tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN May 27, 2020 5:00pm-6:00pm PDT
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phone. and he said, i'm sorry, but there's no more pulse. and then i played our wedding song for him. and then, um -- and then that was it. so, i was, i was with him when he passed. >> maura's bravery and her love for joe has forever touched me and i know many of you. it has been nearly two months since joe died, and i'm going to be speaking with maura tomorrow night. i thank all of you for joining us. anderson starts now. >> it is hard to say good evening tonight. 100 now people in th 100,000 people have now died. grand mothers, friends and neighbors. the president has yet to say anything about the milestone, the 100,000 lives lost or those
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who might have been spared. he returned from his trip to florida and was silent about the dead. he suggests covid hasn't killed those people, though every nearly public health expert will tell you that the actual numbers of victims is likely higher. the first death we now know of was on february 6, less than four months ago. imagine that. the virus has moved that fast and it continues to kill. we may have grown tired of it, but it has not grown tired of us. how to think about 100,000 deaths, it's more than have died in all our wars from vietnam till now. this virus that has now become as deadly as 50 hurricane katrinas. but comparisons fail to tell you the pain and the sadness and the grief that so many of us now feel. the president who talked of america first has, when it comes to covid, reached that position. we are number one out of all the other countries in fatalities. we're number one. the u.s. has about 5% of the
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world's population, but nearly 30% of the deaths. we are number one. we are a world leader in medicine, medical research and public health. we once created supply chains that helped win world wars. we're now a world leader in lives lost. the bars on this chart represent death from all causes in this country. the red bars on the right, so much taller than the rest, are since the outbreak began here. covid's number one in america. and it's not over yet. new cases are still rising in some states, falling in others, and steady elsewhere. the president is pushing hard to reopen as much of the country as fast as possible, and at the same time mocking those who wear masks and encouraging people to demonstrate against social distancing. he once said he was fighting a war. now he fights to weaken our defenses against further spread and weaken any sense of unity. unity is what you need to fight a war. is anyone really surprised by the images we're now seeing? how some people behaved in their
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newly reopened states over the weekend? also how the president is behaving, what he's saying. is anyone surprised? all the distractions that he's been indulging in, whether it's pushing a drug that can kill you or cyber bullying a dead woman and her family. yeah, the president of the united states cyber bullying a dead woman and her family. yes, of course, from the earliest days he either downplayed the seriousness of the threat or played games with the numbers, numbers in this case of human beings in this country who have died or will die on his watch. >> it's one person coming in from china, and we have it under control. >> we have it very much under control in this country. very interestingly, we've had no deaths. >> you know, in april, supposedly it dies with hotter weather and that's a beautiful day to look forward to. >> people are getting better, they're all getting better. there is a good chance you're not going to die. >> this is a flu, this is like a flu. >> of the 15 people, the original 15 as i call them, eight of them have returned to
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their homes. we're going down, not up. we're going very substantially down, not up. >> again, when you have 15 people and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done. >> it's going to disappear. one day it's like a miracle, it will disappear. >> we're going toward 50 or 60,000 people. >> 75, 80 to 100,000 people. it's a horrible thing. >> if we didn't do t you would have had a million people, a million and a half people, maybe 2 million people dead. >> 2.2 million people if we did nothing. >> we would have lost probably higher than -- it's possible higher than 2.2. that's one of the reasons we're successful. if you call losing 80 or 90,000 people successful, if we can hold that down as we're saying to 100,000, it's a horrible number. >> so, we have between 100 and 200,000. we all together have done a very good job. >> good job. 100,000 dead and counting.
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millions of lives changed forever by the loss of those lives. millions of moments that will never unfold. he said nothing today about 100,000 dead, but he's proud of the job. proud of the job he's done on testing. something south korea, whose outbreak began almost simultaneously with ours, deployed to keep its death rate in the low hundreds. the president has been consistently proud of that. >> we're testing everybody that we need to test. >> anybody that wants a test can get a test. >> we took over an obsolete broken testing system. >> there's not a lot of issues with testing. >> the governors are supposed to do testing. >> we are lapping the world on testing. >> we have so much testing, i don't think you need that kind of testing, that much testing. >> we've done more testing than every other country combined. so in aw way by doing all this testing we make ourselves look bad. >> i've always said testing is overrated. >> something can happen between a test it's good, something happens and all of a sudden -- >> this is why the whole concept
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of tests aren't necessarily great. >> but testing certainly is a very important function and we have prevailed. >> remember when president bush got criticized for saying brown, you're doing a heck of a job while people were waiting outside the convention center at katrina? the president has been saying he's doing a heck of a job every single day, he's been yelling it, shouting it, he seems to believe it. we prevailed, he said there. the administration had the exact same lead time as south korea to get its testing and contact tracing system up and running and they didn't. now they've chosen to kick the responsibility to the states while at the same time pushing those states to reopen and at the same time attacking masks and mocking leaders who wear them, though insisting everyone around him wears masks to keep him safe. how hypocritical is that? he talks now of a transition to greatness. perhaps he might try a transition himself to decency,
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empathy, and competence. that would be a great transition indeed. want to get perspective now on many fronts. cnn chief white house correspondent jim accosta joins us, chief political correspondent dana bash, chief medical correspondent sanjay gupta. sanjay, you've been on with me every night. more have died because of this virus. this number, this many people did not have to die. we've seen other countries, south korea more effective. we've crossed this threshold. what are you thinking tonight? >> well, first of all, it's a gut punch, anderson. i mean, just sort of took my breath away this afternoon when i first saw the threshold. i mean, we've known this was coming, this grim milestone. i think we've known for a few weeks or so that this would happen. i guess it still makes it no less painful when it actually does happen. it's like somebody you know who is a patient or friend of yours who is sick and you know they're
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sick, but then they get really sick or die and it still hurts. this is, i think a lot of people are going to be grieving and they're going to remember this day for a long time. but all the context that you gave, you know, comparing this to wars or other things. as you said, one thing -- one piece of context that should not be ascribed to this is that it was inevitable. this was not inevitable. there are a lot of preventable deaths out there. you and i in haiti would interview the doctors without borders nsf, they would call them preventable deaths, stupid deaths. they were something they could have totally prevented, didn't need to happen. knew what to do. there are countries around the world. it's easy, but i think fair criticism right now to say how is a country, yes, south korea is 1/7 the size of the united states. they had fewer than 300 deaths. they had the same information we did. they had the disease the same time. they didn't have a magic therapeutic or vaccine. this could have been done. so it's tough to say on a day like today, anderson, because i think a lot of people are watching who may be family
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members of those who died, and it's tough. could my loved one's death have been prevented? you hate saying it out loud, but hopefully there's lessons that have been learned, i think, to answer your question. and lessons we may need to apply right away. this is by no means over. we're still in the middle of this, anderson. >> jim, the white house -- does the coronavirus task force, are they still meeting every day? are they -- is this something the president is still involved in? i mean, obviously the white house is trying to put as much distance between the president and talk of this virus as possible. >> reporter: right. >> but what are they actually doing? are they -- or is it now just up to the states? >> reporter: anderson, i think the president is reaching for his distraction play book more than he's reaching for his pandemic play book. he has been launching a whole series of distractions over the last 24 hours. just this evening he's been tweeting out praise from conservative commentator lou dobbs. he seems to be looking for a
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"dear leader" moment. he's looking for an apologist at the white house. instead of mourners there are more than 100,000 lives lost due to the coronavirus in the united states. they are not having coronavirus task force meetings. people like dr. anthony fauci are not making as many visits to the white house. the president is not keeping tabs as often as he had been when we were racing up to this 100,000 mark over the last several weeks. and so what the president is left with is what he has always been left with at times when his back has been up against the wall. he reaches for distractions. tomorrow we understand he's going to sign an executive order aimed at the social media companies as he's been having this fight with twitter. but what we're all wondering is whether or not the president is going to make mention of the fact that 100,000 americans have died from this virus, as you just said up in that series of clips just a few moments ago. he still has to answer for a whole litany of comments that
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he's made over the last three months, the virus would go away, it would magically disappear. we didn't even play the clip which i think may be the most damning clip from this entire crisis for the president when he suggested that americans inject themselves with disinfectant. there's been a whole slew of missteps for this president every step of the way. i was talking with a trump advisor earlier. they are firmly convinced when it comes down to election time in november that the american people will blame china for all of this and not the president. of course, we have have i had yoneya video of the president praising president xi at the beginning of this pandemic. >> yeah, even on that injecting disinfectant, jim, the idea he was talking to a government scientist and suggesting that government scientists, you know, actually put time and effort and experiment with this on human beings, injecting. i mean, it still boggles my mind and boggles my mind that that's
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what led to the stopping of the briefings of the coronavirus task force. i mean, it's incredible to think that just a gaff which the president then later lied about would actually have a real world consequence of stopping briefings by scientists on a daily basis for the american people is -- i mean -- >> reporter: and those briefings -- that task force and those briefings have never been the same since that moment. that was sort of his george bush heck of a job browny moment in my view. and when the president goes out there on the south lawn or whatever venue he's on and fox news, and he suggests that joe biden has lost a step or he's sleepy joe, joe biden has never suggested americans, you know, inject themselves with disinfectant. so he has just a whole library of comments that he's going to have to answer for over the next several weeks. the question is whether or not he can mark this moment -- it is a moment in american history
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with any kind of weight, with any kind of compassion for people who are suffering out there. >> you wrote a book about hurricane katrina, about the flood. when you and i spoke a lot during those times, the browny heck of of a job, the president has been saying he's been doing a heck of of a job from the beginning of this. >> yes, history is going to just mark the monumental failed leadership of donald trump through this covid crisis. i mean, we did lose two months. during katrina, we used to call that -- we'd lose lives in the 48-hour window. you have to get to people quickly. you have to respond quickly. there were lives lost because the bush administration didn't move quickly enough. in the case of president trump, we're dealing with probably 50,000 american lives that could have been saved because of his failed leadership. but what makes it even worse is we've had failed leaders in the world before.
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nevada i neville chamberlain didn't recognize the demon of a dolphin h hitler. they had empathy, hoover. this is an empathy deficit disorder. he seems not to care that all these deaths, in my mind, he acts like they're inconvenient statistics that are hurting his chances of reelection, so he wants to push them aside and say it's not really real. and this makes trump a very bizarre figure, and no matter what happens in this election, history will not shine a bright light on the way that he's navigated on these last four months. >> dana, it's also remarkable just the strategy he's now putting forward of undercutting the message from his own coronavirus task force, which has now basically been silenced. he once talked about himself as
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a wartime president. a war against a silent enemy. if the president of the united states during world war ii was on the one hand drafting people and sending them to fight and at the same time suggesting that maybe they not follow the orders of their commanders or not really give it their all in the war effort back at home and show up at the factories if they don't really want to. >> um-hmm. >> it's stunning to me that he's playing politics with a pandemic response. >> very much so. i mean, that's a really important analogy. and the president did at the beginning -- i mean, he showed kind of the arc of what happened with the president over the past two months. at the beginning he down played it. he made it sound like it was nothing, that they had it under control. and then suddenly when he realized it was very much not under control, but that he could play president on tv and play wartime president, he went in and took over the press
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conferences that the scientists -- the vice president was having the press conferences, but he did defer to the scientists so that americans could get the information that they needed. once he saw that that was a show with great ratings, he wanted to be the star until that moment that it all fell apart because of his ridiculous comment. and you're right, it was the poll numbers internally that they saw plummeting because of that that made him change course in a big way and try to stay as far away from this pandemic as he could. as he gets closer to reelection. never mind the fact that america needs leadership right now in a very big way, and he's not interested. he's more interested in focusing on reelection, and that is clear with his comments on masks. that is clear with everything that he is saying right now because the wartime president playbook didn't work for him. he couldn't do it.
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>> doug, the president declared himself a wartime president. if you declare that and then you don't follow through on it and you have a huge death toll, i mean, do you think his legacy will be defined by his response to covid? >> i think it really will be. i mean, the big bell rang. we had the big crisis, one of the worst ever, and he basically went awol. he got in a denial mode and then he worried about himself only. and we look at presidents that we want to feel the empathy of an f.d.r. telling depression people, we have nothing to fear but fear itself, and pulling the country together. or ronald regan after the challenger disaster in 1986. or bill clinton in oklahoma city, on and on. there are all these great moments. today should be a day of national mourning that we hit the 100,000 mark. he should be leading that, showing the open heartedness of america, that there were mistakes, there were blunders. but instead he refuses to have a
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heart, and that's the part that makes our me most sad about what's happening here. it's not just the bungled policies, bad decision making, but it's a president who doesn't seem to ever be able to express love to people unless they're ardent trump supporters and it makes him sort of a pathetic figure. >> and, sanjay, almost every single epidemiologist agrees one of the first steps that needed to be taken was a testing system, a robust national testing system. here we are, one still doesn't exist. the trump administration points the finger and says it's the state's responsibility for contact tracing as well. i don't know of any other country that has had such a lack of centralized federal response. >> no, i mean, it's quite striking. i mean, a country that typically is a lender in these areas -- i mean, there has been some legitimate criticism about the cdc's in addition test that was
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flawed, but the cdc is typically the organization that many other countries look to. our cdc is, for guidance on these types of things. they're some of the best public health doctors and officials in the world here in this country. many of whom were telling the president and telling others that this was going to be a problem. i mean, you had the cdc head of respiratory disease saying in february, it's no longer a question of if, it's a question of when this will be a pandemic in the united states and sweep throughout the world. and it didn't seem like anybody wanted to hear it. so, you know, as far as legacies go, this testing thing i think is going to be really something that, again, hopefully we can learn the lesson quickly because this is not over. we're still very much in this. but the idea that we got tistymd by nasal swabs, greatest country on earth. stymied by simple things that ended up leading to preventable deaths. that's a real tragedy. >> yeah. sanjay, thank you. jim, dana bash, doug brinkley,
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thank you, appreciate it. coming up a leading public health expert's take on what happens next. new optimism today from dr. anthony fauci about a vaccine. also this milestone, why it didn't have to come to this and how to keep the virus in check with or without a vaccine. later minneapolis, the death of an african-american man at the hands of police. they're firing the family calling for charges against the officer and how the community is reacting. that and more as 360 continues.
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more than 100,000 lives lost in this country, all 50 states lifting outbreak related restrictions in some shape or form. an unhealthy percentage of people choosing not to cover their faces in public and the president all but cheering them al all. the voice of caution and reason was dr. anthony fauci. he said he was concerned about reopening too soon in some places. speaking with jim sciutto, he sounded optimistic about a vaccine. >> you know, jim, i think we have a good chance, if all the things fall in the right place, that we might have a vaccine that would be deployable by the end of the year, by december -- november, december. i believe, yeah. >> that wasn't the only headline. jim sciutto also asked dr. fauci about the french's decision to ban hydroxychloroquine. he said he's not sure the president's favorite medicine should be banned here. the scientific evidence, his
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words, the drug was not effective and potentially harmful. joining us now is formerly harvard university's school of medicine, pioneered with dr. fauci in hiv and aids. thank you for being back with us. when we spoke on monday, you said we didn't need a vaccine to stop the virus, we need behavior to stop the virus. i think people really need to hear that. when dr. fauci says if everything goes in the right place, we could have a vaccine by the end of this year. a, what do you think of that? and how often in creating vaccines does everything go -- fall into the right place? >> well, those are two questions and i'll address both of them. but first let me say looking at the toll today, it's extremely sad. it's something that didn't have to happen for two reasons. we could have prevented it by behavior. and had we been prepared, only a handful of people in the whole world needed to have died. and from my point of view of
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seeing what's happened to my friends -- i have friends who have died. i know other people have friends who died. and looking at it where we stand today, it could be 200,000 people or more in the foreseeable future. and that's a tragedy. now, why do i say -- >> when you say it didn't have to happen -- when you say it didn't have to happen, it could have only been a few people, how can you say that? why? >> well, let me -- it didn't have to happen if we had been prepared. for example, i worked very hard with the u.s. department of defense at homeland security to help save us and protect us from bioterrorism. the mechanism exists, the stockpile, the drugs we think are going to come -- infectious disease, we don't know they're coming but we think they might. there was a hole in our safety net. that legislation also allowed us to look at nature as a terrorist. nature is sending viruses our way which we knew were coming.
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it was totally predictable that another coronavirus was on its way. all we had to do was stockpile those drugs, whether it's united states or china or south korea, and we could have treated people and stopped the ineffect lickety-split. we know the viruses that are working for sars and mers, the precedent of this virus, work against this virus, too. so we could have been prepared and we could have stopped it. once it got started, we have a good recipe for how to stop it. we look at new zealand. we look at australia. we look at thailand. we look at vietnam. we look at -- not vietnam, but we look at south korea. we look at china. we see with serious epidemics they've gone to zero for days. it's in the single digits -- >> right. >> it can be stopped without a vaccine and without a drug if we change our behavior. that was true in hiv/aids, too.
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over time people learned to change their behavior. it was pretty simple. use condoms for casual sex. and it worked. big behavior change. people can change their behavior -- >> so -- >> maybe not overnight, but they can. >> so, getting back to my first question which i interrupted you on, the vaccine, the idea of it being by november, december, and things falling into place. >> well, it rarely falls into place. i listen to ken fraser of merck, the company that brought more wonderful vaccines to the world than any other. and he was cautiously optimistic with an emphasis on both words, caution and optimism. he said it was not possible for him at merck, the biggest vaccine company in the world, to bring a vaccine to the market this year. that's his words. however, he's optimistic that they can solve the problem. they can solve it on a massive scale. there's a problem you and i haven't discussed which just
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came up in a associated press poll. if there were a vaccine, how many people would take it? the answer? 51% say yes. >> incredible. >> that is half the population. so there are a lot of issues with vaccines. will people accept them? will they be ready? when we already know how to control the virus in a big population, it can be done through human behavior. >> professor, i appreciate your time again, and you're right, that poll of 50% of people saying they wouldn't take a vaccine is just stunning, stunning -- >> it's stunning, shocking. >> thank you. >> it's sad. thank you very much. >> yeah. thank you. up next, senator kamala harris joins us to continue this discussion. we'll talk about the president's lack of response today. also the speed at which her state is reopening which some suggest may be happening too quickly. we'll get her thoughts. ing forcs to power your business.
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we mentioned earlier the president is yet to acknowledge today 100,000 people have died due to the coronavirus. he stayed silent today, but his opponent, former vice president joe biden issued this statement to commemorate the lives lost. >> this is a fateful milestone. we should have never reached. it could have been avoided. according to a study done by columbia university, if the administration had acted just one week earlier to implement social distancing and do what it had to do, just one week sooner, as many as 36,000 of these deaths would have been averted.
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>> that same report said if the country had been locked down two weeks earlier, 84% of the deaths could have been prevented. joining me now, california senator kamala harris. senator harris, thanks for being with us. obviously a sad sobering day for this country with 100,000 lives lost because of this virus. >> yes. >> i'm wondering what your thoughts are on this difficult day. >> it is tragic, anderson. 100,000 lives, 100,000 souls just within the last -- less than 100 days. and these are the parents, the grandparents, the brothers, sisters, relatives of people who are mourning their loss. and in many ways the number, it's senseless and it's tragic. and to the point that joe biden made also to some extent, it was avoidable. and i do, i do fear that we have not really had in our commander in chief any, any display of
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understanding about the devastation and any moment of real public mourning. you know, normally, sadly normally in these types of tragedies, we witness or attend funerals. we'd see the caskets. we've not really seen that. and i think that the sad part in addition to the numbers is that families are in many ways isolated in their suffering, and this should be a moment we as a nation understand and mourn the loss. >> i've never seen a leadership of any in this country, running this country -- i mean, people make mistakes. people don't do things fast enough. that happens. people are human. but to on the one hand at one time of the day push a message of, yes, you should wear a mask, here are stages states can use to reopen. it should be a certain amount of weeks of declining numbers of new cases and deaths and social
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distancing is important. and, yes, listen to the scientists. and then that same day, maybe later that day on twitter, late at night or whatever it may be, to undercut that message and mock those who wear masks and say, look, we have to liberate these states and take things over. i've never seen a leadership like that, and it just -- for a wartime president, it's essentially having troops fight each other. anders >> anderson, donald trump is not a leader. and he has proven that over and over and over again. real leadership in this moment of crisis would be to have genuine sympathy and empathy and compassion for the loss. it would be to act, doing things like, let's just start from today, putting in place a national testing strategy. today saying that the almost 40 million people who lost their jobs within the last 100 days
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should have recurrent monthly payments until we get through the pandemic. leadership would be about saying that over half of america's work force works for small businesses which are closed, many of which may not be able to open and we must save them by doing things like what i and ayanna pressley are saying, save the small businesses with loans and grants so they can keep their doors open because they, the bodegas and the barber shops and beauty salons are part of the heartbeat of those communities. that's what real leadership would be about. you know, i'm sick, frankly, of mourning the failure of donald trump's leadership because we never had it. we really don't have much to mourn because we never had it. we've not lost much. there's just been a vacancy there in terms of leadership. frankly. >> your home state of california became the fourth state with more than 100,000 coronavirus cases. has the state -- are things moving too quickly in california? what's your take?
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>> you know, i'm very proud of california's leadership. from the beginning it was a california mayor, london breed. it was a california governor in gavin newsom. it was a california leader in eric garcetti. i could go down the line of folks who took on the political courage even when it was unpopular to say, things should shutdown. let's take this seriously. let's listen to the public health professionals, the scientists, the physicians. and that's how california has actually i think been a model. and similarly, in the decisions that are being made about reopening, it is the public health professionals that are helping to lead the ideas and the plans about what reopening should look like. and i think california in that way has been a leader because it is about public health, not about politics. but understanding that we need to have leadership that understands that when we pay attention to the public health issue, consumers will also have the confidence to go back to those businesses. and in that way, support those
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businesses that we obviously want to keep open and allow them to get through the pandemic and not perish. >> senator harris, i appreciate your time tonight on this difficult day. thank you. >> of course. thank you. >> coming up next, a second day of protests in minneapolis happening as we speak over the death of an unarmed african-american man with the police officer's knee on his neck. the man was saying he couldn't breathe. he died. we'll take you there when we return. ♪ [ engines revving ] ♪ ♪ it's amazing to see them in the wild like th-- shhh. for those who were born to ride, there's progressive.
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more breaking news now. a second day of clashes between protesters and police in minneapolis as residents demand justice after the death of george floyd. the fbi is already investigating. today the city's mayor said the police officer whose knee was caught on floyd's neck will be charged. he and the others have been fired. randi kaye has the story. it's unsettling, disturbing and understanding why the death of george floyd has provoked such a nation national outrage. >> please, please, please! please, i can't breathe! please, man! please! >> reporter: this was the scene in minneapolis monday evening. that police officer has his knee buried in the neck of a man named george floyd.
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>> please! please! i can't breathe, officer! ah! you're gonna kill me, man. >> reporter: officers had responded to an alleged forgery call and found floyd sitting in his car. this surveillance video from a nearby restaurant shows officers making contact with floyd. then handcuffing him. police would later say he physically resisted, though that is not apparent from this portion of the video. nor does the video capture the incident leading up to the arrest. after police escort floyd away, bystanders capture this video of floyd face down on the ground, still handcuffed, the officer's knee forcing his face into the pavement. listen closely as the officer simply tells him to relax. >> you got him down, man. let him breathe, man. >> i can't breathe. >> i've been trying to help out. >> aha!
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>> relax. >> i can't breathe. >> what do you want? >> i can't breathe. i can't breathe. >> well, get up, get in the car, man. >> i will. >> get up, get in the car. i've been watching the whole thing. get up, get in the car. get up and get in the car. >> they could have tased him. they could have maced him. >> reporter: floyd struggles on the ground for five minutes. >> i'm through. my stomach hurts. my neck hurts. everything hurts. >> reporter: witnesses on the street plead with the officers to back off. >> how long-all got to hold him down? >> he's stopping his breathing right there, bro. >> reporter: the officer does not remove his knee from floyd's neck, nor do the other officers do anything to help him. soon george floyd lay motionless on the ground. his eyes closed. police say floyd appeared to be suffering from medical distress and that he died at the hospital.
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the four officers involved have been fired. their chief pointing out the knee in the neck technique is not approved. >> what we saw was horrible, completely and utterly messed up. we watched as a white officer pressed his knee into the neck of a black man. >> reporter: in response, protesters took to the streets of minneapolis clashing with police who resorted to tear gas and non-lethal projectiles. in the pouring rain, protesters echoed some of george floyd's final words. >> i can't breathe. >> reporter: the fbi has launched a full investigation, though george floyd's family is calling for the officers to be charged with murder, and they want justice. >> please, i can't breathe. please, man. please. >> reporter: randi kaye, cnn,
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west palm beach, florida. >> the union representing the four officers, the police officers federation of minneapolis has issued a statement. they say the officers are cooperating in the investigation. they also said this, quote, now is not the time to rush to judgment and immediately condemn our officers. officers' actions and training protocol will be carefully examined after the officers have provided their statements. joining us with more on the protests sarah sidner in minneapolis. sarah, what's the latest? >> reporter: you can hear the alarm going off in the wine and spirit store behind me. that is because people have broken into that store. there are a bunch of people that have gone into that store and are throwing things out. they're taking things out. it's mostly beer. but you are also seeing people with signs, black lives matter signs, a lot of folks standing across from the police department. the police department, the precinct is here. it's precinct 3. and what we saw earlier,
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anderson, was all the police officers had pushed out of this, we were flanked by officers. there's what tear gas being spewed everywhere. there were lots of flank bangs. water bottles and rocks being throne. and at the same time, they were pushing people down the street and then all of a sudden the officers began retreating back to precinct 3. and so when they started retreating back to precinct 3, the crowd as it gathered and gathered and gathered. what we are seeing here in some parts of the streets is you are seeing absolute anger that ganss with sorrow. it began with a great deal of pain after people saw that video, saw the video of an officer sticking his knee in the neck of a black man, a 46-year-old father. saw that knee sitting there for minutes upon minutes upon minutes, more than ten minutes, and then saw his body go limp. people were so outraged by that, their initial reaction was pain. >> yeah. >> reporter: their second reaction was anger and that is being exploded out into the streets at this point in time,
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>> and so what's the latest at the county attorney's office? >> we heard from the mayor. the mayor believes that the county attorney needs to charge at least the officer who put his knee on the back of the neck of george floyd. now, the county attorney has responded and said they're going to do the best job they can, that they were horrified by the video themselves and that they're going to do the best that they can in this case, but they stopped short of saying whether or not charges were coming. and, as you know, that usually takes a bit of time. there have to be legal documents drawn up if they are going to charge any of these four officers. this is probably the fastest that you and i have seen officers fired. it happened within 48 hours of the incident. >> sara sidner, thank you for being there. up next, we remember an icon. we'll be right back.
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all the hands you haven't held. all the dinners you didn't share with friends. the trips you haven't taken. keep track of them. each one means one less person vulnerable, one less person exposed, and one step closer to a healthier community. so for now, keep your distance. but don't lose count. we'll have some catching up to do. i want to take a moment to remember the life of larry cramer, a writer and playwrite who became hero. when gay men started dying from what was described a strange cancers, he was the founder of
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gay men's health crisis, took care of gay men who are mistreated. they were hiv positive and had aids and were treated terribly for it and larry went on to help them. he demanded changes in drug trials to speed up treatments. he dedicated his life to the fight of hiv/aids and the bigotry and murderous silence that surrounded it. at times he was a voice screaming seemingly alone in the wilderness but he was right more than he was wrong and forced other to take notice, other gay people, other straight people, pol politicians, scientists and doctors. he alienated people who didn't want to hear what he had to say or how he said it. he wrote an essay calling on gay men to wake you and work together to help find a cure. if this article doesn't rouse you to anger, fury, rage, gay
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men may have no future on this earth, he wrote. our continued existence depends on just how angry you can get, how many of us must die, he asked, before all of us living fight back? he was in a meeting of act up trying to get activists to stop fighting each other. take a look, this is classic larry kramer. >> we are in the middle of a plague and you behave like this? plague! 40 million infected people is a plague! we are in the worst shape we have ever, ever been in. all those pills we're shoveling down our throats, forget it!
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act up has been taken over by a lunatic fringe that can't get together, nobody agrees with anything. all we could do is field a couple of hundred people at a demonstration. that's not going to make anybody pay attention. not until we get millions out there. we can't do that. all we do is pick at each other and yell at each other. and i say to you in year ten the same thing i said to you in 1981 when there were 41 cases. until we get our acts together, all of us, we are as good as dead. >> those words ring true today in this moment we're now facing. that, by the way, that video is from "how to survive a plague," an extraordinary documentary of urge you to watch. what larry kramer and activists
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did saved countless lives. they actually managed to change the approval process for new traechlts a traechl treatments and not just for hiv but for other drugs today. dr. fauci once said there are two eras before larry and one after larry kramer. larry once called me a useless homosexual. i never met him but it hurt because i admired him so much. i went to is he a play he had written and he waited after the performance to see me. he came up to me. i expected him to yell at me but he shook my hand and smiled shyly and said "i've said some terrible things about you, anderson." and i say, "i know larry, and that's okay, i want to thank you o i ."
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32 million people have died of aids. you may not have heard of him or liked him but to me he's a hero and now he's gone. the news continues. i'm going to hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime tootime." >> i tell you, i know what he wanted from the media as part of the responsibility and the legacy of responsibility and as an observer of your work for many years, you were part of that living legacy, anderson. it's one of the reasons that we're all so proud of journalism that you bring. >> i don't know about that but thank you. >> you do now. thank you for reminding us of the loss. it's a sad night mon. it's just three months. we've lost a hundred thousand lives. do you need band music to tell
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