joining us. have a safe memorial day weekend. time for "cuomo prime time." >> i am chris cuomo, welcome to "prime time." we see a country struggling with any degree of commitment to fight what our leaders all call a war against this pandemic. virus is making a resurgence and president instead of dealing with what he says is a war is intent to divide us in distraction of holy war, ordering churches open. look, the law is clear. trump has zero power to override governors on reopening houses of worship. no governor wants to keep churches or any place of worship closed. we have a governor tonight from his own party who strongly advised against filling places

of prayer. so why did the president make the call to want this this way? what power does he have? what does he think this will do for the rest of us? more importantly, why aren't we focusing on what he should be doing for the rest of us? where is the testing? where is the tracing? where is the effort he puts into division about going to church about making a plan to fight this virus? we're still waiting as we head into this holiday of remembrance of those who made the ultimate sacrifice, we have to ask ourselves -- are we really fighting this war as best we can? let's get after it. you're either on the side of liquor stores or god, this president laying out a ludicrously false choice today. >> some governors have deemed liquor stores and abortion

clinics as essential but have left out churches and other houses of worship. it's not right. i'm correcting this injustice in calling houses of worship essential. i call upon governors to allow our churches and places of worship to open right now. >> forget about whether or not he has the right. it's his saying it right there, even right to do? when is last time you saw him coming out of services by the way? why is it so important to him now? i wonder if it has anything to do with the politics of division. basic questions, what would have kept places of worship closed? if you're catholic, heard it from the churches themselves. we got to find out safest way to do it. they discouraged us from coming early on and encouraged

teleservices. safest. puts himself in cloak of righteousness, told me he gets audited so much maybe because he's a christian. instead of staying to ask questions. left to kayleigh mcenany to paint any who question this situation as anti-god. >> interesting to be in a room that seems to want them to stay closed. >> i object to that, i go to church, i'm dying to go back to church. question we're squing you and would have liked to ask president and dr. birx, is it safe? >> she went into backup mode. see the game they're playing. don't want to focus on what they need to do but distract you with ugliest things. accusing people who ask about safety to be anti-god, want churches closed? is that where we are now? here are the facts?

trump can't order churches open. he shouldn't be naranyway, that making it about religion. true faith is in one another to keep ourselves and others safe. he didn't put the rules to keep people safe and he can't lift them period. no matter how many times he'll say i'll override this, lift that. >> i can override the governors. i have ultimate authority. >> he says it, he's never been right. government's ability to enforce applicable prohibitions of harmful social conduct like ability to carry out other public policy can't depend on measuring the effects of a governmental action on religious -- what does that mean? can't prevent houses of worship

from doing what secular place of business does. got to let them all do the same things as organizations. if you want to close down businesses, you can close down churches same way. but can't just do churches if not anybody else. shows how much time president spends in church pew if he thinks liquor stores or abortion clinics are comparable to churches in any way under the law. no liberal saying as long as it's the same, it's okay. while we're at it, hardware store, restaurant serving takeout, a theater, those you have to treat them one way, and can treat houses of worship that way. they're still closed most places. why? science. if anything, you see places of worship getting deference that other businesses are not.

example after example after example. worshippers are doing exactly what this president is demanding, only to have it end in death. all right? god is not going to protect you from making stupid choices. that's not how it works. that's not how faith works. that's not how the practice of faith works and most importantly shouldn't be how america works. we do not have the time, the strength to be tearing each other down and creating a dividing line on the basis of faith and who is anti-god. what self-respecting christian would even try to draw that line which is anathema to jesus' message. i give trump a break, he's not a man of faith. no indication he's living his faith. never seen him walking out of service. those around him wear crucifixes and say faith is most important thing, do the same as all sinners need to do, live your faith. most are trying to deal with our

flaws. believe in something bigger than ourselves because we need to and reflect that by how we live our lives. don't use it as weapon. use it as tool to make yourself better. don't divide people, don't be ugly, not on that level and now as we enter memorial day weekend and need to be reminding each other what sacrifice looks like. true holy act, gave their lives. we're not even willing to wear masks. just so you understand how this works. one pastor whose family shared heartbreak about this. i believe god will protect us, should meet. didn't know the truth, wasn't getting good information. cost him his life. remember this? >> it's been very difficult to be able to grieve or even think about all that this means for our new normal because we're all trying to just heal. we have kids, try to stay strong

for our kids. really don't know. it's just been almost like a daydream. >> i criticize no man or woman for taking risks to practice their faith, believe in it. i get it. for many that risk is sometimes a function of their faith. and that pastor took precautions. one that sounds a lot like the new guidelines from the cdc. maintaining social distancing, making sure people with symptoms stay home, encouraging that. not sharing things like religious books. for catholics, no wine right now in terms of the blood and wine, transubstantiation rite so important to us. no hugging or handshakes. my favorite part of mass is sign of peace. can't do it. another example where we've seen the rules followed, community choir in washington state did all that in early march. four days later 45 of the 60

choir members were infected. two died. is this really about making it okay? being fair? rewarding people of faith? no. it's about division and politics. white christians are not the majority in america yet religion is a big factor for huge chunk of republican voters. that's what this is about for trump. if you don't want to believe it, fine, give me a better reason. show me what it's about for him, how it's consistent with anything he's done around faith or anything else. it's telling how faithful are responding to bull horn from the bs pulley pupit. southern baptist conference is pleased. islamic relations slammed the idea. this president knows he doesn't have the power to follow throughthrough any more than he can take away

money congress allocated because he doesn't like the way states are using it. also knows anything i'm saying right now doesn't mean a damn to his base. just like when he threatened governors with liberating their states or people spitting in face of the police were good people. or when he puffed up his chest to make a stink about mail-in voting. he knows it's all about being a demagogue. don't waste the time of labelling him a bigot. it's not worth the time. not going to change minds on that basis and he's arguably something worse. a bigot, prejudiced, what is that usually about? ignorance, people raised a certain way, uneducated. or maybe evil. but worse than that, someone who knows it's not true but know it's powerful and if you use it you'll play on someone's animus,

prejudice and outrage and they'll follow you. that's a demagogue and what we have to beware of today, what you saw today. president is making the assumption that governors want to keep you away from the pews. that's not the status in lot of states. already open and have to follow the rules same as other businesses. governors from both sides believe it. may the legacy of any of your loved ones who died in service to this country be remembered. thank your family for service and sacrifice. places of worship are open in ohio, they follow the guidelines you put forward for doing it safely, right? >> you know, chris. what we did -- first start by saying my dad was in world war ii. >> i know. >> grandfathers in world war i,

and fran's uncle died in korea. this is an important weekend. for this country, memorial day. appropriate that you remember and we all remember. >> and i knew about your family's involvement and sacrifice and generational commitment, why i brought it up to you. many families like you in this country and it is a solemn occasion. >> and we appreciate it very much. >> this is not news for you. trump is not talking to you. places of worship are open in your state but didn't do it as religious move but balanced move of how you want people to come together safely. >> actually, chris, what we did, we exempted religious services, funerals, weddings, from any orders but we also were very careful and said please be very, very careful.

and recommended that churches try to do it virtually and other ways. and we had amazing pastors and rabbis, people just did amazing things. they did use the telecommunication, some did drive-in church, like drive-in theater, used theater to do it. people have been very responsible in how they've done it. you're starting to see now catholic church for example has announced they will be starting to go back, but it's -- starting to open the churches again. but it's important people be careful before, very careful now. as i've talked about this, as we're opening up, danger is very much out there. we want people to be very careful, do the distance. if you're sick, don't go to church. if you're older, think about not

going, watching on tv. you know. we have a catholic priest friend of ours we work with in haiti, tom hagen, he's doing masses and people from all over the country who have worked with him go in and feel like we're participating. >> he's a pacifist? isn't he? >> he's down in port au prince, haiti. >> i know him from haiti and i'm joking because of the affiliation of the passionists down there who do their mass. as priest said last mass i went to, you don't need me to tell you you're your brother's keeper. part of the faith, what you're

supposed to do is keep people safe around you. people of faith should be last person you have to have this discussion with. i appreciate you talking about how it shouldn't be political issue. what is political issue is how you deal with the vulnerable in your state. nursing homes are not a unique problem for ohio. every state that's been hit, their nursing homes and elder care is hot zone. started in washington, first place we saw an outbreak of meaningful cluster was elder care facility. true with your state as well. 68% of total coronavirus deaths in ohio are from long-term facilities. covid-19. so you have a unique way to deal with the testing. because it's too hard. too many people to test, hard to test that often. you brought in the national guard. little bit of a risky move, whenever you bring in the national guard. why was it the right move?

>> we wanted to move. and we finally have reached a point where we don't have enough tests but testing capacity is up significantly. capacity is about 18,000. now getting about 9,000 actual tests. one day got 10,000 but want to push that up. we just looked at this and said where can we save the most lives. and as you just pointed out gut-wrenching statistics of how many people have died in nursing homes, so trying to do two things. slow the community spread, get one-to-one ratio, one infecting somebody else. we were at two-to-one, but now one-to-one and got to keep it at least there. by also want to go into the nursing homes, kick that in hard next week. we're going to be testing the staff because we think that's a good place to start.

we're also going to let the clinicians and doctors when they go into that nursing home make the decision how many of the -- how many of the folks who live there should be tested as well. we're going to start -- had 350 nursing homes have a history -- sometime last two months -- of having covid-19 in there. start with those 350 and expand. probably take a month to get all the way through. but general harris who heads up our national guard has been great. 14 teams ready to go. also working with local hospitals. each hospital in the state -- hospitals have taken over the nursing homes. every nursing home has a hospital that's their partner, they're going to partner with us in regard to the tests as well. trying to go where we're the most vulnerable and where we think we can save the most

lives. >> right. it's not easy. people are scared. they're dissatisfied, say it took too long, part of being in leadership in state dealing with covid-19. we're watching your efforts. and unlike federal level when you make a move, spending time to figure out how to do it safely and explain it to your population. governor mike dewine, you'll always have a platform on this show. god bless. >> thank you. >> meaning of the weekend motivates all of us to honor sacrifice and commitment, what better way than taking care of what you do with yourself and others. more science tonight. president has put something out there gaining in popularity and it has to be vetted. science is not there. there is no magic pill.

listen. >> if things don't go as planned, it's not going to kill anybody. what do you have to lose? take it. >> what you lose is the argument if you say what the president said in the face of anybody who knows science. some patients could lose their lives by being treated with hydroxychloroquine. now is that a counter political argument? no, it is one of the understandings from the largest study to date on its effects. we have one of the lead researchers, this person has every reason to want the drug to work. that's why they tested it. what is the reality? next.

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the largest study to date of its kind nows that hydroxychloroquine does more bad than good for coronavirus patients. the president is not saying that, but the president does not know what he's talking about when it comes to science. what he is doing is making you believe that covid is not that bad. there's a pill you can take to help you. don't really need a mask. death tolls aren't what they thought they'd be. all part of a pitch. he believes longer we stay closed, worse it is for him. so covid has to go, science and facts be damned. now findings in "lancet" medical journal, nearly 700 hospitals, six continents and 15,000 patients. president claims to be on the drug.

i don't like that, nothing to do with politics. we have one president and need him to be at his best. dr. birx of the white house task force responded to the study this way. >> i think the fda has been very clear on their website about their concerns about hydroxychloroquine, particularly when it's combined with a mac u mac you'll light. for prove laxis in controlled studies in hospital. but i hope everybody looks at comorbidities. >> seems to me she's trying to tamp this down. i understand, she's in a tough position. bring in one of the lead researchers of the study. thanks for being on "prime

time." help me describe everything you're about to say as if you're talking to a seven-year-old, because it gets really confusing really fast. even what dr. birx said. i followed through there's still studies going on, let's not rush to judgment. hope they're looking at comorbidity. meaning already sick, probably going to die anyway. what is your sense about what people should do where this drug is involved based on the research? >> first of all, thanks for having me here tonight. let's keep it simple, pretend i'm talking to one of my kids. message is that covid-19 is a deadly illness, haven't seen anything like this in 100 years since the 1918 flu which killed 50 million people. desperate times, people are scared and looking for solutions. hydroxychloroquine when combined

with -- >> what is it? >> antibiotics, azithromycin, the danger is rhythm in the heart that could kill you goes up in risk as well. risk of death goes up almost twofold in combinations. >> if you take it alone, are you good? haven't heard that the president is taking z-pack or anything like that. if you're just taking hydroxychloroquine, is there nothing to lose? >> i would hesitate to say that. this largest study to date on covid-19 and cloroquine. what we can tell you to certain degree of certainty, if you're taking cloroquine, hydroxychloroquine, an plus antibiotic in the hospital, doesn't have the effect you want. >> if you take it before you

have symptoms may keep you from getting too sick or sick at all, any basis for what you just said? >> great point. this is the 21st century. would like to think we live in data-driven world. that's the approach we've taken for this study. this is the difference between the pandemic today and the one 100 years ago. before we start making claims on medications that work or don't, let science do its job, data drive the discussion. >> any data suggest that taking it before you're sick keep you from getting sick? >> not yet. we need the same rigor, high bar we reached with this study and with the kjournals. before we can say one way or another whether it works. >> one last question. you and i have both heard people

say they took this and had helped and they know people who took it and helped. people don't want hydroxychloroquine to work because they want covid to keep going, people like you. spinning data to make people not do things that will get us past covid sooner. how do you answer that allegation? >> great point. i would say don't take my word for it. go to the literature and science. study, 96,000 patients across six continents participated in the study. numbers are black and white. they don't lie. we did a pretty advanced statistical analysis, looking at the patients and sliced and diced it a dozen ways. same results. cloroquine and hydroxychloroquine for someone in hospital with covid-19, probably not next best step for that patient. >> best to you and your family.

thanks for explaining this. >> you pick your forums for news for what you want. when i was sick, would try anything. if i hadn't been warned off this drug, number of clinicians, many of whom support the president saying i don't know it's going to help you, not worth the risk, try other things, i would have tried it too. i would have taken anything. i don't know what i was taking. i was desperate, i get it, i don't want anybody to do anything to hurt themselves. that's it. first court appearance for third suspect arrested in arbery murder case. prosecutors believe the man who recorded the killing was in on it, william roddy brian. they have the burden of proof but now the lawyer is trying to paint him as a victim. how? analysis is widening, as is the investigation and what we understand. next. (bell rings) when heartburn hits

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very quickly. thank you so much for all the messages. yes, i'm sweaty, no, not sick. thank you, bless you for asking me. it's nice. it's hot in the room. they're lowering it. can't thank you enough for how much you look after me, concerned about me and my family. i hear you, appreciate you. drives me in a way i never thought i would be driven to do this job as well as i can for you. part of that is talking about the situation in georgia. william roddie bryan jr. recorded the video in the ahmaud arbery case. made first appearance in court today. murder charges. also criminal intent to commit false imprisonment. what that means is what

mcmichaels said in initial statement that roddie tried to head off arbery in his car, that's what it speaks to. attorney maintains he committed no crime. georgia bureau of investigation took bryan into custody and pushing back hard. >> if we believed he was a witness, we wouldn't have arrested him. there's probable cause, we're comfortable with that. >> joey jackson is here. we invited mr. bryan's attorney on again, the invitation is open. he denied. first is gbi telling the truth? if they think somebody is witness and nothing to do with the crime, do they never arrest those people? >> generally how it's supposed to work, chris. good evening to you. they don't appear to have a dog in the fight. gbi, georgia bureau of investigations was brought in because they're not local to the case. remember rekusal of three

separate district attorneys before we got where we are now. outside entity investigating is good step. i think question is left to court of law but they believe there's probable cause, reason to believe he was involved other than mere bystander who recorded the tape. in the event that's true and he did try to detain ahmaud arbery against his will and participated and aided and abetted, he'll be held accountable. this is the first step, announcing charges, appear in court, trial next. >> bad facts and circumstances for roddie, one the mcmichaels, two accused people in this case -- two of the three now -- mention him there. say he was part of it. bad fact for him. second is that mcmichael released the video that roddie took but roddie and his lawyer, through his lawyer said he didn't know them.

if you don't know them, how did they get your video? bad facts. but felony murder, how do you charge the guy who took the video with felony murder when he wasn't in on the shootings as far as we know? >> you don't have to be in on the shootings. be clear about something. under our law, person who aids, abets, encourages or otherwise involved is equally responsible to person who pulled the trigger. you know the classical example, robbing the bank, you're in the getaway car watching the neighborhood, somebody else robs the bank and shoots and kills somebody, you're responsible. i think that's the argument here. be clear about a couple of things. what is felony murder? in the event that someone dies while you're committing a felony, even if you don't mean them to die, it's felony murder. what's the felony? we all have the freedom of

movement. trying to detain me against my will, that's false imprisonment, underlying felony. someone died as result of your behavior, the warrant describes that he apparently, roddie, bryan, was blocking arbery in for 20 minutes to contain him. false imprisonment felony, he died, hence felony murder. >> from what you understand, what do you still need to know and what will this case pivot on? >> number of things. we have to make clear that the defense will argue that mere presence is not enough. everyone should know you can video tape something that occurs. crime in progress, that's not a crime. you can look at it, determine what happened. however, in the event that you go beyond video taping and you know -- what do we know in this case? whether or not he knew the mcmichaels i, i want to know. what was the nature of the

relationship? did they plan to do anything with ahmaud arbery, was he asked to participate to block arbery in? did he engage or otherwise participate in blocking him in? to the extent he might have been involved, conduct, over period of time, what specifically did he do, those are the questions that will get him convicted if he's guilty. if he's merely present, it will not. if he actively participated, world of hurt. >> wider implication of what the gbi thinks it has against the principal defendants, a hint. >> we have accumulated a number of pieces of video in the case. not going to speak specifically what we took from him, eventually that will come out in court of law. suffice it to say, number of pieces of video helped us get to this point. >> i don't think tlhey're talkig about surveillance videos but

what we've heard from the beginning, there's more video than just the one we've seen of the incident. is that what you take from that statement? what might they be looking for in other pieces of video? >> to be clear first might be many out there saying if it wasn't for him coming up with the video, would we be in this place? that's true but don't get brownie points in epigauging in crime and producing a video that establishes the crime. number one. number two, what they're looking for, other pieces of video may demonstrate when it began, what roddie bryan was specifically doing, how many times did he block him in, what is his knowledge of arbery, did he rye to detain him, what as the interaction with mcmichaels, all could be answered by video. we're in technological world. we know in the video we see, other people looking, other

video, and home systems of surveillance may play into the facts. we want to know who was doing what and when, who participated and how, and will get you ultimately to conviction in the event you're guilty in pursuing ahmaud arbery and the circumstances and facts that led to his death. >> thank you brother, appreciate it. >> always. my next guest, stay in court environment here, she's leveling a lot of allegations about the covid fight in florida. former state department of health official is claiming she lost her job after being asked to manipulate data used in florida's plan to lift stay-at-home orders. governor ron desantis has been public in his criticism of her. she is here to make her case. exclusive interview next. [squeaky shopping cart]

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florida's governor and state health officials are condemning accusations that they tried to censor public health data on covid-19. the controversy was ignited by claims and emails from state health employee rebecca jones. jones says she spearheaded the launch of florida's covid-19 data portal. she says she was fired after she was quote asked to manipulate, delete and hide data, and refused to do so. jones provided cnn an email she sent to her former colleagues on may 15th reads in part my office is no longer managing the covid dashboard, i would not expect the new team to continue the same level of accessibility and transparence. this was dynamite for the

situation. rebecca jones joins us now. thanks for taking the opportunity. >> thanks for having me. >> do me two favors, keep it out of the weeds because data gets dense fast. and name no names because i haven't had chance to get responses from all the players. >> understood. >> so the simple question is, what exactly were you asked to do that was so unusual and improper, and in your opinion wrong. >> well, the first time i was asked to do something improper was in april. and when i was brought basically what the results of whether or not each county could open to superiors they essentially told me they did not like the results. the results -- >> how so? what didn't they like? >> the results didn't match the report for reopening that had already been written, basically

saying that a lot of rural counties because of a wide range of reasons didn't meet the criteria that the state had outlined in order to qualify for reopening. whereas some more populated counties did meet that criteria. and i was told that specifically -- this is a quote -- we can't tell jackson and franklin county they can't reopen but broward and miami-dade can. >> let's stop there for a second, we'll give it to people in chucks, okay? >> all right. >> what they say, no, this is just about dates and different ways of organizing data, we do this all the time. wasn't about hiding anything because everything came out, and in fact it's still available now. if the data is available, we never wanted it deleted or hidden, so we did nothing improper. why are they wrong?

>> they're lying because asking me to delete data and hide information and make it publicly inaccessible was a bad decision. it was a wrong decision that i stated very i did not agree with. i actually referred to it as being the wrong call. we had really built our reputation in florida and made my dashboard famous across the whole country and each the world because we're transparent and we were honest about what our data was and what it meant. if there was an issue with the data integrity they would have never put it back, but they did as soon as they started to get calls saying, why is it the same day the press asked you about this information do you decide to delete it and pull all the information down from the website? >> so, wait, they're making the opposite argument, just to make it clear. they're saying we never deleted it. that's how we were able to put it back. they disagree with you why it was put back. they say it wasn't because the

media was asking, they were just organizing the data differently and they have 100 very deep reasons that i don't get and neither will anybody else, but they say it was never deleted, so we never asked you to delete it or you just decided not to delete it because it was never deleted so we are okay. >> it was absolutely deleted, and it and public record it was deleted. the data did go down. to broke all of the links across our department of emergency management website, our own department of health website as soon as it went down. i have the email records ordering me to take it down. as i said, i replied this is the wrong call and immediately replied after that that it was down and that was it. about an hour later i was told to put some of the data back but not all of it, and the next day i was told to return all of the data in the exact same form that it had been published the day before that for weeks before that period of time. >> so when you say deleted, it was still something you were able to recall. that winds up being one of the

points of discrepancy. >> yes. >> so their second point of pushback was, by the way, we have nothing to hide because we're doing great. we're ahead of georgia. we're ahead of texas. our numbers are out there. desantis was late in the game in terms of opening back up. so we weren't trying to force anything. we were late in reopening and we're doing better than anybody else, and the nobody's show it, so why would we hide them? >> we are doing well. we are doing much better than a lot of other states and certainly much better than a lot of people expected florida to do, considering we had spring break open and, you know, as you said were late to the game. that is something i've defended and championed for the governor and our health department the entire time i was working on this project, was how well we were doing. but now it's impossible to know how reliable that data is because they changed the way the data's calculated. they changed the way they record the data and how they publish it and data continues to go missing from the website when the dashboard now crashes all the

time. >> how do you know -- so explain this to us as nonstatistician, nonquantitative people. one, how can you explain that they are doing data in the wrong way, which is a deceptive way? >> right. >> and how can you prove that they do it for bad faith and not just a good faith dispute about how to process the data? >> so, when i offered good faith statistical methods to account for rural counties because of yes or no this county meets this criteria is a little strict. i offered to do a couple of different statistical methods. my background is in climatology. averaging things out with variability to distinguish trends is kind of our bread and butter and they said no. they said they were going to exempt counties with a population of less than 75,000 entirely from the criteria that would be applied to every other county, and then they decided to

change the way that they calculated the number of positive or the percent positive of people and changed it to new cases over total tests per day. >> why does that matter? >> which is also deceptive. >> why is it deceptive? >> so, let's say i give you 100 apples, right, and 50 are rotten, and i ask you what percent are rotten. you'd say 50%. if i then tell you that 30 were rotten yesterday, 10 were rotten two days before that, 5 or almost completely rotten but not quite and i've cut the other 50 nonroten apples into hundreds of tiny little pieces, what percent of the apples are rotten? it's still 50%. >> it's still 50%. >> 50. yeah, you've just made it extremely complicated and con convoluted. it had to be below 10% and decreasing for tweebs. so normally when people think of percent, they think the number

of positive people divided by the number of people tested. that seemed honest and fair. they changed to number of new cases per day over the number of negative tests per day. so if you decide you want to get tested five times today, you count five times towards the negative if those are all your results. >> and that's the way it still is? is that still true? >> yes. >> all right. last thing -- >> it's still how they're referring to positivity. >> here's what they say. forget about the numbers. we're doing great on the numbers. we don't care what she says. i'll tell you what we care about, her. she didn't like how this was going and she handled it badly. here's the response from the florida department of health. rebecca jones exhibited a repeated course of insubordination during her time with the department, including her unilateral decisions to modify the covid-19 dashboard without approval from the epidemiological team or her supervisors. the blatant disrespect for the

professionals working around the clock to provide important information to the covid-19 website was harmful to the team. led the department to determine that it was best to terminate her employment. in other words, you got a tude problem. you didn't like what they told you, so you handled it badly. do you accept the criticism? >> some of it, yes, if refusing to mislead the public during a health crisis is insubordination then i will wear that badge with honor, yes. >> the way you wanted to do it and the way they wanted to do it aren't equal in the eyes of experts? >> no. none of the methodology that i was being asked to apply, which really wasn't based on any statistically sound methodology at all, wasn't science. they were asking me to manually go in and type yes or no without any real risk assessment as to whether or not that county should. there may be plenty of rural counties that were perfectly safe to reopen that we will never know because the numbers

were manipulated. >> what's your next move? >> well, i -- as you've heard, i'm out of the job. so i'd like to get back to doing what i love. >> would you want to go back there? >> which is helping people. no, not unless there is a change in leadership. no. >> so you got to figure out what you do next. rebecca jones, i know a lot of this stuff is convoluted. i know this has been very hard for you to be in the spotlight. there are a lot of big accusations coming your way, so thank you for taking this opportunity to help us understand what this is about and what it means for the people of florida. thank you. >> thank you for letting me talk. >> we'll be right back. it only takes a second for an everyday item to become dangerous. tide pods child-guard pack helps keep your laundry pacs in a safe place and your child safer. to close, twist until it clicks. tide pods child-guard packaging.

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