♪ a holiday weekend in the new normal and the new demand from an anxious president. >> i call upon governors to allow our churches and places of worship to open right now. if they don't do it, i will override the governors. battleground michigan gets a visit and an inaccurate complaint. >> mail-in ballots are a dangerous thing. they're subject to massive fraud. >> we have to take politics out of this crisis moment and remember we're all americans. in a race for a vaccine,

reports of progress. >> this is very preliminary data. it's all science by press release. ♪ welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm john king in washington. thank you for sharing our sunday. our new normal is getting a test this weekend as we mark a national holiday. memorial day, like everything, is different in the age of coronavirus. the "new york times" today, for example, dedicating its sunday front page to those lost in this very different war. the ceremonies at cemeteries are being scaled back or spaced out, the parades too. the beaches are crowded. you can judge for yourself whether these scenes meet the new test of social distancing. president trump hit the golf course for the first time since early march. the secret service agents wearing masks, the president and his partners were not. he plans to travel to florida on

friday. the schedule is his message. the reopening is irreversible. >> people say that's a distinct possibility, it's standard. we're going to put out the fires. there could be -- whether it's an ember or a flame, we're going to put it out. we're not closing our country. >> combat is a trump trademark. this past week was rich with skirmishes. one was with three democratic women who old office in michigan. first, the question of church and states. >> some governors are deemed liquor stores and abortion clinics as essential but have left out houses of worship. the governors need to do the right thing and allow these very important essential places of faith to open right now. for this weekend, if they don't do it, i will override the

governors. >> the president has no power to override the governors. each has a reopen plan for worship and for everything else and none rush to change it because of the president's bluster. >> starting on may 27th, places of worship may open at 25% occupancy if they adhere to social distancing and other guidelines to keep congregants safe. >> we're not ready. that would be reckless. they're not ready. >> we look forward to churches reopening in a safe and responsible manner. >> the most important thing is we do not what parishioners get ill because their faith leaders bring them together. >> it suggest it is president's push is more about evangelicals in the november election. 30 states are open for worship. 17 more plus the district of columbia are open with restrictions. the former governor of massachusetts deval patrick

joins us today. governor, it's good to see you, thank you for sharing your sunday. i want to get to the point of fairness. it's a fairness issue, a civil rights issue. the president touched on it and some states pushing. this is from the upper midwest law center, while no more than ten attendees are permitted, it allows all retail businesses to open as long as their capacity is under 50%. address that. if you are allowed to go to the home depot or walmart or mall of america, why can't you go to church? >> first of all, the constitutional question goes without saying that religious freedom is the central part of our democracy and a sacred part from a civil point of view. but any constitutional freedom

can be enfringed where there's a compelling public interest. in this case, it is the safety of communities. you heard and you reported that governors are permitting churches and other houses of worship to open provided they operate within safety guidelines. and to me, this is a classic trump stunt, right? it touches on a little bit of the nerve, the truth we are all feeling about wanting to be back in church, wanting to be back in community, but it's also revealing. it's not about our safety. he just doesn't care about that. >> to your point, this will go through the courts in some places and the ninth circuit court of appeals in california, two to one decision, did support governor newsom saying standards should not be applied. we're dealing with a highly contagious disease for which there is no known cure.

this court, other courts might disagree, this court backing the governor. we've seen this before when the president says i alone, i have sole authority. i will tell the governors what to do. he can't. >> right. that is right. you know as long as we have respect for constitutional democracy, both in the white house and in the courts, it may be that this president is counting on a majority of his -- of the, you know, right wing, if you will, on the supreme court. what a shame to go to that length when governors have said that houses of worship just like retail associations can open within guidelines and should within guidelines. but more to the point, we're talking about law. for the faithful, my own faith tradition teaches me when two or three are gathered together, so will i be, says our gospel.

we don't need the building. what we need is what we hunger for as people of faith and as human beings is community. and i totally understand that. >> you call the president's move a stunt and it does seem more aimed at november than this sunday, if you will. i want to ask you about something else, you ran briefly for the democratic nomination for president, joe biden is the nominee now. the trump campaign trying to make a big deal out of this. >> it's a long way until november. we got more questions. >> you got more questions. if you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or trump, and you ain't black. >> it has nothing to do with trump. it has to do with the fact that i want something for my community -- >> take a look at my record, man. i extended the voting act 25 years. i have a record that is second to none. >> if you could get on the phone with the former vice president, what did you tell him? he said it was flip, cavalier.

you know what happened in 2016 with turnout in key areas of african-americans, how bad of a mistake was that? >> well, look, i think he has apologized and he should have apologized. it was like one of those jokes that just falls flat. but i think the point that the host was trying to make is that the african-american vote should not be taken for granted, not by our nominee and not by any candidate. we should be asked, we should be talked with and to, we should be listened to and we should be appreciated as not a monolithic voting block but a reliable vote for democrats when our agenda is about lifting everyone and not being left at the margins. and i think joe biden understands this. historically, he has. >> we'll see how this one plays out. governor, appreciate your time. keep in touch. >> good to be with you. let's get a different perspective from rick santorum

who sought the republican presidential nomination in 2012 and 2016. let's start on the question of faith. you heard the governor's perspective, you heard the president in the briefing room on friday. it's a fact, if ythat in new yo kansas city, kansas, there have been outbreaks directly tied to group meetings at houses of worship. the question is, the president says, i will override the governors. he doesn't have that authority. aren't the governors protecting their citizens if they're being cautious here even if they may overreach to a degree. >> it's what you pointed out in your first question, which he artfully dodged and didn't answer, are you being treated the same as everybody else and the answer is no, they're not. they're being treated differently than home depot. the governor talked about constitutional liberties can be infringed with a need. the reality is that churches are being treated as nonessential. they're being treated

differently than other retail establishments and that's what i think most pastors and most people of faith who are concerned about this, they're saying it's not seen as important. it is about community. i'm a catholic. and for us, going to mass is an important part. it's an obligation. it's considered a mortal sin not to go to church on sunday. churches that -- the bishops have given dispensation for that but people want to go to search because they want to receive holy communion. it's important to us. and for governors to be very cavalier about this and sort of blow this off as not important, not essential, we are spiritual beings. we need to improve our homes and feed ourselves, but we need to nurture our spirit yalty. and the president has recognized

that. >> is it fair that she's thinking about -- he's a president running for re-election. this is not unique to him. 30 states are allowing worship. 17 other states and the district of columbia are allowing worship with restrictions. is the president declaring war when there's a much lower scale issue here? >> the restrictions are in most cases much more stringent upon places of faith than there are among commercial establishments, where you have people congregating and -- like i said, home depot, grocery stores, other places. the reality is that most churches, most pastors want to protect their people. i've talked to pastors and other folks going to church where they have assigned seating, spreading them out, they're doing things to make sure people are safe. no pastor wants to jeopardize his people and it's a matter of dignifying these places of worship, treating them fairly, treating them as this is an

important part of american life and i think the president is recognized it that most americans who are concerned about this don't feel that that's what's happening with most of these governors. >> i'm sorry i have to ask you this question. you mentioned the president comes in the briefing room friday, he wants churches reopened. i'm not going to show them to you because a lot of the words are reprehensible. then yesterday when jews would be celebrating shabbat, it's a very important part of the muslim calendar as well, the president of the united states retweeting a bunch of garbage, confusi accusing one of your colleagues of murder. if the message on friday is we need more grace in america, what was that? >> look, i'm not -- i've been on your show many times and not to defend the president's twitter and his what i think is, you know, poor behavior when it comes to how he deals with individuals that he disagrees

with. i think it's underdetermined his presidency. it's the reason his numbers are not in the mid to high 50s throughout what i believe is a very successful presidency and continues to plague him. i'm disappointed he does those things. and i'm not going to defend them. >> i wish he would stop there. senator, appreciate your time this sunday. next for us, we map out the reopening challenge and a few problem areas and as masks become a symbol of government overreach, another red versus blue divide. >> this is a -- i would say senseless dividing line and i would ask people to try to dial up your empathy and your understanding. if someone is wearing a mask, they're not doing it to represent what political party they're in or what candidates they support, they might be doing it because they have a 5-year-old child who has been

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if you're darker, that means your cases this week were higher than last week. 14 states an increase to 10% to 15%. 23 states holding steady. all 50 states are reopened, where are you in the arc, if you will. eight states headed in the right direction. you're moving around, all americans are moving around more now that your state is reopened. in these states that are beige, they're back to normal. it means mobility now is 0 to 3% different. movement right now is the same as it was or just a little bit down from a year ago. the darker states, most of them hardest hit by coronavirus, mobility still restricted to a degree, 10% more than a year ago. alabama is reopened. you see mobility dropped 17% from a year ago here. now alabama is back to normal.

2% less than last year. about the same as last year. here's the trend line in cases. alabama's case count is flat. there's been some concern in montgomery about icu beds. it's relatively flat. don't read into just one day, but we need to watch this. georgia has been a case study. you look here, this is the mobility question, it did drop, it was 26 below. key point, georgia now 4% mobility now compared to a year ago. almost back to normal, if you will. back to the old normal here in the state of georgia. you look at the case count, georgia has been flat. the question is, these recent days, is georgia heading back up or a little blip. follow the red line more than the yellow lines. georgia has been flat. the governor saying a lot of people thought this wouldn't work. georgia, in his view, a success story. >> we just went out to lunch and had a great meal and we were able to do that because of what

the people of georgia have done and because of what you've done, we're now in a position to open up america again. and in that respect, georgia is leading the way. >> with us again this sunday, dr. megan ranney and dr. ashish jha, the director of harvard's global health institute. thank you for coming in on sunday. my question is are we in a better place this week than we are last week. i want to show you some numbers released by dr. birx at the white house, the coronavirus cases in the united states. we're going through a 50-state experiment. we need to look at every state. this is hospitalizations. hospitalizations headed down. as we reopen, does it stay down or start to go back up. if we could show the cases in the united states, there's no question, you're in a high level there, more than 20,000 new cases confirmed every day, but the line is flat and trending down. we're going through this reopening.

we've seen pictures of the beaches. this is a question mark. the white house saying it's safe to start getting out of your house. but the fda commissioner tweeting this, i remembered everyone that the coronavirus is not yet contained. it's up to every individual to protect themselves and their community, social distancing, handwashing, wearing masks. dr. jha, that tells me that the commissioner is looking at these pictures and getting a little nervous. >> good morning, john. and i'm feeling the same way. i think it's good for people to get outside. all of the evidence says that you're less likely to get infected outside than inside. but getting outside and getting back to normal are not exactly the same thing. and what we want to do, while we get outside, we have to maintain social distancing. i think it's very important for people to continue to wear masks when they're outside, especially if they're in any kind of of a larger group setting where they're going to be encountering

folks. i think we have to get very clear on our message. outside is good, but we can't get back to normal partly because we have so many cases and we can't afford another spike. >> and so, doctor, as you look through the metrics, when dr. birx was making the case that most of america is on a path of progress, he pointed out a few hot spots. listen. >> so even though washington has remained closed, l.a. has remained closed, chicago has remained closed, we see these ongoing cases and i ask the cdc and the cdc is working with the local areas in chicago and this area in l.a. to really understand where are these new cases coming from and what do we need to do to prevent them in the future. >> urban, suburban, density, what do you attribute these stubborn places where the curve is not going down as quickly as people would like? >> it's likely due to a few

things. urban areas with high density, high rates of public transportation, it's much more difficult to socially distance. also, areas where people are coming in or where there are persistent areas of infection that we haven't yet managed to stop transmission. that's also part of it. but the worry that a lot of us have, we're been seeing these stories in the news and being reported in the cdc that all it takes is one or two people who are infectious to be in a closed space to create a new hot spot. although we're saying l.a., chicago, et cetera, right now, we're seeing new hot spots popping up across the country. without adequate testing that gets those people when they're asymptomatic and keeps them home, we're going to start seeing -- keep seeing new spots popping up across the country. >> you had one of those in arkansas the other day attributed to a pool party. there's one there. i want to put up some cdc numbers and i would ask each of them to weigh in.

35% of coronavirus infections are asymptomatic. that tells me, i better be careful when i go to the beach because the person next to me may look fine but be carrying the coronavirus. the death rate, 0.4%. some people would argue, this is horrible, this would be a couple of tough weeks, but it's not as fatal as we thought. let's reopen and get about our business. >> yeah, john, first of all, i think the asymptomatic spread number is right. i thought it might be slightly higher. but in that 30 to 50% of infections are happening from asymptomatic people. this is why we've been encouraging people to wear masks. that 0.4% number is puzzling to me. it's outside the scientific consensus. the scientific consensus hovers around 0.8%, twice as high. even if you take their 0.4%, i

don't understand where the cdc is getting that low rate. if we let this disease spread across the country unchecked, you're still going to have several hundred thousand more americans dying. so even in their very rosy scenario, it's an awful outcome. but i want the cdc to be a bit more realistic about what the numbers are likely to be. >> do you trust the numbers you're getting from your government? >> so this has been an incredibly frustrating few months for those of us in public health. the cdc has long been the international standard of collection of data, clear public health messaging. unfortunately that has been held up over the last few months during this pandemic. we just saw a report the other day that the cdc was combining two different sources of data about testing, people who have active infection and people who have already recovered from infection. that gives a lot of us pause and

a lot of the recommendations that are coming out are not coming out with full explanations or vague terms that make it really difficult for those of us on the front lines or for businesses or childcare centers or camps to know quite what to do. so, unfortunately, no, right now we're all feeling a little bit less trust of the national data. our state governments are doing as good of a job as they possibly can. >> we will continue the conversation. grateful for this sunday. we'll see you again. >> thank you. >> thank you. up next, a michigan trip to remember, the president ignores a rule requires masks and stokes fights with three predominant democratic women. 40%! safe drivers save 40%!!! that's safe drivers save 40%. it is, that's safe drivers save 40%. - he's right there. - it's him! safe drivers do save 40%. click or call for a quote today.

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michigan is on the president's mind a lot these days and in his twitter feed. he takes after governor gretchen whitmer pushing her to reopen the state. he had a spat with the secretary of state this week. she was happy to fact-check the person about michigan's voting practices. he attacked the state attorney general calling her whacky after she said she expected the president to follow the rules and where a mask whenever he was close to others. >> even at ford, it's their own policy. the president is like a child who refuses to follow the rules and i have to say, this is no joke. >> our next guest might feel a little bit left out, michigan's democratic lieutenant governor. i want to get your conversation, what is the conversation among michigan democrats. the state is critical to the president. we're in the middle of a

pandemic. one would think your governor, your secretary of state, your attorney general, all elected, all relatively popular, we know the president has a problem with women voters. you would think don't attack them, but he does. what is the conversation among michigan democrats about this? >> john, first of all, thank you for having me on your show. and our conversation is focused on one thing, protecting and promoting public health and public safety. that's what every elected and appointed leader, every community leader in the state of michigan is focused on. we were one of the hardest-hit states in the country when this pandemic started. we had the third most deaths. we've made choices to keep people safe and we've had to be aggressive. we're starting to see things plateau and trend in the right direction. we're not focused on the politics the way the president is. he's focused on attacking and we're focused on healing. we're focused on doing the right thing for people and the people of michigan have responded quite well. >> let me come -- i may come back to politics. let me stick with coronavirus.

let's look at your cases, the curve is down. you'll see a spike in a day or so, if you go back to early april, you're coming down and we're grateful for that that things are improving. it's terrible, 500 new cases a day. one of your neighbors in indiana, michiganers, welcome to a free-to-roam state. is this the kind of behavior you want from your neighbors right now? if michigan is closed down, spend money in indiana. >> we've been working together. the governor led the creation of a coalition of midwestern governors for us to work on things how we can reengage manufacturing activity. i think the relationship with the states have been quite healthy. the billboard is a joke or in jest. when we're figuring out how we can safely reengage the economy,

i think the midwestern collaboration has been a model for the rest of the country and that's the kind of leadership that we need. and that is bipartisan leadership locally here in the state when we respond coronavirus, the flood event that we had this past week, and the bipartisan nature of the governors and lieutenant governors across the midwest. we've shown what it means to work together and that's what people in the midwest do, certainly people in michigan do. >> i get your point about how sometimes it is awkward to talk about politics in the middle of all of this. i'm a guy who covers campaigns for a living and i'm saying, less politics. and the former vice president of the united states said something that had a lot of people thinking about what happened in 2016 where african-american turnout was down in milwaukee and donald trump became president of the united states. i want you to listen to the former vice president of the united states and we'll talk on the other side. >> it's a long way until november. we have more questions. >> you got more questions.

if you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or trump, and you ain't black. >> it has nothing to do with trump. it has to do with the fact that i want something for my community. i would love -- >> take a look at my record, man. i extended the voting acts 25 years. i have a record that is second to none. >> trump campaign trying to make hay about this. the former vice president apologized said he was too cavalier and he would never take the african-american vote for granted. do you worry that something like this and that a very campaign like donald trump's that has a ton of money, do you worry about a repeat of 2016, where turnout in wayne county is down just a little bit, and michigan, wisconsin flip from blue to red and donald trump gets re-elected? >> first of all, i'm speaking you from wayne county where i live right now. and the idea that president donald trump is better for the black community in detroit or any place else in the country is false and that's been laid bare

by his failed response to the coronavirus pandemic in which the city of detroit, it's been as deadly as it's been in any other state. i lost the pastor of my church. the idea that the president's agenda is serving black folks is ridiculous. and the vice president's record shows he's stepped up. i understand what charlamagne tha god was saying. he wanted to make sure that he could understand what the agenda was for the black community and thankfully, vice president has stepped up and defined one and he was there on the breakfast club to converse about what that agenda can look like. i think there's an opportunity for the vice president to continue to engage and i'm happy to help him by being a part of that. >> sad to hear that news about your pastor. every day, somebody loses somebody in their life. i appreciate your time this sunday. best of luck, sir. >> thank you, john. up next, the president

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covid-19. there are nearly 1,300 trump counties, shy of 400 clinton counties. you see the cases stretch deep into trump country. that's one thing he has to worry about as he runs for re-election. we've seen him support protest movements against governors, mostly democratic governors, in states important to the president's map, maine, minnesota, michigan. another thing we have seen from the president is that when he travels, it is all about the map. arizona, pennsylvania, michigan, florida, in the week ahead. all of those key battlegrounds back in 2016 and again now in 2020. one of the issues for the president, he wants the reopening to accelerate and get going as fast as possible because of the economic devastation of the coronavirus. nearly 40 million americans have

filed claims for unemployment in just the last nine weeks. the president insists, though, as america reopens, the comeback will be giant. >> next year we're going to have one of the strongest years we've had in a long time and that's my ambition, to get it back to not only where it was, but to beyond where it was. >> you watch what happens starting in the fourth quarter, probably starting in the third quarter a little bit, the transition quarter. we're going to be bigger and better than ever. >> within the next year, we're going to be exceeding any expectation and i have a good gut feeling about a lot of things, including running for president. and i think we're going to do better the second time. >> with us this sunday to share his insights, mark sandy. thanks for being with us this sunday. the president says he trusts his gut. i read your analysis every week and you have a different view about whether the economy is going to bounce back immediately and whether we may hit another

ditch come fall. >> after that, i think the economy just goes sideways, treads water at best until we get a vaccine that is distributed and adopted. it's hard to imagine business people investing and expanding their businesses, consumers doing what they typically do until people feel comfortable that they're not going to get sick if they go out and about. it's difficult for me to see this economy getting back on the rails until the other side of that vaccine. and then, john, even after that, it's going to be a struggle because we're going to see lots of businesses fail, bankruptcies, you can already see that in the headlines yesterday with hertz filing for bankruptcy. it's going to take a long time to get this economy back to where it was. >> because of those forces and also because of what i'll call lessons learned, some of those lessons will be painful. do you have any sense, yet, of

how many, what percentage of those jobs might never come back? >> yeah, give you a sense of it, we've lost -- peak to trough will lose 25 million jobs. of course, there's tens of millions of more people who have lost hours and wages. but 25 million jobs. we'll get half of those back by labor day. and the unemployment rate is going to remain around 10% until we get that vaccine. and it won't be until mid decade until the economy can adjust and we get those jobs back. the kind of jobs we're going to get back are different than the ones we have now. we're going to lose a lot of jobs in the retail sector, hospitality, we're going to have a lot of work reeducating people to make sure they have the skills necessary to take the jobs. >> america's economy is a consumer-driven economy. in the next three months are you

likely to attend a gathering with ten or more people, 10% of people. to that point, the hesitation to reengage, do you think that's going to be a big factor in how quickly the economy comes back? >> huge. i can't imagine people just getting back to where they were. it's not impossible because of the way we're reopening. many businesses just aren't going to be able to reopen in the same way. they're not going to be at full capacity. we're not going to have the same kind of gatherings of big people at sporting events and performing arts and museums and amusement parks, those kind of things. i don't see this -- people really fully getting back on the tracks until they feel very comfortable that, you know, they're not going to get sick. by t by the way, it's not only a vaccine, it's making sure it's widely distributed and adopted.

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>> there is a global race to develop a coronavirus vaccine and the top infectious disease doctor is bullish about the timeline. >> i said it would likely be between a year and 18 months before we would have a vaccine. i think that schedule is still intact. i think it is conceivable if we

don't run into things that are, as they say, unanticipated setbacks, that we could have a vaccine that could be beginning to be deployed at the end of this calendar year, december 2020, or into january 2021. >> there are more than 100 vaccines in development, ten in human trials. the headlines this week suggest promise. a chinese candidate was said to show promise in human trials. drug maker moderna reported seeing antibodies in human trials. and johnson & johnson candidates reported positive results in primary testing. dr. offutt, thank you for sharing your time with us this sunday. you are very cautious and somewhat skeptical about the big headlines of the past week, right? >> these are extraordinarily preliminary data. what we're waiting for is the big drop, which is to say the

large prospective placebo-controlled trial, 20,000 people who get the vaccine, 10,000 who get the placebo, then and only then will you know if the vaccine is effective. i would be surprised if that happened by the end of the year. you would have to be very lucky. you want a representative number of cases of covid-19 in the placebo group and you're headed into the summer when it's likely when the number of cases will drop so that also works against these trials. we have to wait for the trials. right now these are extraordinary preliminary data. so let's be cautious. >> i know you respect dr. fauci. do you think that maybe whether it's the president's optimism or is he too far out there, irrational exuberance or do you think he's okay? >> it's fine to be optimistic. it's fine to be aspirational. i think, though, this process works in a specific way, and it's worked this way ever since the first vaccine was invented. we need to do the kind of trials that prove to us that something is effective and prove to us

it's safe. what worries me is we're so desperate for a vaccine because we're terrified, paralyzed by this virus, that we might be willing to accept something else. most people who get this vaccine would be healthy, young people who would be unlikely to die from the virus. we owe it to them to dot kind of trials we normally do to make sure this is safe and effective. >> and when people think, once this is a vaccine, i go to a doctor or a clinic and a shot and i'm totally good. in the public imagination, vaccines are often seen as cure-alls, like inoculations against measles. but these vaccines may be more like those that protect against influenza, reducing the risk. >> right, so the protection may be short-lived, it may last for a year or a couple of years.

it could protect you against moderate or severe disease but not mild disease that could shed virus. as we know more about these vaccines, we need to manage expectations so people know what to expect when these vaccines roll off the assembly line. >> a lot of people are talking about this and drug companies putting out press releases. you've actually done this, put out a vaccine. >> i was fortunate enough to be part of a team at children's hospital in philadelphia that developed the roto virus vaccine which took 26 years, which is about average. >> and so when you hear dr. fauci saying by christmas or maybe early next year, i'm sorry, just match those up. >> when we did the phase iii trial, it was a prospective placebo controlled trial of 70,000 babies, 35,000 got the vaccine, 35,000 got placebo.

that was an 11-country, four-year, $350 million trial to ensure the vaccine was what we claimed it to be, which is safe and effective. i don't expect to take that kind of time for this vaccine, and i don't think we have to, there are so many companies involved in this and so much interest and expertise and money in this, i think we can do it farthester. but we have to do that trial. people in this country should wait for those kinds of data. when you don't, what you can have happen is the administration, come october, early november, says, look, we've tested it in a few thousand people, it looks like we have a good immune response so let's put it out there. the immune response doesn't tell you what you need to know. you can only know by doing an efficacy trial. >> dr. offutt, grateful for your context and caution, we appreciate it. that's it for "inside politics." we're here weekend at 11:00 a.m. and noon eastern. up next, dana bash, filling in

for jake tapper. her guests include rick murphy, rick scott, and val demings. thanks for sharing your sunday. stay safe.

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open for summer? memorial day brings sun and hope to americans as all 50 states begin to reopen and president trump makes a bold declaration on churches. >> our churches and places of worship to open right now. >> can states reopen and stay safe? i'll speak to democratic governor phil murphy of new jersey and republican senator rick scott of florida in moments. and facing the damage. almost 40 million people filing for unemployment and looking for relief. >> folks think now there is going to be another bill. >> but will it