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welcome back to a seshl edition of "outfront." trump dividing, leading into a cultural war in pandemic, declaring all houses of worship essential. warning if the governors don't allow them to open right now, he'll overrule them. >> call on all governors to allow places of worship to open right now. any question they have to call me but they're not going to be successful. >> open and call them if you're not, he's going to tell you to open. does the president have the power to force governors to reopen churches? >> the president said he's going to override the governors. under what authority would he do that? to your point, he said several

weeks ago this is all up to the governors. >> you're posing hypothetical, we can all hope -- >> he said would overrule the governors. >> you're assuming that governors will keep churches, mosques and synagogues shut down. >> white house press secretary kayleigh mcenany didn't answer the question but there is an answer, president doesn't have the power to overrule the governors. she went on to suggest that they don't care about faith. >> president will strongly encourage to let the churches open. it's interesting to be in room that wants to -- >> i object to that. i go to church, dying to go back to church. question we're asking you and would liked to have asked president and dr. birks, is it safe? if it's not, is the president

trying to encourage that or agree that people should wait. >> it's safe to reopen the churches if you do so in accordance with the guidelines. >> bottom line is this, president shouldn't be the one to tell people to go to houses of worship where big groups congregate. should be made in governors based upon the facts and science in their states. for reuters, just saw him in the exchange. what went through your mind when the press secretary said what she said, amazed to be in room where people want to keep churches closed. tone in your voice was pretty clear, dying to go back to church. >> i happen to be somebody who goes to church and felt very much like she was giving a broad brush statement about everyone in that room. truth is we were in that room and are every day to ask questions and get to the truth, to get to the facts behind these decisions. and the president didn't address

that. kay lee didn't address it under good questions from colleague, then made that statement we don't want churches, synagogues and mosques to be open. simply not true. lot of people in that room go to those places of worship and would like to go back, i'm one of them. >> why do you think she said that that reporters want the houses of worship to stay closed? >> i don't know. i think it's part of effort by white house and president trump's campaign to make the media a scapegoat or encourage his supporters to object to our reporting with statements like that. i think it's consistent with that kind of effort. president often works particularly well when he's got boogie man or somebody else to blame. that seems to be part of the same playbook that she was using. >> please stay with me. add in david gregory to our

conversation, author of "how's your faith" and beck, our religion commentator. you've written about faith, what is the trump white house trying to do? >> first i thought jeff, a colleague for years, handled that elegantly and appropriately to push back. what she said was beneath here as press secretary and someone i know who happens to be a person of deep faith herself, that was cheap shot that obscured the more important point, should houses of worship be considered essential? i think the president's right. i think they are essential. and i think it's important debate to have. but right now so many people have such a deep spiritual longing to be able to pray and pray in community.

they're being deprived that. it's really, really hard under these circumstances. i think we all need to appreciate that. that's a separate debate from the question of whether you can do so safely. that's the job of reporters in the white house briefing room to push back on that, say how do you do it safely, let's think about it. in a lot of faith communities, core members of those communities tend to be older, more vulnerable. how would you do it safely is important consideration and president often undermines important point he was making today about value of faith in people's lives, particularly in pandemic by suggesting he would override the governors which he can't do as constitutional matter. >> father beck, how do you feel about this? the white house saying they'll just tell people those houses are open, no matter what the governors say. as person of faith you have --

obviously your flock, how do you feel about this? >> first of all my feeling is we have been doing essential services. i've done funerals at grave sites, anointed the sick, ministered to people over the phone, said virtual masses. i heard a confession in a supermarket parking lot. it's not like religious services have not been being tended to. of course what the president is referring to is mass religious services like mass gatherings. and what we're told by health officials right now is that it's not safe to do it in that way. so why not let the governors and religious authorities get a plan together, which they have been doing by the way. we're set to open incrementally and safely. but simply say everyone open at the same time now. that's not about religious freedom. that's about courting illness and death, that's about

ignorance. i don't know why people who don't have expertise would speak about things that's not their field to speak about. >> can i interject, i appreciate -- i really appreciate where bob is coming from, at the same time we do designate certain services whether supermarket, lots of liquor stores are open, designate things essential and try to figure out how to safely do that. i'm jewish, among particularly orthod orthodox jews to convene minimum of ten men, restrictions have been loosened so they can do that safely in new york. it's fair to have this debate whether it should be considered essential and how you do it. what i don't like and agree with father beck about, we don't want to court illness and don't like

it becoming a political litmus test. you're either with the liberal press, all secular, or with people of faith. that's not the -- that's not the choice. that's totally inappropriate. that's not what's right. we can say that absolutely this is an essential gathering, essential service if you will to be able to pray in community, to be able to shake hands with people and offer the peace and so forth and still focus on the safety questions. >> and the president said this specifically about the -- you know, what is right and what is wrong to the point david is making. play what he said. >> the governors need to do the right thing and allow these very important, essential places of faith to open right now. for this weekend. if they don't do it, i will override the governors. >> obviously he can't override

the governors, need to make that point loud and clear again. he doesn't have constitutional right to do so. but it also appears he is trying to make this into a him and people of faith versus the godless, godless media in that case. but he misses what father beck was just saying, which is that these important places of faith have been there and are there for people right now. and they are opening carefully and slowly and not courting death. but that very important point, jeff. >> yeah. and i think it's also very clear that these places of worship also want their parishioners to be safe. so when the president makes it a question of right or wrong, i think that people who are making these decisions at local and state levels, also at church and synagogue and mosque levels, they're not weighing right or wrong but safety and being able to provide services to the

people who are members of their congregations, houses of worship. i got email from very senior leader of a christian church after that exchange said church and other religious leaders have been working with cdc on these guidelines and felt the rushed announcement undermined work they had done. they were working together to find right way to reopen and right time. >> father beck, what are the steps? you made that point, you've been working with authorities and government. what are the steps here? how does opening look when people can come in and congregate? >> beginning with allowing only ten at a time. almost not a full congregation obviously if you have ten people. taking all the necessary precautions. emptying the holy water fonts,

coming to communion one by one. one parish is having plexiglass in front of the priest to give communion under it. asking everybody to receive in the hands, not on the tongue. if you touch somebody's hand, you have to sanitize your hands before you give communion to the next person. having ushers escort people to their seats and out of the church. making sure people come in one by one. it's very specific but they need to do it incrementally because not everybody is in same place right now. not every doiocese is in the sae position of being ready, not every state. how do you give a federal dictate for a local issue. >> also consumer confidence point. what are individuals going to do? president and governors can say what they want, but individuals

have to make a decision whether they're comfortable going into a large gathering space and it's highly individualistic. i've been with friends to a catholic mass in washington, d.c., that's sparsely populated. also to joel olsteen's church in houston where thousands come to service. that's not tenable right now. >> thank you all very. appreciate it. next the administration with message this memorial day weekend. >> you can be outside, play golf, tennis with mark, go to the beaches. >> with marked balls. what is safe? plus experts warn the u.s. has months to rebuild national stockpile or risk another shortage. deadly consequences. guest sounded that alarm. and economic adviser says the dire unemployment situation in united states will take a turn

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apart. >> six feet apart. is it that simple to stay safe outside? sara sidner is out front. >> reporter: sun, fun and coronavirus, how safe are we as summer pastimes beckon? even in the great outdoors, epidemiologists warn nothing is without risk. >> everything we do has risks attached to it. >> reporter: report by pnas said when it comes to covid-19 speech droplets by asymptomatic carriers are considered to be leading mode of infection. >> does appear to be a big driver of spread of disease. still learning every day. >> reporter: virus hunter, ucla epidemiologist who has spent decades researching in congo to

sus out next virus. how it's transmitted. >> staying far apart as they can, wearing masks which will reduce the spread of droplets. >> reporter: is six feet enough? new computer model suggests it may not be. engineering professor study in "physics of fluids" now light breeze could carry droplets up to 18 feet. >> any data is important to consider. we're gathering data in realtime to understand what we're doing today and tomorrow. >> reporter: still isn't known how infectious the droplets would be when virus is present. >> outdoors, very, very small. >> reporter: what has been lab tested, how far droplets can disperse indoors. summer vacation, airports,

shopping malls, restaurants. normal breathing without a mask under highly sensitive light, no droplets, but when you speak, like a christmas tree. >> ironically one of the phrases that produces a large number of droplets is -- stay healthy. >> reporter: 12 feet. simple mask, far less. unfortunately for summer sports fans, epith fans, enthusiastic cheering can go farther. >> five-star hotel for the virus. >> reporter: cheering and high fives may defeat the effort for defeating the virus. that's the idea for empty stadium. >> it's like adult preschool. secretions and slobbering depending on what you buy.

people lose inhibitions, that's part of the joy of going to the stadium. >> reporter: not all is lost. dip in pool is still cool. according to cdc, no evidence the virus can spread through pool water. but self-distancing is still key. >> going to be coexisting with this virus for a long time. maybe forever. >> reporter: now erin, we're outside of the rose bowl in pasadena, this is the loop. there is walking and running, cycling. right now pretty quiet, people just getting off work. i was here when it started to get packed with people. they've closed off roads to try to make self-distancing easier for people. i'm wearing a mask, the rule in this city, if you can't self-distance, stay more than six feet away. and right now i could take it off but people keep walking by me. experts are telling people they're worried that this memorial day when people flock to places like this, there may

be more spread of the virus. to keep yourself and family safe, key to every epidemiologist and cdc said, self-distancing is the key. stay as far away from other people as you can, have one of these with you. erin. >> thank you very much. to emergency room physician, former baltimore city health commissioner and epidemiologist at school of public health. you heard a doctor saying everything we do has a risk attached to it. but when you look at those models, it's clear that distance makes a difference. masking makes a difference. what can people do? sure it's this weekend memorial day weekend but coming into summer, what do people do to reduce their risk? >> this is key. everything we do has some level

of risk but we can reduce it, take matters into our hands. three variables, proximity, variety and time. if you're going to be seeing friends, go outdoors, maybe in backyard, chairs six feet apart. don't hug or kiss, share utensils or plates. changing your activities, if you're going to crowded beach walk by, don't linger. time of exposure matters. we have to protect ourselves and everyone else around us too. >> simple questions to ask themselves before they go out. what are they? >> first think about your community, how much virus is spreading in your community, also assess your personal risk. are you more vulnerable to covid-19? then maybe you should think twice about going out. second i say think if this is something you need to do or

something you want to do. you need to take your child to get their vaccinations, you may need to seek emergency medical care. some of the other things may just be nice to do. as dr. nguyen said, have your mask, water bottle, hand sanitizer so you're prepared outside. social distance, try to keep groups small in size and if you're not feeling well, stay home. >> dr. nguyen, you heard dr. birx say can go to beaches if they stay six feet apart. is that realistic? six feet seems so arbitrary when you look at the simulation that we saw that showed projectile even when you talk can go so much farther than that. >> i think six feet is a good rule of thumb.

it's not like 5 1/2 feet you'll get the virus and 7 feet you're not. but six feet is good rule of thumb to keep in mind. at the beach if you see a lot of people there already, may be good to turn back, come back later when it's off peak. if you still want to go, safer to take a walk than linger there. and if you're going to be there with friends, continue to keep that six foot distance. if you have little kids, which i do, toddler. they can't abide by social distancing well so keep a careful eye on them too. >> doctor out of harvard concludes that warm weather alone won't control the virus. we anticipate could help. doesn't like humidity, we know that in terms of the half life. but research found that higher temperatures in phoenix could decrease rate of infections by 40%, maybe by 25% in warmer months in new york city.

that's something. every something matters. what do you see when it comes to the role of the weather? >> so we know some viruses do seem to decline in their spread in warmer weather. with this virus we're not seeing that as much. if you look at tropical climates, they're still having large outbreaks of covid-19, while the weather may slow the spread, it's not going to stop the spread. we have to encourage people to do all they can to prevent the spread of the virus. >> thank you both very much. we'll have more on that issue of tropical climates, look at brazil. breaking news, justice officials reminding people in los angeles that stay-at-home orders may be arbitrary and unlawful. brazil, second in world in coronavirus cases and it is warm and humid and sunny and tropical. we're in some of the hardest hit

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breaking news, justice department warning officials in los angeles their stay-at-home orders are quote arbitrary and heavy-handed. comes hours after task force's deborah birx expressed concerns about the conditions in l.a. this news just crossing. >> reporter: we have just reached out to the l.a. mayor as well as county and yet to hear

back. mayor eric garcetti is holding his briefing today. we're expecting and hoping he is going to be responding to this. what this is is a letter from department of justice, civil rights division. strongly worded letter saying that public remarks by mayor of los angeles and county public health director saying that restrictions might continue is that they are quote arbitrary and unlawful and that there is no pandemic exception to the u.s. constitution. department of justice going head-to-head with the mayor of the city as well as the public health director of county of los angeles. what are they concerned about? you mentioned it briefly, dr. birx talking about the numbers in los angeles. but there are rising numbers across this country. if you look at it from a state by state number, there are some trends i want to point out. want to pull up this map and look at it, multicolored map.

green, nine states, those numbers are down in the states. numbers are the weekly average of new cases. 24 states in yellow you see there, their numbers are holding steady. 17 states in red and orange, those numbers are going up. one of the states hardest hit is the state of arkansas where week to week their numbers are gone up 65%. so erin, these numbers are certainly showing that in some states as we get into memorial day weekend, beaches are opening, bars opening in texas, concerning in those states with the numbers going up. >> thank you very much. we're going to keep an eye on response from l.a. rise in casing we were just walking you through comes as experts warn of a second wave. is the united states ready? there's a lot of ways to answer

that question, treatments, hospital supplies. some experts warning we only have a few months to rebuild the national stockpile of supplies or risk another critical shortage. former top science adviser to president obama, he and eight other scientists are writing a letter to warn of this scenario. we hear the president saying they need ventilators and we have more than we need and giving away to other countries. i'm sure stockpiling those but you know what would be needed in second surge as bad as first. how dire is the situation right now? >> we're far short of what we need in the strategic national stockpile if there were to be a resurgence of the coronavirus in the fall. our group has been looking at that medium term and longer term problem. other groups have been focused on what needs to be done

immediately. and i would say that in terms of even immediate availability, the fact is that we are short of what we need, we're short in terms of personal protective equipment, we're short in terms of reagents and swabs and test kits. we are short of ventilators. if again we see a surge in the number of cases -- >> so we are short of ventilators if there's another surge? >> yeah. that is certainly what we believe. fact is although there has been a strategic national stockpile of equipment related to responding to a pandemic since 2002, it has been sadly neglected through now three

administrations. that have not done enough to replenish the supplies in that stockpile. it was built up gradually up until the time of the h1n1 epidemic in 2009, it was severely depleted during that swine flu epidemic and it's never been replenished to any substantial extent since then. >> let me ask you about that, you've shared warnings with trump officials to sound the alarm and they of course blame president obama. point to swine flu and h1n1, say he depleted t never refilled it. is it fair to point the finger? >> well, the first thing i would say is that finger pointing is not the most productive exercise at this moment. we ought to be looking at what we now need to do. second point i would make, even if it was all the obama

administration's fault, and i don't think it was, it was partly the fault of the congress, partly the inadequacy of budgets in the relevant agencies who couldn't figure out where to get the money to obey what was already in the law about building up and maintaining that stockpile. but fact is trump administration has been in office for three years and they haven't fixed it either. rather than blaming the last three administrations for failing to get this right, i think what we ought to be doing is looking forward, what do we need to do now. if there is a surge in fall we won't suffer the kinds of shortages that have plagued us in the current epidemic. >> hope those words are heeded and what you had to say is not what people expect to hear. appreciate your time. >> thank you very much. i appreciate being on. want to turn to breaking

news out of brazil, reporting a record 20,803 new cases over the last 24 hours. brazil, solidly tropical country, second only to united states in total cases. and deaths more than 21,000. many feel the worse is yet to come. nick paton walsh. >> reporter: brazil has always had the haves and have-nots but in sao paulo, coronavirus has the poor going at it more than ever alone. we follow emergency workers through the dense streets that fuel the fire they're fighting. this is the place that people don't want to live in but poverty means it's packed all the same. in densely packed alleyways you can tell the real risk of high infection rate. sickness means that kids must

look on at those who would care for them. renata says she tests only when patient has three symptoms and those are paid for by private donations. mostly done when the person is already in advanced stage of the disease. cases can be tough. one obese woman needed eight people to carry her to a ambulance and man with alzheimer's, we had to ask the family if we could physically remove him inrifrom his home. maria caught the disease despite being masked in the market. now distancing from up high. owner of the pharmacy died yesterday, many losing lives due to someone's carelessness. renata is part of a wide operation. medicine but masks too, teaching people how to make them and giving them machines to do it. also food. 10,000 meals a day sent out in small numbers into the community

because lockdown means they can't put food on their own tables. this is a community in some ways already isolated economically saving itself. they have a place where the sick are sent to isolate in a former school. we can't film patients inside. everything here is done at a distance. and says that the rest is yet to come. pretty likely these beds will sadly soon be full. school given to this purpose by the government but operation funded by private donations. bigger test here, how this amazing spirit of community holds up when the peak makes these streets seem even deadlier. you said brazil now in second place, vying with russia, whose numbers tomorrow may put them back. possibly exchanging that unenviable position in the days

ahead. still brazil has less cases than new york had confirmed because the tests are hard to come by. so often you need three symptoms to get one. likely the brazilian figure is not the entire picture in this country. numbers of dead, 1,000 a day commonly. 21,000 total at this point. that are known by the government here. and sadly while it's warm now, you said, tropical country, they're going in opposite direction, headed to autumn and winter and those seasons have accentuated the disease some think. combined with fear that government's advice, play this down, is accentuating the problem people are feeling day by day. erin. >> thank you very much. schools overseas requiring students to wear face masks, moving classes into the

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leisure markets, business and convention markets, you're still running down over 60%. more suburban locations down 40%. that's where the big push is going to come even next year, convention and business traveler market. casinos have opened up pretty good this week though. i guess people who want to gamble go gamble. >> on that front, you own the golden nugget hotels and casinos and point out couple of locations have reopened. obviously las vegas is still closed. nevada governor has target tate of june 4 to reopen. are you going to be fully ready to go to -- i mean, what's it going to look like? >> they're giving us all the guidelines now. they're going to do whatever it takes to protect the employee and take care of the customer. that's what we want. we want everybody to be safe.

sure didn't want to open any sooner until the medical directors felt like this was the right time. i think it's going to be fine. i think we'll do the social distancing right and everything will be good. i don't think anyone is opening unless they're ready. governor opened texas may 1st. here we opened 170 restaurants in texas in one weekend, and it's gone well. haven't heard of any employees or customers yet have a problem. >> you met with the president this week to discuss help for restaurants specifically. obviously we have all seen the incredible pain across this country for restaurant business, by and large small, individually owned. obviously yours, you have hundreds of them, and you think and told him you think there is need for program for bigger businesses like yours. explain why you think that help is necessary.

>> you want to take care of your employees and be able to pay your expenses. biggest thing is nobody did anything wrong here. it's a shame that a business is hurt. even more so, a shame that employee feels any pain whatsoever. and that's why i do like what the government's done so far, kicked in the extra $600 for every employee because you do want them taken care of. this is just a tragic event for everybody and want everybody to survive it. but you have to keep pushing it. you always need more. >> you known the houston rockets, obviously we don't know when the nba will return. nascar has resumed races. this weekend a charity golf event with tiger woods, phil mickelson, tom brady. when do you think sports with physical contact are going to return? >> starting to look like july

for everybody. truly exciting. even without fans there. could have taken these men and lot of women and were fine staying home if they had sports. but we didn't have any. amazing how we've found things to do, and great for movie watching but i think we're all ready for sports now, erin. >> tillman, i appreciate your time. thank you very much. >> thank you. basketball legend patrick ewing has tested positive for coronavirus. words of warning, bob costas my guest.

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breaking news, georgetown university's men's basketball coach and former new york knick star patrick ewing has coronavirus. statement saying this virus is serious and should not be taken lightly. i'll get through this. he's in the hospital. bob costas. thanks for being with me. >> hi. >> georgetown said ewing went public to show the virus can affect anyone. he's in hospital, serious case here. what's your reaction? >> i don't know anything more than news reports.

relatively appreciate information. if we don't know by now anybody can get this -- even in mind's eye patrick ewing is young athlete, he's now a middle-aged coach. falls partially on the fall of those most demographically at risk. shouldn't be surprised by this. but i'm sure patrick is receiving good care and more than likely will recover and return to his duty. >> we saw on "the last dance," everybody talking about it, ewing was one of michael jordan's top rivals in nba. lot of people watched this series. what do you think it meant? captured the hearts of people. for sports fans in the middle of the pandemic. >> i think it would have been compelling, interesting and highly rated under any circumstances. but coming as it did with no

other original sports content to speak of it was all the more welcome to sports fans. michael jordan and story of the bulls in the '90s. golden era, dream team, marketing, nba on nbc, my bias, but wasn't on cable tv as it is now, on nbc with promos on the "friends" and "cheers" and "er," david letterman, and jordan was almost unique in way he transcended sports. people who wouldn't know a pick and roll from three-pointer wanted to watch. and that game where they clinched final title is by far most -- in nba. >> heard saying sports could be

back. major league baseball looking to start a shortened season in july and mlb owners, there's issue of salaries, revenue split. guy in tampa wanted more money. former manager buck showalter said i know one thing, fans don't want the players to say i don't want to play for this pay cut, i would tell my friends to shut up. >> what do you think of the fight with the players, risk to them. sport that fans have connection to. >> buck is right, no matter what disputes that have to be worked out. public proclamations don't do individuals any good or game and business of baseball any good. they hope they can come back july 4th, would be symbolism on that, national pastime returns

on fourth of july. and they've put out meticulous document how to do that. as baseball fan, hopes that baseball can come back and play part of a season and have world series. but if you need 67-page document that takes into account every particular, pitcher and catcher handle the ball, anybody else, throw it out-of-play. people in stands, not dugout. don't take a shower in the locker room. go home. if all this is necessary, it's a tight rope walk. can they get from one end to the other by october or november? hope so but it's tough. >> all right. bob, thank you so much. great to see you, thanks for your time. >> thank you. all right. >> bob costas, the one and only. thanks to him and all of you for

joining us. have a safe memorial day weekend. time for "cuomo prime time." >> i am chris cuomo, welcome to "prime time." we see a country struggling with any degree of commitment to fight what our leaders all call a war against this pandemic. virus is making a resurgence and president instead of dealing with what he says is a war is intent to divide us in distraction of holy war, ordering churches open. look, the law is clear. trump has zero power to override governors on reopening houses of worship. no governor wants to keep churches or any place of worship closed. we have a governor tonight from his own party who strongly advised against filling places