been hearing calls for change in this country. just think about that for a minute, as you look at the live demonstrations on your screen. not only are people risking their safety by speaking out and go confronting police, which is something most people never do in their lives. they are also putting themselves at greater richk risk from a virus that's already killed 109,000 in this country. a virus which is still here, still transmittable, still killing people all around the world. that is how urgently people want real and lasting change in the wake of george floyd's killing by police. how badly they want an end to what has been a long running injustice to african-americans in this country and to redeem

the longstanding promise of equal justice under the law. because you cannot have law and order, without equal justice under the law. and polling shows majority of americans, most of whom you do not see marching, agree with them. the question is, how will those, right now, who hold power respond to the calls for change? the answer is mixed, at best. and something else entirely at the very top. today, the minneapolis city council, pending the final okay from a judge, approved an agreement barring police from using neck restraints and choke holds. new york governor andrew cuomo announced a new police reform bill that he said would bring accountability and more transparency to law enforcement at the same time, and remember this is over a national protect over police brutality. we have continued to see instances of people hitting people with batons, not when they were under threat or provoked but, just because they could. and we've seen moments like this.

police in buffalo, knocking a 75-year-old to the payment, leaving him lying there with head injuries that sent him to the hospital. by contrast, we have also seen police doing their jobs responsibly. and some place, even taking a knee with protestors. or houston's plolice chief with protestors recounting george floyd's labtd moments. their bosses or elected officials higher up, there has been a spectrum of responses over the last 11 days. however, at the very top, that is not the case. today, the country got some good news. eat conmy gained about 2 million jobs, since about 20 million lost since the pandemic. promise on the economic front and the president, understandably wanted people to know it. in an impromptu press conference this morning, he wanted people to know a lot of things. he did a victory lap on the pandemic, on the veterans bill he claims only he could get passed even though it ps passed in 2014. the seats were not arranged for

social distancing because, in the words of the deputy press sec re tas secretary, it looks better. so much for all those warnings by dr. faufrp and dr. birx and the task force. president has clearly decided the virus is not a winning topic for him anymore. the event began at 10:30. after 11 days of these stunning protests and day after memorial services for george floyd, it took him 22 minutes to mention mr. floyd. and this is how he chose to do it. here's what he said. >> we all saw what happened last week. we can't let that happen. hopefully, george is looking down right now and saying this is a great thing that's happening for our country. it's a great day for him. it's a great day for everybody. this is a great day for everybody. this is a great, great day, in terms of equality. it's really what our constitution requires and it's what our country is all act.

>> mr. floyd, not the brother whose body whose sister will grieve over tomorrow in north carolina. not the friend and community member memorialized yesterday in minneapolis. not the long-time neighbor that will be laid to rest in houston. nothing about the fact that an ex-police officer is charged with murdering him and three others, with abetting that murder. he couldn't even bring himself to utter the man's full name so grant him simple dignity. no, instead, today, the president, it was just george smiling down from the heavens above. happy about what a great day it is. as for the injustices leading to his killing or how to end them from going forward, how to end them for millions of americans, about that, the president had nothing to say. >> why don't you have a plan for systemic racism? >> i'd like to sign this. by the way, what you see

happening is the greatest thing that can happen. for race relations. for the african-american community. for the asian-americans. for the hispanic-american community. for women. for everything. >> what's your plan? >> because our country is so strong and that's what my plan is. we are going to have the strongest economy in the world. we almost are there now. we have the strongest economy anywhere in the world and now we are going to have an economy that's even stronger. just to follow up, how would a better economy have protected george floyd? sure. i'll ask after. will you take questions after, sir? >> black unemployment went up by .1%. asian-americans, unemployment went up by .5%. how is that a victory? >> you are something. >> that's pbs, in case the president only knows her by her first name. the president had no answer when it comes to affecting change. he's made it plain in words and

actions that he sees this fight against anarchists and thugs, as he says. he's made it clear he sees all this as a chance to divide us further and score points with his base. on orders of attorney general, peaceful protestors were assaulted and beaten outside the white house so he could pose with an upside down bible, that he doesn't read, in front of a church where he doesn't worship. on orders of, who knows who, and accountable to, no one, apparently, unidentified armed forces have been brought into the capital and helicopters flew low, to intimidate and drive away protestors. all, while the president shelters behind a ring of new fencing. where, at one point, in the white house bunker, which he claimed he only went to because he suddenly felt compelled to inspect it. at the height of the vietnam war, nixon went to the lincoln memorial to talk with protestors. this president, neither, protested the war, nor took part in it. it is his latest actions that have persuaded some military top commanders, including his former defense secretary, to speak out against him this week. calling him a threat to the constitution. calling monday, perhaps, the beginning of the end of the

american experiment. now, whether, in fact, it is, and we can all hope it is certainly not, what happened there did send a signal about the president's priorities, which don't seem to be addressing systematic racial injustice. doesn't believe in the peaceful act of taking a knee, which quarterback drew brees, recently apologized for critical remarks about. the president tweeting today, quote, we should be standing up straight and tall, ideally with a salute or hand on heart. there are other things you can protest, but not our great american flag. no kneeling. for some, that might be a deeply held belief and it is. but does anyone really believe it is, for this president? or just more red meat for the base. just moments ago, nfl commissioner weighed in on the issue and totally changed his position it seems from just a few years ago. washington mayor sending a message. she renamed a portion of 16th street across from the white

house, black lives matter plaza. city put up a sign painted in letters big enough to be seen from above, whether a low-flying military chopper or air force 1. joining us now, the mayor of atlanta, keisha lance bottoms. mayor bottoms, thank you for being with us. at this point, do you have any confidence that president trump will be able to lead the u.s. toward the kind of change or, at least even discuss the kind of change that this moment requires? >> no, anderson. and thank you for having me. i don't think he is capable of it. and i have had to make a conscious decision, over the past few days, to stop expecting from him that he is incapable of giving. and every minute that i give to donald trump is a minute less that i have to give to people and things that actually matter. so what i'm encouraged by is when i see secretary mattis, and others, speaking up. when, even you see, the first

lady tweeting things that are contrary to the hatred and the vision that the president speaks. that encourages me. and i hope that we see more of that. >> when protestors talk about police reform, and -- and -- and the systematic change. and there is a lot of different people, from different walks of life, who have different ideas about it and exactly what they want to see. what does reform, of the criminal justice system, frankly, of police departments around the country, what does that look like to you? >> i think really justice reform takes on all different shapes. so in atlanta, we've eliminated cash bail bonds. we are transitioning our jail into a center of equity. we have allocated or reallocated a large portion of our corrections' department budget toward some equity initiatives. but i also think, on the other side of that, is actual reform in the police department. you know, earlier this week, president obama put out a call to action, to mayors across this

country, to look at our use-of-force policies. we are doing that in atlanta. i signed an executive order to make that happen immediately. so i am going to receive some recommendations in the next 14 days. and then, we'll take an additional 45 days and get input from the community and -- and begin to move the needle because we don't have time to wait. >> you know, there -- there has been talk of -- you know, we've seen reforms in police departments, throughout the ages. i mean, i remember, as a kid growing up in new york, and the '70s, it was a very different police force than it is now. they changed the education requirements for -- for officerings. for police officers, who were joining the force. it used to be a lot of corruption in the police force, in terms of bribes and things like that. so, there, we have seen systematic changes. but obviously, i mean, i think everybody agrees more needs to be done. just, even seeing the videos of

how, in some cases, and they may be isolated, but we are seeing it time and time again. you know, officers whacking people with -- with batons, when they don't need to. but they're, you know, maybe it's the emotion of the moment. i'm not sure what's going through their minds or pushing that man down through the street. or tasing the two -- college students in a vehicle. how does police reform actually happen now? >> now, anderson, it's very frustrating because, for every video and tragic story we see, there's so many other good stories on the other side of it. >> that's true. >> so we have police officers who volunteer with our kids in our centers of hope. they do diversity and sensitivity training at the national center for civil and human rights. they are mentoring kids in our police athletic league. and those stories don't get told. what -- what gets told are the stories where the bad officers do bad things. and it's unfortunate.

but i think that's why it's incumbent upon us, as leaders, to make sure that we don't let up. that we don't miss this moment and go back to business as usual. we've got to take a really close look at what our policies are. what -- how are we training these officers? what is their mental and emotional state? right now, i know we have fatigued officers on our streets, who are working 18-hour shifts because of what's happening in this country. this does not excuse, under any circumstances, excessive use of force. but i think it is incumbent upon us, to make sure that we have the best and the most mentally and emotionally fit officers on our forces, across this country. >> i know you know there are a lot of protestors out there holding up signs saying defund police. i talked to the mayor of houston about this yesterday. and he was saying, look, that's, frankly, the last thing you want to do. you actually want better

training. you want more resources. you want, you know, the best and the brightest that we -- that we have, to be in the police force. >> well, we -- we reallocated money from our corrections budget in the same spirit. but what i know is when my 18-year-old nephew was murdered, we called atlanta police department and they solved the murder. when my house was broken into, we called the police department. so we need police on our streets. we need them in our communities. and we all call upon them, at one time or another. but, again, we can't let these -- these bad actors overshadow the shart nevership th partnership that we are supposed to have with our police departments. they're not there to be guardians. i mean, they're not there to be warriors. they are there to protect us, and to work alongside us.

and i think that's a part of the 21st century policing plan, that president obama and vice president biden left on trump's desk, alongside the pandemic plan, that he never bothered to read. >> mayor keisha lance bottoms, appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. >> perspective now from cnn political commentator van jones and cnn political analyst gloria. van, when you hear of police reform, i'm wondering what your thoughts are on it. >> well, listen. out of this tragedy, something really extraordinary is happening. you are seeing black lives matter rallies of a thousand people, with only white people at them, holding up signs saying "black lives matter." i mean, we have crossed a threshold. nfl, goodell coming out saying they were wrong in the way they handled the kneeling protest. the nonviolent kneeling

protests. they sure look a lot better now than they were seen as so scandalous at the time. and he is acknowledging that that should have been handled way differently. there are reforms that are bipartisan. that we could get done this year. i guarantee next -- next week, you are going to hear a lot of proposals coming out of congress, possibly out of administration, possibly out of governors' offices saying, hey, why don't we ban ts chohe choke? why don't we train for deescalation rather than escalation? obviously, you want cops to be able to do their job without worrying about losing their house. but if you are going to do something totally atrocious, you should be able to go into civil court against an officer. and, right now, you really can't. there are common-sense reforms that could be done, this year, on a bipartisan basis, that would reduce of unlawful

violence. also, you are seeing the best of law enforcement and the worst of law enforcement every day. you got cops who are kneeling with protestors. who are calling community meetings. who are doing beautiful stuff. heartbreaking, heartrending stuff. and you got people hitting people upside the heads like idiot. that's what we face in the black community, every day. but, now, people are seeing both the good face and the bad face. and the problem is, the bad face is never corrected. even those police officers, who shoved that man to the ground, a 75-year-old man to the ground, and left him there bleeding, which was wrong. anybody would know that's wrong. 50-plus officers have resigned, supporting the bully cops. so we have got a problem here but it can be resolved. it can be resolved this year. a big, big chunk of this could be knocked out this year, and i hope it is. >> you know, gloria, we saw the president, today, speaking on the economy. about mr. floyd, briefly, looking down from heaven and

saying that this is a good day. it came on the heels of a meeting in the white house yesterday, between president trump and his campaign advisers. how much do you think of what we heard today, and frankly, what we've been hearing from this president these last 11 days, and more, is it basically just about getting re-elected? 100%. all of it. every bit of it. and he is looking at the polls. he understands what he sees. and, for the same reason, anderson, that he skimmed over the number of deaths in coronavirus and didn't meet with the families of those victims. he doesn't talk about social unrest. and you know, i talk to -- >> but when he talks about is looting and, you know, anarchists. i never knew there were so many anner kik anarchists in the world. >> right. he can't talk about the peaceful protests because of course they were disrupted by, you know, bullets and helicopters, et

cetera, et cetera. look. i talked to somebody close to the white house. that said to me, look, the president is not conversant, as we all know, given the way he acted. tying the act of tragedy of george floyd's death to a bright spot in the economy today, which was, you know, beyond tone deaf. they know he can't speak this language. they know he doesn't feel it. the only thing he can talk about is the economy, because it's something he understands, being a businessman for many, many years. and so, they are now talking about their transition to greatness, which is not actually a great campaign phrase. but it's something that's, perhaps, terra firma for him. that is the key to the election, to make people feel good. he is trying to be a cheerleader anyway, where there are walls

being built around the white house, to keep him from protestors. it's -- it's a remarkable picture. >> van, do you -- do you have a sense of where this goes? i mean, next week, we're going to see the funeral for -- for mr. floyd on tuesday, in houston. where does this go? do we know? i mean, does anybody know? >> well, look, there are two directions here. the negative direction is a lot of lip service, no legislation passes. the cops don't actually get convicted. and then, we're on the pathway to more and more unrest. by the end of the summer, you could have five or ten american cities on fire. that's one direction. but i think something that's happened over the past few days. i think keith ellison, attorney general of minnesota who i have known for many years, stepping into the breech and charging those cops, i think the violent, disruptive protests calming down at the same time the peaceful

protests are actually growing shows another possibility. and that possibility is to pass some good laws, to have better conversations, and a bunch of corporations are stepping up. michael jordan stepped up and said he is going to put $100 million on the table to help communities that are suffering. you are having a flourishing of new philanthropy, hopefully new lawmaking and we could actually wind up stronger and better than we have been. but it's up to us. we are at the crossroads. we are, absolutely, at the crossroads. this thing could go either direction and, you know, but -- you know, i am pulling for us to notice the new common ground. there is new common ground between african-americans, white folks, and other folks, that there is something wrong with our law enforcement system that can be fixed. that racism is real and we need to do more about it. that is a new con nent thdon't

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even as the president shows no inclination to change views on injustice, the commissioner of the national football league has. roger goodell, quote, it was wrong in silencing our players from peacefully protesting.

colin kaepernick and others began kneeling before games while the national anthem played to protest police brutality. >> we, at the national football league, condemn racism and the systematic oppression of black people. we, the national football league, admit we were wrong for not listening to nfl players earlier, and encourage all to speak out and peacefully protest. we, at the national football league, believe black lives matter. >> well, commissioner goodell's statement follows a video last night calling on him to say just that. usa today sports columnist, christine brennen. christine, first off, how did this come about? was goodell feeling pressure from players, fans, owners? or is he just sensing a change in the country? >> i think it's more the latter, anderson. sensing the change. we are hearing that he was not

pressured by the donald trump statement. when donald trump, of course, was saying positive things about drew brooez. this is four years in the making so wasn't exactly a rush job, in the sense that colin kaepernick was speaking out in 2016. i do think -- i've known roger goodell a long time. we kind of grew up together. he, on the pr side, and me as a journalist. i do think these are things he cares about and i know a lot people criticize him all the time. but i can see him watching what's going on. listening to his players. as he said in that statement, he said if there are no black players, there's no national football league. he knows that and he means it. i would have loved to see him apologize to colin kaepernick. i would have loved to see him say something about kaepernick. but maybe that's for another day. but i do think the nfl's gone out here in a big way, and i am sure one of their biggest fans, donald trump, is not happy about

this today. >> would the owners have had to agree to goodell saying this? >> the owners usually agree, and/or, goodell does what the owners want. that is a great question, i have not yet been able to get the answer to that. as you probably know, many of your viewers know at least ten nfl owners have given to donald trump's campaign. they are big, big donald trump supporters, including jones with the cowboys. dan snyder, here, in washington. so i am going to guess some of them are not entirely pleased about this either because they're trump guys. and they have not signed colin kaepernick. obviously, no one has. and they definitely -- you know, they've put their money right where their mouth is with trump. so now, you've got roger goodell going against the wishes of donald trump. that is a fact, i think, that roger goodell is sensing the mood of the nation and is certainly with the majority of the nation. and something that should be said. young fans, anderson, are big

fans of kaepernick. they bought all of those nike jerseys and nike t-shirts a couple years ago with the kaepernick campaign in 2018, that was so successful. marketingwoman cane marketingwoman campaign with nike. and so for your future fanbase, this is a very positive move. maybe not the older people. >> i want to bring in benjamin watson, former nfl player. and i believe he is the author of "under our skin, getting real about race and getting awe from the fears and frustrations that divide us." benjamin, i mean, you wrote about this in -- under our skin. i am wondering how you -- what you make of roger goodell's statement. >> i think we all have certain reactions. but whether he is sin veer cere he is un-sincere, listen to what he said. we, the nfl, condemn racism and the systematic oppression of black people.

the next step, obviously, is to start addressing that within the nfl. so, this is a good thing. this is a great acknowledgment. and i agree that i do think roger goodell cares about these issues. but now, when we look internally into the nfl, and we just watched the nfl draft. we saw on our screens where there weren't very many blacks in sea level positions. much less, ownership. there is three head coaches that are black. how do we address those issues in the nfl? that's where the proof comes. that's where the action comes, is by addressing the nepotism problem that i believe it still exists in the nfl. that's where i think we can take this statement, great statement, we applaud it. whether it was out of pressure of players which, again, i applaud our players for leading this. now, let's go to the next step in action and let's see the proof when we look at nfl clubs now moving forward. >> and former teammate drew brees said he'd never agree with nfl players who knelt during the

national anthem. he since apologized for saying that. do you accept that apology? >> of course. of course. i know drew. it's no secret. i played with drew for several years. love him and his family. i think that we have to, collectively, understand that, when someone says something that they didn't mean or something that was misinterpreted and they apologize. we forgive them and we move on. drew said, perfectly, in his statement that he is going to, with his actions, prove how he feels. i think the biggest thing, though, is that he said he is going to listen. and that's the same thing you heard roger goodell say. i am going to listen. we live in a country where we can have a multitude of different perspectives. what we all have to do is understand the plight of others, understand the pain of others and be able to step into their shoes. and say i may not agree with that, i may not understand that. but because i love you, because i love your humanity, i'm willing to listen to where you are coming from and i know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that's what he will do. >> christine, it's interesting

because when this was being discussed with colin kaepernick and others, there were a lot of fans who seemed to not appreciate the idea of players taking a knee. certainly, the president didn't. and it seemed like the pendulum went once games started again and games were being played. it seems like a lot of the owners backtracked as well. >> i think things have changed dramatically and obviously this is far beyond football. of course, this is about our country and what we're seeing and what you are talking about every night on air. and the nfl is part of our culture. and, clearly, they are seeing this. and so, everything that we thought might have been the case a couple weeks ago is no more. and -- i'm sorry -- >> no, no, go ahead. >> -- so i just think that this shows, if anyone is doubting how big a deal this is, and the tragedy of george floyd and all of the issues that we're talking about with black lives matter. if anyone doubts that this is

one of the watershed moments in our nation's history, something like a sports league seems insig thi insignificant. that signals that changes have changed dramatically. >> i want to brang bring in running back for the packers. aaron, you are in the league right now. how do you think goodell's message is going to be received by the players? and how is it being received by you? >> by me, i'm just glad to see that he is listening. and -- i mean, i think everybody -- i -- i can't tell you how somebody else is going to react. >> yeah. benjamin, when -- you did an

interview, i think it was yesterday, and you were talking about how you had racist teammates. do you wish that this came from goodell a lot earlier? >> well, anderson, i wish we weren't dealing with any of this. you know, the truth of the matter is we live in a world. it manifests itself many different times in a bunch of different things, including racism. my wish would be we don't have any of this going on but we do. so yeah, of course, i wish not just a statement be made but i wish that we wouldn't be dealing with the disparities that we are dealing with in our culture. that we wouldn't be dealing with, you know, the 200 years of slavery. redlining. residential segregation. the list goes on and on. incarceration. but here we are. and so, the question is, how are we, collectively, white, black, rich, poor, how are we going to make this country better? and so that's what this has to

be about. this has to be about america looking in the mirror because what we are seeing now is a reflection of ourselves. and decide what we are going to do to make it better. >> aaron, when the season finally does start again and players are on the field, how do you think this changes things? >> back then, we knew it was solidarity. for us, nothing's really going to change. we're going to continue to go about ourselves the way we do. [ inaudible ]. >> aaron jones, i appreciate you joining us. thank you so much. benjamin watson, as well. and christine brennen.

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large numbers of police. we are not sure exactly what the situation is. curfew began at 8:00, so almost 40 minutes ago. we mentioned at the top how these protests have brought out the best in many people, and the worst in others. looters, and some in law enforcement. cnn's jason caroll has a closer look. >> after 11 days of nationwide protests, a growing number of disturbing police incidents on video are emerging from across the country. in buffalo, new york, two officers have been suspended, after a 75-year-old protestor was pushed and left bleeding on the ground. initially, police said the man tripped and fell. but the video clearly shows two officers pushing him before he falls backwards, to the ground. >> when i saw the video, i got sick to my stomach. >> all 57 members of the buffalo

police emergency-response team have resigned from the team, but not the department. ne they said the suspended officers were simply executing orders. >> in tacoma, washington, a new video posted to social media appears to show officers violently striking manuel ellis, as he lies on the ground. a second video also appears to show officers holding ellis while he is on the ground and telling him to put his hands behind his back. ellis died after being physically restrained by police. his family is calling for four ourselves involved to be fired. the medical examiner ruled his death a homicide. >> he was a blessed child. okay? he was blessed. he was good. and did not deserve to be murdered. at the hands cof the police. >> and, in atlanta, new video of a woman being body slammed by a

police officer, breaking her collarbone at a protest may 29th. in word, yet, from the atlanta police department, on whether the officer involved will face disciplinary actions. while, in new york city, last night, a small sign of hope as a police chief in brooklyn, deescalated a situation with protestors, by shaking hands and listening. >> as an african-american law enforcement officer, how does that sit with you? >> well, i'm a black man but i love being a police officer. so i'm not resigning. i am going to continue to make sure everybody's safe. >> jason caroll, cnn, new york. >> joining us now, someone who is familiar with both what communities and police are experiencing. myles mcpherson. hope for a racially divided nation. pastor, thanks so much for joining us. you reached out to me on instagram, and i heard your words and i really was so happy that you were willing to come on. because i think you have,

really, a unique perspective on this. your dad was a police officer. your son is, currently, a police officer. and you have had some really profound comments about what is going on, and for you, right now, what do you think needs to happen, in this country? and in this moment. >> i'm so glad -- well, thanks for having me. i'm so glad you asked. we got to get the solutions. you know, i wrote this book called "the third option" because we live in an us versus them culture and you're forced to pick one side. you're eerg you're either for or against police, for other against blacks. we have more similarities than differences and if we would focus on that, all of us are in a journey. we all bleed bread. but we all want to get along and have peace. so we got to do -- take steps to bridge that gap. and i will say one of those things is to acknowledge that we have blind spots. a blind spot is you not knowing what you don't know. there are a lot of times we

don't even know when we're offending somebody. it's the gap between your intent of what you do, and the impact of what do you. a lot of times, people will say things that are offensive, they don't even realize. for example, when you say i don't see color. people are trying to build a bridge but, in fact, the person of color just feels like you invalidated everything that they are. this color has certain burdens with it and certain things it's been through. and when you say you don't see color, you're telling someone you don't see them and that you do not acknowledge what they've been through. and then, therefore, you can't really love them properly because you're not even acknowledging the pain they've been through. a lot of times, the color we get, the tap we gn we get in ha we celebrate. >> there are a lot ever folks who are watching these protests and they see different things. i talked to kareem abdul-jabbar who wrote about it in the l.a. times recently, i thought very eloquently. you know, people can look at one protest, and see completely different things, depending on what side of the aisle they're sitting on or what, you know,

zip code they're in or whatever -- whatever point of view they have. i'm not sure how one overcomes that but i think there is a lot of people who are still not sure about where this goes, and maybe more -- some people focus more on, you know, lawbreaking and looting. and others focus, more, on police actions that are brutal. and, yet, the vast majority of police and the vast majority of protestors have been, you know, trying to follow the law and peaceful. and -- and -- allow do you get away from the us versus them and this polarization which is stoked by our political leaders, media, by everything? >> the first thing you have to acknowledge is that it is us versus them in that you have blind spots. our social narrative is a story that helps shape how you see the world. information you got from your parents, your school, your neighborhood. and it develops a lens and a filter through which you

interpret everything. so your social narrative is going to tell you how to interpret the news, how to interpret what you watch on television, the people rioting and protesting. how you interpret that. how you interpret the police. and what we all have to realize is that my social narrative is one of 7 billion. i don't know everyone's. and that's why i have to humbly say, help me understand your perspective and that's why us people coming together and talking. listening to each other. learning from each other. and learn to love each other. but if it has to be my way versus your way, we're never going to get anywhere. one of the ways to do that is to rename people. everybody was made in the image of god. every person. and, even the people who are looting, were made in the image of god, they're just doing bad things. but they are still made in the image of god, and have the potential to live productive lives. and if we can see them, not through the name of a looter or a thug, all the names we give people, and see god oes potential in them and treat them that way, then we can start to move the ball forward. >> one of the things i have

always believed in as a report and -- and -- traveling all around the world is the importance of walking in someone else's shoes. and trying to kind of see things through -- from a different vantage point. i saw online, somebody say the other day, you know, they think to themselves, well, what if i'm wrong? and i think a lot of us don't really think that thought very often. and i think it's a really important thought to think. like, what if my perspective is actually wrong on this? and being open to that possibility, even, i think, can lead to interesting places. >> brother, you hit it on the head. i think when people saw george murdered, the reason people on the streets, some of them, they're just fed up with it, absolutely. but i believe a lot of people are out there because they realize, i was wrong. kap was kneeling for a good reason and if we would have heeded his kneeling on the field, we might not be mourning the kneeling on george. and so i think people are

realizing, man, maybe i had this wrong. i write in my book "the third option" about having race consultations, not race conversations. we do see color and the only time we say we don't see color, is when we see it. but because we do see colors, we have all these assumptions about who we see. instead of taking those assumptions and claiming that they're fact, we should suspend them and have a race consultation. what i mean by that, let people self-disclose to you who they are because your assumption might be wrong. the lady in new york city who said an african-american is harassing me or whatever because she didn't have a dog on the leash. he was a harvard grad. she saw one thing, but had a all wrong so i think we need to listen to people, learn from people, and get to love them. >> pastor myles mcpherson. wow. makes me feel like instagram is worthwhile. i really appreciate you reaching out. >> i appreciate you responding. >> it's great to talk to you and i would love to come to a service of yours sometime.

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go to deal dash with come today. removal of the police union chief, lieutenant bob cole. one of the few people defending the officers involved in mr. floyd's death and wants them to fight for their jobs. in letter printed by star tribune said they were terminated without due process. protesters saying for real change he should turn in his badge. more now from our randi kaye. >> reporter: bob crowell always had hard-nosed approach to police, warrior style training,

which critics say encourages officers to use more force. just last year when the mayor of minneapolis banned such training, crowell began offering it to every officer who wanted it, while the mayor is in office. crowell has been accused of excessive force and racist remarks. back in 2004, crowell was suspended for nearly three weeks, after he and another off-duty police officer allegedly punched and kicked a plan for brushing against their car with his backpack. crowell denied any wrongdoing. on race, crowell has had harsh words for black lives matter. >> i don't see it as a voice for the community of minneapolis. real black leaders tell you this is a terrorist organization with false narratives. >> reporter: lawsuit brought by five minneapolis police officers suggest racism in the ranks, referred to keith ellison as a terrorist.

ellison, now minnesota's attorney general. is a black muslim. the same lawsuit accused crowell of wearing a motorcycle jacket with white power patch on it. the lawsuit was settled for $40,000. despite a history of controversy, crowell found a support ner the white house. >> the obama administration and handcuffing and oppression of police was despicable. the first thing president trump did when he took office was turn that around, got rid of the holder/loretta lynch regime and started letting the cops do their jobs, putting handcuffs on the criminals instead of us. >> reporter: a review of his time on the force by the star tribune revealed that crowell had at least 20 internal affairs complaints against him, including excessive force, civil complaints and wrongful arrest

lawsuits. three complaints ended in disciplinary action. crowell told the paper he's not a racist or the bogeyman that some have made him out to be. our calls and emails to bob crowell were not returned. >> thanks randi kaye. so much of this has been concerning and troubling to kids. a lot of kids have questions about all of this. cnn is tackling that, with sesame street, the town hall 10:00 a.m. eastern time right here. . what happened at a popular bike trail in maryland when a group tried to put up black lives matters flyers, little kids trying to put them up and why the police are asking for the public's help to find that guy in his biking gear.

you ever wish you weren't a motaur? sure. sometimes i wish i had legs like you. yeah, like a regular person. no. still half bike/half man, just the opposite. oh, so the legs on the bottom and motorcycle on the top? yeah. yeah, i could see that. for those who were born to ride, there's progressive.