidence that it could be effective. one top fda official told cnn it's an impossible political situation. they were artful with their wording making it clear they thought it was b.s. the politicized environment would have been tough for any fda head to navigate. >> that's a situation where there is a tremendous amount of pressure being applied and when there's all of this outside noise. you know that there are things that are going on outside of fda that are driving the pressure to make certain decisions. >> reporter: last month the fda warned of the drug's dangerous possible side effects, and a

large observational study published today that covid-19 patients treated with the drug were more likely to die from heart a rith rrhythmias by tryi get federal health officials to have widespread use of hydroxychloroquine. >> there were some attempts to bypass the vigorous betting process. >> a charge trump and the fda denied. hahn who took the helm at the fda just two weeks before the coronavirus emerged from china insisted he wasn't pressured into authorizing the use of hydroxychloroquine. i stand biour decisions because i think they're rooted in science and data and we'll continue to reevaluate. >> i asked dr. hahn what did he think about president trump taking hydroxychloroquine. he said doctors are free to approve drugs for off-label uses and this was a decision between president trump and his doctor.

back to you. >> all right, sara, thank you very much. next joe biden is backtracking on this -- >> if you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or trump then you ain't black. >> he was speaking to radio host charlamagne tha god who is out front next and the president's new culture war in the midst of a pandemic as he pushes to reopen houses of worship. one more bite! ♪ kraft. for the win win.

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tonight joe biden saying he regretz a comment he made about the black vote. here's what he said. >> it's a long way until november. we've got more questions. >> i tell you, if you've got a problem, figure out if you're more me and trump and you ain't black. >> nothing to do with trump, it's i want something for my community. >> "outfront" now, charlemagne,

it's good to be with you. obviously not this time. i want to play more of your exchange. it was lengthy, lot of substance in there. but it's that moment which has gotten so much attention here. what was your initial reaction when you heard people say quote, if you have a problem saying whether you're for me or trump, then you ain't black. >> my initial reaction was what i said. it's not about trump but who presents best deal for black people, have economic justice plan and finally give black people what they are owed for building that country. slavery was original sin, not repented for. you have to create legislation, policy and plans to counter that. i'm on board with whoever is offering that. my interests are black period. that's my initial reaction. >> want to make this clear.

i know all the democratic candidates came through your show. you're saying you're open to voting for trump? >> oh, no, definitely not saying that. just being that black people have been so loyal to the democratic party, we saved joe biden's political life in the primaries this year. i feel like they owe. simple as that. i'm not going to vote for the person that -- if -- just saying if i was a woman, dating a guy, guy i've been dealing with longest, that's who i'll go to and ask something of. new person may try to woo me but can't take him serious. going to the person that i feel i owe something to. that's how i look at it. >> i understand what you're saying, okay, not going to vote for trump but don't take it for granted. >> don't take it for granted. >> that i'm going to vote for

you. that's the moment that everyone was talking about. but in your interview you had 18 minutes where you were specifically talking about biden's agenda for black america. wanted to play a brief clip of that so people can understand more of the substance of your conversation. >> a lot of black voters, including myself feel that democrats take black voters for granted. >> i wanton a larger share than anybody, other than barack, them the folks that as we say brought me to the dance. >> hillary clinton talked about the crime bill, wanted to atone for that. >> she was wrong. it wasn't the crime bill but the drug legislation. >> that's really our time. i apologize. >> can't do that to black media. >> black and white media because my wife has to go on 6:00.

>> you have to come see us in new york. >> i will. >> we've got more questions. >> if you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or trump then you ain't black. >> that included someone on his team trying to cut in, saying thanks for your time, trying to end it. what was your overall takeaway from the conversation? >> my overall takeaway from the conversation was i heard him talking about things he did for black people back in the day. what have you done for me lately is my motto. i see black communities across america catching hell regardless of who is in the white house. people like to bring up coronavirus and how it's hitting black people hardest. that's because we have underlying conditions created by systemic racism that have never been fixed. if you create legislation that hurts, then you have to create legislation that helps. system has to be rebuilt. he's been part of the system.

'84, with mandatory minimum sentences, or '86 with crack laws for more time for crack than powder cocaine, and crime bill, he was on the front line in war on drugs and massive incarceration. if he wants to be president he has to fix that, help the people who have helped democrats all these years. >> later on this day he walked back his comment at call with black chamber of commerce, specifically just because you're black you would vote democrat. >> part of what he said. >> i shouldn't have been such a wise guy, so cavalier. no one should have to vote for any party based on race, religion, background. >> so that's what you're saying, but you're saying he still hasn't shown you why you would

vote for him specifically. >> yeah. it's that simple. he has black agenda called lift every voice plan. there's some cool things in there but i think could be much stronger. he's committed to having a black woman on the supreme court and i think a black woman running mate is necessary. especially after today, you know? statement he made was interesting, because that's something i hear from other black people. interesting to see old white man also looks at black people that way. question of what makes somebody black is discussion for black people, and white man is not qualified. but people connect blackness to support of black culture, so you see black person voting for trump and he's threat to marginalized people in the country. i understand the statement just from old white man like joe

biden. real bulwark moment if you've seen that movie. >> appreciate it. i like talking to you. >> and i like talking to you. it's very important he makes a black woman his running mate. too many sisters overqualified. stacey abrams, val demings, kamala harris, too many to be looked past. >> he did say there were many black women being considered. there's that. thanks. next, trump spokesperson takes jab at media and religious believes. >> interesting to be in room that desperately wants to see the churches and houses of worship stay closed. >> reporter who challenged her on that is my guest. and how can people stay safe during the holiday weekend?

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