these are the people that the mayor says they want to allow the peaceful demonstrators to come out, voice their anger and opinion and they're going to allow it. what we see late at night, as we did last night, is much different than what we're seeing here. . >> that's right. and can you tell us what -- tell us what people are chanting? i was going to comment on, as we were sort of people-watching of this protest with people uk waing by, like you said, shimon, it is a very diverse crowd, and i think we're seeing someone walk away who must be only 14 or 15 years old, it looks like. tell us what you're hearing the crowds saying? >> reporter: black lives matter. no justice, no peace. chanting, "black lives matter."

in regard to people actually wearing masks, majority of people, and there is a -- a mix of people, and they're walking with signs that say, "no justice, no peace." "power to the people." so you are seeing people who are -- i've covered many demonstrations here in new york city and across the country and this is typically what we see in new york city. i covered demonstrations from the eric garner incident, and they were peaceful, and this can go on for hours. as long as people are peaceful, the police have said they're going to allow them to march in the street and they're doing it. ip have walked now maybe 15 blocks. that's how wide these protests, the protesters, how wide this march goes. and it's going to go. and they can keep going here. the nypd is not going to stop

them. they're going to allow them to see -- you look at the crowd. it's just people happy to be together and trying to bring change, and that's what we're seeing here. >> and tell us, you know, this follows, obviously, a very hard night in new york city. a police officer who was injured very seriously. tell us about that. >> reporter: yes. so this police officer was hit by a car. the video is horrific. and was responding, our understanding, responding to a burglary ku y call and it was looters. this was a big problem last night in new york city. for hours. i'm talking several hours. it started around 7:00 p.m. last night and went through probably, i got home around 2:00 in the morning, and it was still going on, where police were chasing looters around, trying to get a

handle on the situation and it was just chaos. at one point the only people on the street were looters and the police. and -- it was amazing in some ways, just remarkable to watch, how people, these looters who came to new york city, some of them from out of state. they were in cars with out of state license plates. several people in cars with buffal bags. i saw a person walking around with a bat, well after the curfew. curfew was at 11:00 p.m. last night, as you know, and people, looters, were still walking the streets and police were just standing around, trying to guard properties. buildings, and stores, that had already been broken into, making arrests. trying to make more arrests. it really was a chaotic night for the police, and they just -- seemed in some ways unmatched. this was an organized effort.

the looters seemed to know where to go, seemed to work together and targeting specific locations all over manhattan. and many stores today, when you're walking through the streets, you can see, are being boarded up, glass everywhere. things taken from electronic stores, other stores. a tough night dealing with that. almost everything has been shut down here and so disheartening for me. i walked by a store at the end of my work last night and a watch owner, watched his entire store destroyed and was out there cleaning up the glass. trying to you know, just fix things up late in the night, and those were some of the things we were seeing last night. and to be perfectly clear and i think it's important. these looters are not the

demonstrators. now, what we see today, it's beautiful. and it has happened, and on sunday, demonstrators, thousands were out, walking the street and marching as we see here today. what happens at night is the a very different story. the thing about last night is that it started happening much earlier. the only thing i thought about was because they knew the curfew was coming at 11:00 p.m., and we were seeing so much looting by 8:00, 8:30. 10:00. just unreal to watch. as people would take metal barricades that police had set up around the city and throw them through storefronts, and city bikes, rental bikes here in new york city, using those to shatter the storefronts and then would go inside and loot, and at one point, you know, the police were just running around -- all you heard for hours here last night, breanna, sirens, police

sirens. them trying to respond from location to location. officers calling for assistance, because they were being inundated with looters all around manhattan. so that was the scene last night, and that we heard from the governor today who said that it was unacceptable. he's questioning the police response. you know, i talked to people at the nypd, sources, and they were out last night, and they're frustrated, because they generally feel they are exhausted at this point, and they don't know how it's going to end, and some are even asking for more help. right now there is no plans to bring in the national guard. certainly the state police can help. there is really no plan to do that right now. so we'll see. we'll see what the strategy is tonight for the nypd. quite honestly, so much was looted last night around new york city, i'm not sure there is everything left for some of the

looters to come back to and loot. so, but we'll see. you have to see what the police tactics will be tonight. they certainly seemed to be caught off guard by some of the activity. the police commissioner and the mayor sewtoday said they expect looting to happen in the soho area as they saw the other night, but it seems the number of people that hit midtown area and upper east side area and some of the high-end shops, i think police were surprised, breanna. >> yeah. and between that as the fact that the curfew was so late. 11:00 p.m. in contrast to other cities. i bring in brynn gingras to this situation, there covering this on the ground as welling. brynn, here in washington sdeeshgs td.c., the mayor, muriel browser, moved

up the curfew to 7:00 p.m. in contrast, the sun sets at 8:30 right now. so this is during daylight and it really shut down a lot of the city. even sort of during the pandemic as people know it here in d.c. there's no food delivery. people in general were staying home. of course, there were still protesters out, but in new york, it's a different story, and it's interesting when you have president trump and governor cuomo in chorus criticizing mayor de blasio about how he handled this. >> yeah. about that curfew, breanna. there was a lot of back and forth between the governor and the mayor. do we do a curfew, not do a curfew? they decided to do 11:00 for last night and today now 8:00. i can tell you, i've talked to sources all day who are on the ground here who are working in these protests when they turn into the violence, the looting we saw. they say these are types of

people that they don't care about a curfew. doesn't matter what time you set it. they're not going to follow it. that's not the issue. almost like focusing on the wrong thing, it seems. a lot of frustration with that. you mentioned the coronavirus. it's funny, because me and my team, my producer and photographer have been talking, and it's like covid never happened in new york city. this is a city that isn't even opened yet. we're waiting to open next week for the first time, just having construction and manufacturing back, but that's what it feels like. again, and nothing against the protests. those are going smoothly, but as you've heard many officials saying, it's the pockets of people blending in to the protests and then breaking off and causing this violence. you talk about sunlight jie was getting calls fro sources yesterday at 6:00 hearing there were item being thrown off buildings on to not only police but protesters as well. i was getting calls about looting that was happening on fifth avenue.

you can see here, macy's, herald xra square, one of the stores broken into. look at all of this boarded up area. this isn't new today. this has been this way since yesterday and the day before and yet looters were able to still break in. just think about that for just a second. boarded up, flagship building of macy's. looters have enough time to break down the boards, go in to the store, steal things and come out. echoing what shimon said. police i talked to feel under-matched at this point. they don't feel they have the resources, and i do think that's what the governor and president were sort of addressing in this comments today. that more needs to be done in this city. there are 35,000 nypd officers. that is the largest police department in the country and yet they're being out-matched. at this point when it comes to the violence breaking out from the peaceful protests. so that's a lot of frustration that's all sort of mixing in on

top of the good message that is being spread by these civil protests that are happening as you see on your screen downtown. we actually just saw one come down where we are near herald square, 34th street. likely they'll head down to join those crowds as well. again, at this point, seems like it doesn't matter what time the violence is still breaking out. doesn't matter what the curfew is and hoping something changes. it's not clear from officials exactly what's going to change since we're not seeing reinforcements like the national guard or updates on what definite tactics will be different. we're not hearing any of that just yet, breanna. >> quickly, brynn, you know, the president has talked about states using the national guard, and i wonder if that complicates the situation? certainly you have a place like new york city where president trump is not popular at all, and now the use of the national guard, which is often, you

know -- potentially a controversial decision but now even more so. does that complicate that decision, that option for the mayor, for the governor? >> i definitely think so. i definitely think there is a lot of politics in play here, but you are hearing the governor say that he wants to help with the national guard and the mayor saying, no, we don't want that help. so there has to be a happy medium that happens, whether there's even more police officers or they do the national guard. i don't know what the answer is. i wish i did, because i would love to see the city back to some sort of peace, but it's unclear what the right step is and you're absolutely right. it is sort of a politicized decision at this point but the root of it i think people feel is, let's just get down to the fact that this violence needs to end. we can't keep seeing store after store after store be looted. another example, breanna. my producer and i were driving by. there was an atm pulled from the

bank. an atm! can you imagine how many force and people it takes to get that out of a xbra? the kind of crime happening, and clearly happening when it's dark out and when no one's around and by a lot of people. seems there needs to be a lot more officers. again, the people i've talked to, shimon has talked to people and other colleague whose have been talking to people. they feel somewhat undermatched and really want the support of whoever can listen to get them that help. >> all right, brynn. thank you, to you, and shimon, for your great reporting there on the ground in manhattan. let's go down to washington, d.c. where we're seeing protests unfold as well. cnn white house correspondent sanchez is at the site of the protest. tell us what you're seeing and also, you know, we can't help but notice something that wasn't there yesterday which is these very tall, kind of fence, screen fences.

>> reporter: right, breanna. yeah. put up overnight about eight feet tall. i'll get out of the way to get a clearer picture. protesters are pushed up against them now. this crowd has significantly grown in just the last hour when we last saw you. several hundred people are here. at this time right now there are more people outside lafayette park, outside the white house, than at this point yesterday, and we're hearing chanting from them. they are calling for the officers just beyond the barrier to kneel with them. you see some actually moving the barrier, if you look down there. at this point, we've not see violence, haven't seen any projectiles hurled or anything that enjenldered the response about a half hour before curfew last night when the protesters who were peaceful were forcefully moved out of here by police so president trump can stand in front of st. john-jo's church and have a photo op

opportunity. and you two go to school here and you told me this is more about george floyd. this has been going on a long time? >> maultiple different years, multiple times, 8:46 of something kneeling on your neck? doesn't make any sense to me. >> reporter: you told me what you saw yesterday with protesters out here that were peaceful, here before curfew forced out, you called that a slap in the face? >> definitely a slap in the face. pushing all protesters out. just to get to a church to take a picture with a bible. come on, now. we stand out here, say something. he has to push everybody out. tear gas, all that from a tearful protest is a big slap. a big slap. >> reporter: thank you for sharing your perspective. breanna, again, things currently peaceful. see how law enforcement responds as this crowd continues to grow and we get closer to the curfew

still in effect tonight. >> and from howard university for us. is that right -- >> reporter: you guys go to howard? you're right. keen eye. >> boris, thank you. >> thank you, guys. thank you. >> of course. >> that's for that report. boris, appreciate it. not far from the white house you're watching boris report on this peaceful protest like the one we're seeing in new york as well. we're following large, peaceful protests unfolding. they're in washington, also in lower manhattan outside of police headquarters. i'll talk to one man who has dealt with these type of protests firsthand. stay with us. this is cnn special live coverage.

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pictures of a large, very large, peaceful protest there in new york city. this is in lower manhattan near one police plaza. near the police headquarters there. almost a sister protest is happening in los angeles as well right near the police headquarters. we're keeping an eye on what is a large animated, peaceful, very diverse crowd as they are protesting through the city here. you see that scene and embrace there among two of the protesters who appear to be friends. let's thauk about what's happening with ron johnson, former captain in the highway patrol, took over security daftr the fatal shooting of michael brown and wrote a book about it called "13 days in ferguson." you're looking at these pictures. i imagine this is what police

want to see, right? peaceful protests. walking by police headquarters. they are making themselves heard. i mean, the signs, the chants, just the sheer numbers here, and then you contrast this with what happened last night in manhattan with the looting that clearly overwhelmed police. i just -- i want to get your thoughts on these two scenes. >> you know, daytime, peaceful protesters. saw it in ferguson and are seeing it throughout the country. and they're pro testing for change. at night, of course, rioters, people out there's for ze self-gain. two different enties. also know during the daytime some of those rioters are using the peaceful protests as a shield and actually injecting themselves within the crowds of the peaceful protesters. >> and, you know, one of the things that the mayor was, has been criticized for is the fact there was an 11:00 p.m. curfew

last night, and we've heard our reporter say they were getting calls from their sources because it appeared to be shifting the looting to earlier in the evening. that this was already happening well before the sun had gone down. now, tonight you've got an 8:00 p.m. curfew in new york city, but there are concerns that maybe this isn't even going to matter's that folks who are bent on looting and personal gain, as you said, are just going to ignore that curfew. do you think an 8:00 p.m. curfew is going to work? >> i think we've seen it work in some areas, during this protest. in ferguson we tried it one night and i spoke with the governor and i said, we can't enforce it. rioters will still come out. we did do it another night, but the one night. if you think rioters are going home and looting will stop just because you put the curfew out there in a sense, in some cases it makes them come out more.

>> all right. if you can stay with me, ron. i also want to bring in our correspondent who is there froling this protest. i mine, shimon, this is huge. right? we've looked at this now, coming back to it repeatedly, and this is just a very large protest winding its way past one police plaza in manhattan. >> reporter: yeah, breanna, we are passing one police plaza. you can see cars here supporting, honkin inhonking, h support of the protesters and rallying, getting everyone together. the front of this protest is probably way into, maybe, several, several blocks. i'd say 15 blocks, and it's in the thousands. probably the largest demonstration that we've had here.

and what's really interesting is, the police are standing back. you know? they have said they would allow them to demonstrate and they are demonstrating and it has been peaceful. we're seeing all kinds of different signs, very diverse crowd, young, older. all sorts of different people just getting together and trying to express their emotions, and their anger and the change they all want to see. i want to try and see if i can grab someone here to talk to us. hi. live on cnn. can i talk to you? >> sure. >> reporter: tell me, express your feelings about being here and what this means to you to be able to do this out here on the streets of manhattan? >> well, if you look around and see all of these people -- we can't live like this anymore. that's just not for black folks. that's for everyone. we cannot live like this anymore and will fight until the end,

until we can have our peace. no justice, no peace. >> reporter: how important is it to have these peaceful demonstrations in the streets and in a march like this? >> every demonstration is important. i'm not going to say it's important to have the peaceful once or not the peaceful ones. all are important. every single one is important so people can hear us. people know who we are. people see that -- people are important. george floyd was important. trayvon martin was important. mike brown, was important. these people are all important. breanna taylor was important. 's these people are important. we can't forget about them. we cannot. we can't forget about them. >> reporter: describe emotions you've been feeling for george floyd and --

>> dow jon.j. henry happened in small town. a police officer shot him in front of all of his classmates. in front of -- in front of university students. then they turned their guns on those same university students. for ten years we've been fighting the same fight. ten years of my adult life i have been saying justice. it's been too long and longer than my ten years. it's just too much. >> reporter: thank you. what's your name? >> jane doe. >> reporter: thank you so much for speaking to me. so breanna, this is what year seeing here. right? a lot of people out here marching, protesting. pro testing their feelings. talking about how they feel and the frustration they have felt and you can hear that in so many of the chants the black lives matter, and no justice, no peace. they're continuing. we're now at hausman street, west hausman and broadway. so we're walking, and this is

probably going to go on for quite some time, breanna. >> all right. and just to add to what the protester who you were talking to said about d.j. henry, there were no, there was not an indictment against anyone in the case, but the family in a, accepted a partial settlement of several million dollars. so just to put context into what they were judged to -- in terms of what happened to their son d.j. henry, who was an african-american football player as pace university. shimon, you said this is about 15 blocks long, and certainly, you know, one of the things i noticed when you were talking to the woman who, jane doe, as she said. kernel didn't want to be identified but wasn't going to say -- >> reporter: i get that. i accept that. >> i get that, too.

honestly, she was so -- her message was so important to hear. i was just -- i guess naturaly you're curious to know who she is. to put a nime her message as well. >> reporter: yes. >> but she said she didn't want to say that the non-peaceful protests were less important. right? and this is something that i think there are observers of these protests and they're trying to sort out kind of what is going on, what is different between the one that you're looking at now, which is very peaceful. we're seeing, we've been watching one in los angeles as well that went by police headquarters there, very peaceful. and a lot of people are trying to understand as they watch what happens here during the day and then what they see happen in the evening. give us a sense of what you're seeing there. you were observing -- well into

the early morning hours what happened in new york last night. >> reporter: yeah. and to be clear, brew ananna. the people out on the streets last night were not demonstrators. were not people who. trying to get a message across. these are people who took advantage of a situation. they came to manhattan and broke into many stores. i'm walking now here -- we're in the soho area. the soho area was hit hard by looters. there are many stores that are boarded up, and that's what went on last night. very different than what we're seeing here. you know, there are all sorts of ways, obviously, as she said, to protest. i've covered other protests. you've covered protests, and what went on last night was much

different than people expressing their anger or sitting in the street and getting arrested, because they've refused to leave by sitting in the street. you know, that is much different than anything that i saw last night, where it was just -- criminal entities. i mean, organized fashion of people looting and breaking in to stores and just running -- i have no -- really, the best way i could put it is just running wild. as i said to you earlier, the only people on the streets last night at one point were reporters. i was out there. police and the looters. and all over manhattan. somewhere were carrying bats and sticks. so much different, and, you know -- those moments shouldn't overshadow what's happening here, because this really is -- it's a beautiful moment where people can get together and

express themselves and -- and describe what they're feeling, because there is a lot of anger across the country, a lot of frustration. we're in the middle of a pandemic. there are other issues, and so this also gives an opportunity for so many people who have been in their homes for so long now, frustrated people who don't have jobs. people don't really know what the future is going to bring, and this gives them the opportunity to come together, and express themselves, and i think this is -- just -- this is the import stuff, of course, and what happened last night is sad, and it's painful, and it's difficult for people who live in this city and across this state to see what happened here. but, you know, these moments -- this moment here is something that is great to see. right? and it gives all of these people

an opportunity -- everyone here -- to come out and come together, breanna. >> and shimon, thank you for just walking us how that this protest that is making its way north in manhattan. we're there with you. amazing to be in the middle of this. thank you so much. stand by for shimon. obviously this protest is going to be continuing on for some time. there are big crowds that are gathered there in new york, which you are watching. also in los angeles, a big crowd is gathered in washington. cnn is live from the middle of all of these protests. stay with us for live special coverage. - [announcer] at custom ink we believe community

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i want to take you to washington, d.c., seeing protests unfold there and the district right now is under a new city-wide curfew. cnn white house correspondent boris sanchez is live for us. boris, you are in lafayette park. this is adjacent to the white house. there are peaceful protesters there, and this is actually where peaceful protesters yesterday were pushed back before the curfew and they were tear gassed. tell us what you're seeing right now? >> reporter: well, right now, breanna, the protest remains

peaceful. in the last few minutes a big chunk of the crowd actually splintered off following some law enforcement officers and it looks like they're starting to come back. the crowd still pretty large. sizable, bigger than it was yesterday at this same time. and the crowd is mostly just chanting. i haven't seen any projectiles thrown or seen any of the folks that may be inclined to break anything. there really isn't any overt signs of aggression that would lead to the response we saw last night. even though last night was also peaceful, as you said, about a half hour before the curfew. law enforcement pushed people forcibly out of this area, spreading them across several different directions. we saw tear gas deployed and media pushed by police so president trump could go to st. john's church with a bible posing for cameras.

a senior administration official says they didn't orchestrate that to be a photo op. the official twitter white house account and deputy staff for communications videotaped president trump walking across the street both set to music. may not call it a photo op but are treating it as one. things remain calm, again. protesters getting down on their knees and asking officers to also take a knee in solidarity. at one point all protesters got on the ground chanting, "i can't breathe." "i can't breathe." of course, the fateful last words of george floyd. again, as of right now, things remain peaceful. i suspect the crowd will grow as we get closer to the 7:00 p.m. curfew, we'll see how law enforcement responds then. >> what do you know about the fences? these very tall fences in lieu

of shorter barriers. to keep it in perspective for our viewers, you're quite a ways from the white house fence? right? this is like, i'd say, i don't know. 200 yards away, maybe? >> reporter: at the very least. yes. i'm not sure how well you can see it. many protesters are in front of the fence and in the way. lafayette park is a plate people can come and demonstrate. it's typically open to the public unless there's a presidential movement. yesterday protesters got right up to them, about four feet tall. effectively getting face-to-face with law enforcement at one point. this morning we saw the larger fence further out blocking all access to lafayette park. the fence is about eight feet tall here. and the way law enforcement handled the protesters today has been differently than in previous days. earlier in the days they weren't

allowing protesters to get into the street. they can keeping them on the sidewalk. that changed as more and more protesters showed up. right now things are peaceful. we'll keep an eye on it and see how things develop, breanna. >> boris, thank you for that report from washington. from d.c. to dallas, los angeles, seeing large crowds that are protesting in the streets. cnn is live in the middle of it. stay with us for our live special coverage. we have a saying at us foods: we help you make it. you, the independent restaurants of america... we've always got your back, but through all of this... you made it happen. you made our friday nights. you even made us dessert. ♪

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including new york, wide swaths of manhattan in ruins. according to my next guests, affecting change can happen, but not like this. this is what they write, john kasich, republican and former ohio state senator nina turner, a democrat, write this in part -- "no one should take a violence to advance their cause nor should anyone need to. we should all be able to turn to our system of justice to receive the protections we deserve. yes, we've got problems. our system can work if leaders have the will and courage to simply acknowledge the pain of injustice." and the governor and senator joining us now for this very important discussion here. senator turner, you and governor kasich make a case that communities can listen, they can learn, they can create peace, because you've done it in your state of ohio. tell us about this. >> we did, breanna, and thank you for having both of us. on the heels of the shooting are tamir rice a young boy shot

within less than two seconds from police arriving on the scene, in t2004 right before thanksgiving and the governor and i had a conversation. i call the governor and said, govern governor, we have to do something. he said, come in, and i did. the governor did not hesitate to create an executive order that created the police task force and put folks on the task force from all walks of life. from community members, millennials, elected officials, non-elected officials, business leaders. the first thing we did, travel all over the great state of ohio so people's voices could be heard, because of that action, people did not bubble over into violence. yes, there were protests, but there were no acts of violence, because the governor acted, he acted swiftly, and he listened to the pain of the people, and then we took what was said, what we learned, that pain, and the governor signed another executive order that created a

collaboration, and, a collaborative and our job, make actionable what we haereard fro community members across the state of ohio. we heard their pain, took it in and made it actionable. >> that's what you're saying. you're saying, governor, that the system can work if leaders "acknowledge the pain and injustice." that's a quote. listen and then act. i want to ask you. >> yes. >> how does that work, when you have a lot of protesters who look at a lot of police officers who, you know, you see what has happened on camera and so clearly to any reasonable person, it's abuse of their authority and power and yet they manage to get away with it. they don't suffer prepercussi prepercussions. they're so protected. a whole system and protocols that protect them as police officers. how do you address this problem if you don't address those issues?

>> well, first of all, we have specific things we did. number one, we had to define in each police agency what constituted the proper use of deadly force or the use of force and all of the police officers have to be trained to that standard. most places didn't do that. they didn't have those kind of standards and that is the case throughout the country. secondly, we also forced the collection of data. so that we knew when police officers were not operating in an appropriate way and they were discriminating. we also creating a situation where the police officers in the community had to become integrated. and we had the republican convention coming for four days and everybody was really on edge. but what happened is because we gathered everybody together and we actually had programs that have been adopted by police departments all across ohio, not one single window was broken in

cleveland for four days of a republican convention, believe it or not. so if i were the president today, and nina were sitting right next to me or she was president and i was sitting next to her, we would call the community leadership and law enforcement and people that understand the issue that relates to civil rights. people who have studied it an entire lifetime and then come up with standards. you need to tell police officers how they need to be trained, what is appropriate and what is not appropriate. you have to measure it and integrate the police officers. all of these things send a message to people that we hear you. and what is missing now is the notion that the people in power, the people in charge, are not hearing the protesters. so what we say is this is a solution not just for ohio, but this is a solution for america. and if everybody began to put into place a system that held

people accountable, we would begin to see more peaceful communities, more together communities and that was the facts of what we found out here in ohio. but can he did not wait. we pushed and we got it done. >> and senator turner, listening to the both of you describe this, this idea of how to approach this in theory. it is beautiful. it is very nuanced. and it seems to really address how you listen to people, how you try to change the culture. that is something that we're just not seeing that, so in the absence of leadership, senator, on that, what do folks do, not only the peaceful protesters but i think even other folks who are not protesting peacefully who are taking advantage of the

situation and maybe rationalize it by saying that the system has taken advantage of them for so long that they don't really care. >> there is a rage and we have to acknowledge that to the governor's point. we acted swiftly. we didn't wait. right away. we didn't wait for people to protest to realize that what happened to tamir rice was wrong and what happened to john crawford while he was there and a white person called the police on him and we acted swiftly because we understand from a moral perspective what the police did in that moment was wrong. and you have to acknowledge that. and we had law enforcement on the task force and we all tame together. so we do need the type of leadership that governor kasich and myself and other colleagues exhibit right now so local leaders could do that right now.

i'm glad to hear some police chiefs across this country basically say i think chief roddy from the state of tennessee said if you believe what happened to george floyd is okay, turn in your badge. that message needs to reverberate all over the country so there does have to be consequences to this. and brianna, i speak as somebody's whose husband is a retired police officer and my son is in law enforcement right now. this can be done on the local state and federal level and we must do these things right now. acknowledge pain and act. black folks in particular are tired of dying at the hands of white police officers and white people who do not respect their lives. this is a national crisis and we can come together and do something about it just as governor kasich, myself and other leaders of the great state of ohio have done. >> and brianna, we stand totally against the violence. the rioting, that is not

acceptable. but the marching, the sit-ins, the things that demand that the system change is really important. and what i'm suggesting and what nina and i are both suggesting is the president ought to convene this kind of a task force. >> come on. >> if he won't do it, the mayors, the governors ought to do it and show the people that we hear them and we will improve the system and law enforcement will support it. thank you. >> this conversation has nourished my soul. ly tell you both. i hope it did for people who are listening to it and thinking about how they could act on a micro level if they feel they're not getting what they need on the macro level. so governor, senator, thank you so much to both of you. we really appreciate your words and your ideas. we're watching now some protests unfold in los angeles. i want to go to cnn's stephanie elum there. stephanie, take us through this. what is happening there as we see this peaceful protest behind

you. >> reporter: we're outside of the los angeles police department. there is a barricade here. and you could see the police are lined up an that side there. basically watching the protesters here who are now just starting to march here from outside of the police station. as you could see, it's a group of people that is of mixed race, mixed ages. we'll see men, women, everybody is out here right now taking part in these signs, very much controlled, very much peaceful. it is not like a nervous energy when other times when the protests have come out. i see different groups of people having discussions with each other on thoughts about how things are being handled and what should be done. and now their making their way up the street outside of the l.a. police department. many people making signs and standing there and holding them

in front of the police officers that are out here to show them their frustration with what they believe is systemic. now you do see some people out here hugging, having conversation. but much of that playing out here in front of lapd station. but still, i have to point out, this does feel very calm and controlled. it does not feel like we have seen things change later on where it becomes more tense, more excited. it does feel very much like a protest. unlike the looting that we've seen in the last couple of days, like last night and the night before where we saw that happening. so this is very controlled right now with the group of people that have come out here in the middle of the day to protest. and now marching away from downtown and further into downtown off of main street here in downtown los angeles. >> i wonder during the day if you have been able to talk to anyone who is engaged in these peaceful protests like the one

next to you, the one we're seeing in washington, the one we're seeing in new york, and get their thoughts on how things do change at night. you see different folks come in, take advantage of the situation. what do they say about what that means for the folks that are, for instance, there today, do they tell you what that means for them? >> reporter: there is definitely frustration with this. i want to keep walking so we don't lose sight of them. but there is frustration, right, that a message that is clear after that video of george floyd was something that people saw and had a visceral reaction to. this is galvanizing people to speak out. and you're seeing a reaction in a different way. what we've heard from people, some people, is the frustration that here is a chance to really make a difference. and really finally to get people to see that there is a difference with how black men

are treated. and yet these looters are coming out and hijacking this moment with their behavior. there is frustration over that. but as you could see there a lot of people out here that are not deterred by that, still coming out here and taking the time to walk out here. and again, i realize this is los angeles but you do see everyone out here. this is not just a monolithic group. and i know we're seeing that in other cities but there are some frustrations but even the energy that the police officers are bringing out here today is much calmer. i just saw a police officer waving to someone in the crowd. they out here and most do not have on helmets so it is a much calmer interaction than in previous times. but we saw this in ferguson when we were there, same thing, when you saw people who were upset that some people, a fraction of people were taking advantage of a situation and not staying true to the message, brianna. >> stephanie, thank you so much for taking us through this

protest. stephanie elum in los angeles. and our live coverage here on cnn will continue right now with brooke baldwin. hi, there. you are watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. thank you for being with me. we have a lot to get to. as you've been watching breaking news across the country as protests once again this afternoon are heating up. many of them peaceful. let me first say that. in new york city protests are on the move after demonstrating outside of new york police headquarters in downtown manhattan. this comes just hours after new york governor andrew cuomo blasted the mayor bill de blasio and nypd for not doing enough to stop the looters the last couple of nights. >> what happened in