chris? >> so beautiful. so poignant, so important. a lot of people are unfamiliar with kramer's work, but you can't be if you grew up around here. that's for sure. and i'll tell you i know what he wanted from the media as part of the responsibility and the legacy of responsibility and as an observer of your work for many years, you are part of that living legacy, anderson. and it's one of the reasons that we're all so proud of the journalism you do now. >> i don't know about that, but thank you. >> thank you for reminding us of the loss. i am chris cuomo. welcome prime time. it's a sad night. it's just three months. we've lost a hundred thousand lives. do you need band music to tell you it's something urgent? we were told this pandemic would magically disappear without any real trouble. a couple dozen cases. today did you hear what our president, donald john trump,

said to calm and reassure our nerves, that we will do everything we can to keep us safe as we reopen and that he will make it his life's focus because that what a president does. did you hear him say that? me either. not a damn word from trump as this country is just struggling to get our heads and our hearts, let alone our hands around processing such loss so quickly. suddenly he is now at a loss. not even a tweet. listen, don't come here tonight for more obsession on this b.s. distraction about what trump says he's going to do to twitter or any of the social media platform. it's a bluff, all right? don't be a sucker. i'm not. here we're going to focus on real righteous indignation. why do we still not know how to reopen safely? how do we make sure that the

painful costs that we mark tonight at least comes with some renewed sense of purpose to do more and better? tell us, mr. president. be enraged and engaged on this, real victims. not painting yourself as a victim. you're no victim of nothing, except your own mouth. the executive action you keep talking about taking, take it on this. take on doing what we need. this is a country in a paroxysm of pain from a pandemic and now reeling from another black man killed by police. protesters or back on the streets of minneapolis and we'll be watching we have new information for you tonight, we got a witness. i want you to hear what he says so you can understand the situation. what do you say, my brothers and sisters? let's get after it. >> six digits.

100,000 lives claimed by this virus. and no, it's not just some picked milestone. six digits. that's a magic number. no. it's not somehow different in terms of degree of gravity from 99,999. the amount of death is staggering. the number of arguably preventable deaths in that number should grab your gut, and the most wrenching part of this reality is that president donald john trump has not said a damn word about it. this is his concern, twitter, finally flagging some of his b.s. about mail-in voting. he's lying. they don't do enough of this. this whole thing is a distraction, and you know it. all our feeds blew up about it. now some fugazi figment of an executive order is supposed to be coming. you're being played. see it for what it is. it checks every box of his

badness for lying. spends a lot of time praising despotic dudes like kim jong un, and putin who have authoritarian grips on their countries. they could shut down a twitter but he doesn't have the power that he desires, what he sees in them. he doesn't have the power to overrule states on reopening or override them on churches and he doesn't have the power to regulate or close a social media company. he should read the damn constitution. and they don't have the power probably either. if you're going to teak any action, it would have to be congress. but the first amendment is pretty clear on their limitations as well. look, trump is not a king, except maybe in his own fantasy land. he can't do anything to twitter except, except to use it to do something to great effect. bravo, sir. bravo. you distracted us from the dead and the dire situation that you're basically ignoring because you think reopening at any price is a price worth paying for your reelection. well, not here. not here. you're not going to forget those faces from all those places,

you're not going to remain silent. you're going to be brought up and into the conversation. you are in play, mr. president. this pandemic, this is the kind of thing, a concern that should define and consume a presidency. but, mr. president, you will be defined by your indifference to the plan, the dire consequence, the indifference to the deaths. no plan to stop them any time soon. no national testing and tracing strategy. people begging you to do it. better minds around you trying to fit a way to get it in. but you, liberate the states and it's all going to be fine. worse than what he isn't doing is what he's doing instead. lying to you about covid's capability early on. and now that we're trying to reopen and clinging to this simple act of minimal separation, which can actually keep us safe and cut this

pandemic short, that's in the white house's models, it's not out of my mouth, just wearing a damn mask. even that. even that trump has chosen to oppose. forget about not making it a big enough deal, not making maga masks and keep america safe masks and cashing in. he does that so well but not here. why? why? ask yourself why. think about it. why would he make masks a right-and-left issue when they are just reasonable. why would he do it? mocking them as a function of political correctness? there's only one reason. he believes the more real this virus, the more is slows down reopening america. reopening is key to his reelection. that's all he cares about. he does not care about you. bring it on.

i know, here comes the hate parade, back your boy. i get it. i respect you as the base. i understand your frustration. i understand why you're mad at the governors and the governance, i get it. and i get that you see him as an agent of your pain and your outrage. he is not doing what you think he is doing. things are not getting better. there is a shameful indifference that pales only in the light of his latest slight, 100,000 dead and a president says nothing. is that really who you want as the agent of your outrage, is someone to go in there and make a difference? not even a tweet. what is trump ultimately doing? he's playing the victim to you, his base. spouting off baseless claims. he is a demagogue. he knows you're angry. he knows you are scared, and he is using it on you. he is focusing on what divides

us at a time that we are already dangerously divided. this is a moment that is begging for somebody to bring us together. contrast trump's silence -- first of all, when is he ever silent, let alone on a day like today, with joe biden's sympathy for the country's loss. listen to biden. >> there are moments in our history so grim, so heart rendering that they are forever fixed in each of our hearts, a shared grief. today is one of those moments. >> this isn't some pitch for biden. i want to ask you, those who say, you know, biden, he doesn't have it, what is a president supposed to do on a day like today? why does that come so naturally to him and our president is silent? what does it tell you if biden in your opinion isn't up to the task but he's able to do that?

and the guy who you think is so great is quiet? listen, from the base, for the open minded, i keep telling you, we have to leave on each other in this. we will not be led out of this by washington. it's not going to happen. it would have happened by now. we must do it together as ever as one. i know it's trite but it is true. the question we start with tonight is the only one that matters. we want to reopen. we want to get better. how? that's where we start. dr. sanjay gupta, we bring him in, our best resource. thank you. there is something coming across the wires that people can hear, the printer. you don't get more urgent than that. two big things crossing the wire. three takeaways from what we're calling the six foot study, that six feet distance itself may not be the prophylactic we thought. let's start with that. you've seen what there is to see

at this point from this study. the idea that six feet, we were wrong about it, it's not as good a solution in itself. do you buy it? >> well, i think that the six-feet thing was always a bit arbitrary. six feet is not a magic number. i think what this paper is published in science is really making the case about is saying is you have got to consider the environment overall. so, chris, who are your close contacts? when you were diagnosed, they probably tried to figure out who are your close contacts? some were obvious. what really constitutes close contact? part of it is someone you spent time within six feet, at least 15 minutes. a person that was not wearing a mask. you start to add all these things in together. i think what really came out of this paper is look, if you're inside in a small space or even if you're greater than six feet away from somebody who has the virus, you may still be at risk. it may be influenced by that

smallness of space. it may be influenced how the air is traveling through that space. outside is going to be better. all these things. i think it's hard to apply certainty here, chris. >> right. >> people want certainty. is it six feet or 6'2"? it's never going to be that easy. by abiding by the basic principles, you're still going to mitigate the spread. >> and look, my takeaway from this paper is the unknown is very dangerous here, and the mother we learn, none of it is comforting. and it just adds to the urgency to me. you got to pay attention to this, you got to start fighting that fatigue, it's got to be over. this has got to be the end of it when we keep learning things that are troubling. all right. six feet is not enough. it's somewhat arbitrary. we've got figure it out. why? because indoor spreading is so dangerous. now they added another feature to it. not only are we denser, more packed in, that proximity, but something they call aerosolization, what it can do in the air. what does this paper suggest about it and do you buy it?

>> if you think about respiratory droplets, you think about someone who is talking or sneezing or coughing and you have a little bit of virus in the droplets. it doesn't go very far typically. it falls to the ground. people might touch a contaminated surface. if you are talking about true aerosolization, a lot of scientists describe that as the viral particles get suspended like dust. if you ever look at a sunbeam going lew the room you see all the dust in there. if the virus can attach to those particles, it can spread more freely around the room and farther distances. most of the virus seems to be within these respiratory droplets. i think that part is still true. but again, what these scientists are suggesting based on their models is there are some viral particles that do get attached to this dust, they get suspended, and they can move around the room. how pathogenic, how sick those particles can make somebody, we still don't know. as you point out, we're still learning along the way.

it makes this case, the case i think you're making in the beginning of the show, if you have limited information, if you don't have certainty, how do you then act? how do you make decisions in a situation where you have limited information? many countries around the world where they have hundreds of deaths, not even thousands, let alone 100,000 death, they just acted aggressively. they didn't have a magic therapeutic. they had the exact same information we did. how did you make these decisions? all the questions you're asking tonight will help inform going forward. >> dr. sanjay gupta, you are a gift. thank you very much for being with me tonight. all right, new jersey remains second only to new york in the number of coronavirus deaths in america. it's not about blame. it makes sense. it's right next to new york, a huge travel hub, a big state, a lot of diversity. there is a lot of commerce. governor murphy warns the crisis mode of the pandemic is not over, but he's also sharing some

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we all know the risk with taking the summer off, right? the less we do with distancing now and dealing with the virus directly, the concern is we'll pay for it in the fall. a second wave is not an if. it's how bad is it? and the answer to that is going to depend on our tolerance for the restrictions that come with all we want, to get reopened, to get started, to get back. where you'll see that tolerance tested first will be in states with more density, right? let's discuss that with the governor of one of those places,

new jersey's phil murphy. god bless you and your family. good to have you back. >> chris, it's good to be back. thanks for having me. >> what did you learn about where people in your state are, what works, what needs to be tweaked? >> listen, we've had several weeks of good data on hospitalizations and icu beds and ventilator use. so we've been able to begin to gradually open things up. we had the beaches open for the weekend. we didn't learn as much as we hoped because the weather was lousy. notwithstanding our restrictions on capacity and social distancing and wearing masks, it's probably still too early to tell on beaches, but new jerseyans have been extraordinary from day one in terms of doing the right thing. as we continue to open up, i have a high degree of confidence we'll continue to do just that. >> i know it's really important for you to contextualize,

improving numbers. you always say understand why. it's what we're doing. it's not that the models were wrong or that i was lying to you or i was falsely concerned, it's because of what we're doing and if we stop, the numbers will stop moving in the right direction. is that still true to the same extent? >> 100% the case, chris. by the way, it's not as though we escaped this without a heavy toll. we have over 11,000 precious brothers and sisters we've lost in this state. but you're absolutely right. i keep saying listen, progress is great, but we're not in the end zone yet. this is factual. in the here and now if you look at hospitalizations per capita, new hospitalizations per capita, new fatalities per capita. we're still the top handful of states. we are the did densest city in state in america. you alluded to that. it's usually a huge asset for us, but we're paying a huge price in this case. >> what does it mean to you the president has said nothing about 100,000 lost in this?

>> listen, i will say this. i know what we've done in new jersey. this is now at least a couple of months ago. we lowered all of our flags to half-mast, and they have remained at that level, and they'll stay there. secondly, each day in our press conferences, i know you've seen them, we eulogize a handful of folks that we've lost. the fear i have is as important as the data is and, believe me, we are money ball about this and you've got to be, we can never let it become abstract. we have got to remember that these are precious human lives. i speak privately with families each day of loved ones who are lost. these are just extraordinary human beings and we've got to remember that they lived, that they had extraordinary lives, that they leave behind family and friends who will never forget the impact they've had. >> now listen, governor, i'm not trying to get you sideways with the president, and i respect your efforts. that's why i invite you on the

show. how difficult does it make the job that you say, look, you got to wear masks. i'll show you the data and the models. the president says, yeah, if you want to be a pc pansy, you need to wear one of those masks. it's a joke. they want to beat me and they're trying to scare you into this covid thing. how do you deal with that? >> we've been able to find a lot of common ground with the trump administration and i'm grateful for that. that doesn't mean we're going to agree with everything. i don't pull my punches, and i know he doesn't pull his. i would just say this, i call it the holy trinity. by the way, i was watching sanjay religiously before you got to me. social distancing, washing hands with soap and water religiously, and wearing a face covering. i think those are the three -- they're little things, but they are huge game changers. my wife and i lived in hong kong in the late 90s. we've got lots of friends there. they've got about a million fewer people than new jersey, a

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all right. we've got breaking news out of los angeles. people who are enraged at the death of george floyd have turned violent. now look, i know people don't want to hear this right now, but i'm not calling it a protest when it involves violence. that's a riot. all right. i want to show you the video of what's happening there. it's graphic. and you're going see someone get injured. but apparently the guy you're going see get hurt is awake and

alert now. the video from the scene shows it was a black lives matter demonstration. and that's why you'll see the white people there also, smashing the back windows of a police cruiser with a skateboard. at several point one people jumped on to the cruiser. that's how this guy fell off. he must have knocked himself out when he did. and he was motionless there for a while. the other cop car stops right next to him, obviously to address the situation. he gets attacked. and that's a riot. i'm sorry. when you attack the police and you commit crimes and acts of violence. i know that dr. king and others spoke sometimes a riot is the only voice of the voiceless. but it just changes the meaning of a moment. and even in minneapolis, which is what sparked that, this is there. and the police chief said look, this matters. people have to come out. they have to show their outrage. they have to show their fear. they have to show their shock. this is a way to do that.

i only see leverage lost in these situations when you become what you oppose, when you become anger without purpose, especially in a situation like this. i'll keep an eye on minneapolis for you, and just so you know, we are working this case every day. we're not having it just fed to us. we haven't seen the body camera footage yet from the police. they'll say this is an ongoing investigation. my counterargument to this is you see those people out in the street? this isn't happening in a vacuum. okay? the court of public opinion matters in situations like this. this is not a vacuum. that video has to come out asap in all of these cases, okay? why? well, what have we seen? george floyd pinned on the ground with an officer's knee on his neck for a long time, leading to his death. new surveillance video obtained

by a nearby restaurant shows floyd's initial point of contact with police. now, here's my understanding of it. an officer escorts him out of an suv, responding, according to police, to a supposed forgery in progress. that's what this was. this is what this started as. it wasn't a shoot-out, wasn't a drug deal gone bad. it was a bad check. once handcuffed, floyd sits on the sidewalk. moments later he's escorted away, hands behind his back. the end of the video, it's unclear what happens, maybe you can tell better than i, but he appears to fall on the ground as they walk him toward the squad car. watch. right now. you see him go down? i don't know if he hit his head or whatever there on the side of the vehicle, i don't know if he fell or was pushed to the ground. the officers then have him back on his feet and it's not clear at what point he was back on the ground again as we see in the infamous video. what happened then and in the moments after? video is all we have right now. they're the ones with the body cameras on.

this is why they wear them. so until we get it, we have to work the story and get eyewitnesses and we have one. donald williams. he says he was there calling on police to let floyd up and watched as he was taken away in the ambulance. that is our witness. you just saw him. this is him. this is our witness. so this is our proof that he was there, okay? he's here for his first tv interview. mr. williams, i know this is not a discussion that is easy for to you have, i know you don't feel completely safe having it. i thank you for taking the opportunity to do it with us tonight. >> yes, sir, yes, sir. >> so, please, from what we saw there, how did you come upon the scene and what was your initial take on what was happening? >> it's a lot for me to take in. but i was really an average day to the corner store. honestly, i was really going to

get something to drink from the store in the neighborhood. i chose cub to go to, and once i approached the store, i seen three squad cars outside the store. i didn't really think too much of it. i live in the city, i'm from the city, things happen in the city. there's a lot of different things that happen and the police got to do their job to protect everybody and what not. that's what was going through my mind. i was like another day. as i was getting out of the car i was hearing a lot of noise and different motions of voices at different tones, you know. when i was about to walk in the store, like, my spirit just kind of stopped me. it was like maybe you shouldn't walk in the store, maybe you should go over there and see what's going on. i usually just mind my own business, you know, unless i don't need to. >> what did you see? >> as i was walking over there, i seen a couple people standing there, i seen a squad car and one asian officer, officer tao

and i heard people vocally speaking to an individual about, you know, maybe you should -- cooperate and you're okay now. maybe they're going to be able to let you up. i started hearing when i was walking another guy talking about he couldn't breathe and something about my stomach. i've been working with the minneapolis police department through clubs for the last ten years. i walked up and doing personal security, i just sat there and observed first to see what was going on, to see if it was, you know, what was going on because i didn't know. and first thing i noticed was, you know, i didn't know his name at the time but i think his name is gray floyd -- >> george floyd. >> george employed. floyd. and he was actually panting for his life, begging for his forgiveness. pretty much saying he's sorry, he's going to do the right things, he want to get up, his stomach is hurting, he can't breathe, his nose is hurting. once i realized the officer on

was on him, everything he was describing to me sounded like -- >> how was the officer on him? >> he had his knee across his neck, you know. i'm not talking across the back of his neck, i'm saying across the blood part of his neck from here to here. his knee wasn't from here to here, which is your spinal part, it was from here to here, your articles and your blood, veins and things like that, things that cut your circulation off from your neck and your brain to your body part. >> for how long do you think it was like that? >> i got there -- at least eight to ten minutes because another witness walked up a little bit after me. and at this time i'm -- you know, you can hear my voice in the video explaining to the officer what he is doing, what he is capable of, what they could not be doing at the moment, you know. >> did anybody explain to you or did anything make sense to you about why were they just sitting there with this guy with his knee on his neck and the

officers around? why did it take so long? >> well, see, like i said i didn't know what was actually going on. if you hear in the video, i actually ask him, what's going on, officer? this is when i finally approach because people saying there's blood coming out of his nose and i'm noticing now. his eye is turning a different color and he's talking about his belly hurt, which is pretty much your last bowel movement in your life. so that's when i started, you know, pleading with the officers, you know, and nobody else really -- there was only two or three other people who really spoke up about it, me another guy and the lady, off-duty fire department lady. >> did they give you any explanation as to why they were keeping him there and why it was taking so long? >> they told me he was resisting arrest. when he told me resisting arrest, i said officer, he's not resisting arrest. you have your knee on him and you have handcuffs on him. he is detained at this moment. officer tao proceeded to say

this is what drugs do to you. this is not what drug does to you. drugs don't get you killed by a cop. >> either way, they seemed to have him well under control. >> correct. >> did you make any sense why they didn't just pick him up and put him in the car and arrest him, which is what the job is? >> right. i didn't make no sense of it. i work with police in minneapolis. me as a little guy, i'm able to secure and control someone, you know, at 5'6" that's 6'10" if you're using the right technique. and they technically was not using professional technique. >> no. nobody is trained to put their knee on somebody's throat as a suppression technique. it's not part of a martial arts, it's not even allowed. forget about fair fighting. but this is not what cops are supposed to do. obviously we know that too well now. >> yeah. >> but the part that makes the least sense, did any of the cops, did you hear them talking to each other about why they

couldn't just move him and get him out of the situation? >> they wanted to kill that man, bro. they didn't speak. they didn't say nothing. the in his eyes, the man had his knee on his chest, bro. the shimmy in the man's neck, he knew what he was doing. it's just like having a jujitsu stroke, if i'm here, i shimmy, i shimmy, i shimmy, the choke's on there. i told the man it was a blood choke. he knew it was a blood choke. he put his head down. he did not make any more gestures and did not say anything other thing. the two other cowards on the other side of the car i didn't know nothing about. i didn't know about it until i got videos in my social media and things like that. there was an intent to smother my man and kill my man. i seen it in his eyes, his demeanor, and i seen it in their movement. and officer tao, he didn't

partake any, but he had control of what was going on the other side of that car for me not to see what was going on. because the people that know me personally know how i am. i'm a control athlete. i'm a controlled person. you know, i have different levels who i am. i showed my controlness out there in the world. i got people who know me who said i was the most controlled i've ever been in my life, to see a man who looked like me, that feels like me, that has the same complexion as me to lose his life who had no senses, who has no feeling, who has no remorse, he has no shit in him, doan even think he had a heart. he's going to hear that the rest of his life. hearing this man, i can't breathe, i want my mama, he died two years after his mama died. two years, i'm a mama's boy. that hurts deep down. something need to be done. >> i know this is hard for you,

especially having been there and that you wanted to help and that you were afraid this was going to happen. and i know the police tried to get you out of there and supposedly there is video of you showing restraint and just pushing hands away from you but not engaging with the officer. i know that's not easy in a situation like that. >> it's not, man. like i said, i'm a trained athlete, bro. i put my hands up because i didn't know what he was going to do next. i doesn't understand i have multiple limbs, i could have did what i wanted to do. i have my own kids, i got a family. you know, it was so much emotions running into my -- yeah, i was chosen for this. i don't know why i was there. i was guess i was chosen for this, bro. >> listen, these situations, as you said, growing up where you are, you've seen a lot of

this. you've seen a lot of ugly situations and things that don't make sense. and hopefully the only hope we can have here is that this is one too many and that this gets the attention of justice that it deserves. i know there's been a lot of frustration in that city, and i know this is hard for you. i appreciate you telling the story. i appreciate you sharing your emotion. i'll check in with you right after the show and see how your heard and your heart are, all right? >> yeah. i just want to say one last thing. i just want the say something to my mom and my family and my dad and my parents, for making me who i am, give me the energy to do that, my teachers, my coaches, my support system in general, the wrestling world, the mma world, we need to make a change right here. we make it happen as a wrestling community and mixed martial arts, as a black community, as america, we're a family. as black community, as america, we're a family. we got to make a change, bro. >> you know what, you're right. i'm wrong. this is a community discussion. you're living it there, you're living the reality, you're a set of eyes on the situation, you

saw the duration. do me a favor. if it's not too painful for you, stay with me a few more minutes. let me bring in the mayor, jacob frey, all right? mr. mayor, thank you for joining us. listen, i just respect him so much for relaying what he had to watch. you and i can only imagine what it's like to see something, let alone the identification that someone like mr. williams has, there but for the grace go i. that is not a message you want in your african-american community. as you look at the circumstances right now, how are you seeing the due process of justice unfold here? >> well, we need to have honesty right now and we need to have action. that video that was just referenced was horrible. i mean, for five straight minutes a white officer on our

police department pressed his knee into the neck of a black man who was handcuffed, who was no threat and was articulating very clearly how he was impacted, how his physical health was being damaged and how he couldn't breathe. this is not an instance of one or two seconds where you're forced to make a split decision. this is like five minutes. that's 300 seconds and in any one of those seconds he could have decided just to stop. he could have decided to listen to community. >> one of those officers could have told him to stop. i mean, i think one of the main questions for you to reconcile for your community is why did it take so long? whatever their story is about how he was resisting arrest and they needed to do this because -- maybe, who knows. but the duration winds up destroying the rationale,

mr. mayor. have you been told anything about why they said they had to do this for so long and those other officers just sat there? >> no, i have not heard anything. for the last 36 or 48 hours, i've been asking myself that core underlying question why is the officer that killed george floyd not in jail right now. and i can't answer that question. and because of that, that's why i called for the county attorney to charge the arresting officer earlier today. that's why we need to make sure that we are seeing justice, justice for our black community, justice for george floyd, justice for our whole city. there have been so many people who said what do we need to do to start the healing?

we can't start the healing until we stop the bleeding, and it is very real right now. >> there's a meme going around, i saw from d.l. hughley's site. it's no the that racism is rising, it's that it's being seen, that these videos are showing us practices that don't bear any explanation other than the most ugliest explanation. and one of the reasons i kept mr. williams is you've got a lot of guys reich mr. williams in your community. i think what he did deserves respect, weighing in in a situation like that. you can often become caught up in it on the wrong side of it pretty easily. that's bravery and that's citizenship. what do you say to mr. williams and so many young black men like him who hear this story and say i could be next. that could have been me? >> well, first, i thank mr. williams for coming on the show, for speaking his truth.

it is that kind of speech that we need right now. it was honest, it was forthright and i'm so sorry. i'm so sorry that he had to witness that just horrid, horrid act. and you pointed out something that is correct, chris, which is this is not just about this one instance, this is not just about that five minutes of time. we're talking about 400 years worth of this kind of racism. we're talking about 400 years worth of practices that this incident has stood on. and justice is the first step in this case, but it's not just about this case and we still have a long way to go. >> mr. williams, is there anything else you want to say? >> yeah, you know, i just want

to tell everybody in america, you know, like i've been through this before. this is actually my second -- multiple times actually being a black male growing up in the city. back in high school when i was like 15 to 16 kid got killed in north minneapolis, you know. my barber was filling me in. why was i part of this, a piece of this? it comes back when i was a kid. north minneapolis killed an unarmed black kid when a kid copping from a park leaving a party, about to miss curfew. we were running to get home. our fear was the police. we didn't want to get call for curfew. they shot him in someone's back yard. i been through this already. it was letting them know, this is why you are here, bro. you got to speak the truth about america. we got to make everybody unite, man.

for governor frey, man, we have to see action, bro. we have to see action from north minneapolis to south minneapolis and northeast all together. we need united from the police department to the fire department, to the mixed martial arts schools. you should be making these officers, they should be trained in mixed martial arts in a regular basis. they should be able to tase someone without a gun or any point. >> thank you very much, first of all. mr. mayor, he makes a couple of good points there. one is this comes back to not just what's in people's hearts but what's in their heads. you got to be trained in what to do are and what not to do. i don't know if that's what this situation is about but we've certainly seen that play out in other ones. and transparency is really important too. it off takes way too long for people to see what happens in cases like this. we're told that the body cam video exists. is that your understanding as well? if so, do you know anything about the status of its release?

>> a few pieces to comment on. first, you're right that this particular technique is not authorized in any form. it is not part of the training. we've got all sorts of training from procedural justice training to implicit bias training to wellness training. our chief, who is a real leader in the black community but also a leader nationwide for chiefs for police departments has been instilling these values, and this runs counter, totally counter to everything we've been pushing for. one of the pieces that we pushed for was body cameras. we came in, there was about 50%, 55% compliance in turning the body cameras on and now there's like 95% compliance. that's the first step. the second step is to get them released. and we have laws at the state

level that prevent the automatic as soon as is humanly possible. and that means at a point where it's not going to hinder the ultimate charging decision and -- and -- and the investigation that would lead to that charging decision. i've made, very clear, that i think the arresting officer needs to be charged. that needs to happen. it's -- it's -- it's an unprecedented move, as far as i'm aware, in our city or state. but, you know, there's all sorts of protocols and precedence that are like baked into the walls of city hall that will tell you that you shouldn't act, that you shouldn't do this, that you shouldn't speak out because there's something -- you know what? like, this is an instance where it needed to be said. >> mr. mayor, i appreciate it

and, look, justice is fairness, under law. there's got to be due process. but when it comes to truth, transparency is truth and truth is trust from a community. and if they see what happened, with their own eyes, they can judge it and they'll know how it's judged by others as being fair or unfair. mr. mayor, thank you very much. donald williams. >> chris, let me say one more thing, if i could. >> yes, mr. mayor. >> thank you so much. you know, a core duty of mine, as mayor, is also to keep the peace. and that duty doesn't go away during times of difficulty. in fact, it is even more important and so i am imploring our city, i'm imploring our community. this is on all of us. our police officers. our community. all of us, right now, to keep the peace. >> right. and look. this needs to happen. people have to come into the streets. they have to voice their outrage. it is -- it is an echo of collective conscience. and people do know that when you turn to what you oppose, and you become what you hate and you start committing crimes. and you start becoming violent, you change that leverage. you change that dynamic. that said, it is easily

understood how emotions often run high. mr. mayor, thank you for making that point. mr. williams, thank you for making all your points. donald, god bless you. i hope your head and your heart settle in this situation. and i'll call you after the show and check on you. all right. thank you, both, very much. >> thank you. yes. thank you. >> all right. we're going to take a break, and then we'll be right back. thank you for being with me for that. when you think of a bank, you think of people in a place. but when you have the chase mobile app, your bank can be virtually any place. so, when you get a check... you can deposit it from here. and you can see your transactions and check your balance from here. you can detect suspicious activity on your account from here. and you can pay your friends back from here. so when someone asks you, "where's your bank?" you can tell them: here's my bank. or here's my bank.

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it's one person coming in from china. and we have it under control. >> 15, within a couple of days, is going to be down to close to zero. >> it's going to disappear one day. it's like a miracle. it will disappear. >> zero. turned into five zeroes, with a one in front of it, today. 100,000 gone in america. three months. since the first coronavirus death. this tragedy isn't just measured

in the six-digit dead. but in the inaction. i'm reminding you of what trump said, not just to cast blame. this isn't about got yas. it's about what we haven't gotten. many in our government underestimated what we faced back then. but, unlike all the rest, trump clung to his fantasy. he never caught up because he's never wanted it to be true. his reassistance resistance comes from the ugliest insistence. how do you know he's still stuck in that kind of denial? well, how else do you justify no mention, by our president of this country, passing 100,000 dead? i'm struggling with how to even understand that number. i know that to those who lost someone, or, in too many families, more than one. the size of the pandemic, the

size of the death, is not what overwhelms. they're overwhelmed by the depth of the loss. families are shattered. for the rest of us, the scale should fuel our collective conscience there but for the grace, go we. the series of deaths that continue unseen, and that's a big part of this. many times more over three months than in the single day of devastation on 9/11. but, there, we saw the devastation, the falling towers, the scenes that are seared in the hearts and minds of way too many of us. way too many of us changed forever, on that day. but, here and now, 100,000 dead. and just the other day, trump said he wouldn't have done anything differently to change where we are. >> what would you have done differently facing this crisis? >> well, nothing. we've done, you know, amazingly

well. >> 100,000 dead. explanation? just one. shameful self-preservation. you question that? remember this. >> i don't take responsibility at all. >> i don't take responsibility at all. a president who takes no responsibility for what happens to america in a time of crisis. you've never heard that before. here is the scariest part of the milestone to me. we're setting ourselves up for more. if we stay on the same course we're on, as we reopen, and don't do things differently, a lot more lives will be lost, needlessly. if we don't do everything we can. if we keep finding reasons to do less, here's the tough question that we're going to have to answer. each and every one of us, because we're all in this together. trite but true, my brothers and sisters. what i do, i do for you. what you do, you do for me in mind. that is the truth. here is the question that we're going to have to ask at the end

of the day, when we are truly unmasked in this reality. can you live with knowing that you basically decided it's okay that others will die because you don't want to do more? thank you for watching. cnn tonight with d lemon right now. >> i have got a question for you. >> yes, sir. >> so, in that same vein, because we're talking about this, these viruses that are infecting america. imagine when you said what i do for you, i'm doing for me. what i'm doing for me, i'm doing for you. imagine if that was me on the ground, how you would feel, as a friend. as someone i spend a lot of time with. imagine how people around this country feel when their friends, like you. -- both of us are different background -- when their friends say nothing, when they do nothing. except send out a tweet or say, oh, man, that's terrible. i can't believe that happens. and then, when they see everyday racism, they don't stand up for it. imagine how that feels, t