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adventurous guy with a fiery passion to care for children. may they rest in peace, and may their memories be a blessing. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. >> a grim milestone. a new warning as more states continue to relax restrictions, plus the white house weighing, giving people a bonus if they return to work. will it work? joe biden fighting back after donald trump mocked him for wearing a mask. let's go outfront. good evening. tonight the u.s. closing in on a sobering milestone. nearly 100,000 have been lost to the coronavirus, more than any other country in the world. in fact nearly one in four deaths around the world taking place in the united states of
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america. it's not a number that should ever be celebrated, but this was the message from president trump today on twitter. he wrote -- for all the political hacks if i didn't, we would have host 1.5 to 2 million people. it's not the first time he's struck that tone about a death toll, which was unimaginable, just three months ago. >> we would have lost 2 million, more if we had done it a different way. but you're talking about 100,000 more? who knows. >> people were thinking in terms of 1.5 million lives lost to 2.3 without the mitigation. and hopefully we're going to come in below that 100,000 lives lost. the. >> 100,000 is not just a number, of course, they see are human beings. these are people, brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers. the president also suggesting
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that his actions prevented the worst-case scenario that some models had suggested. the reality is that the models have swung wildly, right? projections of 60,000 up to 2.2 million deaths. it comes as we see a kucountry with mixed results. the reality is that many of those deaths we are complete reply preventable if the united states had acted sooner. 100,000 dead americans is unprecedented not a number of ones lost since world war ii in this country, and tonight a new warning from the fda commissioner. >> we now see a trend, up tick in hospitalizations, it's small, but it is unmistakable and probably the result of reopening. >> jason carroll is out front live in new york. an up tick could be result of
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mosh testing or more hospitalizations. it's adding to a national picture that still is murky. it is murky. in some places, in some states the numbers are up. in other places the numbers are down. what health officials say, erin, is to look at the country as a whole, and to not let one's guard down when it comes to trying to defeat this virus. as the nation steadily closes in on 1100,000 deaths, the number of new cases across the country holding steady in 13 states, with 20 states seeing declines in new cases. still, alarming numbers in 17 states seeing increases in new cases, including missouri, alabama and arkansas, where the governor described a second peak. more encouraging news coming from the epicenter of the pandemic. new york's governor rang the
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opening bell to mark the stock exchange reopening. >> new york is back. we're reopening all across the state, and we're going to get back, and we're going to be better than ever. >> neighboring new jersey taking a significant step, the governor seg outdoor graduations will be allowed starting july 6th. still, the world health organization urging caution saying there could by a second peak if people become complacent. troubling images like these are of particular concern to health officials. fallout from the packed holiday weekend pool party in the ozarks around the video went viral. officials issued an advisory for those travelers toself quarantine for 14 days. >> this is an international example of exactly what not to do. this has the potential of
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setting us back. >> missouri moving forward, the same with arkansas, where stand-alone bars, for example, cannot serve patrons in a limited capacity. some say it's long overdue. i could get killed by covid or hit by a bus or car tomorrow. i am practicing proper hand washing and hygiene. >> reporter: in georgia, one of the earliest states to ease restrictions, the number of new cases has just about remained steady over the past month. this is several students from a private school, who tested positive for covid-19 after attending an insanctioned graduation gathering. novovax is joining the rank for a vaccine trial, some health experts continue with great warnings. >> the virus it/will do what it will do. we're not driving this tiger. we're riding it. >> erin, this disappointing
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development from the cdc late today has to do with the andy body tests. it turns out the cdc says half the time the results of those antibody tests are simply wrong. they put forth the development saying they're not accurate enough to form policy going forward. they also say they should not get used in decisions in terms of whether or not people should go back to work or school. erin? >> jason, thank you very much. they're saying half of them are inaccurate, and even in areas where there's high exposure like where we are tonight, in new york. let's go to dr. sanjayuppa and dr. jha. jason just talking about the cdc guidance. they're now saying the tests might be wrong up to half the time, even in areas where there's been a lot more people have been sick from the virus. i mean, that's incredibly
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unreliable. that's basically you can't count on it at all. should they be used at all right now, these antibody tests? >> i don't think we should be making decisions uses those. i spent a fair amount of the weekend talking to folks to help create these tests, buzz there's a few things. one is there's a lot of tests put out. we talked about it initially that were just unreliable. they weren't validated, weren't very good tests. also, we still don't know the exact meaning of what the antibodies will provide, how strong that protection would be. it's likely they'll have some protection. also, to your point you're making, the tests will not work as well in areas where you have a low previousalence, the highee
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prevalen prevalence, the mori -- you're probably going to end up getting a lot of false-positives, as a result. false-positive is the worst kind of results, right? you think i've got the antibodies, i'm good to go. you're not, so the tests aren't good enough right now. >> some people having asking me, okay, i understand that i live in an area where even if it's 5% or 10%, there may not be a lot of comparable people, right, to test against. why not use it against a population where it is? there's a sort of hard to understand why they're so inaccurate. >> yeah. there's a lot of work being done on it. as dr. gupta said, one of the problems that happened is we rushed they tests onto the market without proper testing and validation. a vast majority of these tests are really poor quality. there are a few coming on that i
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think are going to have high specificity. that's the measure we use. you really need an effective fda that can help probably ov oversight. >> there's a huge question, and then there's the question we've been asking, which is this up tick. at first it was cases, now it's hospitalizations. why are we seeing that? you heard the fda commissioner scott gottlieb. he said the upward trend in hospitalization in his words is probably a result of reopening. we have all seen this awful picture in the ozarks, right? and the governor was upset by that as well. can we say that's what these hospitalizations are linked to? >> we don't know for sure, but
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if you look at, for example, where i live in georgia. it's been about a month that things have been opened up, about two weeks ago you started to see a slight up tick in the number of people diagnosed. there's so many different factors. you have more testing possibly that's driving that as well. you have a contagious virus, and as more people are out and about, you can almost be certain of an up tick. it's a question of how many more infections. dr. jha i think has mentioned this. this is not a binary open or close. some of the messages we've been talking about are getting out there. even though those images are hard to watch, it makes me feel like most people are not watching, but i think most peach are. so it's a bit of a different,
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gradual sort of opening. >> dr. jha, what about the fact we've been watching these numbers? 17 states have seen the numbers go up. 13 holding steady, you know, four more states now than last week seeing numbers go down. last week you said it was a little early to tell why we're seeing this not going in the right direction increasingly. was it because there was more testing, or because more people are getting sick? is the picture any clearer now than a week later? >> unfortunately not much. the way i look at this is we'll almost surely see a lot of divergence. you really have a spectrum. some places have opened up where people are doing a good job of maintaining social distancing. i expect those places to stay flat or go down over time. there are other states being less careful. in some ways they things can take several weeks% they show up.
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hospitalizations and death, even though they are lake markers, they really tell you the most concrete story. i think in the upcoming weeks, unfortunately we'll have more data where some states have probably gone the wrong way. >> before we go, this is a chart from the cdc. you can see nearly 60% of the deaths are in people over the age of 75. when you look at the 0 to 17 years, you know, 0%. so at this point, should kids who can stay away from older adults, right? stay away from grandparents, go back to school, go back to camp? >> i think, you know, you may sort of make a case for that. i think if you start to quantify how much of an advantage are we getting from keeping kids out of school, grade school kids, at least, out of whole sum of things, maybe 2% to 3%. the challenge is, and we're learning every day, right?
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they could still be carriers. even if they're trying to be good about not visiting grandparents and things like that, they could be spreading to people in the school who may be elderly, and we have to keep an eye on this multi-inflammatory it syndrome. it's rare, thank goodness, but it can be concerning. you don't know who those kids are yet. we have to identify who is really at risk and make sure we can take care of the asymptomatic spread. what would help a lot -- testing. i know we're banging the drums. >> all right. a lot of this obviously is psychological, too. thank you both very much. next, pharmaceutical giant merck starting to enter the race for a cure. a doctor who had the pivotal
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role is my guest. plus the administration is looking at a $450 bonius to encourage people to go back to work. will it work? gary cohn, former goldman sachs executive is outfront. twitter for the first time labeling the president's tweets with a fact check. how will that work? it's best we stay apart for a bit,
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tonight the race for a cure is heating up. pharmaceutical giant merck says it plans to enter into human trials later this year. and biotech company novovax injected it's first human. outfront, dr. william hazeltine. doctor, i appreciate your help. i wanted to start off by asking about vaccines. biotech company novovax announcing that they're entering into faces of a vaccine. what is your reaction? >> first, i'm happy that our
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entire world's pharmaceutical and biotech industries are involved in this. if it can be done, they're the ones to do it. that makes me happy. secondly, everybody should be cautious. at this point we don't know if a vaccine can be developed. that's what science trysts are asking. we'rel. there's in positive indications, but we also have some warning signs that some of the vaccines that have been tested that we have some idea of how they are working, aren't working completely. in one study all the animals that got infected, their lungs were clear, but nasal passages weren't. that's pretty typical of these vaccines. so the question right now is if, not really when. it may be in a few months we'll have a better fix on whether it's when, about you we don't know that yet. >> to that point i've been talking to dr. hill, a leader in
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the oxford trial, they've been using tried-and-true technology, 80% certain they would have a vaccine by fall. now they're saying they're 50% certain, but because of the prevalence of the disease has been dropped where they're doing the trial. what do you make of that? >> there are 100,000 people that go the infected today and there would be another 100,000 people infected in the world tomorrow. that's not a shortage of patients. it's puzzling why they would say such a thing. what i fear is that there's a move to try to use a live virus to challenge healthy people, give them a vaccine, and then rather than wait to see if they get infected. that's dangerous and i believe unethical. there's plenty of patients out there, plenty of new infections. if they're willing to spread their net beyond great britain,
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this should be able to do it. this is not a time to rush unnecessarily. yes, do everything you can quickly, but do it carefully, do it meticulously, so we can really believe the answers, and don't take unethical risks. >> if there are people willing to be part of that challenge trial, even though this may not be a treatment if they become incredibly sick, you still don't think that's the right thing to do, even if that did dramatically curtail the timeline? >> i don't think so, for the following reason. first of all, it is unnecessary. there are plenty of people around. secondly, it's uninformative, because most of the people who will do that will be young, and the people that need the convenience is older people. nobody in their right mind would give that kind of vaccine to an older people. we have a good memory of the
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horrors of human experimentation starting in the 1940s, '50s, the muskegee trials? we don't want to go there. >> merck's announcement, does it hold -- >> i'm very pleased that people are producing antiviral drugs. the current drugs don't work well, but these aren't off the shelf. they're tailor made for this virus, and i would say with very high confidence those drugs will eventually work, they will work not only to cure the ill, prevent them from getting sick. they'll also work in some cases to prevent healthcare workers who are sdposed from getting sick. right now we may even have things on the brink. a like hyper-immune glob ulynn
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council director larry kudlow says the white house is very carefully looking at a back-to-work proposal. workers may receive an extra $450. gary cohn is a former president and c.o.o. of goldman sachs. you know, you've talked a lot about this issue of the fact of the whole goal of the around assistance was to keep people home. so now you're going to say, a
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$450 does that encourage people to go back to work? thanks for having me. they're trying to get poem back into the workforce. i completely agree the way to recover our economy is to get people back in the workforce. there's an enormous multiplier for every person you get back in, you drag others back in, because that person demands goods and services as they reenter the workforce. encouraging people to get back into the workforce will drag others in, so if the government is going to spend money, i would rather they spend it back into the workforce rather than sitting at home. there are some limiting factors. we still have not opened up daycare or schools, so there are a bunch of limiting factors that
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we're going to have to deal with to get people back into their everyday normal life. >> and to that point, a fox news poll asked whether we should wait to reopen the economy or not. 55% said we should wait, even if it makes the economic crisis last longer. 34% says the country should reopen. i asked it in the -- is that you can open a state, but if they don't they don't, you need that -- >> we do need the confident, but remember we need the confidence by seeing people going out and interacting and see positive results. so for the last two months
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almost we've been sitting at home, and hearing the thing to do is to stay home. we need to flatten the curve. to now you need to go out. so, look, this has to be an incredible at approach. i think that's what we're trying to do right now. we're trying to have an incremental approach. earlier you showed the data, how it's affecting different states and look, they this all goes hand in glove with testing. we have to understand what are the implications of reopening the economy. >> i know you're not a market prognosticator, but unemployment
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is maybe 20%, maybe worse, but yet you have the dow back to where it was 11 weeks ago, when all this began. consumer confidence jumped, new home sales have gone up. how does all of this add up to yo you? and then i tell you unemployment is at 20%. part of me thinking one of those things has to be really off. i know the unemployment numbers are real, at least for now. >> the unemployment numbers are real. i don't think anyone is debating that, but the dow represents the 30 biggest companies in the country, maybe the 30 most important companies. even today was a perfect example. the 30 companies in the dow outperformed the s&p 500, the 500 biggest companies, by almost 1%. so you're seeing different returns for different companies
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based on their importance and based on their relevance. the market indices that we tend to look at on a daily basis are the biggest and most important companies. if we looked at the smalls 500 public companies, we would get completely different results. we would see companies that are really struggling, probably struggling to stay alive, let alone have the share price pick up. >> how quickly do you think unemployment will improve? >> the numbers we see are lagging, so we'll continue to see bad numbers. as we get more and more people uncomfortable, reentering the company, more and more people back to work and more normalized activity, we will see the economy recover. but we've got to change the mentality of people. we're used to hearing stay home and stay home is the right thing to do. we now need to hear it's okay to
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go shopping, shopping if there's our four or five in the store. we need real rules that make people comfortable to engage in the economy again. >> that's a fair point. thank you for the input. next, president trump pressed on why he was mocking joe biden for wearing a mask -- >> well, i thought it was unusual that he had one on. >> plus twitter now fact checking the president for the first time. you can see it there at the bottom of the tweet. and now tonight the trump campaign is responding. i recommend nature made vitamins... because i trust their quality they were the first to have a vitamin verified by usp... ...an independent organization that sets strict quality and purity standards nature made, the #1 pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand that liberty mutual customizes your insurance, i just love hitting the open road and telling people the #1 pharmacist recommended
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especially in times like these, strong public schools make a better california for all of us. tonight joe biden firing back at president trump after the president retweeted this folks from bret hume, saying this might help explain that trump doesn't like to wear a mask in public. this is how joe biden responded in an exclusive interview with our dana bash. >> he's an absolute fool to talk
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that way. i mean, every leading doc in the world is saying we were wear a mask. >> the truth of the matter is i think you're supposed to lead by example. obviously mocking a policy that his own administration put in place, but this might help explain why -- what do you say to the president. >> be a leader. they have to set an example. there's no frankly i think it's
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contributing to some folks out here who against the better judgment like the guests you have on with me wearing a mask sis you are paying respect to the people putting their living at risk. it's just unbelievable to me. you know, even friends on the international stage, benjamin netanyahu, country leaders are wearing masks. here's the reason why he retweeted the post. >> he can wear a mask, but he was standing outside with his wife, perfect conditions. they're inside, they don't wear a mask, so i thought it was unusual that he had one on. >> it came off kayleigh mcenanny
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said it was peculiar. >> right. so for the millionth time, let's make this very simple. we save lives when we wear masks outside, because we prevent ourselves transmitting the virus unknowingly to other people. when we're in our own homes, we don't need to wear a mask. this country is rapidly becoming separated by those who believe in science, and those who listen to the president. it's becoming very, very destructive. i don't really care whether the president believes in masks. you know, the astrophysicist neil degrass tyson has said, the good thing about science is that
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it's true, whether you believe in it or not. the trouble is when the president says something, the public believes hem, and that is killing people. >> governor kasich. the governor of north dakota was emotional on this topic. here's what he told his constituents. >> if someone is wearing a mask, they're not doing it to represent what political party or what candidates they support. they might have been doing it because they have a 5-year-old child who has been going through cancer treatments. they might have -- vulnerable adults in their life who are critical off covid and they're fighting. >> good man. good man. >> this is not political. >> you know, aaron let's think back to what we called natural disaster america, where we saw people showing up where there was terrible flooding.
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they would get in these boats and go and rescue people. nobody was saying, are you from a red state or a blue state? frankly, i think most people are aware of this. i think most people are acting responsibly, but it's pretty interesting to see the numbers that are not. again, back to natural disaster, america brought out the best in us. just yesterday i was watching, you know, the battle of the bulge, these incredible people who put their lives on the line. wearing a mask is really about respecting others and not transmitting. this is not complicated. there's no reason for this, but it is beginning to tell us, when you see this, erin, the deep divisions that we have in our country, it's symptomatic of these divisions. they must be healed if we're going to be a strong -- you know, the strongest country we can possibly be. >> doctor, you made the point
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about neil degrass tyson talking about the facts. here's one man in alabama, he said this to our gary tuchman. >> i mean, if he's not wearing a mask, i'm not going to wear a mask. if he's not worried, i'm not worried. >> reporter: the president? >> yes, sir. >> that's exactly what is happening in some places. that's just the reality. some people they see it and they do it. >> his words matter. they matter a lot, and they cause people to doubt science. look, in our hospital we tested antibodies in people who work in the covid environment, and you know, in healthcare providers, nurses and docs, they're lower than in the general population. that's emulated in places like columbia and new york. we wear masks. it prevents transmission, but they get in the way of the
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president's narrative that we're moving back to normal. it's a really cynical calculus. the president is forcing the country to choose between science and politics. it's a really disastrous situation. >> erin, when i was first elected governor, it was a bit bumpy, and, you know, i would make a comment here or there, smack alsmart-aleck, and she sa, john, you're the father of ohio, you need to act like it. i repeat it to the president. you're the father of the country, act like it. if he acted like it, we would have less divisions. sometimes you have to tell it like it is. thanks, erin. >> and thank you to you, doctor. twitter is fact-checking, and the president has just responded.
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breaking news, twitter fact-checking the president for the first time. this has never happened before. fact-checking links to president's tweets about mail-in voting, prompting users to get facts about the mail-in ballot. clicking on that link takes you to a page with a section of what you need to know. tonight trump responding -- i won't allow it to happen. brian stelter joins me now. i want to talk about that in one second, but first, the significance of this move. twitter has been under pressure to do.
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it's a slippery slope. what prompted it now? >> it's a step toward twitter acting more like an editor, one they have taken action once, they'll be under pressure to do it again and again. the president posts hundreds of things that are untrue, misleading or dangerous on "godzilla" or spitting into the ocean. pick whatever metaphor you want. this is a very minor action toward a very major problem. that is a war on truth that continues every day unabated. not just by president trump, but by many others using social media platforms. so it is notable twitter is taking action, but a lot of people are going to look sat this and say too little too late or too little at all. >> now the president is fighting back saying he's not going to allow it to happen. what can he do? >> he welcomes this fight. he welcomes this fight. his campaign welcomes this fight. they want the 2020 campaign to be, in part, about what they say
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is conservative censorship, meaning censorship of conservatives by big tech and big media. that is the narrative they embrace because it means we are not talking about the number of dead and the number of sick people from covid-19. they are going to embrace these kinds of fights. but look at what happened today with the trump and joe scarborough. trump is doubling down on this lie about joe scarborough suggesting scarborough is guilty of murder in the face of all evidence and in the face of a widower who says, please stop talking about my dead wife the way you're talking about her. it is a shameful thing, but twitter will not fact check it, neither will facebook, by the way. facebook is just as culpable in these situations. what used to manage these things is shame and decency. you know, you'd be held in check by your peers, by news media outlets, by your fellow it politicians. it seems when someone is shameless and has no decency there are no checks. the war on truth is good people of all political stripes saying, stop lying, stop making things
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up about voter fraud. stop hurting innocent dead people. but right now, erin, there is not enough pressure to stop it. >> all right, brian, thank you very much. and next, the trump administration just hours from stopping anyone who has been in bra brazil from entering the united states. death there hitting a new milestone. we are live on the ground in brazil. you wouldn't accept an incomplete job from anyone else.
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brazil surpassing the united states for the first time, the most reported daily coronavirus deaths for two days in a row. cases have been exploding in the south american country as the brazilian president downplays the virus. the trump administration is now hours away from stopping anyone who has been in brazil in the last two weeks from entering the united states. nick payton walsh is out front. >> reporter: this is a landing of last resort, seeking salvation in a coronavirus hot bed. tiny planes bring the sickest covid patients from hundreds of miles away deep in the amazon to manaus, brazil's worst-hit city and to a hospital bed. a journey most make alone. from which some won't go home. this is what doing well looks like on these flights, moving. the woman on board struggling, motionless. once they had to intubate a patient in mid-air. >> it's very hard.
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you carry a weight that you don't see. every time i carry this weight, i feel like i carry this weight. >> reporter: they arrive in a city not only in death, but also fury. brazilian president jair bolsonaro has made light of the virus and called the mayor here a piece of excrement for digging these mass graves. they had little choice here when the bodies started piling up. this month they buried 103 in one day, digging at night. even in two hours, five come. one by one laid in the trench. many mourners say there are coronavirus deaths, but it's hard to know. they can't tell the whole picture because there isn't enough testing. you can see that here. these are those who have died and have tested positive for coronavirus. but these graves staggeringly, well, they're the ones that they suspect may have died of the disease. the mass burial itself
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distressing. >> around 30 minutes, waiting for more bodies. i just want to put my mom there and finish this. we don't need these. my family doesn't need this. >> reporter: we asked the grave diggers who think fewer would have died here if the president had kept quiet. no one listens to bolsonaro, one says. he's not there for the people. another, he should have asked us what was going on. but still the hospitals here receive a daily stream of new patients. these from outlying villages where local tribes live, badly hit, too. the i.c.u., which has ventilators, a less invasive means is frenetic. and even the patients have heard what the president said. the mayor is just trying to save lives, says ramondo, and the president is against that. inside a local indigenous leader visits newly adopting the role from his father killed by the virus two weeks ago.
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i took my father into hospital where he was intubated for five days, he says. now we have 300 people with symptoms. politically the president forgot us and is killing the indigenous people. bolsonaro insists he is for economic growth and safety, but the virus is still tearing through the poor here. their remote way of life was no protection from this modern plague. it just put help further away. erin, that is where the worst plays was and this troublingly is where the worst place may be in the weeks ahead. very familiar, i'm sure, to many watching. this is copacabana beach in rio de janeiro in a place that is likely to be a future hot spot for 4,000 dead in this area, 40,000 cases. as you said, the numbers now day by day increasingly worse than the death in the united states. brazil is on the way up in terms of its trajekt rip for infections and death.
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the peak one to two weeks away, and rio, a health care system struggling, it seems, and a city while we're wearing masks here, the first time in sao paulo it was pretty much everywhere. here in rio, you see people not wearing masks and a lot more of a sense of activity out in the streets than elsewhere. it could be very difficult for brazil in the weeks ahead. some models suggesting potentially 125,000 dead in total. brazil really anxious about what comes next. erin? >> all right, thank you very much, nick payton walsh. and anderson starts now. >> good evening. we have breaking news tonight. twitter has begun putting fact checking labels on some of the president's tweets. and joe biden has weighed in on the president taking jabs at him for wearing a massing k. we'll have more on that shortly. some tonight, perhaps tomorrow at the current