from going up any higher on the steps. so there's just been a lot of chanting back and forth here, and that is the scene that you're seeing here. but this demonstration throughout the day, peaceful up and down as thousands, tens of thousands marched through the streets of houston. this is really poignant here because george floyd is from houston, and many people here tell you this is the city that feels that they know him best. erin? >> all right, thank you very much, ed lavandera. thanks to all of you for joining us as the new york city curfew begins. let's hand it off for our continued coverage with anderson. >> erin, thanks. good evening. all day in cities and towns all across this country, people took to the streets filling parks and gatherings at national landmarks, peacefully protesting the police killing of george floyd. eight days ago in minneapolis. tonight in some of those places, curfews are in effect or about to take effect. new york's curfew begins right now and as you can see there are still people out on the streets

and on the move there in brooklyn where we'll go live in just a moment. philadelphia's curfew starts at 8:30, in half an hour. and in los angeles curfew starts in one hour. we want to emphasize throughout the day we have seen huge crowds of people marching peacefully. in washington, the curfew began a little more than an hour ago. we're going to be watching to see how authorities lahandle th protesters there and elsewhere. we'll be watching to see as the night progresses if there is iree pete of what happened in new york as peaceful protesters who largely went home and other young people broke into stores and destroyed property. we also have new reporting on who gave the order for authorities to move aggressively on peaceful protesters last evening outside the white house. that's what happened then, so that the president and his hangers on could cross the street for a photo op outside a church which he was neither invited to nor welcome to exploit the way he did. we'll be joined by the bishop of washington's episcopal diocese

who condemned his visit. we'll talk about his visit to a catholic church enshrined to pope john paul ii. the archbishop op of washington who said the late pope who has been canonized would not condone the use of tear gas and other deterrence to scatter, silence or intimidate for a photo opportunity in front of a place of worship and peace. or presumably used down wash from military low flying choppers to disperse crowds as happened last night in washington. tactics normally seen in war zones. being used against american citizens protesting peacefully in the nation's capital. as we said at the top, a curfew is now in effect in new york city after a day of large and peaceful daytime demonstrations. last night it gave way to vandalism and break ins at retail establishments inclusion macy's flagship store in mid town manhattan. earlier today the president lashed out at new york's governor for his decision to leave responsibility for protecting property and lives and ensfoiforcing the curfew to new york city police department

and not bring in the national guard. quoting from the president's tweet, new york was lost to the looters, thugs, radical left and all other forms of low-life and scum. the government refuses -- excuse me. the governor refuses to accept my offer of indominating national guard, nyc was ripped to pieces. new york's governor andrew cuomo also criticized the mayor of new york city bill de blasio for his handling of last night calling it, quote, inexcusable. cnn's jason carroll has been covering the protests throughout the day. jason, 8:00 p.m. curfew is now in effect. talk about what you've seen throughout the day, what you're seeing now on the streets. >> reporter: well, right now we're in downtown brooklyn in front of the barclay center where thousands of people have gathered, anderson, much like we saw last night. and are defying this curfew. they're just starting to march now, so we're going to march along as they go. as i fill in what happened out here today, where we had again, thousands of people who gathered and said that they wanted to honor george floyd.

a number of the speakers stood up and spoke out against the looting, spoke out against the vandalism and said they wanted to honor a man who lost his life in minnesota. now, when we were out here last night, anderson, we had thousands of people who defied the curfew. they continued to march until about 1:00 a.m. throughout that whole time there were a number of police, as you can imagine, and the tactic was to hang back and to allow the demonstrators to voice what they wanted to, but not to interact with them as much as they could. and that worked last night. that was last night. tonight's a different night. we now have the curfew again in place. last night it was at 11:00. tonight it's at 8:00. and again, you have thousands of people who are, again, marching the streets calling this, again, an act of civil disobedience. the question is what happens tonight? what will the police tactic be tonight? and it's anyone's guess really. obviously the police are going to look at the crowd, feel out the crowd, see how things

develop. as for now this lose been a peaceful demonstration throughout the day. and a number of people we've spoken to said there is a real worry, anderson, with all of those images of the looting, all those images of the vandalism that people are going to lose track of the fact that thousands upon thousands of people have been demonstrating in new york city and throughout this country peacefully and they're just hoping that message doesn't get lost. anderson? >> it's such an important point to make and we've been making it i think throughout the day. certainly on this program. jason, thank you. i want to check in now on the scene at lafayette park outside the white house. we want to get a quick reality check on the u.s. park police's claim late today they only moved against protesters last evening after objects were throne. alex marquart was there and saw what happened. he's there once again for us tonight. what have the crowds been like today? and what do you make of what the park police is saying? >> reporter: well, anderson, we are now just over an hour into this curfew.

as you can see here, there are still a lot of protesters who remain. in fact, they have chanted, we are not leaving. they have chanted other things about defying this curfew. i've been speaking to a number of people who said they are going to stay. they are pressed right up against this new fence that has been erected outside the white house. that was put up overnight. it's about 8 feet high made out of steel. the panels are locked together so protesters can't push through. there have been a few people who sort of started rocking them back and forth and they were reprimanded by other protesters. that goes to show that the vast majority of people here want to keep this peaceful. this has been an entirely peaceful protest today. we have not seen anything that was thrown, no projectiles that were thrown at the police. that is the claim, anderson, for why they cracked down last night. we did hear from the united states park police today saying that there were agitators among the protesters who started throwing frozen water bottles,

bricks, what they called caustic liquids at the forces inside the park. and that is why they say at 6:35 p.m. yesterday right before the 7:00 p.m. curfew, that they launched that crackdown that emptied out this exact area where we are standing. now, our cnn team, we did not see anything like that. it was an entirely peaceful protest as far as we could tell. we didn't see anything thrown. what we did see, anderson, was right as the president was walking into the rose garden so say he was the president of law and order, we saw forces from the u.s. park police sweep down h street right here, firing all kinds of projectiles that made protesters cough and choke. they fired pepper rounds, flash bangs to push people out of this area. that's where we spoke to you from last night, from those streets that had been emptied of those protesters. we would later find out, as you know, anderson, that that was because the president was

disappointed, angered by the coverage of him having to go into a bunker on friday night as protesters started up here in washington, d.c. he wanted to be seen outside of the white house. so the park police cleared this entire area last night and he walked across lafayette park right here from the white house. you can see it right there, walking the length of lafayette park over to st. john's church which is right there, for that photo op, in which he held up the bible when asked whether it was his bible, he just said it was a bible. so now this curfew is in effect. people -- this crowd has dramatically thinned out, anderson, in just the past few moments. around half, i would say, have left. it's unclear where they went. i don't think it was in response to this curfew. they wanted to march. but there is still a significant crowd here, and we will see whether there is any -- whether law enforcement decides to enforce this curfew. of course, it is a city curfew,

so that would be the d.c. police whose decision it would be to clear these people out. i imagine they are in these streets around us, but i haven't seen them. but anyway, the mayor of d.c. said that what she saw last night, she was outraged by, she was stunned by, and the chief of police here said it made his job much easier, anderson. >> all right. alex marquart. alex, thanks very much. >> reporter: much more difficult, i'm sorry. >> that's what i thought. more now on what we're now just learning about who is behind the publicity stunt at the church. cnn's jim accosta has those late details, joins us now. explain, i know you have new reporting about exactly how this surreal idea to visit st. john's church last night came about. >> reporter: that's right, anderson. hearing from two senior white house officials who say it was president trump who came up with this idea to visit st. john's episcopal church and that some of the top members of the very close people who are in his team helped him hatch this plan.

people like his communications advisor hope hicks, jared kushner and ivanka trump, mark meadows, the white house chief of staff. all essentially helped the president implement this plan and put it into place. the decision came down about 1:00 yesterday afternoon, i'm told, and that initially the planning was for the administration to simply establish a security perimeter around the white house, around the white house neighborhood. this was largely, in part, these officials are saying, because of the church fire at st. john's episcopal church. the president added the idea of a church visit yesterday oor afternoon, and then administration officials jumped into place so start putting that plan into action. now, anderson, the other thing we should point out, there are some inconsistencies what we're hearing from officials. you heard alexander marquart say a few moments ago park place are saying they implemented -- they used some of these harsh tactics yesterday because protesters were being violent.

obviously many journalists out there, including reporters from cnn, saying they didn't see any acts of violence against these police officers. but, anderson, obviously if the president wants to visit a church outside of lafayette park, that park is going to have to be cleared. and i think the question has to be asked, well, what did they expect to happen when they try to clear a park so quickly so the president can have a publicity stunt, a photo opportunity outside of that church? i talked to one white house official earlier today who was doing some second guessing and saying, listen, this should have been done hours earlier in the day had they gone out hours earlier in the day and established the security perimeter, you would not have had the ugly scene potentially that we saw later on in the evening when more people show up. >> jim, it's interesting, though. i've been following some coverage among president's supporters on twitter and stuff, and there it's being portrayed as he's this tough guy who is -- he's not cowering in a bunker. he's this tough guy who decides to meander over with his gaggle

to this church, and so they clear it out, and that just shows how tough he is. i find it fascinating that ivanka trump and jared kushner are involved in this decision. she apparently actually carried the bible over in her purse, which she was clutching, and then hand it had to the president for the photo op. i noticed that they were smart enough not to actually get involved in the photo op itself. when the president is sort of trying to get people to come in from -- to help him out and stand with him, they're nowhere to be seen. they clearly, you know -- >> reporter: that's right. >> -- have their eye on the future. >> reporter: our understanding is the president was sort of motioning people to come over and stand together with him for this photo opportunity, and -- >> mark meadows, the chief of staff -- >> reporter: -- reluctantly moving in place. >> mark meadows is looking at the church as if there is a point for them to be there, when there is no point other than that photo.

i know kellyanne conway denied this was a photo op. that is the definition of a photo op. and the fact they encouraged the president to say something, you can see the president going, shhh, because he had nothing to say. >> reporter: that's right. and i will tell you, i talked to a trump advisor who advises the white house and the campaign earlier this evening who questioned the idea of even going to the church for this photo opportunity. the president is not known to be a man of faith, of deep faith. he occasionally gets things wrong when it comes to references to the bible. now, you don't want to question anybody's religious feelings and their faith, and so on, but, you know, this trump advisor was essentially saying sarcastically, why would the president go to a church? talk to white house officials, they say it's because he was disturbed by the scene at the church. but, of course, as you know, anderson, the president's christian conservative evangelical base is a huge part of their plan to get re-elected come novinger.

it does make sense that he would make that journey out there. >> let's not dance around it. it's the most obvious political, you know, it's the easiest political play for him to make. he's the law and order guy. he's standing outside a church, you know, holding a bible that his daughter carried over for him and handed him and then probably took back in her purse. who knows where that bible is now. >> reporter: if you talk to these officials this evening, they say they feel good about it despite the scene, the ugly sooe scene out there last night. they feel good about t. in the words of this one white house official, they restored law and order. the president is tweeting washington, d.c. is the safest place on earth last night, not for the protesters, anderson. >> the idea that they restored law and order, again, we mentioned this last night. the president talks about himself as law and order. law and order is what peaceful protesters are actually asking for. it's what black americans are actually asking for, equal treatment under the law. that will bring about law and

order. it is not law and order when one group of people is being dominated and repressed and treated differently by law enforcement. on a routine basis. that is not law and order. that is disorder. that is unlawful. i just find it ironic that the president is claiming the mantle of being our, quote-unquote, our law and order president when, in fact, that is what peaceful protesters are actually wanting. they are wanting equal justice under the law. >> reporter: and that law and order, a lot of people last night felt like getting pummelled by police officers and getting gassed out of an area in a very violent way, it did feel like law and order to them. that's for sure. >> jim accosta, thanks very much. one president george w. bush weighed in by statement. he didn't mention president trump's name, but it reads, this tragedy in a long series of similar tragedies raises a long overdue question, talking about the killing of george floyd, how

do we end systematic racism in our society? the former president asked. the only way to see ourselves in a true light is to listen to the voices of so many who are hurt and grieving. those who set out to silence those voices do not understand the meaning of america or how it becomes a better place. he went on to say, and i quote, the doctrine and habits of racial superiority which once nearly split our country still threaten our union. just before our time we spoke about those issues with house whip clyburn. you've been involved in the civil movement your entire life. we saw in city after city, people peacefully by and large protesting. what do you think? how does this moment feel to you? >> a little bit surreal. when you look at what we're doing back in the 1960s and '70s for that matter, we really

thought that, were we to succeed, that it would be moving on to the next chapter. and i thought that for a long time. but the more i studied history and the longer i lived, i began to see the realization that in this country, things move like a pendulum on the clock. they seem to go to the right for a while, then back left for a while, then back right. and i think that what we saw is when the country moved to the left and elected barack obama. there was this rush to get the country going back to the right. and, boy, did it go back to the right, and we elected donald trump. i don't believe that anybody realized at the time that the

country was being pushed over the cliff. and i'll tell you, what i feel today is that the future of this country is really at stake. i think that what has gone on, not just in the streets, but what's going on in the white house leads me to believe, from my study of history, that this country is at a crossroads. and if we don't choose wisely between now and the end of this year, i think that we are seeing the demise of the greatest democracy that ever on earth. >> you believe the stakes are that high, that that is the alternative? >> yes, i do believe that. and one of the reasons we study history is hopefully to understand what to do, what not to do going forward. i think it was george santiana

who said if you fail to learn the lessons of history, you're bound to repeat them. so the question is, have we learned any lessons of our history? we seem not to be learning any lessons. if we don't learn them, then we're going to repeat that. anybody studied history at all will know that no matter how great the power gets, if you are not careful you can lose that. now, i don't know if thomas jefferson ever said it, but they always say that he said -- i've done research and i can't find where thomas jefferson ever said that the price of liberty is eternal vigilance. whether or not he said it, it is a truism. the price of liberty is eternal vigilance. we are losing that. >> last night, you know, when there was a curfew in new york, for the first time since 1943, i wondered, i wonder what that

curfew was back in 1943. so i looked it up. it was august 1943, and the reason there was a curfew in new york then was because a white police officer shot an african-american man, a soldier who had fought in the war and shot him in the streets. didn't kill him, but shot him. and that led to days of protests and what they call rioting and the curfew happened. so, when somebody looks at that and says, well, look, there have been peaceful protests for a long time, and the problems still remain. what do you say? what do you say to give hope to somebody that change is possible? >> well, i say to young people, you shouldn't give up on the system. do like john lewis asked us to do a couple days ago. you know, i tell people all the time, i met my wife in jail. so i know what this is all about. we stayed married for 58 years. it worked pretty good for us.

i think that we have to always remember that we have to make sacrifices to make this country work. and if we work together, maintaining solidarity with each other and do not allow yourself to play your opponent's game, violence is not our game. that's our opponent's game. the president used violence last night, the unjust use of force. it's just as violent as the unjust use of power. so power the president used unjustly, and sometimes people in the streets are using force unjustly. both of them are misuses of power. both of them are violent acts which must come to a close. >> one of the things that i find stunning about what the president said yesterday, he now says, i'm your law and order president.

but to me it seems like the peaceful protesters, people who are calling for systematic change, who are calling for equal rights, who are calling for equal treatment under the law, those are people who want law and order. law and order is not a police force dominating a group of people. law and order is a police force treating everybody equally under the law. that's law and order. >> well, you know, george will has just written about this president. he's also written about the republican party, and i find it kind of interesting. when i call for this country to use the cares act to restructure things in the vision of this great country, with liberty and justice for all, it's there in our pledge of allegiance, i was mocked on the floor of the united states senate by the republican leader of the senate,

mitch mcconnell. and all kinds of tweets went out over the airwaves about me using that term, reshaping things, restructuring things in the vision of this great country. we've got to restructure health care. we've got to restructure the judicial system. we've got to restructure our educational system. i'm not backing away from that. and i'm not going to stop because people mock that. when i called for investing in low-income communities, i came up with my 10, 20, 30 formula. spend at least 10% of this money where 20% of the population is stuck beneath the poverty level for the last 30 years. i've been mocked by people for doing that. yet some people say that's a good way to address the question of reparations. if we stop motorcyclicking peop just look at the substance people are trying to pursue, that's what this president is doing.

he mocks people. he insults people. and know he's using violence against peaceful protesters. this president is taking this country to a place that none of us ever thought we would see, and i would hope the republican party will wake up. i would hope the people of this country will wake up before it's too late. >> congressman clyburn, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. >> another voice he's just weighed in on the president's threat to send active duty troops into american cities. defense secretary esper said in a call on manuel bojorquez, to domina a call on monday, to dominate the battle space. let that sink in. none of this is sitting well with retired admiral mike mullen, former joint chiefs of staff under presidents bush and obama. he writes, our fellow citizens are not the enemy and must never

become so. he writes, even in the midst of the carnage we are witnessing, we must endeavor to see american cities and towns as our homes and neighborhoods. they are not battle spaces to be dominated and must never become so. former chairman of the joint chiefs. much more ahead tonight as curfews take effect across the country. next, attorney for george floyd's family joins us to talk about possible charges against the other three officers. they have already been fired, but not charged. we'll talk about that with mr. crump. later, the episcopal bishop of washington on the president's exploitation and the equally unwelcome visit to a catholic shrine today. that and more as we continue. at mercedes-benz, nothing less than world-class

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i'll find out exactly where that is. i lived here all my life. i should know, shouldn't i? curfew at the top of the hour. minneapolis, houston and north carolina, that's a scene in boston. we learned today from floyd family benjamin crump who has been assured charges will be filed against the three other officers involved. in addition to derek chauvin charged with third degree manslaughter. we heard the first public comments from george floyd's sister. >> he will never see her grow up, graduate. he will never walk her down the aisle. if it's a problem she's having and she needs her dad, she does

not have that any more. >> andrew crump joins us with gloria brown moore shawl, constitutional professor, race, law and american society, 1607 to present. mr. crump, do you have any updates on if and when authorities may charge the other officers and do you have any sense of what they would be charged with? >> anderson, we believe that there will be charges of the other three officers before george floyd is laid to rest. we think that these officers were complicit, but not just complicit base. based on our independent autopsy, the knees in the back of the other officer was just as significant to the knee in the neck. and so we think all of them should be charged with some type of felony murder for participating in the killing, the horrific killing of george floyd. >> and, mr. crump, i know you

and the floyd family want officer chauvin charged with first degree murder, which he wasn't. first degree murder requires planning, premeditation, and i understand the idea of wanting a tough charge in order to gain leverage perhaps in a subsequent deal. but do you believe there was planning and premeditation in the killing of mr. floyd? >> well, all we know is this. based on the video where you look at the video for yourself, he's on his neck for nine minutes. there is the audio now, anderson, that we know one of the officers pro claims, he doesn't have a post. maybe we should turn him on his side. officer chauvin says, no, we'll keep him in this position. and then after he is unconscious, they stay on him for more than three minutes. so how is that not intent? a person is telling you he

doesn't have a pulse. people are telling you, you're killing him. he needed to take a breath and they didn't have the humanity to allow him to get air. it is first degree murder. that's how the floyd family, that's how many people who have seen this all across the world. >> professor brown-marshall, prosecutors all the time charge people with very, very tough charges, knowing that there will be some sort of discussion down the road basically to intimidate people who don't have the resources to fight back against this. what do you make of prosecutors using -- already going for third degree murder? >> i think in many instances --

anderson, i just want to say that in many instances, it's reasonable standard and the understood arde standard is reasonable for a black person. it's not the standard when it comes to a white person. and i'll give you these three quick examples. one, the boston bomber. this is somebody whoa killed and was chased and was found and was then asked to come out of hiding. they knew where he was. they didn't kill him. they didn't shoot him. he stood trial and now he's standing for his life on death row. we have the case, for example, of eric frain. he other sass nated a state trooper in pennsylvania. there was a manhunt for him for weeks. remember that? and then he was captured. he had one bruise on his face, and they asked, well, what did they do? they beat him up? he wasn't shot.

he wasn't killed. i mean, i want us to think about this. the fact that eric frain has been on death row. he's going to be executed this month. he lived to stand trial. these were heinous crime. the aurora shooter who went into that darkened theater and shot all those people lived. he came in in handcuffs. so when we talk about something like a fraudulent -- suspicion of a fraudulent $20 bill, then we have to understand that what we consider reasoned -- to a person of african descent is nowhere near the standard used for white people. >> mr. crump, we heard more about mr. floyd today from meeting -- seeing his daughter, hearing from his daughter's mom. how is the family doing and as you prepare for sending mr. floyd home? for his funeral? >> well, mr. floyd's family, his

other children are arriving in minneapolis tomorrow. it is very painful for them. they are very aware of what's happening in america. and what they are asking everybody to do is to take [ inaudible ] for george to take a breath for peace, take a breath for justice, take a breath to help heal our country. but most importantly, let's take a breath this week for george floyd and remember his legacy. so all of his children will know that his life matter and we all as a world will know that black lives matter. >> benjamin crump, zbl gloria marshall, thank you. i apologize for the audio issues we were having. the bishop who oversees the church joins me again and the times of intense division in the country.

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a peaceful crowd so president trump could have a photo op in front of a church with the bible he was handed. ben sass was willing to criticize the move to clear a path for a photo op. many republican senators were not. some claimed they knew nothing about it. others avoiding answer altogether. public senate majority leader said i'm not going to critique other people's performances. >> it was something of a perfectly formance. back with me is the bishop of the church the president used. we spoke last night. you were very upset or angry, i could say, about what the president did. today he went to the national shrine of saint john paul ii on the heels of st. john's episcopal church last night. i wonder what you make 24 hours later of what the president is doing. >> good evening, anderson. great to be with you again. i have to defer to my colleague

and friend archbishop gregory who spoke on behalf of his church, expressing the same confusion and outrage that the president would use religious symbols to make statements that are antithetical to the faith. and he couldn't understand why the president would go two weeks after john paul's death to pay his respects and to place himself before the shrine of the former pope. actually, i can't speak to that at all. it strikes me as perplexing. similarly, they had no idea that he was doing what he was doing. neither did we. it didn't seem to be an expression of faith or of solidarity with faith. it seemed to be, as we've said before, an opportunity to clothe himself in the mantle of spiritual symbols and locations

to in some way bolster or reinforce his own authority and message. and that is where we, of course, have separated ourselves, making the distinction that we have no part in that and we reject that association. >> i mean, it's one thing if a politician goes to a church service -- >> right. >> -- or goes so a confessional, or interacts with a religious -- with the pastor and has an actual conversation. or talks about their faith as a way of connecting and reaching out with the faith of many other americans in all its different forms. this was not any of that. it was clearly political designed to send a message to voters. i mean, it's the only way -- i should point out just like last night, the president stopped for the cameras today. he didn't do any praying.

he certainly didn't last night. >> well, you know, the people who have crossed the spectrum of faith criticized me for my lack of welcome to the president as if to imply we were not welcoming of his presence in the church. i was very clear the president is always welcome to pray. the president is always welcome to do the things that you describe, which is what we all do when we gather in christian community, pay our respects in a spiritual context. but as you said, he did none of those things. he didn't open and read from the bible that he held. he did not engage us in -- with a spiritful message of consolation or exhortation. he did not greet us. there was no interaction whatsoever. and so it's impossible to interpret, from my perspective it's impossible to interpret what he did in light of an expression of faith, but more as a, as i said before, as a way to

clothe himself in symbols that had been appropriated for a different purpose. >> if you had to trample on people's bodies in order to get to a photo op, that obviously adds a whole other layer to it. i mean, you're trampling on people, hitting people with sticks, dispersing what was a peaceful crowd. you know. and -- let's just talk in general, bigger picture. i thought you were very eloquent on this last night about where we are as a country. the faith community has played such an important role in the civil rights movement and that continues. can you just speak to those who are watching in their homes tonight who maybe have been out protesting or maybe don't understand why people are out protesting, or fearful that there's going to be looting tonight in their community and view that as the same as what the protesters are doing, which is not? >> well, you've put a lot on the

table there. >> i know. sorry to toss that all to you. >> let me take it bit by bit. first of all, people of faith, we show up everywhere, right. we show up at every spectrum. we show up on every side of every struggle. yes, we were involved in civil rights. some of my predecessors were some of the strongest resistors. you can't just say because we're people of faith or because we're religious, we're going to take things one way or another. each of us are broken people. each of us are struggling to interpret our traditions in our own way. each of us bring our own humanity to that cosmic and epic life struggle. having said that, when you walk the path of faith, the goal is to become more fully human. and for christians that means more christ like. so we look to jesus and we try to emulate our lives on his. we try to ask ourselves, okay, that meme of a question, what

would jesus do? or as our presiding bishop would say, what would love do? what does sacrificial love look like? this moment? what does the heart of god want to say to us, a god who is unconditional love and complete justice and universal compassion, what would that god ask of us in that moment? and so for some of us, we look at the struggle right now, the agony we're in, and we see golgotha. we see the struggles of humanity depicted in our most sacred stories. and we say that's where god woe want us to be. that's where god would ask us to show up, in solidarity with suffering, in solidarity with those who are struggling for a better day, to build what jesus called the kingdom of god on earth, which is a place of universal unconditional love and respect for every human being, regardless of faith or lack of faith because of our inherent dignity as children of god.

so in that shaloam, there is no place for racism, there is no place for white supremacy, no place for violence. we all are held to accountability of the highest standard. we all fall short. we all have our blind spots, but we are called to account and to show up. so, i would say to anyone watching, that's what we're trying to do, and we don't always get it right, but we want to be on the side of right. and we want to be on the side of goodness. and we want to be on the side of hope for rising generations who are looking at this world, wondering where, in god's name, is this future taking them. and we want to say to them, even in the midst of this, even in the midst of what you're showing on your screen right now, there is hope and there is love and there is joy to be had in this world. and we are going to stand for that and stand for you. >> bishop, thank you.

>> thank you. >> up next former vice president joe biden spoke out about whoot president did last night in front of st. john's episcopal church. what he said and how the protest might impact the november election. little things can become your big moment. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats differently. for psoriasis, 75% clearer skin is achievable, with reduced redness, thickness, and scaliness of plaques. for psoriatic arthritis, otezla is proven to reduce joint swelling, tenderness, and pain. and the otezla prescribing information has no requirement for routine lab monitoring. don't use if you're allergic to otezla. it may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. otezla is associated with an increased risk of depression. tell your doctor if you have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts or if these feelings develop. some people taking otezla reported weight loss. your doctor should monitor your weight and may stop treatment. upper respiratory tract infection and headache may occur.

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for the first time since these protests began, they coincide with a major point in the 2020 election cycle. today is primary day for eight states plus washington, d.c., voters choosing house and senate candidates to compete in november including swing states like pennsylvania and iowa. today in philadelphia joe biden spoke about the death of george floyd and the protests. >> i can't breathe. i can't breathe. george floyd's last words, but they didn't die with him. they're still being heard, echoing all across this nation. the country is crying out for leadership, leadership that can unite us. leadership that brings us together. but i promise you this. i won't traffic in fear and division. i won't fan the flames of hate. >> cnn's senior political

commentator former obama administer david axelrod joins us and charlamagne tha god had the headline in an interview with biden. charlamagne, what >> anderson, first, thank you for having me. the contrast he's trying to make with president trump i think he did very well today in philadelphia. he said a lot of things i wanted to hear. i know it's dream selling season and politics sell everything they can to get elected. i enjoyed it. i need action. if barack obama was jfk, he needs to be as progressive aslie in -- as lyndon b. johnson.

he has the most progressive record of any democratic president. biden's record shows racist legislation but he has a chance to do right by black people. >> david, do you think biden can do that? >> i think he can and has to. the situation in the country. the things that used to be called progressive now appear to be pragmatic. there have to be answers to serious problems laid bare by this virus and the economic situation that will continue to plague this country into the next administration. i would expect you would see his campaign begin to unravel or unfurl, i should say, plans, that are large in scope and ambitious and get to some of the root causes of problems that have drawn people to the streets these historic problems.

>> i think there's a lot of democrats who maybe see these large crowds of people protesting peacefully in the streets day after day after day and think this election is obviously going to go for the democrats. a lot of people thought that obviously in 2016. do you see these crowds and do you think this translates into what happens on election night? >> no. it's not a sure thing at all. we still don't know how donald trump won in 2016. a lot of people will say donald trump is the illegitimate president and like joe biden is leading in all the polls, hillary clinton was doing the same thing in 2016. that's why it's very important for joe biden to really lean into blackness. he needs to announce one of these overqualified sisters as his running mate. he's already committed to putting a black woman on the

supreme court, lyndon b. johnson thurgood marshall moment. if this country wants to get its soul right, the soul of the country is at stake, he really has to lean into the black community. he has to be the white guy willing to relinquish the power the white system allows him. if we don't have elected officials who are willing to dismantle the legacy that disproportionately impacts black folks it won't matter and he will have trouble in november. >> david, do you see your former boss, former president obama, how vocal a role do you see him having moving forward? >> i think he will play an active role. he did in 2018. he obviously feels strongly about the importance of this election. i don't think he will jump out in front of the candidate. ultimately, joe biden is running

for president and has to carry a lot of the load today. this is an important moment because he stepped out at a moment the country needed to hear from him and he made a very powerful speech and it was made more powerfulful in juxtaposition of last night. it's very hard to be the president of law and order when you're holding a can of rhetorical kerosene in your hand. we saw biden step forward as someone seeking to be president of the united states and searching for healing and understanding. that's very powerful, but he has to do it repeatedly and be there to counter some of the negative energy of donald trump. >> when people hear the president saying, i'm your law and order president, the thing i don't understand is it seems to me one of the things the

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whether mass incarceration, war on drugs, all those wrongs that need to be corrected, the only way forward is through the black community. that's why i'm so hard on democrats because black folks vote for them 90% of the time but haven't gotten what we need. we ned reparations period. from what i hear from his speech in philly, sounds like that's what he wants to do. we need him to stand on the principles of civil rights is supposed to be about, civil rights and equality. >> thank you. great discussion. be right back. it's only human to find inspiration in nature. and also find answers. our search to transform... ...farm waste into renewable natural gas led chevron to partner with california bioenergy.

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believe, not so much -- it's hard to see there, i believe the national guard on the streets there. curfew taking effect and shots of atlanta as well. we've seen peaceful protests throughout the country throughout the day. our coverage continues right now with chris. chris. >> thank you very much, anderson. i am chris cuomo. welcome to primetime. it is a sad day when we need curfews in our cities. america's major cities are filled with people demanding this country become more fair, more just and ironically, more united. too many see the protests as the problem. no, the problem is what forced your fellow citizens to take to the streets, persistent, and poisonous and inequities and justice. please, show me where it says protesters are supposed to be polite and peaceful. i can show you outraged citizens are