his absence in leadership on this. and he just wants to foment disruption, you know, when the hooting starts, the shooting starts. that's the old nixon may book. >> let me jump in here. you mentioned the president. he tweeted out last night, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. a phrase that was used in 1967 by miami police chief who had a long history of bigotry against the black community. he tried to clean it up. let's play this and i want to hear what you have to say. >> i've heard that phrase for a long time. i don't know where it came from. >> in 1967, the miami police -- >> i've heard it many other places. i've heard it for a long time. frankly, it means when there's looting, people get shot and they die and if you look at what happened last night, and the night before, you see it. it is very common.

that's the way it was men and that is the way it was supposed to be meant. i don't know where it came from or where it originated. >> what do you think of that? >> he has this history of having heard stuff. having heard that you can, ted cruz' father was involved in the kennedy assassination. having heard that joe scarborough murdered a staffer. this guy heard stuff. he doesn't take responsibility for passing off this stuff. it's ugly. >> who are the leaders right now? who do we look to? who should america look to for guidance and inspiration in this moment? it appears to me that you're saying it, and many more people

as well, saying we can't look to the white house for this sort of leadership that we need in a moment like this. who are the leaders? >> i think we have to look for the people and communities who are doing the real work. i do a podcast. i had the founders, their leaders. another one of the terrible things that has been revealed in this. we have now one out of five children who are, don't get enough to eat in this country. we have all these disparities and access to health care. it is the people that are taking this stuff on, those are the leaders, and they're in our communities and in our states. those are our leaders. >> former democratic senator from minnesota, thank you for

joining us, al franken. thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. >> absolutely. >> so it is just past the top of the hour here. 11:02, almost 11:03 eastern time. the 11:00 hour in the east coast. it is central time in minneapolis. a city that is under curfew tonight, supposed to be, at least, hours after a former police officer, derek chauvin was charged with third degree murder in the death of george floyd. his bail is set at a half million dollars. despite the curfew, protesters have been facing off on the streets of minneapolis tonight and protesters have been clashing with police across this country, we're carrying it all for you live on cnn. sarah sidner is with us from minneapolis. ed lavandera in dallas. we have our reporter in minneapolis as well. if we can put up the scenes and see how this is all playing out

around the country, miguel, let's give to it miguel. thank you for joining us here at the top of the hour. you've been marching around and around. you said this started in one part of minneapolis, and now you have marched through downtown, and so on and so forth. how much ground have you covered? >> this is a good workout. now we've exited off the 35 w. it is not clear where they're going now. they've lost some of the protesters but most have stuck with them. it is now strung up a long way, along 35 w. they may be moving past the fifth precinct as well. check this out. turn around this way. they have not only protesters

walking now, but they have several cars who of joined the protest as well. it is now a merry caravan. it is worth pointing out that it has been entirely peaceful. sometimes angry. but entirely peaceful. a few people doingya feety. when they saw them, they would shut them down. make then stop doing it. bottle throwing, which is not uncommon. for the most part, they've been very, very peaceful. they haven't been destroying anything. they like to take it out on the media, as everybody does. rather than yell at us and throw stuff at us, not in a mean way.

we'll be fine. we are looking at the number of people coming off the freeway now. i'm guessing they lost half the protesters here in this long march along 35 w. >> well, we would rather not have the foul language but we'll take that instead of property damage and fires and fighting. yes. you're right. we're an easy target but we can take it. thank you, miguel. another part of minneapolis i want to take you to is where we find sarah sidner. you're doing a lot of walking. where are you and what are you seeing? >> i'm just taking you, we're going as close as we can. this is the post office here. and i think it is getting a reflection of a dumpster fire to your left. the fire is there. it is just reflecting. dumpster fire here. this is shane's garden, a

chinese restaurant. and to your left, you will see the stop and shop store that is also a gas station. and people have been kicking at it and starting to sort of kick down the boards that were put up. now we'll go back to the precinct. just giving you an idea what it looks like out here. we'll walk down toward the precinct. you can see where everything is. this is not the third precinct that has been burned. this is the fifth precinct. as we walk past here, as you see folks gathered here, you can see folks coming out of the stop and shop, taking whatever it is they want. they did finally get into the actual building there. just to the left of that, is the

fifth precinct. and we are finally seeing police officers standing on the top. standing on the top of the fifth precinct there. they have the telltale nonlethal weapons we've been seeing the whole time. they are either bean bags or rubber bullets. something that can shoot gas cansters, flash bangs. so far they have not deployed that but several times they have pointed the nonlethal weapons. you can see someone trying to breach right now. that will be met. there are four officers you can't see, but if you come here, they'll get you a closer shot. that is a protester standing next to a cameraman. if somebody breaches that fence, you will see four officers come forward on the top of that fifth precinct and point their weapons down trying to keep people from

breaching that fence. people have fallen back just because they can see that there is going to be a whole lot, a whole big whiff of gas in their face, or a rubber bullet if they get over that fence. >> sarah? are these the only officers you're seeing? go ahead? that's right. we have not seen officers since we walked from lake in minihaha, we have not seen a single officer, except, don, when we first got here in the afternoon before it got dark. before it got dark, there was the state police, a line of police all the way surrounding the perimeter. there were the sheriffs deputies behind them. and then when they fell back, the national guard rolled in with their military vehicles.

they came in fairly large numbers. not larger than the number of protesters here. they fell back. they fell so far back that the protesters could not find them. they were walking where they were going and then ended up three miles or so out to the fifth precinct. now their ire is focused here. because as you know, the third precinct is damaged. they attacked it. >> it looks like a tourist attraction with people going in and out. i see people walking in and out, probably ogling, oh, this was a police station. the officers on top of that fifth precinct, can you tell what kind of weapons they have? is it serious stuff or is it rubber? do you know? >> i do. we've been seeing these same

weapons on top of the third precinct for the last 48 hours. they are nonlethal weapons. they certainly have lethal weapons on them but what they are hold is gone nonlethal weapons. either tear gas, rubber bullets, bean bags or flash bangs. >> sarah sidner. we'll get back. this is our breaking news. we have breaking news in this case against the fired minneapolis police officer, derek chauvin. bail was set at a half million dollars. chauvin was arrested and charged with murder and manslaughter in the death of george floyd today. i'm getting to the criminal defense attorney joey jackson who has some information for us. he'll walk us through all of this. a half million dollars bail for this fired officer. your reaction tom first. >> my reaction is that we are in some troubled times. sole times, you having these conversations with so many people. what's going on, right?

we're here again and it is a different name. my reaction is one of, what is this country becoming? the fact that we have a case like this, you have someone putting a knee on a human being's neck for nine minutes, three of which, they're nonresponsive. it is disgusting and outrageous. my first reaction is not a legal reaction. it is a human reaction. where is the human an? so yeah. the fact that we have to talk about this again and again and we have this divide between the police and the communities where there is a hacking of trust, for good reason. a total disconnect for good reason. there needs to be a gap that is bridged. we're in a really bad place and we need to move out of this place and change the whole culture of what is going on. so that's my first reaction. >> as i'm looking at the information here that i have

from you, this is partial information. you have a much fuller context. i understand you have the bail documents, right? >> what happens is you have the warrant of arrests. what that is, a probable cause statement in terms of the facts of the state. i think we don't need to go through those facts. we know what we saw happen and we don't need a rendition from lawyers who otherwise indicated, occurred. so after that, or before that, what are you going to charge him with? the document also consists of the charges. what do we know? we know that one charge is third degree murder. what does that mean? then the manslaughter. what does that mean? and then i'll get to the bail. third degree murder. people are asking. what is it about? you don't have to show intent. normally, we're talking about murder, people are thinking about deliberation,

premeditation, lying in wait. you can have something else. it is called depraved indifference. your acts were so void of humanity, it means you did something so inherently dangerous that knew or certainly should have known that it would lead to a death. you just acted in such a castle way. that without intent to be murder. that is what is charged. it is punishable with 25 years. that's on the document. so if prosecutors don't get that as they move forward, they have another theory. what that is is manslaughter. and manslaughter says you can act so carelessly, you can act with just such a lack of care and disregard that you considerationly disregard the risks in your careless behavior that someone could die. that is manslaughter. it is punishable by ten years. that's also in the document. and then you get down to the issue of, what about bail? bail is generally given to someone to ensure their return to court.

let's be clear. there are some instances where people face murder, where in facing that murder, they're remanded. what does that mean? it means there is no bail you can pay me. you're going to be in custody. they didn't see fit to do that here. what they did was offer a half million dollars bail. what that means is he can make that bail, or could have, some reports, maybe he did, that he can make that bail. he puts up 10% of that. so that is essentially what all of this is about. >> joey jackson, thank you very much. we'll get back to you if need be. you see the pictures of los angeles. some new information. take us through what you're seeing on the streets. >> reporter: we're seeing an incredible presence by the los angeles police department. i'm going to see if we can move you a little closer so you can see how the police officers right now, they have created a

line here. this is the main artery through downtown los angeles that we've seen protesters try to get on the freeway, try to block traffic. and what we're seeing now is the l.a. basically splibtering the protest group and we're in one small group. i'm going to turn you this way. this is one small group of a number of groups spread out across down los angeles. so the way police are handling these groups is the crowd control. trying to use their batons. trying to use their helmets and shields. we're moving? and remember, the police officers right now, we can see that they're trying not to touch people. we're in the middle of a

miami-dade. th -- of a pandemic. what we're seeing are protesters getting right in front of the faces of these police officers. the other thing i want to point out, don, a lot of these people who are here on this roadway, they have cell phones. so that is something you are seeing these officers being cognizant of that. >> we'll get back to you. i need to get back to washington, d.c. and my colleague brian todd is there. take it away. what do you have? >> a very tense event here in front of the white house. they have tried to reinforce these steel frame barriers. these protesters are resisting. a lot of confrontation here with the police. pushing and shoving, water being told, bottles being told. our photo journalist david brooks is elevating his shot here so you can see what the

secret service police are doing to try to hold this crowd off. but this crowd has been very, very angry and confrontational with the police here. every time it escalates, the crowd seems to be policing itself a little bit. they're trying to get people to back up as the barriers get pushed more toward us. it has been a real tug of war for the last, i would say, 30 minutes here. and it has gotten violent at times. this is the third time today that the seasonable in front of the white house has gotten violent. the same situation here with the barriers being put up. protesters knocking down the barriers, confronting police. that happened earlier today. there was a scene where the seek service police led a gentleman away who they were trying to apprehend and the crowd turned on the police, throwing objects at them. beating them. that was earlier today around the 6:00 hour. let's see if we can get a view of what's going on here. again -- >> ed, we can see what's

happening. someone is throwing something at police officers. we've lost ed momentarily, excuse me, brian todd momentarily. we'll get him back. you can see the protesters pushing the barricades trying to pull them away from police officers. and it looks like they're doing a pretty good job and they've gotten them away. the police officers are right in front of the white house at lafayette park. >> some are saying hands up. don't shoot. we'll stay with this. this is right in front of the white house. and a very large police presence here. brian todd is not with us.

i'm just wondering howl people there are out there. as soon as they get plugged up, we'll show that you and we have this one as well from one of our other photographers. they pulled it away very quickly there in front of the white house. if you look to the left, they have erected a wall of sorts. i'm not sure if they did it because of this. behind the wall is the normal gate to the white house at lafayette park. now protesters yelling, black lives matter at the officers there. it is interesting, when you take, when you look at the difference between this and the los angeles police department. listen, washington, d.c. used to dealing with this. probably one of the most

protected cities in this country, if not the most because of members of our government and the president, obviously. the difference between this police department and the one in los angeles. los angeles police trying not to touch anyone. and yet this police department is struggling with folks and they have no other alternative if they want to keep the barriers erected and keep that distance and that space between the protesters from the white house and keep them from getting any closer and possibly breaching that wall. these officers showing considerable restrain here with the protesters who are getting in their faces. which is what officers should do. as we watch these pictures, this scene may out in washington, d.c., remember there are others happening around the country. a police officer just got pelted with something there in the crowd. you saw to the left of the screen there. as we watch -- there we go.

you get an idea of the size of the crowd. it is pretty considerable in washington. again, police officers getting pelted with, i'm not -- who knows what is in those bottles? so far here we have not seen the rubber bullets come out, we have not seen the tear gas come out, we have not seen the flash bangs. just police officers or officers of the law. there they are bringing more objects being thrown into the crowd. i'm being told by producers, we have brian todd back. he's on the phone. you're right in the middle of this crowd. we're watching this crowd throw things at police officers and there is a struggle for the barricades. what are you seeing? >> i've gone back and forth

between both sides. it seems like the protesters have gotten the upper hands. they've been able to rip away parts of the barricade and just toss them. and then the police will go in. bring another part of it and try to reenforce. when they do that, the protesters confront them. they throw things at them and the police try to hold the ground. it has been a very intense time for at least an hour now. and these protesters are not going away. the secret service police are trying to get a handle on just how they can keep this crowd at bay. they have not made any arrests that we've seen. it has been very, very intense. that noise is just another part of the barricade. we did see a secret service police officer get injured and taken away. a woman. she seemed to be okay. she was able to walk away under her own power and was helped by a colleague.

this is the third time, don, that it has gotten violent in front of the white house. we witnessed a similar seasonable here with the barricades and the push and pull with the barricades a few hours ago. we witnessed a scene where the police were trying to take away a protester and other protesters turn on the police and pounded them with fists and bottles. that actually braexd the treasury department complex. they had to haul that man into the treasury department building. >> a couple things if you allow me to explain. the wall in front of the white house. it has been a minute since i've been, well, been to the white house itself. the barrier that you see there is part of the wall project? they're building a new wall. this new thing that they've built, this temporary fence, they're building a new fence that is 13 feet tall. the white house fence there.

you see this temporary fence that has been erected in front of white house and it has been there about a year now. my question to you is, when they are struggling with these police barricades, the secret service police, when the protesters grabbed these barricades and push them back, what happens to the barricades? do officer run and grab another one in do they go into the crowd somewhere? >> the officers will run off, grab other barricades, come slide them over, try to reinforce, again you'll see a push and pull with the protesters. they have successfully ripped out and hauled away a couple of steel frame barricades that we've seen. we've seen about eight or nine feet long. four feet tall. so they're not easy to carry around. people have been able to haul them away and toss them. so yeah. the police do seem to have reinforcements that they can run

and get. but it's not, just a very violent struggle here. >> brian todd? i want to you stand by. you're seeing two different scenes in two different cities may out. one in the east and one in the west. los angeles on the left of your screen. 8:25 p.m. pacific time in los angeles. and then it is 12:26 -- 11:26, here on the east coast. and in washington, d.c. so you're watching these scenes may out. a moment ago on the left-hand side side of the screen, you saw live a police car, a los angeles police vehicle being vandalized. someone trying to break out the windows. someone else drawing on with it a marker. since then, two officers have gathered in front of the car and they're pushing the protesters back. so again, two different scenes, two different cities. two big american cities onight, protesters have gathered, police are trying to hold them at bay. so far it appears to be no big

fires, as there were last night when minneapolis was burning. other sighed of the break in just moments.

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attorney in the past. we're so happy that she's here joining us. thank you so much. let's talk about these murder charges. murder charges are now filed against chauvin. does the family feel any relief or justice from this? >> of course not. the charges that the d.a. office lodged against derek chauvin are charges of a lesser included offense. the daflt should have started with charging him with first-degree murder. you have the charges starting off that only carries 25 years. and so you're looking at a situation where the police officer is more than likely, trying to get off and nevertheless, received just a slap on the wrist. so no. the family would like for those charges to be enhanced to first-degree murder. we see a battery taken playing

when mr. floyd was taken out of the vehicle and later, a knee is placed on his neck which facilitates the crime of murder to enhance it to first-degree murder. >> i want to ask you, the county medical examiner writes this. the autopsy revealed no physical finding sthat support a diagnosis of traumatic as fixia or strangulation. he had hyper tensive heart disease. the combined effects of mr. floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death. what is your response? are you concerned about the implication of any of this? what he wrote? >> i'm highly concerned. when you have a coroner more than likely, he is a coroner

that has worked the police department on numerous occasions involving excessive force cases, there is a serious problem when we actually witnessed the police officer's knee on the, on mr. floyd's neck, and mr. floyd was saying, i can't breathe. in fact, in the state of probable cause, the statement says that mr. floyd had indicated prior to that time, had told the police officers that he couldn't breathe when he was standing beside the police cruiser. now, derek chauvin pulled him out of the vehicle. mr. chauvin, mr. floyd fell, and then we saw the officers put a knee to his neck. we saw two other officers in third video, one on his back and one holding his legs down. that in itself showed that when mr. floyd is saying, he can't breathe, shows that there's some

type of oxygen be getting to his lungs or his brain that would inhibit him from being able to breathe. so yeah. we see asphyxiation, we see strangulation. so the coroner report is false. >> so the obvious follow-up question to that is, an independent autopsy. are you going to conduct one? demand one at least? >> the family will be demanding an independent autopsy. it is paramount that an independent autopsy be conducted. i'll tell you why -- >> did we lose her? >> -- that is being -- >> can you start that over? we lost you. >> i'm sorry about that. i said, we see the same old typical reports from coroners that work directly with the police department. when you have the coroner

working directly with the police department, you're going to get the same type of reports that is trying to exonerate police officers from their culpability. you do not see the officer, or the excom, put his knee on the neck of george floyd. that is not in that report. so the report is flawed. >> carol powell lexing, who is working with benjamin crump, the attorney. thank you for your time. >> thank you for having me. >> we're watching these scenes play out all across america. protesters in minneapolis ignoring the curfew as outrage spreads over the death of george floyd. i want to get to a break and then we'll discuss. we'll get back to the streets and discuss whatever we have left to discuss here. we'll be right back.

so breaking news, derek chauvin has been charged with murder in the death of george floyd. this is the breaking news. this is a statement from his ex-wife's attorney. soon to be ex-wife. so it says in a statement from the family law office, the

attorney for kelly chauvin,. here's the quote. it says, this evening, i spent with kelly and her family. she is devastated by mr. floyd's death, and her utmost sympathy lies with this family. with his loved ones and with everyone who is grieving this tragedy. she has filed for dissolution of marriage to derek chauvin, the statement said. while miss chauvin has no children from her current marriage, she respectfully requests that her children, her eldest, her elder parents, and her extended family be given a safe safety. derek chauvin was arrested today, charged with third degree murder and second-degree manslaughter in the death of george floyd. his wife has now filed for divorce.

dissolution of marriage, which is a divorce. so protestors now in minneapolis, ignoring a curfew. i want to bring in the owner of the night clubl where both george floyd and derek chauvin worked. so this is the owner of the club in south minneapolis. also, we have reached out to derek chauvin's attorney for comment on all of this but we have not heard that. thank you for joining us. >> hello. >> you never thought would you find yourself in this position that you would be on international television talking about two people who worked where you were, in your employ. it is difficult to watch this tape. americans have been shocked and horrified by it. but you knew both these men. give me your reaction when you saw that video. >> i was horrified. i was absolutely horrified.

my heart really goes out to this family. has the very tight-knit community. just a disconnect between the community that is here in minneapolis and the cops. >> so earlier today, you said that your children felt afraid around african-american men. what makes you say that? tell me about him? >> an interesting situation with him through 17 years of being at a club. there were times when there were little altercations, and wanted to talk to people and comprehend what the situation was.

he would be pulling out the pepper spray. so that was just my truth. that i felt there were other ways relating to people. >> what did you think? >> i did have a few words with him on a couple of occasions. you know, police always have a way of defending themselves in those situations. >> tell me about those situations. you said you had a few words with him. what did you say? how did that conversation go? >> something like, why did you have to spray everyone? if there were a couple people fighting, you could have just apprehended them. why did you have to spray everyone? whether they were involved or not? >> and he didn't do that when there were other people in the club when they were not

african-american? >> i'm not going to say he never had issues with our customers. but i know that he felt more comfortable with the latino community than did he with some of our urban crowd that we would get with different promotions. >> we have not heard. thank you. we appreciate you joining us. stay safe. >> thank you. now i want to bring in senator amy klobuchar of minnesota. i appreciate you joining us. this must be surreal to you. your city is reeling right now. what do you think of these protests and how police are handling them? >> i don't know if the word would be surreal. it is very, very real. i love this city. i live here. i love this state. and people are in so much pain. anyone that watched this video,

that had an ounce of humanity saw what we all saw. a man's life evaporate before our eyes while a police officer had his knee on his neck. that's the pain that i see in the faces of my constituents right now. that's why you see people protesting, hoping that people keep it peaceful. that people eventually come home here tonight because we need to rebuild our city. we need to heal. the best way we heal, don, to take some very major actions when it comes to systemic reform of our criminal justice system. people are hurting. our african-american community is hurting. >> it was clear that minneapolis could not control the situation. the protests were violent for the previous two nights. someone even died on wednesday. did the governor wait too long the intervene?

>> no. the governor is balancing a lot of things. people have a right to protest. we must keep our community safe. and you look at some of the businesses that were torched or destroyed. they are many, many small businesses. or somehow, rocks thrown through windows. you name it. these are places owned by our people of color and our community. george floyd worked at some of these places, and our heart is with his family and his friends today. there were murder charges being filed. you know that. but it is important to note that both the justice department has said that they have opened up an investigation, and the local state attorney, the county attorney has said that there may be additional subsequent charges. i think it is really important for people to know that. this is a first step, not a last step. there has to be major systemic

reforms. a patterned investigation of this police department. i called for that today and wrote a her with my colleague tina smith and 25 senators. this has to change. and hiring practices and training, the criminal justice system as a whole. there are so many things we can do. but right now, we want our community to heal. >> listen, this is something that you want to address. the officer charged today in george floyd's death was involved in a shooting of a stabbing suspect but was never charged. you left for washington a few months later to be senator so this was not your decision. but some say it was skin with your record of declining to bring charges against multiple officers involved in shootings. do you think that's a valid criticism? >> let me address the first point. that people throwing things out there on the internet saying i somehow declined this case. that is an outright lie.

the case was investigated and the, my successor took that case and about eight, anybody months later, brought it to the grand jury. so i was literally not in the office. i was sworn in as a senator. and i frankly until today have not gotten to address this. i've been working with reverend jackson, working with keith ellison, with our faith community, working with people out there trying to do everything we can right now to address what is before us. that's my job. but i do want to address that now. secondly, the bigger issue that you raised, don, and you and i have talked about this before. back then, police involved shootings, they would go to a grand jury. that's a good practice.

and ask ask a >> i just can't do politics tonight here. i have so much respect for representative clyburn and, in the end, joe biden's a great vice president. he's going to make the best decision, on whoever he wants to govern with. and i know he's going to bring compassion, as you saw tonight on your show. and he's going to bring competence to the white house. that's the most important thing. and he'll pick whoever he wants. but tonight is not the night to talk about politics. >> all right. senator amy klobuchar, i appreciate you joining us and i appreciate you addressing all of that. thank you so much. good luck. stay safe. >> thank you. >> by the way, how is your husband doing? >> oh, he's doing much better. he's -- gave his plasma for a second time this week, after getting over the virus. but he's doing much better. >> thank you, very much. senator klobuchar, appreciate it. we're going to be right back, right after a quick break.

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spreading around the country over the death of george floyd. police and protestors facing off in multiple cities. i want to discuss now with cnn political commentator, the author of "my vanishing country" and also blair kelly, the author of "right to rise, street car boycotts." she is assistant dean at north carolina state university. so glad to have both of you on. you know, i have been saying

that we have two viruses here. we've got covid. we've got racism. at what point can black men stop paying the price for the fear of other just for, you know, being around them? >> i don't know the answer to that. i hope it's when our children come of age that they no longer -- going out in public and judged just by the color of their skin and risk death because of it. but i want to correct something people are saying on air, and it's driving me crazy here, in my home. that this protest is not just about george floyd. it's not. and when people are looking at these protestors, this rebellion that's going on around the country, i hope they have some empathy. because these people are going home, we are going home. black folk are going home, brown folk are going home, and drinking dirty water, going to poor schools, not having access to quality care. so this is bubbling over. this is about the fact we have a george, an ahmaud,.

this is bubbling in the street. people don't just sit home and say why are they doing this? this is a lot. but i hope some people actually try to put themselves in the shoes of black folk in america. >> dr. kelly, i want to bring you in. tonight, you know, protests are spreading all across this country. a long history of this. 1968 was when dr. martin luther king jr. was assassinated. rodney king. you had ferguson. baltimore. you had minneapolis. you heard bakari mention about the conditions which african-americans are living. all these people demonstrating against injustice. what has changed over time? what has stayed the same? >> i think what is changing for our generation and this generation of young people that we see, full of grief and struggling with anger, is a reminder that this is a hard

time. this is a hard time. and the burdens of the previous generations, the hopefulness that we had. they're just not coming to fore. they're not being seen. and i think so many people, now, see themselves in this case. they see their own suffering. we have to reconnect this story back to the story of the coronavirus pandemic. we have to remember that we are suffering from unimaginable levels of unemployment right now. that so many people don't have a job. aren't clear on exactly how they're going to care for themselves. and they see themselves in the country that doesn't care about that, to the extent that it should. and it doesn't care about their -- their everyday lives. and so, the devaluation of black life is profound, at this point. i'm in the grief and the outpouring of rage is a response to this. we have to remember that there were moments of riots in the

past, right? often, precipitated by something that seemed individual suffering. but it became a collective response to a time. i think we're in a different time. i think this is a particular moment. we're all dealing with and we'll remember this in history. >> bakari, what happened? something seems to have changed. the dam broke. something -- obviously, you know, with the death of george floyd. but this -- i mean, quickly spread beyond minneapolis as you look at what's happening here. is this -- was this just the final straw? >> people are just tired of this stuff. had to catch myself, don. my mom is watching. but people are just sick and tired of this. i mean, you know, it's -- it's -- you know, we can't even agree in this country. and i appreciate what she said. i mean, what she said is so valuable because we cannot even agree in this country that black lives matter. i'm not saying that my life matters more than anderson or

cuomo or allison or john. i'm just saying that my life matters. and as soon as we say that, we draw the ire of people in this country, half the people in this country, screaming and yelling at us. >> hang on one second, bakari. sorry about that. listen. there was a -- just a violent confrontation happening now between police and these are the secret service in front of the white house. and protestors. and you see a protestor in the middle, trying to stop this confrontation from happening. and i think it's -- this is an indication of exactly what we're talking about. the frustration that is happening with people who are out there, among african-americans but, also, all americans are frustrated by this. african-americans are living it and feeling it. but i think all americans are -- or many americans, i should say -- are frustrated by it and they realize that it's time for a change. so we have been watching these scenes all play out.

i want to thank bakari and i want to thank dr. kelly. and i think what both of you said is very profound. and i appreciate you joining us. and listen. we are going to be covering this until the coverage isn't warranted anymore. but, right now, we're in the middle of it. we're in the height of it. and i want to get to my colleague, now, chris cuomo, who is going to continue our breaking news coverage. which, chris, we start with these pictures coming from the capital, from the white house, people are angry. they're upset. and there you are. a faceoff between police and protestors. >> look. this is the scene that we've been seeing, don. you have been covering it tonight with our people, obviously, ably on the ground. what we see right now is a breaking point here in front of the white house. the shields are often an indication for pockets of more angry people to come. test the shields. if they're barriers, they test the barriers. now, the challenge for police in what you are watching right now is what do you do with the people you're wrestlin w