today trying to clarify the matter. there is still much that's unknown about asymptomatic carriers. apologize for the technical problems we had tonight. i appreciate chris running in to the chair to save me once again. let's turn it over to him for the full hour. >> the next time would be the first time. i'm chris cuomo, welcome to prime time. george floyd is lying beside the mother he cried out for. his mom died more than two years ago. family and friends today laid their pain bear. >> i'm going to miss my brother a whole lot. i want to say, i love you. i thank god for giving me my own personal superman. >> i can breathe.

as long as i can breathe, justice will be served. i still can't get it together that he was calling my grandmother's name. i believe she was right there saying, come home, baby. you shouldn't feel this pain. >> everybody's going to remember him around the world. he's going to change the world. >> to be sure, their pain is real, and to be sure it does reverberate the world over. and to be sure the issues raised by floyd's alleged murder were note buried with him. let's bring in art acevedo. thank you for being here. >> thank you very much. >> what do you take of the emotion, the outrage, the events. in what culminated in the city

today. >> i think that we would all take there's a resolve, a resolve to forge ahead as a community in houston, and across texas and the nation to take this death, this unjust death that should not have happened. and to take -- harness the energy that has -- that's been created by his death to actually affect change across the natural landscape. >> you had the officer who had his knee on the throat of george floyd. a lawyer for one of them last night, the officer four days on the job, holding down the legs of george floyd. he said he is not responsible for the death of george floyd. that he wasn't sure what to do, he questioned keeping him the way he was. and that the senior officer, the

training officer said, keep it like this. and, therefore, he is not responsible. what is your assessment of that defense? >> i think everyone has a right to advocacy, and they're giving a preview for what the defense will be for that specific officer, they're probably going to be making different arguments, depending on how -- what role they played in it, at the end of the day, when you see a man who has a knee on the neck of another man. our expectation i think across the united states and this profession would be for officers to intercede and to actually say something and be forceful and they put a stop to, i'm not going to fault a defense attorney for doing his job. but i think they have a long -- he has a long road ahead of him. and quite frankly, we would expect all our officers to put a

stop to it. we have a duty, a permanent responsibility to act. >> you have a duty to earner scene. despite command. it's not about the advocate, it's about the argument, where he's coming from is interesting, he says, look, i've seen the body camera footage, i've seen what happened that you haven't been able to see that gives me a different context for what george floyd is doing. i've gotten to here what the officer was saying at the time. we know there are laws down where you are in texas, specifically in houston and minnesota. haven't we learned that these cases are more than what happens in the courtroom. and the transparency is everything, chief. and that people need to see the

body cam footage. >> i think that's an interesting question. you go back to the rodney king incident in los angeles as i lived through as a member of the california highway patrol, there was a lot of publicity. there was so much out there. they took away that trial from the people of los angeles and transferred it to simi valley, a community that is much different than l.a. county, we ended up with acquittals, i believe that we owe it to the people here in harris county, this is the most diverse city, the worst thing that could happen is to have a change of venue, because of the release of the videos and the publicity that comes from it, takes it away from the people of minneapolis and puts it somewhere else, it's really a balance, but we have to be honest and thoughtful and realize that every action has a consequence. and sometimes those unintended consequences ends up moving the

rodney king trial from diverse l.a. county to very conservative simi valley, we know what happened, the rest is history, deplorable action to that acquittal. we need to realize there's a different time. >> i get the balance, and that's why the laws are in place. this is not the exception, had it's the rule, this is not a minneapolis situation, it's not a minnesota situation, it's all over the world. you saw it in your own city. this resonates and transparency is everything. for people. and yes, you do have to be worried about polluting the jury pool and moving it somewhere else, you have to be worried about a lot of things, when you have 30 of your top cities having protests and cities the world over, the counter becomes yah, but it's not just a local problem, it's a big issue. the other problem, chief is this, somebody's got to look at the body cam video and make decisions.

technically that should be you and the attorney general for your state. somebody's got to look at the body camera footage and make a decision about whether or not this is wrongful conduct. but illegal conduct. people don't have the trust that you would do it, that police would do it, or a local prosecutor would do it. that's why they want to see it, how do you restore the trust. >> i think you do what we would do in travis county. you release all the videos for the people to see. we can show the families of the individual that was kill ed in police encounter. we've had several shootings here recently, involving the armed individuals and involving conflict with the police, where our mayors see it. i believe in transparency, but i

know our community. i think the say needs to be first in the court of criminal law. >> what if there are no charges? what if the investigation says nothing's wrong, but you never know why they found that? >> you release it. one of the things, part of the problem with our use of force and the way we deal with it, it's all done in secrecy. that in itself is a problem. there's a loot of opportunity to make things much more transparent, i'm hopeful as we move forward that's going to happen. >> i'll tell you what's definitely a part of it, conversations like this there's no us and them. it's only we.

i need you to keep me safe. they are my friends, they are men and women who are better than me. can't be you, versus citizens. we are in it together or nowhere. >> have a great night. i'm not all kumbaya. no, you can't forget it, because you love each other. you have to stay stuck on how you get to a better place, and you have to expose the problem, that's not creating the problem. incidents like this are now happening at the protests against police brutality. you've seen this. >> now, what happened, she wound up getting grabbed, thrown to the ground because she didn't

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charges, that's what's come down for the new york city police officer, shoving a woman to the ground during a george floyd protest. what happened? watch for yourself. it's from her perspective, it's her cell phone being used. >> he pushed a guy in the street. >> why? >> that's what happened. even after you saw her push to the pavement i think the most frightening part, at least as an observer is what happened after. they just keep on walking. the officer is vincent dundria. he was arraigned by video today. he's looking at counts of misdemeanor assault, criminal

mischief, harassment and menacing. he's the first nypd officer to face charges as a result of the protest. is that justice? what do you think? and more importantly, what is the woman that he shoved think. let's bring in dunya zaire joining me with her attorney. thank you for being with us. how are you feeling, how are you doing? >> i've been better, but buff i i've been worse. >> are you still injured because of what happened? you look like you took a nice shot to your head when you fell backwards. how are you? >> i didn't know a concussion felt this awful, i haven't been able to hold down food, i've been nauseous and my head hurts and my back, but i -- i'm alive and grateful. >> your shirt says bu on it.

i get the double entandra. when you were at the protest, you thought you were being the best self. >> i wanted to capture what was going on around me. i could see things were getting out of hand. i knew that recording is important. it's always important when these situations occur. i didn't think i would end up recording what happened to me. >> the officer says you need to get out of the street. you say, why? what's the criticism? you know what it is. you're supposed to listen to the police officer, he told you to get out of the street. you didn't get out of the street. that's what you get. >> i don't think that's accurate. i'm going to jump in here, the focus is not her actions, but

the officer's disproportionate reaction. if asking an officer why warrants getting assaulted by a man who's supposed to have more self-restraint than an average civilian, i don't know why we have police. >> that point is exactly why i asked the question and i'm okay with you jumping in, counselor, that's the job. that's the point, isn't it, they are in the business of what? they are trained to de-escalate, they are trained to deal with people exactly like this, they are not trained to deal with it the way he did. there's no question that it was wrong. it was wrong on a professional level. and now arguably, on a criminal level. the charges are misdemeanor charges. he has not yet been terminated. what do you think of the idea that he has not been fired or at

least not yet and may never be. and these charges are misdemeanor, it's not good. it's not a felony, it's not the worst kind of charge we can give. what do you think of that? >> so the most important thing here, is that there's not a facade of justice. we are cautiously optimistic there was a swift investigation and arrest of the officer. however, regardless of misdemeanor or felony, the most important thing is that this doesn't end up with a slap on the wrist. the nypd has a problem with use of excessive and deadly force. protesters have a right to be in the streets to assemble and speak their mind even the focus has to be on his disproportionate response. justice remains to be seen. charging is the first step here. there are many steps that are going to come after, and i think that the district attorney's office has to be transparent and

accountable and collaborative throughout this process. >> counselor, and obviously, you guys can weigh-in interchangeably, it's fine with me. there is a tragic irony in this. if he were to go to jail, do you see that as a loss of his livelihood. would you see that as justice, counselor? >> i don't know if jail is the right answer, that's not a question for me. our justice system consistently shuts victims out of the process. and discredits them or takes them out of the decision making process. she is the captain of her ship, and what she would like to see happen here is front and center. what i do want to make sure is

that, like i said, this is not a slap own the wrist. when you mention things like his livelihood being taken away. she was shoved so hard -- he shoved her like an nfl linebacker, she flew out of her shoe, slammed her head into the ground. she felt her brain rattle. had she ended up like the man in buffalo who went into a coma, cracked his head open, was bleeding on the floor, what would be the conversation, and are we going to keep waiting until people's lives are in danger because of the use of excessive and deadly force to take this serious. >> there are allegations about what you did before -- i don't see any of that on the video, about what he said to you, that will have to be evidenced by witnesses, he called you the ugly phrase he supposedly called you when this happened. the idea that after being pushed to the ground the way you were.

they just kept walking by. what does that mean to you? >> it's difficult to go after every officer in that video, but to be honest, not a single officer in that video did their job, they're supposed to be protecting the people, they're supposed to stop someone if they commit an assault in front of them. there was so much wrong. especially the lieutenant that was there, he did nothing. and he has been transferred as if that's a punishment. you cannot fix a problem from the bottom up. a lieutenant who could watch his lower officers commit a crime, hurt civilians he's supposed to be protecting and do nothing about it, that is a problem, and passing him on to another community is not correct. if you're going to solve a problem. if we're going to fix the police

brutality, we have to start with the higher ups that are allowing citizens to get hurt under their watch. there was no accountability from a single officer in that video. >> in that moment. in the video we saw, i understand why you say that. when you're healed, would you go back and protest again? >> i want to protest so bad. i know that people are getting hurt and they're able to go out. i'm kind of ashamed to say i'm a little afraid right now. i want to -- it gets me very angry that they successfully made me quiet. that they successfully made me afraid to protest. i should not be afraid to protest. i should be able to go and be there for the people who are putting themselves at risk. those people who are so brave, getting hurt and going back out there.

i'm too afraid to leave my house. i'm afraid to drive because i'm afraid i'm going to get pulled over and they're going to recognize me. i've been taking uber's everywhere. so going to a protest. i want to so bad, but i don't know how i'm going to get to that point. >> if i may, you're doing a great job right now of telling a pretty good group of people why you were there. how you feel about what happened, and what this is all about for you. and that is no small feat of courage after what you had to experience personally. i thank you, and counselor, i thank you for your shaping of the perspective on these issues. i wish you well, and i hope you always wind up doing what you think is right. because you think it's right. especially here. especially now. be well. >> thank you. >> none of these conversations

are easy. you have to represent what will be heard in places where this is discussed, in places where this is litigated. this is what she did, and that's why it was okay. you have to have the conversation, let her respond to it. do the same thing if police want to come on and offer their position on something like this. you have to have the conversations, not easy conversations, it's what this show is all about. but you have to have the conversation, we can't stay where we are. the only question is, where do we go from here. we cannot stay where we are. tonight in georgia, another window on the problem, the reality, an election meltdown in georgia has nothing to do with anything of the fraud that this president has tried to make you believe about. but it is exactly the concern of so many about disenfranchisement, keeping people from being able to exercise the right to vote.

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there's no more powerful way to make a point than proof, okay? the president has consistently told you mail-in balloting, you can't do it, it's riffe with fraud. it's not true. he made it up because he doesn't like it, he obviously has some personal concerns about too many people have too much access to voting. you have to be careful, because i won the popular vote, it was all these illegals in california. fake voters that weren't supposed to vote. it's not true, it's never been true. you look at the cases, there have been studies done. here is the tragedy of the travesty that the president has created on this issue.

we have real voter suppression concerns. one is playing out now. proof, please, put the picture back up. nobody needs to look at my nose. this has been going on, georgia's primary, a mess all day and evening. most of the problems have been in and around atlanta. why? that's what we're going to discuss. people waited for hours in the middle of a pandemic to vote. god bless them. for the fortitude, but why did they have to. fulton county, which includes parts of atlanta, extended voting by an hour tonight. it's a big ask, we know it's dangerous for you to be out there. this is the only type of widespread voter fraud we will ever see. please understand that, okay? not here, because you'll hear a lot, doesn't make it true. just because he says something does not make it true, and mother and more often it makes it likely to be false. forget about all that talk.

disenfranchisement is the concern. it has always been the concern. that's what we need to talk about tonight. now, we've been very fortunate, especially how to deal with it, for us to have an official to discuss why it's happening. gabriel sterling is the statewide voighting implementation manager for the state of georgia. thank you for joining us tonight. appreciate it. >> good to be here chris, to talk about what's happening in georgia today. >> let's talk about exactly that. 2018, 87,000 people prevented from voting, a disproportionate number were people of color, young groups favoring democrats, georgia has closed 5% of polling places since the supreme court invalidated the voter rights act, most of those are in black

and brown communities. people are concerned that what they saw today is a reflection of what they've seen before, which is disenfranchisement of minorities who tend to vote democrat. your take? >> the reality of what you're seeing in georgia today is the covid situation on large part. we lost many polling places. vfw halls opted out. in fulton county specifically, they lost 40 locations and collapsed them into mega precincts. we said this is not a good idea. you need to find other locations. those polling closures are literally county decisions. they are made at the county level and the state has zero ability to have them do that. if there are lines of over an hour. over 2,000 people registered at a polling place, you split that polling place or supply more machines to do it. what we saw today too was, as an

example. in fulton county, my home county. at a library, there were 15 machines that were sent there, the rules of covid spacing, only allowed four voters into the place. those are the realities, trying to get poll workers trained. we lost the -- the average age of poll workers is 70. it's very difficult to train, hands on training with equipment when you can't get more than 10 people in a room. >> here's the thing, gabe. i hear you, i hear you, and i wanted to give a chance to give a full this roted skplarngs on it. plenty of poem are holding elections during the pandemic. this is your problem, even if it's executed at the county level. and lots of states have done it without what we're seeing now on -- in your watch, in your major city. >> we had to roll out a new voting machine system, we had

just started, we had two weeks of early voting and when we merged those two together, we launched the largest mail-in program ever in the history of the state of georgia. over a million voters taking advantage of it. as of today, before we voted today we already had record turnout for a general primary. we have three weeks of early voting, including a mandatory saturday. that was a record. we anticipate a record turnout today. and the main things we saw had nothing to do with equipment, but had to do with poll worker training, because they couldn't do as much of it. we don't load the trucks, items were delivered late. especially in one county that has a history of problems. we already opened up an investigation because they mishandled absentee ballot applications.

almost every case, when our technician showed up it was a two or three minute fix. the poll workers had not learned what to do with this equipment. >> isn't that still on you? these are your people, this is your planning and it's an interesting argument you make that you have huge turnout, gabe. >> we do not employ poll workers to those locations, we're going to work hand in hand with the counties. it's going to be training, training, training, we're going to be better in august when we have a runoff. >> you have the same problem in 2018. >> you're just incorrect. we've never had these machines before, they're brand new. >> the machines are new, the problem is not. 2018, 87,000 people were prevented from voting, a disproportionate number were people of choolor. you had to prepare for it, it doesn't seem you did. if you're going to be able to

not handle the demand, it's nice you do it in places that tend to vote democrat. >> in those counties, they are run by democrats and they're the ones that set the elections board, we have been saying for years there's problems in fulton. fulton county has paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines for election violations. 150 of them had no problem whatsoever. they all received the same training. we trained the counters. we're all going to learn from this, you're right, this morning started out terribly, especially in fulton county. but for the most part, once we got the issues fixed where the poll workers didn't know how to handle it, the line started moving, at the same time, when you have 400 people lined up at a polling location, you only

allow six at a time in, and you can only scan about -- we used to have the electronic machines. >> i get it, but a lot of states have made the transition, i'm not looking to ascribe annie mouse, i'm just saying it looks bad. i'm raising the issues and giving you a chance to respond. there are a lot of people tonight who may not get to exercise the most important right we have. i appreciate you answering the questions. >> 6 pngt 9 million registered voters. we've done everything we can, and we're going to have record turnout. it does look bad when we started off this morning. we started addressing the issues as soon as we saw them, a little after lunch we were making sure the problem was off our board. we're encouraging everyone to vote. it's the most important thing you can do in our democracy. >> thank you for having our conversation. the pandemic it's taken over the planet by the way.

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because we keep changing our understanding of every aspect of this thing, ear than the reality, you don't want it. the cdc says a third of those infected may be asymptomatic, meaning you don't know you have it. the cdc also believes 40% of transmissions happen before you feel sick. so anyone can think they're asymptomatic, but it's possible symptoms just haven't shown up yet. the w.h.o. says the virus has spread mostly through droplets in the air, that's why you got to wear the mask. i know they used to say don't wear the mask, it changed. the understanding changed, the facts changed, the position can change. it doesn't mean it's like, not to be believed. fight's far from over. the w.h.o. says more than 136,000 cases were reported sunday. that's the most in a single day, so far. why do you feel it's getting

better? the key word in that sentence is feel. some of the big population centers like the one i'm sitting in right know, things are getting better, the rates are going down, there is good news, but we do have more intel on that front. okay? we're going to show you what's happening since places are reopening, and a question i think is the key to how we look back on this situation in terms of what was done right and wrong. when did they know? when did this start? we've been arguing on this show for a long time, that this thing has been around longer than they told us, why? you and i have always known why. you keep hearing from people who say they had it back around thanksgiving, back before the holidays. now what do the satellites show us, dr. sanjay gupta next. they help restore my natural barrier, so i can lock in moisture. we've got to have each other's backs... cerave.

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protests spreading the virus? my brother used the term super spreader. someone going from protest to protest, who has the virus, whether they know it or not how big of a concern? >> i think there's a real concern here. the super spreaders, there's people, a few people who are probably responsible for the vast majority of spread, that's what we sort of find out in these big outbreaks, there are more people who are more likely to spread it to other people. some people say tease the 80/20 rule. you start putting them into situations like the one you see there, you have a real concern. they not only are in close quarters with eother people. they may move around, they go to their own homes and communities, that's how you start to see significant clusters. we've been talking about this for months, nothing about the virus has changed. people in that close proximity is a concern. outside, that's better, wearing masks, that's going to help as

well. if they could get tested like your brother and other governors have said, that would be great. adequate testing, widespread easily available would help reduce the spread of this as well. that's not available we're starting to get data about what reopening, having people around one another. what that will mean in term of case is. two weeks out from memorial day. we saw the images of places people going out without masks. i'm sure we have experiences about what people are doing and not doing. what can we show now at this point? >> i think there's sort of a few things happening at the same time. memorial day weekend just over two weeks ago. obviously these protests that we have seen, states reopening. and add in to that states are doing more testing. maybe not enough. but that will add to the number of people diagnosed with the infection as well. what i have been following --

follow the hospitalizations also. if you see the upward trend of both cases and hospitalization that gives you a sense you are really seeing growing numbers of infections and more people getting sick. if you're increased cases but the same level of hopization that's reflecting of testing. it's early to tell. if you take memorial day weekend as a point in time. two to three weeks after that. i have been watching. and you see several states that have gone up by 50% over the last several days. many of the states reopened beginning of may. add memorial weekend on top of that is it leads to the problem. >> they'll push back with we're testing more. the two aren't mutually exdelusive. you can test more and have a jump in cases because you have more contagious.

>> look at hospitalizations as well. people getting sick from this in higher numbers would be more suggestive in fact it's a more widespread con teenagen. people who day that's another point in time. >> i have been tracking this. i believe when the books are written, we will look back and say we had more time to prepare. we had to take this seriously. you and i and everybody watching this right now have been hearing from people saying i think i had it. some of them are getting tested and see they have antibodies from months ago. a new study coronavirus may have started to spread in china as early as last august. okay? base on satellite images showing increase traffic in wuhan hospital parking lots and internet searches related to the virus. what's your take? >> this is fascinating. this is a really fascinating

study. look at the satellite images of parking lots. compared to years past. it's a lot more crowded in october of 19 or however they're looking at it. it's really interesting. it's an interesting way to collect the data and i think it probably does mean something. in your legal world this is circumstantial. maybe not the best quality evidence. it's highly suggestive. add into that something else which you saw in the study. search terms for the word cough and i believe diarrhea. went up. symptoms that we know are associated with this. people were getting sick going online. saying what is this symptoms mean. going to the hospital. it is quite likely. the only that i think throws a wrench into it we have the graph. the country here in the united states. really you see the peak of the coronavirus cases infections sort of in mid-april.

bounced around a bit since then. if it was really here a lot earlier, would we have seen a peak earlier? i get it. we weren't looking. we didn't think it was here. but still, if you look at the overall growth there you see it really start in middle of march. maybe there were cases earlier. but were there a lot of cases? when did you get the growth on the graph? it took a while to get to that point. you're right though, i have to give you credit. you said this. what maybe in the fall even of last year there may have been cases of coronavirus in this country and now when you look at the data it's probably correct. people in august being infected in china. a big city. and people flying out. i'm sure they were all over the world. >> i'm right about things all the time i don't get yet. i'm wrong twice as often. i'm saying preparedness. what we look for.

what we're aware and the early warning. don't sleep on circumstantial evidence. what is direct evidence is you always being a plus. thank you very much. why is the direct evidence everybody knows who sees you your job. thank you, be well. >> when i come back a quick thought about where we are today. in terms of what happens next. we all know we can't stay where we are with things as they are. so, what will make the difference? next. it only takes a second

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