hard to see there, i believe the national guard on the streets there. curfew taking effect and shots of atlanta as well. we've seen peaceful protests throughout the country throughout the day. our coverage continues right now with chris. chris. >> thank you very much, anderson. i am chris cuomo. welcome to primetime. it is a sad day when we need curfews in our cities. america's major cities are filled with people demanding this country become more fair, more just and ironically, more united. too many see the protests as the problem. no, the problem is what forced your fellow citizens to take to the streets, persistent, and poisonous and inequities and justice. please, show me where it says protesters are supposed to be polite and peaceful. i can show you outraged citizens are what made america to what

she led to many major milestones. be honest, this is not a tranquil time. they're not here to make power or you or me comfortable? they're here to yell, criticize, blame and shame. you don't have to like it. why not focus on remembering the reason for the pain that fuels their purpose? police are the ones who are required to be peaceful, to de-escalate, to remain calm. they are in fact trained to do exactly that. when one kneels on someone's neck for a long time and other police don't stop obvious deadliness, that's the problem. we can't be in a place where cops can act human and be forgiven but citizens can have the same flawed responses and be justifiably killed, or told to hold their tongues. citizens have no duty to check their outrage or ignore a curfew to keep doing that.

they may get arrested because it's illegal. that's their right as well. looting, arson, violence, that's something else. don't confuse that with protests or the people doing it with protesters. mr. are bad people mixed in with good people in these situations. that's the truth. we're learning it in every city. we're watching new york city tonight especially closely where orders went out to stay o the streets after one of the wildest most destructive nights in recent memory. this is the most restrictive curfew in the big apple since 1943. three hours earlier before last night when the city went into chaos and looting city-wide and cops could not get a handle on it. so far today, protests have been what they are the overwhelming majority everywhere, peaceful, if you want to call it that. certainly not violent. just in new york, many big

cities across america, you have to see this, too, there has been major unrest. what will happen tonight? we know nypd will have a different plan tonight on the phone with us is mayor de blasio. can you hear us? >> yes, chris, how are you doing? >> doing well. thank you for this opportunity to be our eyes and ears. do you expect tonight to be a night more under control for the nypd? >> absolutely. i'm out now on the manhattan side of the bridge. a group of protesters across the bridge definitely out because of the early curfew. chris, i listened to your intro and thought you said a lot of important and powerful things i agreed with. i want to correct one thing, if i may. we had a really troubling situation last night in mid-town manhattan and one area of the bronx but no looting in brooklyn

and queens and staten island and most of the bronx and manhattan. i want to set that straight. unquestionably, it has been a tough few days. the early curfew made a big difference, streets much more empty. huge amount of nypd presence. we have uber and lyft and via closed down because looters were using them. we limited traffic below 96th street in manhattan, to knock the looters off their game. that's a small group. hundreds of people maybe a few thousands there, train criminals in many cases. that group must be disrupted. so far it's been a peaceful night, a lot of peaceful protests during the day. much calmer situation at this moment. >> day and night literally, as the pun goes different from one another. at night time you have looters and some mixed in as posed

protesters during the day. the criticism last night, there weren't enough police on the streets and not given enough of their tools. the plan was to be too nice. when the situation turned not nice they weren't able to handle it and that's why you had the problems in manhattan. >> i just want to say, we made a very conscious decision, city and state together, to put the curfew in place, start it late because it was a very different situation, as you said in your intro, curfews are rare in new york city, putting it in place the same day and wanted to make sure the neighborhoods did not get caught up it in the wrong way. up to that point only sunday night did we see a problem and not seen it on other days of protest, only after dark on sunday night. we thought we had a measured plan and suddenly this very coordinated criminal activity in mid-town manhattan. made the adjustment, gone to the

earlier curfew, 8:00 p.m., before it gets dark. huge amount of nypd present. the traffic restrictions and restrictions on vehicles looters were trying to use. it's a very very different ballgame here. i wish, chris, you know this, you know this well, we learn from each day. if you would have asked me on saturday did we have a need for a curfew, i would have said we didn't see any looting on saturday. even sunday afternoon had we seen a lotting. only sunday night it started to turn. this is the adjustment and help us lead this moment out to get back to a more normal place. >> in terms of what it looks like, mayor, can you give me numbers, not just quantity but qualitative assets you will bring to bear tonight. let's start with the numbers. how many police uniform and

otherwise did you increase on the streets? >> i have spoken to nypd commissioner shay. he doesn't want us to be public about the numbers. what i can tell you is there is a vast presence. i'm right here in lower manhattan, i'm looking, everywhere i see a big continue gens of police and huge number of evacuation out. this is the highest number of police we have had over the last five days. obviously, they are empowered by the early curfew. when the commissioner tells me he needs a tool i will always try to get it for him. we talked it through. as soon as we saw the looting last night we said we need the earlier curfew. i can see the people are very conscious. at 8:00, people were moving quick to try to get home. >> it makes it easier for the cops to have a curfew because

they don't have probable cause to stop people by definition being on the street in a way not acceptable to them is something they can stop you for. i want to give you a chance to respond and ask you a harder question. the idea the police weren't given the tools they wanted, you didn't want to see mounted cops and you didn't want to see everybody in riot gear and didn't want to see the tools they liked to use because you wanted to show a deference to the protesters. is that fair? >> no. it's false and i will tell you why it's false. i didn't have to weigh in on those decisions before commissioner shay said that was what he wanted to do. if he had said we needed mounted and more aggressive approaches, i would have said i think there could be real unintended consequences. the same thing about national guard, into a city this big, this complex, this diverse, people not trained to deal with an urban complex environment you

will run a real risk of violence and someone losing their life. i want to make the point the commissioner and i agreed on that and there was not the sense to make a situation a lot worse. in general, i want to be clear, overwhelmingly the protesters are peaceful. there's a small anarchist group violent and small criminal group violent but you're talking an infinitesimal amount compared to protesters peaceful. >> no doubt. but a little bit of people can do a lot wrong, we both know that. my last question, i've known you my whole life. you've even these issues before us now. you have kids who are uniquely exposed to these issues. for people on the streets who say to you, look, we have no other way to deal with this. things never get better.

people keep dying the same way, in equities stay the same, education gap stay the same, majority and minority never mix in two parts of this country the way we need it to. things won't get better. what is your message why anybody should think things can get better? >> such a powerful question, thank you. i have a daughter 25, who participated in the protesting and got arrested a few days ago. i have a son, 22 . both half caucasian and half african-american. you look at african-american kids. my son had encounters where he had to worry because of his race he might be misjudged. it's very personal in our family. as i talked to them, this is the best measure i've got for you. two decent young people who want to see a better world and put

themselves out there trying to help make that better world, they haven't given up. they can have a reasonable conversation. i say, hey, we got rid of stop-and-frisk in this city and body cams on every officer and put neighborhood policing and listening to communities and some once on the wrong side of the law now peace makers, violence interrupters. all we've been making happening in this city. i talk to my kids about it they see it as real progress and also say you're not going far enough and want to see more. they push me to go farther, especially on the question of faster discipline for officers and making sure the few officers who shouldn't be on the force are not on the force. these are reasonable conversations. like you said in the beginning, chris, why don't we have this conversation not as different sides and negative tribal perspective, human beings as americans trying to work it through. these things are not impossible to work through.

you know in new york city, seven years ago before i was mayor, stop-and-frisk, tons of tension between police and community. today a lot better not withstanding what we've gone through the last few days. change can happen and must happen. you're right, if protesters are saying you need to change. >> mr. mayor, thank you for being our eyes and ears and taking the opportunity tonight. i know it's a very busy and tough time. >> good to be with you. be safe. >> god bless to the rest of the family. >> the night is just starting. things do change at night. why? the biggest thing police will tell you, opportunity. harder to see people at night and harder to track, easier. that's why we all know things happen that are worse at night. what about this night? somebody who became the face of a potential solution of this relative between protester and

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with the curfew at 8:00, it gives us a reason, if we have a group starting to cause trouble we can stop them all and hopefully get them all off the street. we still have a lot of people marching around right now. we're monitoring groups of 1,000 here and a thousand there throughout manhattan and still some in brooklyn. as of now, it's been limited problems, but obviously we have our eye on it. >> you have a long way to go, obviously. it's always been the law man's problem, the darker it gets at night you will have more opportunity. what's your straight tyake why things went sideways last night. i was getting videos all day about looters. was it because there wasn't enough numbers? a different plan? something surprised you? why was it like that? >> they had a lot of people out there. we had a lot, they had more. they had a couple of thousand

kids running through either soho or upper manhattan hitting these places. someone would hit it and some go in or they'd circle back. it was cat and mouse all day. we made 700 arrests. there were 2,000 out here. we put handcuffs on 700 of them. the problem being is they're back out here again tonight. >> what's your take so far from the men and women who are in the action saying what you think you will discover about these looters? do you think there's crossover, they're all protesters or something else at hand? >> no. they're using the cover of protests to fill their pockets. it got out somehow it's all right, it's part of a protest to loot, and that's what they're doing. they came down here just to make money. and realizing once they do it, if they're caught for burglary and there's no consequence, if they're right back out on the

street again, why not do it again the next night. >> you're talking about their ability to get out of jail and other assets they have at their disposal, using city bikes and encrypted messaging, they're running a game, not people looking to get encrypted on society, they're looking to get over on society. >> absolutely. organizing what they do, utilize the city bikes, rebels, use them as scouts to see where we are, cause a diversion, set a fire somewhere. you go to that. another group goes in another direction. we cover one area heavy they're looping around to see where we are and not and making a quick strike. it's been a lot of cat and mouse. we grabbed a lot of them. our cops have been doing a tremendous job running, chasing, tackling and fighting. quite literally every time we make an arrest, it's a struggle. bottles do get thrown at us.

a lot of cops have gotten injured. up to 170 who have gotten injured and still working. >> coming on the heels of covid, you're up 17, almost 20% of people sick from that. you guys have been through it. when the chief is talking about rebels, he's not talking about people, scooters as a way of getting around. i got you on that, chief. you had a couple of moments where you wound up appealing and pissing off all people on this situation in the same day. you took a kneel with protesters. we're showing to it the audience right now. that's something some people took as capitulation to people saying cops are bad. you said at the time i work for these communities and i understand their pain. what made you take a knee? >> we were in a very tense situation. there were literally 5,000

protesters coming out of the park. we had maybe 50 cops and it got very contentious. a line was formed and there were organizers of that protest that were holding them back saying we're not against the cops, we're not against the police. it wasn't helping. he appealed to me, i can't stop them. help me. at that point, i approached him. i asked for a mic. i made a speech to the crowd and told them to get rid of these outside agitators working in our city, trying to take control of our city. to get rid of them, the cops in the community have had a great relationship, for the most part in this city. at that point, he asked if i'd go down on a knee with him. i said, sure, and we went down. very organic, nothing planned in what we did. >> in terms of what you wanted people to take from that, the idea people take that as a message that, look, look at the

top cop in new york city, he knows what happened to george floyd was wrong. are you okay with people taking that message? >> absolutely. what happened to george floyd was wrong. i don't think you could find a law enforcement officer in this country who would say that. there are 800,000 law enforcement officers in this country paying the price for what happened to george employed. that is wrong. we didn't do that. that happened and there's consequences to that cop. he is under arrest. we didn't do it. there's 800,000 law enforcement officers that work daily with our community that put our lives on the line, bleed for our communities. no way should we have to keep paying that price. >> on the other side, you said you don't believe racism plays a role in new york when it comes to policing. that is what the protesters say you have wrong, racism is inherent in these constant conflicts between people of

color and police. it has to have a role and maybe police officers, maybe even you are unaware of the role. >> listen, i said we all have inherent biases but not racism. we've all grown up differently. i haven't lived through the eyes of an african-american male, he hasn't lived through my eyes growing up. we may see the world differently. that doesn't make it racism and a cop going out and targets somebody because they're african-american. a cop goes out to target criminals. we have died to save people in minority communities. our police department is a majority minority community. neighborhood policing is all about creating these ties. you can go to any community in this city and you can see white officers with minority communities having tremendous, tremendous relationship. we are all the same, we are all human.

don't look at us as blue, we don't look at you in the community as criminals, we have to look at one another as human and how we move past everything. >> chief, community policing is huge. i know what a big proopponent you are of it, not just on days like today. someone who doesn't know you said today he took a knee today and this is what happens the other days. i know how you do this job and how you got where you are. i know what community policing means to you and i appreciate you doing this tonight and doing the job for the people of the city of new york. thank you very much and stay safe and god bless. >> thank you, chris. >> be well, thank you, chief. look, a lot of things are true at the same time. i've known monahan a long time. he's not just a good cop, a good man. does that mean he's going to make people happy all the time about that it's not racism. a lot of people pro law

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former nba player, stephen jackson is a close friend of george employed. he spoke out alongside members of floyd's family today demanding justice and he has a message for george's daughter, who will never see her father again. >> you know what, there's a lot of stuff you said he will miss i will be there for. i will walk her down the aisle, i will be there for her.

i will be there to wipe your tears. i will be here for you and gigi. floyd may not be here but i will get justice for him and my brother. >> jackson calls george floyd his twin. stephen jackson, thank you for taking the opportunity. >> thank you. i'm a big-time fan. >> thank you very much. i'm sorry. we don't want to just remember your friend because of what took his life. yes, it's very important. finding answers and getting justice is important, no question about that. who do you want people to know this man is so they don't just see him at one police stop? >> he was somebody dedicated to being a protector and provider for everybody. he was one of those guys that wanted to be the guy to make sure everybody was straight. a lot of times you grow up in the neighborhoods we grow up in, a lot of neighborhoods have different beefs and don't get along.

george could be from one side but the only guy from this side to go to the other side and make everybody get along. he was a peace maker and lover and just a protector. what i will miss most about him, as an athlete, you come across a lot of people that support you and around you for the wrong reasons. floyd was one friend that never abused our friendship. it was genuine. on our social media, he supported me like he was living through me. i will miss and have somebody that supported me the most and genuinely, i will miss not having him here. very seldom you find somebody support you that way and really want to see you win. >> i know you want to talk straight and you want people to understand who he was and what this is about. how do you deal with the perspective, no, no, i don't know who he was to you, here is who he was. this was about him committing a crime.

the police got called there and he wasn't compliant. that's how this all started. what is your response to that? >> i'm the mask after that. i got in a fight in a brawl in the nba two incidents and that overshadowed me my whole career. nobody knows me but today if somebody had a conversation with me they would say different. you can judge a book by its cover all you want but we are here to tell you who george floyd was. a lot of people can assume but only we know him. >> when you saw the video of what your friend was saying and how he was being handle, what effect did that have on you emotionally? >> it hurt because i seen me down there. that could have easily been me. knowing that -- what bothered me most my friend who showed so much love to everybody had to die from somebody who had so

much hate in him. he didn't deserve that. he didn't display hate to anybody. we have to get justice. that's the reason i am in minnesota now. >> what is justice? >> good question. we never had it so i can't answer it. it can start by those guys going to jail. a lot of people have asked me what is justice? i can't answer it because we haven't got it. anybody know the answer please tell me because i sure don't know. >> you think all four officers should go to jail? >> by far. not even close. >> if you could talk to the three officers who were watching, the officer who had his knee on your friend's throat, what would you ask them? >> can i get at least 30 minutes of your time, just me and them. that's what i would ask. i will be honest with you, i will be honest with you, i just want 30 minutes of their time? >> what would those 30 minutes be like?

>> just me and him behind closed doors, nobody needs to know. >> what would you be looking for in that room? >> answers. definitely looking for answers but i don't plan on asking them, i plan on taking them, just like they took my brother life. >> are you worried about -- not worried, but how do you struggle with not becoming what you oppose? you're a passionate guy. everybody knows who saw you play, if somebody brought the noise, you'd bring the funk right back to them, there would never be a question. one of the hard parts for people who want things to be better, there's this standard on you to be better, be better than the way they were to you. that's a hard thing to do to somebody in pain who's been hurt. anger is our first response. how do you deal with all that mixed emotion?

>> dealing with reality. i know i will never get to him or get that 30 minutes with him? what can i do? use my voice and stand for my brother and stand for his kids. any time i can use my voice to highlight what's going on here in minnesota and his case, i will do it. that's all i can do right now. obviously, the protests have been great and people are following me and looking for advice going forward. i love being in this position. but the looting and all that stuff, floyd wasn't about that. he wouldn't support that at all. he would love everybody screaming his name and away in iran and the netherlands and all that stuff, he appreciates all of that. we don't want the work we've done to get the noise and light on his situation taken away from us by a group of people who don't understand our same fight and same pain and we can't let them take away from that. >> any kind of exploitation, his freedom and rights and life and now of his cause, they're all

wrong. i understand you on that. i respect the pain that brought you to this place. i thought it was beautiful what you said to his daughter. it must mean so much to her because she must be so lost right now. if we can help you know we are a phone call away. i'm no stephen jackson but if i say it i mean it. i'm something the gofundme page right now for gianna floyd, if people want to fund it. i will tweet out the number. i know it fades as the moment fades. i'll be there. i'm a phone call away. >> i appreciate it. as i said, big-time fan. thanks again. >> thank you for taking the time. sorry for your los. >> thank you. what we witnessed all day across most of the country was what we've seen almost everyday since this started.

it's not 51-49, it's 90-10, this is democracy in action. you may not like what they say. that is your right not to like it and it is their right to say it. there is no duty to be tranquil when you protest because you're outraged in pain and hurt because of people that you care about that look like you and you feel for dying a lot. this is a situation that demands leadership. i keep telling you it's not going to happen, we have to lean on one another. i'm not being a cynic, i'm somebody who wants the best chance to get to a better place. how many times do you have to get hit on the knuckles by this president to understand he is not with these people on the streets. he wants to make them the enemy. he wants to see counter protests. he chases them out of a park so he can go stand in front of a church with a bible, holding a book whose messages he does not

hold in his heart. that's our reality. that's our reality. the question is what do we do about that reality? that's why we've got to keep talking and we've got to keep watching and see where this situation takes us. we'll do that next. now is the time to focus on what matters most. and your health is key to that. centrum supports your body with vitamin c and zinc to help maintain your immune system today and into the new tomorrow. centrum.

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keep track of them. each one means one less person vulnerable, one less person exposed, and one step closer to a healthier community. so for now, keep your distance. but don't lose count. we'll have some catching up to do. things change at night, things get dangerous at night, people get hurt at night. that's why we're paying special attention to cities all over the country. let's go to washington's lafayette park at the white house. not about protesters changing, people hide progressers looking for an advantage. it happens at night and you have seen it night after night. what's the situation right now?

>> reporter: that's exactly right. only two nights ago when we were on the air almost precisely at this moment a peaceful protest turning violent. we are in the third hour of this curfew and this is still a strong crowd, showing no sign of going home and chanting against the curfew. the crowd has thinned out significantly but hundreds remain pressed up against this fence. this fence is a new addition to this perimeter around lafayette park at the white house. we are showing the national guardsmen, but i have to say it has been an entirely peaceful protest all day. we have been here since the early afternoon hours. there has been very little in the way of altercations between the forces in the park and people out here. any time anyone in this crowd tries to start something by

throwing water bottles or rocking the fences there -- sir -- the protesters shout them down and try to stop them. chris, this is very much a quiet crowd, a peaceful crowd. as you note, things can change. the night is now wearing on. there is a curfew in effect. it remains to be seen whether anyone will enforce that. >> very interesting. you are seeing some people trying to get that fence to give way and watching other protesters go after them. what are those altercations like? how do they resolve? >> yeah. i would say about once an hour, people start rocking the fence. these panels of this fence are connected by chain link. essentially, the crowd just starts shouting at them to stop and start chanting peaceful protests, peaceful protests, or hands up, don't shoot so forces inside the park don't respond. those are federal forces, those

are not local d.c. forces. so far that has been effective. we have seen it in the past nights as well when protesters start throwing things, other protesters try to get them to stop to be a peaceful protests. the agitators come out at night. this is certainly a peaceful protest. they're still chanting for this to remain a peaceful protest. >> thank you. alex. you and the team stay safe and let us know when you need to come back. >> one quick side note, i want to get deeper into this agitator element. because the group looks like one big mass of people, there are a lot of different factions in there. this trend on social media, do you understand how absurdity is some are saying, if they just want to protest, why are they wear masks? there's a pandemic going on?

did you think of that? not every masked man is a criminal during a pandemic? that's why. or maybe because especially in front of the white house last night they're anticipating bad things being done to them in order to move them out of the way. please think, be open. don't be bit by cynicism on everything. that's how we got here. we have to start thinking differently or we will never get out of it. all right? to that point, again, them beating up on these protesters yesterday, that was about this president wanting political advantage. i don't know what he thought it would mean and to who standing in front of that church. now, it's not just about that image, you know who's out there, antifa. that's who it is, the outside agitator. let's get some facts about what this means, who is in there, what is the reality on the ground about what is legit and

illegit. i know it's complicated. our understanding is you have white supremacists dressing up to look like what they're not. you have left wing fringe, off shoots of antifa, black lives matter, people sometimes use the symbol of those causes but they're not legit. you have other parts a part of that, and they're not legit either. it's complicated. the problem is real and simple. how it breaks down is complicated. who knows? charles ramsey and andrew mccabe. his best selling book of how the fbi protects america in the age of gentleman and trump. i trust to this point, andrew, i've gotten it all correct in terms of what you are seeing out there. the president is playing to antifa and we know why. he wants the left, specifically

democrats to own all left wing groups. the political play i won't burden you guys with, that's dangerous because he has to own the people on the right. if democrats own antifa he has to own the knee in terms of the reality of agitators in these groups and mixed attends, andrew, what's the reality? >> chris, the reality is there are always a hodgepodge, a mix of people who are drawn to these events because of the masses, because of the violence, because of the opportunity to engage in criminal activity. people from all walks of life from very different positions politically and ideologically who simply take advantage of the chaos and the movement of the crowd to pursue whatever aims they have. having left-wing or right-wing beliefs is not a crime in this country, it is when you engage in criminal activity that it becomes something that law enforcement has to investigate and has to try to separate out

from the crowd that is peacefully protesting and exercising their first amendment rights. >> now, commissioner, in every one of these situations i've been in, i've never had anybody tell me it was just one group or just one wing. it seems the bigger the protest the more opportunity. it's always left-wing and right-wing. the president has been very sure of himself in saying no right-wing, all left-wing. do you believe that? and what is the significance to you, chief -- commissioner? >> no, i don't believe it at all. and andy's right, you know, i've handled a lot of demonstrations -- excuse me. we always have these agitators that are there. they have a totally different agenda. they could be far-left, could be far-right or just could be people who just want to cause some problems, and it takes away from the majority of people that are there. i was impressed today, actually, with the demonstrations, as large as they were, how peaceful they were. >> andy, so what's the challenge in figuring out who is who is

what's what? commissioner, you got something there to drink? i need you healthy. i'm going to be leaning on you every day. i need you 100%. go ahead. andy, what's the challenge for you in terms of policing these situations? >> chris -- you know, chris, as with any one of these situations, the thing i would ask your viewers to focus on is evidence. instead of listening to both sides casting apersians on the other, let's see the evidence. so far we haven't seen any evidence of individuals who are -- who we know to be affiliated with or drawn to let's say antifa ideology actually being involved in the protests. evidence would be seeing a known antifa affiliated person actually come under arrest for engaging in criminal activity or maybe seeing someone who we know to be -- hold themselves out as an antifa spokesperson making credible claims of responsibility on social media. those are the sort of indicators that local law enforcement and the fbi will look to to try to

determine whether or not there is actually a significant element of antifa-motivated folks that are driving some of this violence. >> and commissioner, let me give you a last word on this. so you have your radicals, you know so you have your legitimate protesters. let's just make up numbers. let's say that 85%. then you have 15% that are a mix of your anarchists, your guy fox people, your left wing, your right wing, then you have this other group, commissioner. you have looters. you have a criminal element that mixes in here from that community that may look like the protesters, but they're not there for the same reason as the protesters. >> yeah, they're opportunists. i mean, that's what you saw in new york, that's what you saw in philadelphia, that's what you've seen in some other cities as well. they use this as cover because cops can't be everywhere. you know, we talk about numbers, you talk about nypd, how big they are, they still have a city to cover, 911 calls still come in, there is still crime being committed, they can't put everybody, all 38,000 cops

downtown with protesters. so, you know, they know that your resources are spread a little bit thin and they take advantage of it. we had a lot of problems here in philly yesterday as a result of that. and we spent a lot of time chasing after them, but there -- it's so widespread and it's very organized, by the way. these aren't just small groups of kids that, you know, are just out there, you know, with a brick breaking in. this is very organized. it reminds me, more sophisticated than the flash mobs we dealt with a couple of years ago with kids on social media to run through a macy's and what have you. this is very well-organized. that's going to be a problem for law enforcement for a while to come. but you're absolutely right, different kinds of groups, different kinds of agenda, but the problem is it takes away from the legitimate message that people are trying to get across, and that is something that we can't allow to happen. >> commissioner, thank you very much.

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canadian prime minister justin trudeau was asked about president trump's response to the protests. i want you to see how he answered it. >> we do have donald trump now calling for military action against protestors. we saw protestors tear gassed yesterday to make way for a presidential photo-op. i'd like to ask you what you think about that, and if you don't want to comment, what message do you think you're sending?

>> we all watch in horror and consternation what's going on in the united states. it is a time to pull people together, but it is a time to listen. it is a time to learn what injustices continue, despite progress over years and decades. but it is a time for us as canadians to recognize that we, too, have our challenges. >> what do you take from the silence, 20 seconds? was it a stunt? what was the effect? for me,