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every day. today. >> it should never happen. should never be allowed to happen. anything like that. we turn to the most certain thing there is. welcome to our viewers in science. the united states and around the world. i'm john king in washington. science can overcome diseases. create cures. and yes, beat pandemics. anger at the needless death of a it has before. it will again. black man in police custody in because when it's faced with a new opponent, minneapolis exploding into it doesn't back down - it revs up. destructive rage and violence. asking questions 'til it finds what it's looking for. this weekend images from a few demonstrations and that's the power of science. confrontations last night. this is new york city. so we're taking our science and unleashing it. our research, experts and resources. police van in flames there. all in an effort to advance potential therapies and vaccines. that's union square looting and other companies and academic institutions mayhem. also in the east village. are doing the same. similar scenes playing out in the entire global scientific community los angeles, chicago, denver, is working together to beat this thing. washington, d.c., and more. at least 25 cities imposing and we're using science to help make it happen. curfews. because when science wins, we all win. 13 states in the district of columbia activating the national guard to help keep order. in des moines, iowa, chants that

remind us how it began. but if you look to the land, it's a whole different story. "i can't breathe" from farms to backyards, wheels are turning. [ chanting ] >> those were george floyd's seeds are being planted. animals are getting fed. words in minneapolis as a white police officer pinned floyd's neck to the grounds to his and grass is growing. and families are giving their all to the soil knees. his gasps for a chance to because no matter how uncertain things get, breathe ignored until he could breathe no more. these were scenes from the land never stops. minneapolis last night. here, listen, please, an so to all those linked to the land, we say thank you. important voice from a peaceful we're here for you because we all run together. protester there. >> i want to be able to feel safe. i want to feel able when a cop is driving behind me to not clench. i want to be free and not worry about every step i take. at the end of the day, being born black is a crime to them and i don't understand why. we're all humans. >> the challenge now? to somehow, somehow find a circuit breaker.

>> we live in a world, in a city, where we neither accept in an unprecedented crisis... the death of unarmed a more than $10 billion cut to public education african-american men the wrongful killing of unarmed couldn't be worse for our schools and kids. african-american men. nor do we accept the willful laying off 57,000 educators, destruction of our making class sizes bigger? neighborhoods. >> with us this sunday to share c'mon. the reporting and insights is schools must reopen safely with resources for protective equipment, cnn political commentator van sanitizing classrooms, and ensuring social distancing. jones, omar gimenez, and john tell lawmakers and governor newsom don't cut our students' future. pass a state budget that protects our public schools. eligot. omar, you're on the street this morning as you have been so many days in the past week. minneapolis has become a fuse, if you will, for the nation. >> it has, john. and the pain that we have seen in this community has resonated not just around the country but across the world, frankly. stemming from the horror we saw unfold on that cell phone video of george floyd with an officer

kneeling on his neck. it sparked protests that have been largely peaceful during th boiling over. evening hours is that it tends protesters and police clash on to american streets. rioting and burning and some of >> this is not a protest. this is chaos. the destructive images we've >> have local leaders lost seen. last night may be the first control? i'll speak to the mayor of st. significant night where we did paul, minnesota, melvin carter. not see that happen here in the mayor of atlanta, keisha minneapolis. in part, because the leadership lance bottoms. and maryland governor larry here had beefed up their law hogan, next. and "i can't breathe." enforcement presence. we were just around the corner in the evening hours yesterday the death of an unarmed black outside the fifth police man, george floyd, sparking precinct here, and we had not seen a law enforcement presence anger and grief. like we saw last night. they methodically moved up the so many lives unjustly cut short street with a huge force as americans wonder what clearing protesters out of the street. not hesitating. shooting crowd dispersement into the crowd as protesters were literally retreating. we didn't see the burning buildings we saw here in minneapolis, though -- i should say like we saw across the country last night as many

places are feeling the pain. >> so, john, this is your bead. i ask you the question -- many writing about this. the anger, at the root of it, while shocking, should not be a surprise to us because of the sad history here, right? >> yeah. in a way, it feels like things happening all over again. i remember back in 2014 in ferguson, we're hearing the same anger. the same, you know, frustration we heard back then. we're hearing issues of people talking not just about how the police treat them but the root causes and things that lead them to live in a society in which there's have and the have not. for a lot of black americans,

it's like a broken record playing over and over again. that anger welling up. you see it spreading across the country. when you see black people rising up in minneapolis, people in atlanta and denver will hear it. it will spread across the country. and i think, you know, we have to careful when we look at the anger and whatnot. there's the rage and outpouring on the street but when you get some of the violence, that also kind of evokes a different kind of emotion. you see people like the mayor of atlanta they had to kill her mic and other people speaking out about the violence. there's a careful balancing act between having that rage and putting it out there but, also, not losing the control of the message. i think that's what we see people struggling with now. >> help me with that struggle. as john mentioned ferguson. i remember being in los angeles in the days after the rodney king verdicts. we can talk about the '60s, the '90s, we can talk about in georgia just a couple of months

ago. what you're seeing -- my question on this sunday is where is the circuit breaker? how do you convince these people with justifiable historic anger you need to step back. you're doing more harm than good? >> well, let me just point out there are 40 million african-americans in this country. 40 million. every one of us is heart broken. every one of us just destroyed because we don't know what to tell our children now. the reason this is different -- the reason this has broken our hearts. it's not the same as the others. there's some things that are similar. what is different is, there's nothing you can tell your child that would protect them from this outcome. you know, don't talk, don't talk back, don't have drugs on you, don't have a weapon on you. none of that saved this man. that's why you sea the heartbreak. with 40 million african-americans, 99.999% of us heart broken that we are, are

still peaceful. and we're still expecting the government to do something and are on the internet and are calling friends and family and trying to push our government -- let's not forget, we're talking about a little percentage of people, number one. number two, we don't know who is setting the fires. there's reports some of the stuff seems to be coordinated not by african-americans. not by people from even the communities you're talking about. something is going on here. that said, there are two pathways now for america. we could be heading toward not the small disturbances but civil unrest. we're about one video away from possible civil unrest in 10 or 15 american cities. that's one pathway. the other pathway is this, you can have bipartisan police reform in the united states within weeks, if people would act aggressively. you can have major economic

investment of the corporation that is concerned to step up, write checks, convene people. figu figure how to get more help to these communities and have these four officers charged and facing real time, if you move in the direction of justice, economic opportunity, and bipartisan police reform. you could have a breakthrough and be better off by the end of the summer, if you don't, we'll have a break down. i have no idea where you end up with civil unrest across the united states. and the last part is the hard part. we have no idea because of this. to the point, john, to the point van was making. there's a lot of people pointing fingers now. it's a difficult thing in a difficult moment. i want do you listen here. this is the attorney general of the united states saying there are left wing activists, in his view, causing the problem. >> in many places, it appears the violence is planned, organized, and driven by left

extremist groups. far left extremist groups using ante fa-like tactics. we must have law and order on our street and in our communities. >> i think it's important for all of us, and i know the reporte reporters on the ground are doing that pursuing the message of what is happening. in the middle of this, i'm going to assume will be interpreted on the black street, whether it's minneapolis, or any other street as terribly helpful. >> i think the first point is we don't know who is setting these. i chuckle when people in washington or political folks talk about, you know, the left wing person doing this or the right wing person doing this. i think at this point, it's hard to tell that. and i think for the cause at hand, like, for black people being killed on the street, you know, if it's not about left or right issue. i think people often talk about it in those terms. i'll speak to this level of

anger. i remember the first night i got here, i went to the third police precinct after it had burnt down. i was talking to young individuals out there and i said you know what do you think about the destruction? they're like, you know, it's not something that, you know, we necessarily want to our see our community burned down. we have tried kneeling, we tried being quiet. we tried doing this in a peaceful way, but, like, where did that work? this is maybe what it takes in order for people to pay attention and maybe this is what has to be done. and that makes me think back to ferguson. if that hadn't burned, whether we like to admit or not, there's a chance that a lot of media and attention wouldn't have gone there. there was a gas station that burned early in the cycle and immediately after that you saw media attention. for better or worse, that's been the, you know, the attention of the nation focuses on these things whether there's a lot of unrest. the question is how do you

channel that unrest? that rage? don't let the unrest overtake them. >> and omar, on that point, in the week you've had there, including your own taken into custody for awhile, you cannot ignore the pictures of the unrest. you cannot ignore things burning. you cannot ignore violence. we must not ignore the protester we played at the top of the show just talking about i want to be able to drive in a car and if a cop pulls up behind me, pulls into the lane behind me, i don't want to have to cringe. i don't want to be afraid. that's what van talked about. what do you tell your children? >> that's something that the governor has spoken on. whenever he comes up in the press conferences. specifically i think back to a few days ago during his press conference when he tried to lay out what a pathway forward would look like. and he said it started restoring order. i think we saw glimpses of that

last night. he said it's going to move toward trying to get with justice, which we have not seen either a decision for or against for all four of these officers. and the last one, he said, is going to come down to rebuilding trust. he said trust that was not displayed over the course of the week but trust that has been frayed over the course of generation between law enforcement and some of these communities here. when you look at how this particular case unfolded, this played out on camera. this played out in front of witnesses who are pleading with officers to stop what they're doing because they could physically see this person was losing consciousness or at least becoming less responsive. so to have an example like that, this goes back to what van was talking about. a lot of people here don't know what to tell their kids or their family or their friends to do while interacting with police officers. the interaction may not represent every single police officer in the minneapolis police department, it does

represent the department by being one of them. so that, i think, sticks with a lot of people. it will extend way beyond this week. it'll be an uphill battle for people here. >> if you look at the history of that department, they have a long history of trouble that many in the community, as you reported, believe hasn't been dealt with appropriately. thank you. up next, president trump weighs in on the unrest urging minnesota leaders to get tougher and to restore law and order.

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the shooting starts." he tweeted. on saturday the president tweeted that minnesota leaders were too soft. >> they've got to be tough. they've got to be strong. they have got to be respected. these people, it's a lot of radical left, bad people. >> we cannot and allow a small group to wreck our cities and lay west to our communities. my administration will stop mob violence and we'll stop it cold. >> the unrest is playing out in the middle of a pandemic and fine months from a presidential election. in a statement saturday night, as many protests turned violent, joe biden, issued a statement saying we are a nation in pain but we must not allow this pain to destroy us. we are a nation enraged but we cannot allow our rage to consume us. we are a nation exhausted but we will not allow our exhaustion to

defeat us. on friday, the former vice president said he had spoke within george floyd's family. >> we're a country with an open wound. it's time for us to take a hard look at the uncomfortable truths. it's time for us to face the deep, open wound we have in this nation. we need justice for george floyd. >> the "washington post" joins us and still with us. john eligot. to the point i was making about the president, his reflex is combat and conflict, it seems, at times, in the middle of this out of touch. >> right. the nation is crying out for comfort, direction, and guidance and the president seems to be very much focussed on being the law and order president. being tough. even glorifying the fact that the secret service was getting into fights and scuffles with protesters outside the white house he was safe and he was watching when things got violent

outside the white house. we are seeing a president who has glorified in the fact he believes he is a tough law and order president. he's not speaking to the broader systemic issues. a couple of months ago, we thought the election would be about the economy and it changed and seemed like it was going to be about the coronavirus and the pandemic. now it seems like racial violence, racial tension, police brutality is going to be a key part of the election and it seems like these two candidates, president trump and former vice president joe biden are taking completely different approaches with president trump really wanting to crack down on protesters sort of saying this is about antifa and anti-government, anti-american protests instead of the broader systemic issues a lot of protesters are talking about. joe biden appears to be speaking to some of the broader issues, trying to start a national conversation over the issues that many protesters are taking to the street over, it just remains to be seen how the

country will respond to that and whether or not president trump's law and order approach is going to have the same impact it did have four years ago when he was able to take that approach and convince a lot of voters to give him a shot at being the president. >> and jo, john, we know from t polling president trump doesn't have much political standing in the african-american community. my question is a little bit more broad in the sense is there any trust, especially among the younger african-american community as they see the former vice president trying to strike an empathy note at a time the president sounds more, if you look -- he said he didn't know when the looting starts the shooting starts came from a racist miami police chief in the '60s. l i think the question is, as you travel the country and cover this issue, is there trust for any politicians? >> this is -- things are already so tense now, especially among african-americans, you know, when you talk about the coronavirus and the disproportionate impact on the african-american community. you talk about this and the open

wounds this has revealed, and people are still on edge that however and whoever addresses this needs to come at it in a way that shows an understanding. not just a depth of understanding but a depth of problem solving. i think there is a frustration, a level that we don't want -- we don't just want someone who is going to tell us what we want to hear and not follow it up with action. in some ways, you see that in minneapolis. it's a mostly white city but it's also very politically progressive. people talk about racial injustice a lot and racial injustices yet they have the largest inequalities when it comes to black and white people here. larger than any other big cities. this some ways it's a microcausam of that issue. we don't just want people to tell us what we want to hear and we want something done. for joe biden, it's going to be key that he comes in and doesn't just say vote for me because i served under the first black president or because i'm a

democrat. it's going to be key he says what he wants to do. and i think trump his pitch to black americans has been look at the strong economy. you know, and now we see that is in trouble. we see that. [ inaudible ] >> i think john's shot froze there. back to you. i'm sorry. did we get it back? all right. we'll try to work on that. one of the issues here is the president sometime goes back and forth. he'll issue the combative, thugs, law and order and then ten minutes later or the next event he'll talk about how terrible it was to watch the video. how horrible to watch the video. the lack of consistency is the only consistency, if you will. >> yes, we've seen that from this president for quite awhile. part is he and his campaign have been trying to reach out to black voters, at least make some efforts to show that they aren't

taking the black vote for granted and the president tried to talk about his record and speak about african-american issues and issues relating to criminal justice in a way that shows more empathy than he did four years ago. in part, because i think his campaign officials realize he can't continue to be in the single digits with such a large chunk of voters and expect to win re-election. i think that's part of the reason he has been somewhat empathetic to the plight of george floyd's family, the idea this was an instance of egregious police misbehavior and he is trying to separate that from the broader issues of racial inequality, systemic racism, things the president and his supporters don't necessarily want to talk about. they want to talk about this san isolated incident. that's part of the reason you're seeing this inconsistency. the president can say that what happened to george floyd was a tragedy but he doesn't want to talk about the broader issues that happen in the african-american community and with police brutality more widely. he has often voiced his support

for police. he said this idea of black lives matter movement is against what he believes in. against the foundations of this country. he attacked colin kaepernick for years for kneeling to protest against police brutality and i think that's part of the reason you see the inconsistency because the president's heart is not in it when it comes to addressing the broader issue of racism. it's not something he believes in. >> that's an excellent point. thank you for your help and reporting today. up next, a reminder of how it began and the painful history. this is george floyd's brother. >> to kill a what you was trying to say was forgery and you killed him for that? you couldn't restrain him in any way to put him inside the car and take him to jail. you killed him. that was hatred. that was just hatred.

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more images of the unrest across america this weekend. there were arrests in more than a dozen american cities. among them atlanta where the mayor tried to make the case by turning violent the demonstrators choosing that path were undermining the more important cause. >> i am a mother to four black children in america. one of whom is 18 years old. and when i saw the murder of george floyd, i hurt like a mother would hurt. this is not a protest, this is not in the spirit of martin luther king jr., this is chaos.

>> and van jones is back with us along with a civil rights attorney and head of the minneapolis chapter of the naacp. let me start with you, this is a version of a question i find myself asking the doctors almost every day during the coronavirus pandemic. how do we make today better than yesterday? >> well, one way to do that is to charge all four officers involved in the killing of george floyd. i mean, it's really that simple. in terms of letting people know that our government is serious about holding police officers accountable a opposed to making excuses. if civilians had done what those officers did, they would be in jail by now. >> there's no doubt about that. van, i want to show, there were third degree murder charges and second degree manslaughter charges against the one officer, derek chauvin who the world has seen with his knee to the neck

of george floyd. it's not just this. i want to put on the screen there's nobody here, you know, condoning burning on or looting or violence. this is just since 2014, to look at the history, this is just in the last six years. we could go back 60 years, we could go back a couple hundred years, if we wanted. i guess that's the point i was trying to talk to you earlier. how do you find a circuit breaker when you know president obama issued a poignant statement about this. former president clinton last night issued a powerful statement about this. joe biden has been speaking. the mayors have been speaking. the question is on the street, is there trust for any are the voices they're hearing or almost everybody, regardless of party, viewed as part of the problem? >> well, you're going to have to do what was said before. you are going to have the officer charges. the one officer getting third degree or fifth degree.

i've never heard of a third degree murder charge. i'm an attorney and i'm 51 years old. to normal people, you get 57 charges and you plead down to four. if you get only one cop out of three minor charges and plead down to a traffic ticket, it won't work. you to have to serious charges. i'm glad the fbi is engaged. keith ellison of the state attorney general needs to be engamed by the governor to have multiple levels of engagement. that's number one. never two, you have to have a federal bill now. you have to have a federal bill. a monday morning first order of business get a bipartisan group together at the white house or someplace else. a lot of this stuff is well known. some of the qualified immunity stuff you can't sue the police officers individually. there's a lot of stuffs you can begin to fix and suddenly you begin to restore the checks and balances. the last thing is this, especially for my conservative friends, if you're concerned

about lawlessness, so are we. there is common ground on lawlessness, but lawlessness in the police department is what opens the door to lawlessness in the streets. so if you want to be a part of this, send the message from the right that you do not want more lawlessness from police departments. we're going to denounce the riots and, by the way, hats off to mayor lancebottoms. she put it down. there are a number of us denouncing this at the top of our lungs about the property destruction. we're dealing with that. you step up and deal with the lawlessness and the police department. nobody wants peaceful streets more than african-americans. join us to have law and order in the police precincts as well as on the streets and we'll get through this. >> and where is that in your city where this began. in the sense if you look at the himself i are of this plafr officer, the one who has been charged, mr. chauvin, a number of complaints and, again, in the community saying these review

boards just sort of brush it aside. you have a relatively new police chief there who promised to work on this. what is the level of trust at this moment that those in charge at this moment are committed to doing what you believe needs to be done? >> i think, at this point, the level of trust is pretty much zero for the overwhelming majority of our elected officials who should have been working on this issue a long time ago. we've been protesting here since 2014 in solidarity with folks in ferguson, missouri and folks in new york after eric garner was killed. tamir rice. we've been pounding the pavement, literally, since 2014 trying to ring the alarm and saying that by refusing to hold police officers accountable that our government is opening the door to the types of uprisings we see now. our warnings have fallen on deaf ears. with regard to the cop in

question who was actually charged with charges, as you all were just discussing, this is not his first murder. he also had 12 excessive force violations. so why was he even still on the force in the first place? there are a number of killer cops, cops who have been abusive, cops over criminalize our community collecting a paycheck, sets themselves up to collect a pension, and controlling our streets. it makes us feel as if we're under siege and many people are afraid. it's unacceptable. so those same mayors here and across the country who are now on television crying and asking people to stop the violence should have been proactive when they started to see the reports about excessive force in their own cities. it rings disingenuous at a time of crisis for them to now dial things back when they had every opportunity to be pro active about addressing these issues.

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scenes on streets across america today week. 100,000 u.s. deaths because of coronavirus. a milestone we passed in this past week. a quick look at some of the numbers here. here is the 100,000. it goes up like that. we're at 100,000 and counting. february 1, 5500, march and april the big month now. does may it's about equal but what will the final number be in may as we move into june? one of the frustrating factors here, we're watching african-american pain now. the coronavirus hitting african-americans 12% of the national population. 25 percent of the corid 19 deaths hitting

african-americans. if you look at the map. we talked about this before in different places. in d.c., blacks are 44% of the population. 76% of the covid deaths. in michigan, 14% of the population. 41% of the deaths. you can see it playing out. south carolina, louisiana, illinois. the deaths among african-americans in disproportionate numbers to their populations. a lot of new cases, too, also coming out of minority communities. 24 is the governor of new york saying everyone needs to get on top of this. >> those are not disconnected situations. one looks like a public health system issue but it's getting at the inequality and health care also. and the george floyd situation which gets at the inequality and discrimination in the criminal justice system. they are connected. director of harvard's global

health substitute and dr. megan is an emergency physician and researcher at brown university. doctor, i want to start with you. the sadness on top of the sadness in the sense we have talked for weeks now about the disproportionate impact of covid-19 on the frirm community. if you look at new cases now, whether it's l.a. or new york, it continues in terms of the new cases coming forward even as we try to fight this. i don't know the right words for it. >> yeah, good morning, john. i think there are no right words. the disproportionate impact on the minority communities is overwhelming. we were caught flat footed on this part of the response. we didn't see it coming. now, i think, as we go through the summer and fall we have to re -- our efforts. >> this is a question i've asked the two of you have been gracious with your time for the last couple of months on sunday

morning. i ask are we better today than yesterday? where are we? it's a grim question to ask when we know we're at 100,000 and counting. >> across the country, deaths have been by and large plateauing but there are new hot spots. i think this week, more than any week, is so important to call important to the racial disparities many of us have been talking about for months. beknow that blacks are two to four times more likely to die from covid-19 compared to whites. of course, other communities like native americans and hispanics are disproportionately acted, as well. it's tied up with our country's history of structure i are sachl so historical unjustices. things like the fact that many testing facilities are drive through rather than walk through. not assessable to folks living in neighborhoods where they don't have a car. it's related to the fact that so

many blacks are essential workers. our cmas, nursing home workers unable to take time off to protect their families. lack of sick leave. so many other issues that have been tied up with covid-19 that are also tied up with what is going on today. so as you've said already, the two epidemics or pandemics are tightly woven together. >> and, dr., some the governors and majors involved in this voiced concerns. if we can show you pictures of the protesters out there. many of them out there. and most peaceful, it's important to note. but people without masks. right. and there's been a debate -- there's a political debate in this country are masks good for public health or somehow a form of governor overreach. if your mayor or governor tells you must or should wear one, now you see the scenes and have governors and mayors saying three weeks from now we may pay a price. is that a fair point to make? >> yeah. so, john, we've seen the

pictures of the party goers in the past, it was easier to say that is wrong. it's going to do more harm than good. as you see protesting the injustices that are across our land, i, obviously, feel more sympathetic to the protesters and the question is how do we do protesting safely? and i think masks are a critical part of it. i don't think as bridgement of our freedom. i think of them as a way to allow us to be more free, get out, do more things. and so i've been encouraging people who are in the protesters to wear the masks, to try as much as possible to maintain social distance. it's, obviously, a very tough balancing act and political leaders have to strike the right tone but masks are important. >> our time is short this sunday because of the other events in the country. i'm grateful for your time this morning. we will talk again. up next, amid the chaos, the anger, and heartbreak. something i hope everyone is proud. the united states is back in the business of launching astronauts from our own soil.

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we wanted to close today with a brief break from these trying times. two nasa astronauts are due at the international space station in 90 minutes or so. their trip is historic, the first manned mission to space

from u.s. soil in nearly a decade. >> there is a great view right in front of you, "crew dragon" separating. there is that callout, "dragon" now officially making its way to the international space station. >> president trump among those on hand at cape canaveral. >> those of us who saw the spectacular and unforgettable liftoff this afternoon watched more than an act of history. we watched an act of heroism. >> our next guest flew for shuttle missions and was the nasa administrator back when the obama administration decided to invite private companies to support the space program. >> by combining private sector ingenuity with bipartisan national commitment and the unmatched expertise of nasa, we're not only better able to stretch the boundaries of the possible. we're strengthening our economy and creating good jobs for our

people. >> carl bolden joins us this sunday from charleston, south carolina. thanks for being with us on this day. put this into context, these two astronauts on a private rocket will get to the space station in 90 minutes or so. why is this important for the american surpass progrpace prog? >> john, thanks for allowing me on this morning, i'm a big fan. it's incredibly important for this mission at this time for a number of reasons. one is it shores up america's leadership in space exploration. while we've never lost that lead, if people look at whether or not you have the ability to get your only astronauts to space on your own vehicles, and for the last nine years or so we didn't have that capability after retiring the sxhulghuttle running into hurdles in developing the commercial capability to do that. that's reason number one. reason number two is because if we did not have an american

capability to do this, we would have to continue to be depending on the russians and pay increasingly exorbitant prices for seats with them. and we have to keep the international space station occupied with human beings who are doing very valuable research. as a matter of fact today there is research going on on things like duchesne's muscular dystrophy. we found a salmonella vaccine. there is research going on that makes life better for people back on earth. and if we couldn't get our astronauts on there, there is a threat that we would have to take people off the international space station and leave it unmanned. >> you came back from your mission on the "columbia" ten days before the "challenger" took off, and that was a disaster. there are pictures of you back in the day.

the president was saying the united states will get back to the moon and land the first woman on the moon. he says we will get to mars. does this help with that goal? >> nothing is a guarantee but this puts us a long way down the road to attaining those goals. these are not new goals, john. anyone who studies the space program knows human beings have been talking about the moon and mars as long as i think we've been recording history. western weste werner von braun had a plan for us to get to mars. the bush administration, the clinton administration had plans in development for getting humans back to the moon after we went in the '60s and the '70s, but nobody put the money up to actually accomplish that.

president obama, when he came in, literally followed up on what had been recommended following the loss of "columbia" in february of 2003. nasa began to rely on american industry to provide the transportation to space while nasa did what nasa is supposed to be, which is research and development, exploration of deep space. that's exactly what they're able to do today because of this launch yesterday. >> mr. bolden, i wanted you here to take a break from our trying times, i wanted americans to get a sense for the gee wiz and wonder of space. in the '60s, you wanted to go to the academy and strom thurmond did not want to sponsor you, you had to write a letter to lbj. when you see what's happening across america today, what are your thoughts, sir? >> john, in all honesty, as an african-american, particularly an african-american male, one

cannot help feeling somewhat depressed. i had dreamed we would be far beyond this by now. i was writing a message to one of my former colleagues from nasa last night, dr. david newman, who was my deputy for the last two years at nasa, telling her that as an eternal optimist, i can't help believe we'll overcome this, but when we see what's going on now, it's hard to be positive. but we have to do that. i hope this mission, although some of its luster was lost in the violence and everything that's going on across the country today, but i hope that this mission, the way that space has managed to pull nations together will in some way manage to pull our own people together here in the u.s., because that is most important for us. you know, when i was growing up,

we were in the streets, just like now, fighting about vietnam, fighting about civil right. that's when we put neil moon.rong and buzz aldrin on the a nation that can do that, can do anything. we're not in this great nation o