>> and thank you all very much for joining us tonight. our coverage continues now with anderson and ac 360. >> good evening for a tenth straight day in cities across this country people are in the streets. the vast majority protesting george floyd's murder, four fired and charged police officers, and conduct that for generations has hurt black americans. in addition to marches and other demonstrations today we saw a gathering honoring mr. floyd's memory and greechlg his loss, the first of several. the one today in the city where he died and as people in the twin cities and all over 9 world mourned, the three officers charged yesterday with complicity as officer derek chauvin kept his knee on mr. floyd's neck as his life drained away, they made their first court appearances. more on all that tonight. the memorial, demonstrations that have been so calm, the curfews that ended tonight in los angeles county and washington, d.c., we'll look

closer just why washington still resembles an armed camp and just who ordered all those armed unidentifiable forces onto the streets there. plus, in the wake of former defense secretary mattis calling the president a threat to the constitution, we're joined by another retired four-star general, the former commander of u.s. and nato forces in afghanistan, general john allen who warns that the president's crowd clearing to enable his bible stunt on monday, quote, may well signal the beginning of the end of the american experiment. we have a lot to get to tonight starting with cnn's miguel marques in minneapolis. ♪ oh, praise god noug ♪ >> reporter: moments of prayer and reflection. >> everybody wants justice, we want justice for george. he's going to get it. he's going to get it. [ applause ] >> i want you to know he would stand up for any injustice everywhere. whew. can-all please say his name?

>> george floyd. >> thank y'all. [ applause ] >> reporter: as the city and the country mourn floyd killed by minneapolis police, which has sparked ten days of protest and outrage. >> the reason why we are marching all over the world is we were like george. we couldn't breathe. not because it was something wrong with our lungs, but you wouldn't take your knee off our neck. we don't want no favors. just get up off of us. and we can be and do whatever we can be. >> reporter: the three former police officers that either held floyd down or stood by and watched made their first court appearance after being charged with aiding and abetting, second degree murder, all being held on at least $750,000 in bail. police here have released highly redacted personnel records on the four officers, including a

2007 incident where derek chauvin now charged with second degree murder was reprimanded after claims he needlessly removed a woman from her car. >> it is very difficult to hold a police accountable even when there is violation of law. >> reporter: and there are new details from a friend who was in the car with floyd during the arrest. maurice lester hall telling "the new york times" he was from the beginning trying in his humblest form to show he was not resisting in no form or way. i could hear him pleading, please, officer, what's all this for? today thousands protests by walking across the brooklyn bridge joined by floyd's brother terrence. and as floyd's life is remembered in minneapolis, new questions are being raised about other cases of police using controversial neck restraint in tacoma, washington, sarasota, florida, and sacramento.

>> this is the time. we won't stop. we're going to keep going until we change the whole system of justice. >> miguel marques joins us now. miguel, on the day, the first day of a series of memorials, i'm wondering how the day went and what you're hearing. >> reporter: it feels a bit like a somber protest. the sense of defiance and a sense of where do we go from here. here at the memorial, the growing memorial where george floyd died just a few feet from where i'm standing, it's gotten much bigger. it's almost celebratory. they have an open mic now, communal open mic where anybody who wants to come up to say something, to pray, to sing, to recite poetry, they can do that. also for those where the neighborhoods have been destroyed, perhaps their stores are no longer there, they can come down here to get food, get water, get all the household goods that they might need. they can even register to vote down here. this has become sort of the

center of minneapolis, at least for now. anderson? >> miguel marques, appreciate it. thank you, joining us now cnn legal analyst laura coats, gloria brown marshall john jay college of crim 23458 justice and author of race. laura, i wonder what you made of the memorials today. they are just beginning. the funeral in houston is going to be on on tuesday. >> it was incredibly powerful, i felt, to hear from reverend al sharpton and the family, of course. precisely because really of the amount of time that reverend al sharpton has been trying to articulate these concerns and over the course of history we see how really systemic these problems are. and he made a couple of references about really the general theme, from trevon, keith ellison, to barack obama to what he's saying today about a holistic approach to justice and criminal justice reform. talking about every aspect of it. i thought it was very powerful, very compelling and really

articulated the overall atmosphere and feelings of the nation. >> professor brown marshall, when people talk about criminal justice reform, police reform, there is obviously a lot of different ways to go about it. there's a lot of different points of view on it. i'm wondering what for you would be priorities in terms of police reform. >> well, anderson, you know we've been around this a long time, and i said on your show before that the system is rigged. now what we're seeing with this particular instance is officer chauvin was -- on training day, these other three officers had minimal experience, days of experience. he is training them how to abuse authority. he is training them how to harm people in the african-american community. and so we see that although we have policies, if the trainee and the policy is only supposed to be for certain people, that they will take a time to talk and de-escalate situations in

the white community, but now we're seeing how despite whatever the standard of law is, whatever they're learning in the actual academy, the individual officers are explaining to younger officers how to be brutal, cruel and break the constitutional rights of other people and take their lives and then get away with it. so unfortunately, we're seeing behind the scenes. in order to stop this from happening, there's got to be criminal liability to the officer and a change in the prosecutor's office. the prosecutors have too much power not to bring a case, and the officers have too much power to hurt people in the african-american community and get away with it. >> laura, it's so interesting what the professor is saying. when you read the criminal complaint, one of the officers -- the officer who i guess was one of the new officers -- asked, was the one who actually raised the point that mr. floyd is in distress and should he perhaps be put

over on his side. and it's officer chauvin who says, no, he's staying exactly where he is. >> yeah, i mean, the idea that a rookie essentially would be able to have a greater sense of humanity -- and i'm not calling the treatment or the action any of these officers humane given that they are now being charged, essentially of aiding and abetting second degree murder by officer chauvin. that the idea that a 19-year veteran did not have the experience or level of humanity to be able to know that somebody was dying underneath him. and remember, you're talking about a police department who had to write in after the department of justice came and looked at the ineffectiveness of its policies and tracking problematic police officers, trying to ensure that there were ways for the community to know who -- which officers were presenting problems, which were not abiding -- even added a thing called sanctity of life, anderson, talking about the

cornerstone of effective policing. the fundamental thing the professor is talking about as well is every officer knows that you can only use the level of force needed to repel the force. lethal force can only be used to repel lethal force, not when there is not even active resistance and somebody is unresponsive below you, below the knee, that you are placing on the person's neck. i mean, fundamentally, even if the training was there, that's why these officers were fired and it is such a der leeliction duty by the chief's firing and now the prosecution. >> professor, in order to get real reform at all, you're talking about systematic reform at all levels -- i mean, not just at the criminal justice system. but let's focus on the criminal justice system for this discussion. i mean, is there the political will, the capabilities -- it just seems like a herculean task and i'm wondering -- i guess it starts with a first step.

>> one of the first steps, anderson, is criminal liability. one of the first steps is to take the amount of discretion the prosecutor's office has. it's inept when it comes to the civilian crime that's committed by a law enforcement officer, but the prosecutor's office is brilliant when it comes to civilian upon civilian crime. and so the idea that ellison is here because we can't trust mike freeman, the prosecutor, to actually do his job efficiently when it comes to a law enforcement officer. so my concern is let's -- let's look at how much power they have. let's reform the prosecutor's office and then if we have criminal liability, these officers won't feel they can literally get away with murder. >> gloria brown marshall, laura coats, thank you. i'm sorry, laura, did you want

to say something? >> i was going to say there certainly is a forum there, but it has to be at the expense of the supreme court wanting to review it. it has to be about reinforcing the rolled back consent decrees jeff sessions pulled back as his last act in office before he was let go, shall we say. it's about human rights campaigns against the officer. it's always about as congress has the power of the purse, anderson. you know full well that one of the ways in which you can incentivize people to behave appropriately is through these consent decrees. it's also through civil liability and recourse, and, of course, effective police training and accountability. unfortunately, criminal prosecution as keith ellison has been talking about is going to be one piece of a very large pie. necessary, but part of a more holistic approach. >> laura coats, thank you. gloria brown marshall as well. the memorial service is saturday in ray ford, north carolina, where mr. floyd's sister lives. the funeral will be held next

week in houston. i spoke about an hour or so ago with houston's mayor, sylvester turner. mayor turner, i'm sure you watched the memorial certificate vils for george floyd in minneapolis today. reverend sharpton delivered the eulogy. he said what happened to mr. floyd happens every day in this country and it's time for us to stand up in george floyd's name and say, get your knee off our necks. i'm wondering what your reaction was when you heard that. >> well, i mean, it does happen way too often, you know, anderson. it is important, for example, that we create a system or devise a system that respects everyone. every life is important. every neighborhood is important. and it doesn't matter which city you're in. we always should be taking a look at our policies, our practices and our procedures. we can always do things better. training is critically important. and it's especially important now when there are a lot of people that are experiencing a great deal of anxiety, nervousness. there are mental behavioral

health issues, so training becomes important. especially de-escalation training and crisis intervention training. >> when people talk about police reform, there is obviously a lot of different arms about that criminal justice reform and also police reform. for you -- >> right. >> -- police reform begins with training. >> it begins with -- it begins with training. and not just training in general. that can be generic. but what's important is crisis intervention training. we started that in the city of houston back in 1998. we still need to refine it. now every single cadet has to go through 40 hours of crisis intervention training. and we are looking now to see whether or not that even needs to be increased. >> you know confidence is at just incredibly low among many -- certainly the people who are protesting in the streets, among many americans, particularly african-americans, particularly people of color. there is a growing move to

defund police protesters are calling for. when you hear that as a mayor obviously, i'm wondering how you see that. obviously there's -- how do you see it? >> i hear it all the time, anderson. i hear it all the time. we just had a public hearing. our budget process starts next week and there were a number of speakers who came just this week and talked about defunding or reducing the police budget. let me just say for the city of houston, we're the fourth largest city in the united states. we have 5300 police officers covering 640 square miles. to give you some comparison, chicago is the third largest city. they have about 12,000 police officers covering 275 miles. and our city, we need more police officers. mostly of our people in our community are saying we need more. it's not the question of how many or defunding. what people want and what they deserve is good policing. they're wanting police officers

who recognize that every single person, every community is important. everyone needs to be respected. so they want good policing. they want accountability and they want a system that they can believe in. that's what's important. if you do that, then people will be supportive. look, i grew up in the hood, as we would say, in the city of houston. and as the mayor of city of houston, i still in the same neighborhood. i still live in the hood. george floyd, for example, grew up in this city. he grew up on the south side, graduated from jack yates in the hood, so to speak. i grew up on the northside. i graduated in acres home. i understand how people have been overlooked. i've lived in this city all my life. there have been tensions that existed. we've worked very hard to build that trust between the police and the community. >> his funeral is going to be in houston on tuesday. i understand -- i read that he's going to actually have a police

escort. is that correct? >> that is true. we will be providing security from the time when his body returns over the weekend, and then we will escort him to the funeral home and on to the church. look, just this past tuesday, 60,000 people in the city of houston marched downtown. i was right there with them, to pay tribute to george floyd and to support his family. they will carry a pain and a loss for the rest of their lives. we wanted to honor them, to support them. and when his body returns to the city in which he was reared, graduated from high school, we're going to do the same thing. the family has asked that we do it in such a way that it will be peaceful, to pay tribute to him, and not to defame or deface his memory. >> mayor turner, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thanks. thanks, anderson, appreciate it. >> we have much more ahead

tonight on this as well as the growing number of retired top military commanders standing up and speaking out about the failures of president trump in handling this moment in our history, failing to reach out to all americans and why so many of them are concerned about the very future of america's democracy. another retired four star general speak out tonight. john allen, former commander u.s. and nato forces in afghanistan joins us next. and later new testimony in the videotaped murder of ahmaud arbery in georgia. new information about what they did to mr. arbery who was out for a jog. hunting him down, hitting him with a truck, shooting him to death, and now we know the words one of the killer's shouted as mr. arbery lay dead in the street. your world is changing.

it's ok to just stay quiet. it's ok to feel like you just wanna become someone else. it's ok to weep for hours in the middle of the day. it's ok to talk to your cats like they understand what you're saying. it's ok. it's ok.

it's ok. the president tonight is in the middle of a raging tweet storm about former defense secretary james mattis who as you know went on the record against the president's church publicity stunt on monday, and the beating and firing of pepper balls on peaceful protesters leading up to it. he called donald trump, quote, the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the american people, does not even pretend to try. instead he wrote, he tries to divide us. tonight the president repeated his false claim that he fired mattis, general mattis in fact resigned. he lashed out at former chief of staff retired john kelly for also pointing out that the claim of him firing mattis is false. suffice it to say the man last night who even avoided one second in uniform talked about his long millery career.

the president is talking about someone he hand picked for his cabinet and boasted about. he basked in the accomplishment of what military commanders do. what general mattis actually did in the pages of the atlantic was in service to the country the constitution he swore to protect and defend. lisa murkowski became the lone voice, she told manu raju, i thought general mattis's words were true, honest, necessary and overdue. she added she is struggling over whether to support the president in november. tonight the president vowed to campaign against her when she runs for reelection. our next guest has weighed in along with general mattis. he, too, is a four star marine general, former commander of nato forces in afghanistan. john allen writes, remember the date. it may seem the beginning of the end of the american experiment. he went on to write, while monday was truly horrific, no one should have been surprised, indeed the moment was clarifiesing in so many ways. general allen is currently president of the brookings institution and he joins us now.

general, thank you so much for being with us. the beginning of the end of the american experiment. when i read that, i found it really chilling given your experience and all you have seen. can you just elaborate on that? >> anderson, we haven't been at this place in history in the history of this country ever. let's remember what's going on here. we are experiencing a global lethal pandemic. over 107,000 dead. more than 40 million unemployed. our economy is in tatters, almost 2 million americans infected. all of that's an operating system over just four months behind this awful moment of the death of george floyd. let me just take a moment and offer my deepest condolences to the family and to the community of minneapolis on mr. floyd's passing, and how incredibly emotional that memorial service was today. and so, it's a moment, an

incredible moment for us, anderson, and a context of we can take this as an opportunity to look at those factors that have brought hundreds of thousands of americans into the streets to protest massive social injustice, centuries of racism and discrimination. or we can make this a security problem and ultimately treat those individuals as a security problem themselves as they are seeking to exercise their first amendment rights, of freedom of speech and freedom of assembly. of course, that thing is -- by us in so many ways in america, the right to dissent. and so we can take this moment, the leaders of this country can take this moment and take stock of why we are in this situation,

and we can judge the issues with compassion, empathy, sympathy, and instead of debating whether to commit federal troops against american citizens, let's debate how we can pursue real reform. let's look at the legislative changes that need to be made. the reforms from the bottom up of the police forces, and how washington can partner with governors and with mayors rather than upbraid them, to see how we can take this moment. and rather than treat the american people as a potential enemy, treat the american people as a population with guaranteed rights under the constitution who are in enormous pain right now, pain from the pandemic and pain from the realities of what is ultimately at the heart of the death of george floyd. let's use this as the moment. as i said at the end of this -- at the end of my paper, as a moment not ultimately to make this a security issue, but an

issue of hope. and if we do that, this is the opportunity for us to save the american democracy, reinforce that which is at the center of it, our constitution, and move forward as a people united. this is the chance the president has. and i hope he'll seize it. >> not only in your career of service in what you saw around the world and in all the posts that you held, but just as a leader of men and women in battle and in peace and in war, but also american forces, also international forces when you were in afghanistan. i'm just wondering what did you learn about leadership, leading black and brown and asian and white and people from all different countries around the world that this leader, that this president does not understand? >> well, i can't tell you what he understands or not, anderson, but i can simply tell you what i know with respect to leadership, and that is the finest leaders

that i know are humble servant. those who are willing to lead from the front, those who are willing to make themselves accessible, those who demonstrate real compassion and respect for those that they lead. i grew up in a service when i was very young -- i enlisted when i was 17. one of the greatest challenges we had in the very early '70s was the issue of race. and we overcame it by learning how to respect each other and how to trust each other and how to lead from a position of humility, and lead from a position of the sense by officers that we truly serve those that we lead. those examples are on full display in our terrific military every single day. and i served with jim mattis and he was one of those kinds of leaders, as was mike mullen and jim stavridas and those who express themselves on this issue. but i have to tell you that those kinds of qualities are

desperately needed right now. the american people are looking for leadership at the senior levels, at the most senior level. and this is a chance for the president to truly unite the country as he tries to lead us through the covid crisis, but also to lead our people through this moment of intense pain by virtue of centuries of inequity and social injustice and inequality. it can't be about security. it has got to be about the future, bringing our people together and resolving these issues of inequality. here is the president's chance to truly lead our country forward in a unified manner. >> things like police reform, criminal justice reform, look, they're very complex issues. there's a lot of moving parts to it. how much do you think something like police reform is about leadership ultimately? >> it's all about leadership, anderson. any reform is about leadership. now, there will be components that are technical dimensions to it. there will be equipping and training and education and

recruiting. all of those things fit in some form or another in the larger spectrum of policing. but it's all about leadership. it's about the leaders at the heads of the various forces, the commissioners and the police chiefs, setting the example, setting high standards for performance, ensuring that police are trained to the right kinds of standard so that as they're doing community policing they are identified as being of the people and not against the people. and you've seen this already. the reporting cnn has done this reporting and others, where police officers, police leadership, and the police themselves in this awful moment have taken the opportunity to take a knee and hold hands with those who are demonstrating to show solidarity with why they are demonstrating, why are they in such pain. and how can the police protect them as they demonstrate and how can the police be part of the solution and not be viewed as the problem. and, anderson, as you well know,

the vast, vast majority of the police in this country serve selflessly. their lives are on the line every single day. and some of them are paying with their lives probably even as we speak because of the attacks on the police. this is an opportunity for reform from the bottom up and it's an opportunity for leadership from the top down. this is -- that was my point when i said, when you look at what was happening on the first of june, we as a people have an opportunity, a rare opportunity that comes along only very infrequently in our history during moments of great crisis and duress, for the leadership of this country to exercise the kind of compassion, the kind of assertive leadership that can solve these problems once and for all and bring the country together, get us through this pandemic, recover our economy, and ultimately take the leadership position on the globe that the united states should. >> general allen, i appreciate your time and your words tonight. thank you.

>> thank you, anderson. >> cnn's political analyst maggie haberman has been reporting these days about the president's, well, what the president is up to. she is, of course, white house correspondent at the "the new york times." she joins me. the fact that general allen, general mattis, these high-profile retired generals with extraordinary records of service are speaking out against the president -- against the president. it is rare to -- that former generals at this level come forward like this. >> it is. look, we saw this from some military leaders during 2016 campaign around the time of the conventions, such as general allen talking about the problems that he saw coming with donald trump. clearly those problems remained. i think people have had four years to see that what was described by president trump's, then candidate trump's advisor

as him playing a role at the time is really not a role. this is who he is. and i think they are making clear that this is in their minds a threat going forward. what has been striking is the volume of people who general mattis has served under president trump, who spent extensive time working in this administration. he obviously has been under a lot of pressure to speak sooner. some democrats think it's too late. i think it is a precarious moment for the president, especially as he is fighting with current department of defense leadership where he risks losing the military support. and that is, that is a dangerous place for a commander in chief to be. so i think that we will see if there are more people coming forward in the coming days to talk about this president. the president is obviously very bothered by it. we've seen his tweets which is consistent with what he's saying to his advisers. he is angry at general mattis. if there are more people speaking against him, people who have worn the uniform, i think

that would be very jarring to him. >> it's astounding to me that anybody who works around the president must know by now that no matter how they debase themselves in order to curry favor with him, that in the end he will turn on them and he will try to destroy them if they move beyond him, if they say anything that he doesn't like. >> look, i think the president's supporters have framed it repeatedly as he's just a counter puncher. when he gets criticized he punches back. what he does to people if they disagree with him on anything, whether it's him personally or a policy matter, he attacks them personally. i think you have seen repeatedly one person after another who has left this administration try to orchestrate it in a way where they weren't getting hate tweeted on the way out the door. and so i do think that this is something that people are mindful of around him, to your point. he clearly is willing to do this

with almost anybody with whatever resume they have. i think that that weighs on people and i think that it has been something that kept people working for him. there are people, anderson, who do genuinely i think believe in the policy matters, who do believe in what he does, and who do care about him personally. but the level of morale in the white house now is really bad. there are people who are putting pretty candid and private conversations about this showing the limits of his abilities in this job. this past week showing the limits of his abilities in this job. >> yeah, i always found it amazing people call him a counter puncher and the idea he knows how to throw a punch. this is coming from somebody who has no idea how to throw a punch. i know it when i see it. i just find it ludicrous. maggie haberman, thank you very much. coming up next what attorney general barr said about monday's photo op and the time line that refutes his argument there was no correlation between clearing

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today attorney general bill barr denied that the violent and sudden clearing of protesters and subsequent photo op by the president we've been discussing tonight were coordinated. >> there was no correlation between our tactical plan of moving the perimeter out by one block and the president's going over to the church. >> that denial would be funny and ridiculous if what he did wasn't so dangerous. ordering police to rough up innocent americans exercising their right to free speech just so president trump could stand in front of a church, hold up a bible and say, nothing, for a photo op. and the time line of what we all saw with our eyes on live television, completely refutes mr. barr's explanation. to review, at about 6:10 p.m. on monday, cnn cameras first spot

barr, protesters and law enforcement. 12 minutes later he leaves the president's speech from the rose garden. he's not ducking for cover, being pelted with anything. he's standing there, hands in pockets watching the peaceful pro tersz. nine minutes later, 6:31 as law enforcement has gotten closer to the protesters, alex marquart sees them putting on gas masks. four minutes later, 6:35 p.m., cnn spots law enforcement using some sort of gas or smoke. now keep in mind according to alex marquart the action by law enforcement was unprovoked. minutes later president trump begins to speak in the rose garden that lasts less than 7 minutes. shortly after president trump is headed to the grounds from spots where the protesters minutes before have been violently pushed back. he reaches the church at 7:08. he gets handed that bible by his daughter ivanka trump who carried it in her white purse over to the church. all that happened in just under an hour. and attorney general barr would

like you to believe the two had nothing to do with each other. that the video on your left had nothing to do with the video on your right. even though, again, president trump was walking to where the protesters had been. and remember, this whole thing was designed to be a photo op, to show strength. so, of course, they would want -- they probably thought these side by side images were good. they probably thought, wow, he looks so strong, saying that these protesters are going to be cleared, and having them cleared at the very same time. it's absurd now to -- in realizing that it doesn't look so good. in fact, using force against peaceful protesters is exactly against what the president claims he supports. it's absurd. it's not the only thing attorney general barr has been up to when it comes, by the way, using his power to quell the protest. alex marquart joins us from d.c., the exact spot he was at when this went down on monday. can you detail what kinds of law

enforcement agencies and military units you've seen on the streets there? >> reporter: anderson, it's been unbelievable. i've been trying to put together a complete list. and if i started rattling off all the names it would sound like alphabet soup. it has really been every agency under the sun. you've had the u.s. park police which are federal police officials inside the park, along with u.s. secret service. you've had atf, dea, fbi. one of the most remarkable ones, anderson, was the bureau of prisons. so you've literally had prison guards, many of them from texas. i saw one wearing a t-shirt from a prison near houston right out there yesterday on that front line, and over there on h. street right off of lafayette park, surrounding the white house. so that really speaks to this incredible patchwork of law enforcement officials who have descended upon washington, d.c., for the sake of law enforce: of course, you have d.c. national guard that was pulled up. more than 4,000 national guard

from different states. you also have active duty troops from fort drum in new york and fort bragg in north carolina that were called to d.c. they were never deployed into the street, but, of course, anderson, you saw that back and forth essentially between the president who would like to see military in the streets and his secretary of defense mark esper who has been very uncomfortable with that. so you've really had this incredible long list of different types of federal agencies. and today we saw speaker of the house nancy pelosi write to president trump saying she's very concerned about the increased militarization and lack of clarity about these agencies that may increase chaos, she said, anderson. >> you know, in subsequent days the white house has been claiming, well, that the president restored law and order to that little area that they then wandered through in order to make the trek to the church. the idea that they were restoring law and order against peaceful protesters is just ludicrous.

>> reporter: and i should note, anderson, we're at the steps of that church st. john's because there's been a huge thunderstorm that has just come through, just pelting everybody with rain and getting us all soaking wet. that has not deterred those protesters out there who are back up against the fence at lafayette park which has been reinforced overnight. that is the exact spot, anderson, where the crackdown began. you have attorney general bill barr saying that essentially those protesters provoked the response from the law enforcement. i was out there for 3 1/2 hours to the dot before that crackdown started. i was so impressed that there hadn't been any sort of projectil projectiles thrown by the protesters at the police. i kept turning to my team including producer jaymy crawford to say if they had seen anything. they did not. you had attorney general barr saying there was something thrown at the police after the warning of the crackdown. we saw neither of those things. as you noted just after 6:30 p.m., around 6:35, just before

the president was going into the rose garden, that crackdown started, sweeping through that area, firing all sorts of things that made everybody out here, our team included, choke, cry, and cough in order to forcibly violently sweep out what was a very peaceful protest, anderson. >> alex marquart, appreciate you being there. thank you. our next guess knows a lot about leading troops in a major crisis in a major american city. he was in new orleans after leading hurricane katrina in 2005. take a look. >> hey, weapons down! weapons down, weapons down. put that weapon down. you're delivering food. weapons down!

put it on your back! >> general honore, i had the privilege of being in new orleans, the gulf coast at that time. when you did that, i just remember being so impressed because it wasn't about the military coming in to dominate a battle space. it was about, as you said, bringing food to people. this president views the use of military forces as -- he's characterizing all these protesters as anarchists, as looters, as thugs. >> most unfortunate that that description of peaceful protest -- there are looters in there. there are troublemakers in there. but to characterize the general population of washington, d.c., many of those people on the street out there work in the government. they're the people that make the city run. and to characterize them because

they're protesting in this manner is most unfortunate, and i hope the president learns am manners in how he describes the citizens of the united states. and you know, anderson, another thing that we hadn't gotten much into is that helicopter, that lone medevac hillary clinton. it had to be a national guard helicopter because active duty doesn't have that kind of helicopter. that is the most protected air space in the world, the white house air space has rings around it that automatically deploy. so somebody approved that high up in the government -- >> people don't realize you're talking about a helicopter that was told to fly low in order to help disperse the crowd because of the wind that would be created by the rotors. in fact, the president tweeted about that tonight, praising the pilot as a very talented pilot which no doubt i'm sure the pilot is a very talented pilot. but praising the idea of using a national guard helicopter or

whatever branch it was from, in order to clear, again, peaceful protesters from the white house area is, again, just extraordinary what the images that we are getting used to. where do you see this going? i mean, you know, where do you see this going? >> it's got to be investigated. that whole chain of command that approved that. any air mission is multiple errors of approval. you have the military district of washington. you have the ops run by the secret service and the fbi. so there's multiple levels of command and control that control that space around the white house. i know it because that was one of my jobs when i was in joint chiefs of staff as deputy chief of operations. that helicopter, using it as a weapon of intimidation against our own citizens, is inappropriate and it's stupid.

we are lucky we didn't end up with a helicopter on the ground on fire. >> what's so interesting to me what you said to those young troops in new orleans that we just showed, you know, the gentleman who was holding his rifle, you know, the way he was and you said, put it down, he's not a bad person. he probably just, you know, he was doing what he thought was right. it's about leadership, as general allen was saying earlier in this program. you're the leader. you point out to him, you know, that sends a message that you don't want to be sending. that's not our role here, and that's what leadership is about. and that's required for real change to happen. >> well, you know, i respect the troops on the ground. i respect those pilots because somebody told them to do that. but they know better. the army taught them better than that, to use the damn helicopter as a weapon of intimidation. that is stupid. >> general honore, i appreciate your time as always. thank you. up next new details in court in the ahmaud arbery case, another

black man whose killing was caught on video. what they said happened in his last minutes of life when we continue.

. the tenth night of protests across the u.s. over the death of george floyd and generations of injustice. demonstrators are also calling for justice in the ahmad arbery case. that includes this protest in brunswick, georgia. he was 25 years old, out for a jog and he was horrificically chased and gunned down. three white men are involved in

the case. it is hard to hear and we want to warn you it is hard to watch this but this happened. the only we know about it is these murderers were so proud what they did to a fellow human being because of the color of his skin they videotaped it. here's martin savidge who was in the courtroom today. >> reporter: it was a hearing that sounded like a trial. georgia prosecutors summed up their case against three white men accused of killing a 25-year-old black man running through their neighborhood. >> on february 23rd of 2020 the victim ahmad arbery was chased, hunted down and ultimately executed at the hands of these men. >> reporter: the three defendants, gregory mcmichael and his son travis and william rodney brian, jr. appeared via video link to the county jail. they noilgsally said they thought arbery was a burglary

suspect. thaits arbery did nothing wrong. >> the fact of the matter is there's no evidence these defendants saw a burglary, saw any crime, had any subjected belief or even a hunch by these civilians that would authorize their choices they made to chase after and ultimately gun down this unarmed victim in the middle of the street. >> reporter: in fact arbery was out jogging the day he died. friends say it's what he loved to do. prosecutors detail the events leading up to arbery's death saying all three men using two pickup trucks became a neighborhood hunting party blocking and redirecting arbery as he tried to flee before they finally cornered him. one of the suspects captured arbery's final moments on cellphone video. on the witness stand the lead investigator in the case said 34-year-old travis mcmichael admitted to the first officers on the scene he deliberately shot arbery three times with a

shotgun. then agent richard dialshocked the courtroom alleging what coconspirator said travis mcmichaels said next. >> he said after the shooting took place before police arrival while mr. arbery was on the ground he heard travis michael make a statement [ bleep ]. >> i should point out that the defense attorneys for travis mcmichael anderson have denied that travis mcmichael ever made that racial slur and that the defense attorneys for all the men have maintained that all they were trying to do that day even though two of the men were armed was trying to have a conversation with ahmad arbery. but that all went wrong, they say, when ahmad arbery turned on them and that travis mcmichael had to fire in self-defense. one last thing that hate language, that awful alleged language from travis mcmichael

may not have any alleged bearing on his trial. as you know georgia is one of the handful of states that has no state hate crime law. though there is work now to try to change that. but it won't impact the trial or the killers of ahmad arbery. >> martin savidge, thank you. i said martin was at the courtroom. he was at the courthouse.

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she told them, quote, there's something better on the other side of this. chris cuomo, those are certainly words to lean on ten days into this. let's go to chris right now. chris? thank you very much. i am chris cuomo. welcome to prime time. i want to take you back to atlanta because this is a day where people are trying to remember george floyd, but this situation is getting very tense. there is a curfew in atlanta that is just starting, just a few second ago, and i can't tell from this crowd how expansive it is but there's a lot of police presence there. nick valencia is on the ground. he will tell us the state of play. >> reporter: they've been in an intense standoff with police in the last 15 minutes. a lot of people here including journalists are saying it has that same energy as friday night. let me show you the riot gear and armed officers, a lot of police