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do everything you can to mitigate the exposure as much as possible? i mean, the guidelines are very clear on this. we are learning, as we go along, but in situations where it is possible to physically distance, to wear the mask, to be outside, all those things make a difference. nothing has changed about this virus, brianna. the only thing that's changed is how we are thinking about it, but the virus is the same. it is still a very contagious virus and it's out there, as we see in alabama with these football players, as we see in other places around the country. so i think what i would say is this flies in the face of the exact recommendations made by the federal government itself, and we know it is possible to actually separate out reporters, so why wouldn't you make that as safe as possible? >> yeah, it is very bizarre, very curious. sanjay, thank you so much. >> got it. thank you. i'm brianna keilar. this is the top of the hour. the nation is watching minneapolis now where george floyd was killed.
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the city council considering a temporary restraining order to address the use of police force to implement more consequences for offenses. it follows a day of remembrance for the 46-year-old father who died after an officer put a knee on his neck for eight minutes and 46 seconds. and today, protests are expected to continue throughout the nation in his name. in washington, a street that leads straight to the white house now has black lives matter em blazen emblazened on it. it is 1600 pennsylvania avenue, still, the president once again urging governors, to quote, dominate the streets. as democratic rival joe biden is slamming president trump for using george floyd's name in a speech, first you'll hear the president and then biden. >> we all saw what happened last week. we can't let that happen. hopefully george is looking down right now and saying, that's a great thing that's happening for our country.
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it's a great day for him. it's a great day for everybody. this is a great day for everybody. this is a great, great day in terms of equality. >> george floyd's last words "i can't breathe." i can't breathe. all across this nation and quite frankly, around the world. for the president to try to put any other words in the mouths of george floyd, i frankly think is despicable. >> cnn's omar jiminez is joining me live now from minneapolis. can you tell us about this city council vote? officials say these are short-term changes pending the results of an investigation. what are they? >> reporter: that's right, brianna. so these would be short-term changes to go in place while the longer term minneapolis department of human rights investigation plays out into the minneapolis police department.
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so we did get our hands on what's being voted on right now. so if this plan passed significantly, it would ban choke holds within the minneapolis police department. there's also an added duty with this plan to report any unauthorized use of force, which includes chokeholds and neck restraints and to intervene if they observe any of those unauthorized use of forces and then also, crowd control weapons like rubber bullets, flash bangs, things of that nature, have to be approve bd by the chf of police and if not available, the deputy chief of police that's in this plan. the last significant one is a civilian body camera review and audit process that would go into place. now, if this passes, the city council, it would then go before a court and a judge and then be implemented, again, until that longer term investigation plays out and among the main objectives they put in this is they want to immediately stop
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irreparable harm to the communities of color, and that goes into what we've seen play out over the course of the protests, that it wasn't just about george floyd and what happened to him. it was about trying to create and put in place, at the very least, in motion, practices that can benefit these communities in the long-term in regards to relations for the police, brianna? >> yeah, there's so much work to be done. omar, thank you for outlining that for us. we're also getting now new insight into the legal strategy of some of the officers who were involved in george floyd's death. the attorney for one of the officers charged, thomas lane, on the left there, only had been on the job for four days. derek chauvin, the officer who was seen on that video with his knee on george floyd's neck had 19 years of experience and was training his client. >> i'm not claiming he was following orders but he thought he was doing was right because he asked the training officer,
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should we roll him over twice. you've got to have criminal intent for second-degree murder and frankly, this is [ bleep ]. >> another officer using a similar defense, blaming officer chauvin saying it was only his third shift with the department. with me now is joe, the president of the houston police officers union and national vice president of the fraternal order of police. joe, thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me on. >> so first, i want to get your reaction to what these two officers who are blaming officer chauvin. what do you think of this? >> well, i think it's something that all the facts of this case will have to come out. we certainly find it interesting that they'd only been on the department for three days and they had actually made suggestions to turn that individual, mr. floyd, on his side, which is pretty alarming to me that officer chauvin would not listen to officers telling him that and let's just be honest, everyone agrees that what officer chauvin did was abhorrent. that entire situation was, but
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we need to understand something here, that there has been universal condemnation of his actions by law enforcement across this country, and just as we don't condemn protesters for the actions of violent looters, we're not going to hold those peaceful protesters, we shouldn't hold 18,000 officers for the actions of one idiot in minneapolis, officer chauvin. so i think what we need to do is slow down a bit and understand that nobody hates a bad officer more than a good officer because it makes us all look bad, and believe me, we're paying for it. we've had 30 police officers shot in the last week nationwide. we've had dozens run over. thousands more assaulted by rocks, bricks, everything else. so it's definitely a bad situation. >> how important is it then, for good police officers to intervene and how are you stressing that to police officers there? >> it's extremely important for good officers to intervene and what i did was immediately,
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following the incident in minneapolis, i put out a notice to our police officers and what i said was, it is your duty to step up and speak up. it's not good enough to file a complaint a few days later on that officer. you need to get in the middle of that and stop it before somebody gets hurt, before somebody gets killed and it could be simple as let's roll him on his side, sit him up, get him in the car but can't sit idly by. you have to get involved. a lot of people say, if there is a complaint on an officer, y'all have a blue wall of silence but our statistics in houston don't show that. we had 2 million citizen contacts last year. only 270 complaints from citizens, but we had 3 to 1 officer on officer complaints and that could be something minor as they didn't go to training or something major as use of force. >> have you seen the video in new york of the elderly man who was knocked down? >> i have seen that video. i just saw it this morning.
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obviously, deeply -- sorry. >> yeah, no, it's okay, i just wanted to make sure before i ask you this question, the point of the conversation we're having which is, you saw all those officers, i mean, this was the part, one, it's disturbing he's knocked over, but the part that brought my hand to my mouth was then how the other officers even the ones who seemed to want to do something are moved along by this kind of groupthink. what do you say to that and what officers need to consider in their mind about how they just need to be treating people like people? >> i think we've got to do better and we have to have the mindset when we go out there, nobody wants to be disrespected. nobody wants to be treated unfairly. we have to own that as well to be able to say, we're going to treat people the way we expect to be treated and someone to treat your grandmother and in that situation, we've got to do better. >> all right, joe, thank you so much.
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mattis delivered a harsh rebuke and stark warning as nationwide protests have intensified over the death of george floyd. mattis says that president trump is, quote, the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the american people. today, john kelly not only defended mattis but said that he agrees with him. >> he's quite a man, general jim mattis for for him to do that tells you where he is relative to the concern he has for our country. >> do you agree with him? >> i agree with him. i think we need to step back on the politics. i think we need to look harder at who we elect. i think we should start, all of us, regardless of what our views are in politics, i think we should look at people that are running for office and put them through the filter. what is their character like? what are their ethics? >> carl burnstein is a cnn
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political analyst. carl, i wonder what you're thinking when you hear john kelly say that, especially considering, he worked, he took a job as a secretary in the cabinet and then chief of staff of the president. >> the key phrase is concern for the country. think how extraordinary it is that the chief of staff to the president of the united states would express concern for the country because of the conduct of the president of the united states, but as you know, from my reporting on this network over the past two years, goes much deeper than this. all of the top national security aids to this president. general mcmaster, tillerson, the secretary of state, mattis, they all concluded that the president himself was a grave threat to the national security of the united states because of one, his temperament, his instability, but also, he's playing into the hands of putin. they all came to that
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conclusion. and so now we are at a unique juncture in our history where the president himself whether he's fit for office, more than questioning, by those who serve as his key national security aides and concluded that he is not fit to be the president of the united states and that's the understory here that we as journalists need to keep probing, and why did these generals wait so long to say it out loud? >> you heard him say there, carl, that americans need to look harder at who they elect. is he telling them not to vote for trump? >> i don't want to interpolate what he's telling people but i want to know, all four of these key aides to the president as well as others in the national security area gave warnings in private years ago, two years ago, a year and a half, a year
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police in maryland are asking for the public's help. they want to identify a man accused of attacking a group of teens, hanging racial justice flyers honoring george floyd. this bicyclist began physically and verbally assaulting teens on the capital crescent trail on cell phone video. here's how the disturbing moment played out. >> hey, leave her alone. >> do not touch her. do not touch her. she has nothing, do not touch her. >> leave her alone. just walk away. >> hey. get off of her. get out of here.
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what? hey? >> take these signs out. take it off. >> why would i take it off? >> a council member in montgomery county, maryland, where this took place. thank you for joining us, will. i mean, i know my reaction to the video about how surprised i am, especially where this took place. what was your reaction? >> well, obviously, disgusted, scared. as a parent myself, i know you know this, just angry that someone would put their hands on someone's child like that. but then also determined, and i'm glad our police, montgomery county police, i spoke to the police chief, they're on their way to identifying this suspect
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and working very hard, but it was just shocking. i mean, i think in this video, you see both the problem and the solution related to racism, which is a public health crisis in this country, i'm introducing a resolution this week saying that, it's a public health crisis in montgomery crisis but you see young people who are trying to work to find systemic solutions to racism and honor george floyd and his death, not be in vain and then you have someone displaying their hatred, their anger so much about what they were posting that they attacked and again, these were non-black young people posting it. it shows how pernicious and pronounced and how embedded racism is in our culture that it has that much of a stronghold on people. >> you said police are on their way to identifying the suspect. is that fair to read into the fact they have made progress here? >> they made a lot of progress. we put out and they put out last
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night and yesterday, a detective working on this and the case number. the response has been another hopeful part of the story, the response has been great from the public. the chief said many people called in with tips and with information, so i expect within the next day or so, if not sooner, that we will be hearing something, hopefully from law enforcement, because this type of activity, as you know, it's just unacceptable and certainly not helpful in the moment of time our country finds i.tself right now. >> helpful it did in front of the camera. i don't know what the guy thinking he was going to get away with something like that. >> well, you know, in the george floyd, you would think that with george floyd, 8 minutes and 46 seconds, knees on his neck and he knows the camera is there. again, the power in how deeply embedded racism is in this country, people ignore it, but you would think so. but i'm really happy with the
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police force but thank you for covering this and apologies to the parents of those students. >> oh, i know. you could just hear the fear, you could hear the fear in their voices and i think that speaks to the fear that so many people across the country have for their kids right now. will, thank you so much. well jawando. >> good to see you, brianna. two police officers in buffalo, new york, suspended and investigation under way after a video emerged of them shoving an elderly man to the ground that caused him to hit his head rather hard. the man is 75 years old, martin gugino. stunning, isn't it? this happened yesterday at a protest against police brutality and you can see the police there continuing to move past that man
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as he, after he falls, even police who seemed like they wanted to stop and help, being moved along by other officers. there was one officer who was yanked back, even after the man started bleeding from his ear and laying there motionless on the ground. initially, police issued a statement saying gugino tripped and fell. clearly, that is not what happened as you can see in the video. they didn't know at first, there was a video. new york governor andrew cuomo spoke with the man recovering in the hospital. the incident made him sick to his stuck. >> disturbs your basic sense of decency and humanity. why? why was that necessary? where was the threat? >> governor cuomo also said the city should look into firing the officers and pursuing criminal charges. the official said gugino alert and disoriented, still though in
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serious condition. senior associate dean and global chief diversity officer at the university of virginia, and martin, just give me your reaction to what you saw in the video in buffalo. >> well, brianna, i mean, the first reaction, of course, that is unbelievably painful. sitting here watching this and my stomach is churning up, absolutely the case. i think the thing that's important about these situati s situations, it's important to understand what's driving that. i'm content finding which officers did what and so forth, but we're talking about a bigger problem. we're talking about a way of operating that's going to inevitably going to lead to these kind of situations. you can't keep picking them up one by one, you need to change
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something at the root. >> what that he cspeaks to that happens after the man is knocked down. he's knocked down and instead of coming to his aid, realizing that perhaps that wasn't what was intended but reasonably, this will happen when someone pushing an elderly man who's standing the way he is, but they just keep walking by him and then they lie. the department initially lies based, i'm sure, on officer accounts, saying that the man tripped. >> yeah. i mean, i think what happened, what we're seeing here is something emblematic, i'm a psychologist by training to do work in organizations and understanding organizations how they're designed and organization culture and what we see is the power of culture. we see the power of design. we as individuals, sure, we have free will. sure, we do things. we make mistakes.
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sometimes, virtuous, but i think we tend to underestimate the importance and the impact of training, of norms, of processes. that's the thing that oftentimes drives the situation and when you keep seeing problematic situation, painful situation after painful situation. when you keep seeing black people continually being injured and harmed and killed, it's not about one person doing it here and there. pay attention to the larger picture. >> this is, as you said, your kind of expertise about how organizations can change. so i wonder what you can tell us about how difficult it is to change and what needs to be done? what are the key things that need to be done to make sure that organizations can figure this out and do the right thing when something like this happens.
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>> i go back to the 1980s. not sure i'll properly attribute it but the phrase itself is culture eats strategy for breakfast. it's the whole idea that the way we're used to doing things so determines our behavior and so determines our actions, any initiative, any program, any order has a real hard time taking root. what we need to do is change fundamental processes. so for example, think about if i wanted people to begin to pay more attention, say, to inclusion. i wanted people to pay more attention to what it means to advance black people in organizations so that they have more influence, more power and getting more credit. i would put in a system that gave incentives for doing that. reward people, bonuses for people who support and develop black professionals, for example. those kinds of things that go into place begin to actually move the needle.
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one off situations, i'll help one person here or there. it's not that that's bad, it's a good thing but oftentimes, it gets in the way of seeing what the real solution is going to be. >> martin, thank you so much. martin davidson, a senior associate dean and global chief diversity officer at the dar den school of business at the university of virginia. we appreciate you coming on. >> thanks, brianna, nice to be here. just in, breaking news involving the defense secretary and protests. plus, a man worked on some of broadway's biggest productions shares the racism he's faced backstage and he's going to join me live just ahead. i'm greg, i'm 68 years old. i do motivational speaking in addition to the substitute teaching. i honestly feel that that's my calling--
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duty troops who came to washington were returning to fort bragg in north carolina. a small active duty of the old guard based in arlington, virginia, remain on standby for assistance. as america grapples with the killing of george floyd and the protests across this country, my next guest is here to remind us that racism permeates the lives of people of color every single day. cody richard is a stage manager on broadway working behind the scenes on productions including "hamilton," which you are very familiar with, as well as "kinky boots" and then countless kpafrps kpafr kpafrkpafr examples of racism. he was standing backstage at motown and then said hey, and i started a new gig on broadway and one actress decided not to learn my name at first and instead, she decided it was okay to call me brown, insert name of the employee i replaced for a
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month because she thought it was a funny joke and then you also say someone came up to you backstage at kinky boots on broadway and asked if i was attending the company barbecue because we love barbecues. this is crazy in the industry you're in where, you know, this is an artistic, pretty progressive industry, people would expect, but tell us about what you've gone through and how you are, as you say, exhausted from constantly having to, quote, tone down your blackness. >> well, yeah, like you said, broadway is a very inclusive industry. we're very open and we're very big on gay rights, trans rights, women's rights and equality. with that said, racism is in every art form, and as black people, we experience it daily. so, you know, in sharing my
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story, i wanted to highlight that because we move past it so quickly. and like i said, these experiences happen all the time. if i were to look back and think of all the things, all the wounds inflicted on me, like small comments off strand stuff wouldn't get out of bed. we are trained to laugh them off or deflect and i think it's time people are held accountable for making these small injustices. >> what do you want people to know? like the people you described some of the things that have been said to you but what do you want people who have said those things to know about how this impacts people who are on the receiving end? >> on the bigger picture, i have to echo the cries of america right now, black lives matter and if these comments and if these things continue to happen in our workplaces and everyday life, that statement doesn't ring true. saying we have to start from the
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bottom and hold people accountable, we have to start calling people out and having these uncomfortable conversations. now, those who weren't aware of actions, now it's time to be aware of them. it's time to, you know, own up to what you're saying and think about what you're saying and just, you know, move through the world with a more sense of consciousness. >> do you believe, you know, at this moment in time that things are different? that real change is going to come from the protests we're seeing? >> at this place in history where we're in a pandemic, so our voices, we've been yelling out for years. these words that we're saying aren't new. black people have been speaking out for a very long time, but we weren't being heard and now i finally think that, you know, people are listening. most people aren't at work right now because we're in the
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pandemic still, so i think that the spotlight son is on us and that's incredible. i think that can effect change. i think this time is very different because now people have the space so sit in their feelings and thoughts and listen. we don't listen enough, and educate ourselves, like there's so much space to raise your voice and to get involved and to do all that, because we have this time and the pandemic is terrible, and it's caused a lot of unfortunate things but i do think that's one of the blessings of the current time we're in, so i do think the protests, speaking out, i do think that will lead to real change. >> yeah, maybe some people have the time to kind of pause and think, right, and have some reflection and then just a final word from you because you're talking about non-black allies and the accountability that they should have, well, here you are. you're on tv, so what should they do? let them know.
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>> well, you know, this is detector i -- this is all of our fight, all of our struggle. because we as humans, we are all one race, right? so we all belong to certain communities and if you want to call something a community, we have to put action to our words. there's a lot of producers and institutions putting out statements to do with our industry and although i do think the words are amazing and i appreciate they spoke out but words are just words. words mean nothing without action, so we need to see plans. we need to see people step up and actually put these plans into place. our union has to support that. there has to be a no tolerance for racism in the workplace, especially in the arts. i think this is a time for people to stand up and match their words. we can speak all day, post
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things on twitter and instagram all day, but if we don't match what we're saying, if we don't stand up and actually walk the walk, i mean, walk the talk, then what are we doing? >> walk the talk, thank you cody renard. >> thank you. >> cnn teaming up with sesame street for a special to help you talk to your kids about racism, the nationwide protests, and how to embrace diversity. and this will air tomorrow morning at 10:00 eastern. just in, the cdc, more americans are gargling bleach or washing their bodies with bleach to stop the spread of the coronavirus. we're going to talk about why that is a terrible idea. we ha: we help you make it. you, the independent restaurants of america... we've always got your back,
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the world health organization has produced what it called the comprehensive package to stopping the spread of coronavirus. step one is masks. step two and three are frequent hand washing and physical distancing. apparently the white house didn't get the memo or they got it and they ignored it. because look at these images. this is the first picture. this is before the president's briefing began. and then look at the next picture. shows reporters very close together. well why would they do that, you say? the white house deliberately moved the chairs to avoid social distancing that allowed the president to say this. >> you've got to open it up and you do social distancing and you
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wear masks if you want. and you do things that you could do a lot of things. you're getting closer together and even you, i notice you're starting to get much closer together. it looks much better, i must say. >> yeah. it is a stunt. it is a total stunt. liz wed elizabeth cohen, when i look at this it bothers me because i think about how a lot of our colleagues who are reporting, they do so under dangerous conditions and report eing is a dangerous -- and it is not supposed to be dangerous at the white house and more dangerous by the president and his staff. >> brianna, this makes me so angry on behalf of our colleagues at the white house. this is unnecessarily putting them in danger. those chairs were far apart, they were fine. trump put them back together because they wanted to telegraph, look, everybody is close together.
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everything is fine. we're returning to normal. guess what, president trump, everything isn't fine. there are still high rates of covid in the washington, d.c. area. two of his very own aides had it. he needs to keep doing what the cdc and the w.h.o. says. this is outrageous. those chairs should have been far apart. there was no reason to put them together. except so that president trump could telegraph a false message. >> so there is more than a third, elizabeth, of americans who are in the new cdc survey that said they engaged in risky cleaning behaviors during the pandemic like gargling with bleach. i just can't even believe i'm asking you about this. but the president kind of talked about some interesting stuff that people should do with their bodies. what the heck is happening here? >> this is once again president trump telegraphing these false messages. this is a while back where he was talking about using
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disinfectant and you wonder did that have an impact on people. the cdc said that one-third of americans are doing unsafe prak practices including cleaning their body with household disinfectant and gargling with breech. this is obviously terrible. we're failing in our public health communications from a third of americans are doing things like this. this is problematic. this needs to be corrected. the president is not helping. >> yeah. come on, bleach is for clothes people, for scrubbing the mildew off your tub. elizabeth, thank you very much. the dow is up now quite a bit. more than 850 points. this is on the news that the economy actually added millions of jobs last month. the unemployment rate still more than 13%. plus following breaking news in minneapolis as the city council votes to ban police chokeholds. pardon me. we'll take you there live.
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the stock market rallying today on some good economic news despite protests and a pandemic. right now the dow is up as you could see there more than 830 points. this comes on the surprising announcement that the u.s. gained 2.5 million jobs in may. the unemployment rate is now 13.3% as businesses begin reopening. the numbers upending economist
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predictions. julia chatterley is joining us now. and the president is taking a victory lap in response to the new numbers and i wonder as we're hearing from employees that say the ppp loans are about to run out if it is too early to get excited the economy is coming back. >> let's say both. this is early but also a reason for optimism. today is a good news. we're on the path to recovery but anybody who tells you they know what that looks like or is simple is lying to you. we sawons coming back in leisure and tourism, and some of the hardest-hit industries, retail, construction and manufacturing. this is good news. but then take a step back. what we also heard today was if again people said they were unemployed rather than just being absent from the workplace this percentage would have been three percentage points higher so now around 16.5 unemployment rate and then if you add in
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people that are discouraged and working less than they'd like to, we're still talking one in five american workers. there is no reason in these numbers for congress to be complacent to think they've done enough. if you look wt withithin the st saw a drop for white workers but black workers slightly increased. that again is a worrying sign in light of the all of the things we've been discussing over the last few days. i'll come back again to thousands of government workers as well. hundreds of thousands of them losing jobs in the last month. state and local still need support. so while we can say that today is good news and people were caught off guard by the numbers, this is a long road to recovery and more help is still needed, brianna. >> julia, thank you for walking us through that. and our special coverage now continues with brooke baldwin. hi, there, i'm brooke
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baldwin. you're watching cnn, thank you for joining me on this friday. in minneapolis, where the city council in what it calls an effort to spark systematic change has voted in favor of significant changes to the police department. this move comes after nearly two weeks after the death of george floyd while he was in the custody of the four mpd police officers all of whom have now been fired and charged. so let's start in minneapolis. miguel markez is there live. talk to me about the changes. >> reporter: it is significant but not only here in minneapolis but across the country. they'll have a very long way to go to bring this sort of equality that they are concerned about. the city council and it sounds like the mayor has now signed it but there may be one more step said that chokeholds across the board, including that knee to the neck restraint, that is not supposed to be
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