hello, everyone. i'm kate bolduan. thank you so much for joining us here for the next couple of hours. we are keeping an eye on capitol hill this hour and that's where lawmakers just heard from george floyd's brother. this hearing going right now on capitol hill. the house judiciary committee is holding a hearing on police practices and accountability. george floyd's death at the hands of a minneapolis police officer has very clearly and voubs obviously in a concrete way called for reforms to stop police brutality. some cities are moving to make some changes like that, like banning the use of choke holds, but no consensus on what to do on a national scale and they're

talking about that today. manu raju is standing by. there is a powerful statement that just happened from george floyd's brother. what have you heard so far today? >> emotional testimony about exactly what philonise floyd witnessed when he saw the video of the death of his brother who was knelt on by a minneapolis police officer and emotion, choking up at times and delivering a statement where he also demanded change from congress and saying that he hoped his brother didn't die in vain. >> i'm tired. i'm tired of pain. pain you feel when you watch something like that. when you watch your big brother who you looked up to for your whole life die, die begging for his mom? i'm here to ask you to make it stop. stop the pain. stop us from being tired. george called for help, and he was ignored. please listen to the call i'm making to you now. make the necessary changes that

make law enforcement the solution and not the problem. hold them accountable when they do something wrong. teach them what it means to treat people with empathy and respect. teach them what necessary force is. teach them that deadly force should be used rarely and only when life is at risk. >> this kicks off what will be a pretty fast-moving process in the house to try to push forward on legislation to deal with the issue of police violence, to change what is happening in police departments across the country. there is a difference in opinion about exactly what is happening although from when we heard from republicans and democrats, some of the republicans who have kicked off the hearing, jim jordan and mike johnson talked about their concerns about what happened to george floyd, but also said according to the words of mike johnson, there were a few, quote, few bad apples in

police departments nationwide -- >> manu, sorry, but i have to jump in. we have to jump over to minneapolis and the police chief there holding a press conference. let's listen. >> -- who have expressed to me for the past two weeks that they are not that former officer who i refuse to mention his name in this space. i want to say thank you for your continued professional service as public servants during some of most challenging and dynamic situations that our city has experienced. to our city's residents and business owners, i want to say they am deeply sorry for what you've had to endure as well these past several weeks. i wish that i could carry those burdens on my shoulders alone so that you did not have to, but i will tell you that i am committed to making sure that moving forward we will get

better. as chief i took an oath of office in ensuring the public safety of this city's residents, businesses and visitors, and i am here to tell you you will not be abandoned. over the past several days i've heard from families and individuals who were concerned that if they were in need of a police response that they would not get one, and i am here to also tell you that we will be here for you. to our minneapolis community members, faith leaders, social justice advocates, civic and youth leaders along with the esteemed urban league and naacp and community elders, i want to say thank you for our continued, ongoing dialogue and solutions-focused conversations, but what our city needs now more than ever is a pathway and a

plan that provides hope, reassurance and actionable measures of reform because i work for and serve the people, this work must be transformational, but i must do it right. now this will not be accomplished overnight. it will take time, but i am confident that by being both vulnerable and shaping a new paradigm of peacekeeping and courageous and identifying and tearing down those barriers that have crippled relationships with our communities and that have eroded trust, we will have a police department that our communities view as legitimate, trusting and working with their best interests at heart. now today i will highlight just a few of these key areas in my plan and i will be scheduling

additional media briefings and press statement over the course of the next several days and weeks. beginning today as chief i am immediately withdrawing from the contract negotiations with the minneapolis police federation. i plan to bring in subject matter experience and advisors to conduct a thorough review of how the contract can be restructured to provide greater community transparency and more flexibility for true reform. now this is not about employees benefit, wages or salary, but this is further examining those significant matters that touch on such things as critical incident protocol, our use of force, the significant role that supervisors play in this department and also the discipline process to include both grievances and arbitration. i believe i speak for my chief

peers here in the state of minnesota as well as across our country that there is nothing more debilitating to a chief from an employment matter perspective, than when you have grounds to terminate an officer for misconduct and you are dealing with a third-party mechanism that allows for that employee to not only be back on your department, but to be patrolling in your communities. a second key measure of my plan of reform is to integrate new systems that use research on police behavior to connect officer performance data so department leaders can identify early warning signs of misconduct and provide proven strategies to intervene. now why has not reform in this area worked in the past? the academic experts who study this have revealed that supervisory action alone to remove problematic officers is very rare and significantly absent in larger departments. so for the first time in the history of policing we here in

minneapolis will have an opportunity to use real-time data and automation to intervene with officers who engage in problematic behavior. i'm also very excited about the generous funding and research assistance by our own minneapolis foundation. as i close my comments before your questions, i also want to end by saying this, race is inextricably a part of the american policing system. we will never evolve in this profession if we do not address it head-on. communities of color have paid the heaviest of costs and that is where their lives, and our children must be safeguarded from ever having to contribute to the horrific and shameful chapter of this country's

history. my plan will focus on imperative and respected community collaboration with an emphasis on the science of justice. i was born and raised in minneapolis, and as a child growing up in this city i did not see many peace officers that looked like me and for the ones that i did, they were my true sheroes and heroes. since i joined the ranks of this department i have dedicated my service to not only helping, but healing, and i will continue to do that. now i also recognize that parts of this department were broken, and i brought attention to that several years ago, but i did not abandon this department then, and i will not abandon this department now. history is being written now, and i am determined to make sure that we are on the right side of

history. thank you. >> as far as questions go, we'll spend the first five or so minutes taking questions from our local media first and then we'll turn it over to the rest of the group. so if you have questions, raise your hand and we'll call on you. so, questions from the local media to start. eric? >> yes, sir. chief, you have nine city council members who are saying defund police. do you think your response today is enough to flush those calls? what do you say about the defund police movement in the city? >> as chief, i am obligated to ensuring the public safety of our 400,000 plus residents. i will not abandon that. our elected officials certainly can engage in those conversations, but until there is a robust plan that reassures the safety of our residents, i will not leave them. i will not leave them behind.

>> paul, go ahead. nice to see you this morning. i know you spoke about withdrawing from union negotiations and putting you on the spot here, do you think the union president bob krall needs to step aside to reach a labor deal that the city would be satisfied with? >> i've had and continue to have very intentional conversations with lieutenant kroll, and what i believe is the best pathway to move forward for the city, for this department and while i won't go into the details, i believe he knows that from my position these are very serious conversations and there will have to be some decisions made moving forward and so i will just say that i've been engaged

in those conversations with him. i believe he clearly knows my position, and i will continue to have those conversations with him. >> susie? >> do you believe that bob kroll is willing to change and willing to be a part of the solution? >> i care deeply about this city, and i care deeply about the men and women that are sworn in and civilians of this department. we have to look into our hearts and what's in our best interests and so i hope that he will do the same. >> chief, you said you're not going to abandon the people of minneapolis. i've heard from some rank and file officers who are very disappointed here. what assurance do you have that there isn't going to be a slowdown or people aren't going to have their calls answered in response to the minneapolis city

council or to your own efforts for reform? >> there is no doubt that what our city has experienced over the past two weeks has been traumatic for not only our resident, but certainly our men and women in this department. that is very -- it is. it's the reality. so i have to make sure that they have spaces to heal, as well, but i will tell you, if i have conversations over the past couple of weeks and through all of these challenging dynamics they continue to show up, and i've said before that hope is here, and i've seen it played out in our cities and i've seen it play out with neighbors banning together to clean out around their shop areas and to look out for one another, and i see it with the spirit and the character of the men and women on this department who continue to keep showing up and what they're experiencing is real. absolutely, but i believe that we will continue to move forward and we'll move forward in

collaboration with our community. >> chief, you talked about racism and how we have to attack it head-on in order to deal with a lot of the problems that exist within mpd. can you talk about your personal battles of racism inside the department and what you've had to deal with coming up the ranks of the m.p.d.? >> yes. this is a 152-year-old department. it has its culture. some of that culture is good and some of that culture is grounded in our american experience and race is connected to that, undoubtedly. my experience was bringing attention to some of those systemic issues that race can have barriers in terms of promotion, hiring, retention and just the environment for all people within this organization to feel that they can succeed and be supported, and so i have a lens, a very different and unique from others and so i will lean on that lens to make sure that i'm doing everything i can

so that we can eradicate some of the same barriers that i've had to experience over several years ago and by the way, that people of color in this department and women are experiencing, and so i will continue to lean in and use that lens that i have to seek the changes that are needed, but also i want to just make this very clear, american policing in this nation, we have to address the race issue head-on. we are the visible, most first face of government in our communities and our communities are crying out and they've been doing it certainly with mr. floyd's death, but decades before that. we must do better. we have to do better, and so we have an opportunity not only to change the way that we do business in terms of officers in minneapolis, but across this nation and i've been talking over the course of several weeks with major city chiefs pip believe that the will is there both from a legislative

standpoint, but also all of our chiefs across the country, we know that the time is now, and it would be the greatest disservice in policing if we did not use the will and the energy and the inspiration to make some significant changes nationwide as it relates to race and policing. >> chief, in your remarks you used the realtime data with police officers and interactions and can you go more into detail of what that means and what the community would expect that to mean when these problems arise out in the public? >> yes. so what i can tell you is wea'v been very fortunate to bring on benchmark analytics which is a national company that expertise and specializes in this. for decades the traditional model has been that a supervisor would stay on top of a problematic employee and look at

areas of concern in terms of performance and we know that employees can change during their careers and we know that supervisors can change assignment and if we don't have a systematic, robust way through data of tracking no matter where the trajectory of that employee goes with that supervisor and we're going to have problems and i know that there are questions raised when an incident occurs and how come you didn't know about this person's number of complaints and what have you. we need to re-evaluate that and we need to do it through realtime data and we need to evolve and use technology to our advantage and it doesn't have to wait for every 30 days for an employee review or every year. we'll be able to do this now with realtime data, so i am very excited about that being introduced to our organization. >> we'll open it up now to the whole group. >> chief, you had previously said that in your view, the three other officers besides chauvin that were involved in this case were complicit in george floyd's death.

attorneys for at least two of the other officers have said that they were rookie cops and that they were following chauvin's lead. what's your response to that? the policies that i put out for our department, those policies are not guided in years of service. i don't put policies out to say that you should only react or respond if you're a two-year member or a five-year member or a ten-year member. and if policies or sub culture get in the way, then i expect and i demand on humanity to rise above that and so that is my answer for that. >> about those rookie cops, they were just a few shifts into the job. the only thing they really had to rely on was their training. does it show that the training here is failing? >> what i observed and i want to

be just mindful that obviously this case is under investigation, but what i observed was not training that i ever participated in, none that i observed. other officers participating in and so again, i will go back to when i helped craft the duty to intervene and the duty to report back in 2016 it does not signify if you have two days on or 20 years on. we expect you to -- whether it's verbally or physically to call out for help and to intervene. mr. floyd at the very least, was expecting that. >> is being -- to follow up on that, is being a rookie cop an excuse for what happened here? that's what they're saying, and number two do you think these two changes will be enough to make the sweeping changes at the department that people are looking for? >> when our members put on this

badge our communities should not expect any service or treatment different because you are two days on or 20 years on. we expect you to serve in a manner that is providing our communities with respect, dignity, giving them voice and having neutral engagements. that's -- that's universal and so our community should expect us to respond. i don't believe that during mr. floyd's floyd's floyd's encounter with the officers that he knew of the years of service those officer his on, but he was expecting humanity that day and it was not. >> to make the sweeping reform that people are looking for right now, the two changes you announce today? >> there will be many more. these are just two that i'm highlighting today, but we will really be doing a deep dive, but i also just want to say this again. over the past couple of weeks

i've been approached personally, e-mails and phone calls from wide ranging members of our police department both civilian and they've said chief, that is not us and that is not who we are and they are committed to making sure they go back out there and they're in the communities and they're trying to rebuild that trust and so it's going to be a heavy lift and there will be some hard work, but i'm determined that we'll be on the right side of history. >> quick question, i just wanted to follow up before we got too far away from that. a family of david smith spoke out from ten years ago, and from a local ymca and he was opinioned to the ground and ended up dying and the city paid out $3 million and the family as part of this lawsuit was promised some changes at least in terms of training. do you see a parallel between the two cases and are these officers being trained on how to

restrain a suspect? >> yeah. thank you for that question. again, the current incident involving mr. floyd, that is being under thorough review from both a state and federal level, and we certainly do an examination of that, but again, our training is key in this, and there was nothing in that training that should have resulted, in my opinion, that occurred with mr. floyd, but in terms of mr. smith's family, we will obviously look at that training and continue to look at it and you mentioned the as fixial position and what have you. yeah? >> chief, you say you've got internal support for this, but we saw on facebook some potentially inflammatory comments. society seems to have turned a corner on this. it doesn't look like at least some of the people are getting the message, and i'm familiar

with what you're referencing. when i came into my role in 2017, in our vision statement i specifically talked about social media. you do not get a pass as a minneapolis police employee being able to put this uniform on monday and then tuesday going home in the privacy of your home and putting out on social media things that you would not stand and do publicly in this uniform, i won't tolerate that. i won't tolerate that. >> what does it is a? do people have reason to doubt the sincerity of this department when things like that are showing up online? >> absolutely. we are going to be judged by every singular action. absolutely, and so that is why it is even more indicative and more paramount that we understand and by the way, not only are we going to be judged by a singular incident that occurs with our organization and we have the enormous responsibility of accountability of the police agencies across this country who will be

impacted by a officer's actions and our community has every right to question our other employees getting the message and it's up to me to make sure that they're getting that message loud and clear of what we will and will not tolerate. >> chief, now that they've had a couple of weeks in the wake of what happened to mr. floyd. there were allegations of people coming in from out of town, do you think that what occurred here was organic or do you think it was manipulated? >> that's a good question. so i know that early on there was information that potentially there were other outside influencers that had arrived in our city during the protests and the riots and what have you. i believe some of that to still be true in terms of the percentage or the amount of how many were from out of state, they're still looking at that, but i will just say this here. we had never experienced what we

experienced two weeks ago in the city. never. i believe that governor wallace indicated that it was the largest callout of the national guard in our state's history. there were many things that occurred and i'm a product of minneapolis and when i drive down lake street or broadway avenue my heart hurts. we have never seen that ever before and so regardless if those individuals from out of state were here, people were in pain. we also harmed our community, as well, and i have to make sure that we never go down that road again. so -- >> chief? >> yes? >> can you quickly take us through that night bouncing off of him, it quite frankly, was a mess down there. >> yes. >> outside the 3rd precinct, and i think people would like to hear from your perspective, not politicians, not any journalists and not anyone else, but your

decision, the things that were going through your mind when you say the third precinct goes. we are not going to surround that and engage. we're not going to do that. many people have asked was that the right decision. can you tell us from a chief's perspective, how did you arrive at that decision? who else influenced you in making that or it was you and do you still stand by it? >> that's a good question. i probably require a lot more time today to go into all those details, but i will tell all of you that the night that you're talking about that was something that we had not seen -- i had never seen in the course of my 30-plus years with this organization. we had multiple -- we had multiple high-risk civil unrest incidents occurring in our entire city all at once. the third precinct had some

protesters who had breached the gates. at the same time we had local businesses, target, for one, that was overrun by looters. we had liquor stores adjacent from the precinct that was overrun by looters and molotov cocktails were being made and we had an autozone being looted and we had multiple calls of shots being fired in the area. when the fires started, fire needed police escorts to get in and i had men and women within that building who for practical sense they were surrounded and if individuals had got inside and they were outnumbered, individuals that the officers in there would have been outnumbered there's only a couple of ways that scenario would have ended and none of them would have been good. none of them would have been good. i did not want to see community members severely injured or

worse, and i certainly didn't want to see the men and women who wear this uniform injured or worse. so i obviously have been communicating real time the dynamics on the ground that evening with the mayor, and that at one point in time he gave me the directive that we were going to evacuate and then i made the call for our teams to get the transport vehicles in there and get our folks out of there as fast as they could. my goal at that point, you asked me as chief, my goal was to preserve life, to preserve the life of the men and women officers and for the community. there will be reflection and there will be after-action reports on that. these decisions you don't always have the comfort of time to look at all of the different options and variables, but the one thing that i did have was that we had

people who ran the risk of potentially being killed that evening, and so -- i hope that helps. >> lou? >> chief, we heard a lot about the police union can't prevent the chiefs -- that people think can be made and you removed yourself from the negotiations. can you paint the picture for people of the obstacle that is there and how these changes can help break down that obstacle? >> so contracts have been in place, and i absolutely support the work of unions in terms of what they're designed to do to do better work environments and better workplaces for employees, but policing is very significant. we are obviously one of the few occupations -- they have arrest powers and can legally and justifiably take life.

so our communities are absolutely concerned about how those contracts are designed and the impacts that they have on them. as a chief, as i mentioned earlier, everyone is adhering to the policies and there is a character to this department that we should be aligning ourselves to, if there are impediments in the way of union contracts that absolutely makes it difficult. when i have to go before community members and explain why an employee should not be wearing this badge is working back in their communities, that is problematic for me and that can also erode trust. i need to, as chief, step away from the table with the minneapolis police federation and take a deep dive in terms of how we can do something that has historically been in the way of progress that i've been hearing from many in our city and that is my intention moving forward.

would you say, chief, it's that union contract that's preventing you from managing your department, standing in the way of you making sure that all of the officers are on the up and up and we don't have an incident like we had a couple of weeks ago? >> i think it is very clear that we have to evolve. i think that the traditional process in terms of the union contract are probably antiquated and are not meeting the needs of all vested stakeholders, and as chief, now is the time to step away from that and start anew. >> one other question about what started all of this, and i think again, this is to clear up what has become a national conversation about that $20 bill. what can you tell us now about cup foods, what mr. floyd was doing and the call that brought your officers to him and then we

saw the rest. is is there anything new or anything that you could go over detailwise from your perspective that would shed more light on that so that people have facts and can start with their personal opinions which may not be true? >> so i will just say this here. i haven't dealt so much interest the call specifics with the counterfeit bill and the original reason why our police responded i do know there was a relationship to a counterfeit bill, and i want to be very clear -- there is nothing -- there is nothing within that call that should have resulted in the outcome that resulted with mr. floyd. i want to be very clear. there is nothing in that call that should have resulted in the outcome of mr. floyd's death, but we will be looking at all of these things during after-action reports and what have you, but i appreciate the question.

>> oh, sure. being silent is complicit and i've heard a lot of people who said that the third precinct is the bad precinct and a lot of bullies and a lot of bad cops and chauvin was one of the good ones, someone told us. >> uh-huh. >> so if being silent is being complicit, if you knew there were problems there why didn't you fix them? >> so -- that's a good question. so i've only worked the third precinct for a couple of months in my 31-year career -- >> it's not that big a department. >> yeah, and so culture is one in which it can be very unwielding, but you have to continue to stay on it. i -- i don't believe that every single officer that wears this

uniform would have done things that occurred that evening two weeks ago. i have to continue to look at the different parts of this organization that could foster negative culture, that could foster negative reactions or relationships with this community, and i will continue to do that, but i will say more than that, it is imperative for me to make sure that i have leadership within this organization. i can dole out policies to live long day, but that supervisor at night who is standing before that roll call with those officers that's who they're going to take their orders from and i have to make sure there is the leadership that is entrusted to me as chief, and most importantly entrusted by the community that they'll be given the right messages each and every day so that we can break

away from these sub cultures of different things and culture is not obviously, types of sub culture not different -- >> do you trust the commander of the third precinct? >> i have no reason not to trust the commander of the third precinct. yes. >> can you talk right now about the biocamera release just for the public outcry just to see the entire episode from the body cameras of your officers who were laying floyd to rest? >> right now, in the minneapolis police department these are being investigated by two separate agencies and we do not have the purview to do that. [ inaudible ] >> you are saying the m.p.d. has control over the body camera footage. >> that's correct. that's correct. >> just on the bigger picture here, can this department be

reformed and are you able personally to reform it? >> absolutely, and i think that we're going to have to have the community support in this our police department is going to be here and we have to do better, and until the day that that is not the case we have to be committed each and every day, but as i said before, this is going to take time. it is going to take time and it is going to be heavy lifting and it will be hard work, and i do believe that we have the people and the men and women within this organization who are not going to let mr. floyd's death be in vain, who are not going let the actions of a few tarnish what they've worked so hard for and continue to work so hard for, so i do believe in that. >>. >> what role do you think the

departme community has to play? he had died of a medical issue or what have you and had their -- i don't know, your thoughts, had there not been the video that was posted by a citizen showing it, would we have known about this? would this have been something that would have gotten on our radar? >> and that is truly what not only people here in minneapolis have been questioning and talking about for a long time, but across this country. are we acting truly in the best interest of our communities absent video, and we should never have to rely upon that, and so i'm thankful, absolutely that this was captured in the manner that it was. no excuse for the actions. so, yes? yes? >> so if you're coming across

something that looks not to be right and i have a camera -- >> record. call. call a friend. yell out. call 911. we need a supervisor to the scene. absolutely. i need to know that. we need to know that, so the community plays a vital role and did two weeks ago. absolutely. yes. >> chief, you said earlier in the press conference that what you've observed on that videotape was not training you had ever seen. so if that's true where did the behavior that you did see come from? >> i've struggled when i watched that video that i did not see humanity. i did not see humanity, and

so -- that's the only answer i can give you. i did not see humanity that day. >> they were yielding to the experience of officer chauvin. again, where does that fit -- where does that come from? >> again, and i've said this before, that's a good question. we do not shape our policies based on your years of service. we expect you to be professional. we expect you to have a duty and care for life and if you come into conflict with policy ore subculture, i expect your humanity to rise above that, and our communities expect that.

? chief, earlier, you described your decision in detail to let the third precinct burn and you describe the events leading up to it that there was already looting and fires happening and that it was a public safety threat for those people inside, but i guess to back up even more, how was that situation allowed to get to that point, to get to the point where the looting was happening. in other words, did you let it get too out of control too soon and were you caught flat footed? >> it was obvious, and i believe there's been public statements since then that resources, this again, this was the number of civil unrest, significant high-risk events were nothing that we ever experienced in the minneapolis police department and did not have adequate resources and i will say, too, that to me being on the ground

to your point, that did not appear to be organic in terms of just based on emotion and reaction and there were strategic things that appeared to be going on at once in key locations had not experienced that before. so again, i think it was a combination of thing, but it was certainly something that i don't believe there was ever a playbook designed to address major civil unrest, looting, riots, fires, shots fired and overrunning a police department. police precinct. >> what type of orders and instructions were officers given because we witnessed what appears to be a lot of looters and rioters having free will to do whatever they wanted in many areas of the city.

>> yeah. during that -- certainly during that evening, we really, again, because of the coordinated, vents that appeared to be occurring throughout press vagsz of life baechl the number one priority and there were many complaints from the community members that talked about lack of 911 response call and we had to have fire assisted with police personnel so that they could be protected to go in at some point in time and at some point, preservation of life and property, it became press vagsz of life and it was very sad for me to see autozone and all of these other, but preservation of life became the primary function and so again, these are aren't done with the luxury of time, but preservation of life will always be the priority that we have to focus on at the time. >> chief, a lot of us local

reporters know the kind of work that you've been to repair the message to the black community. your answer to the decades of killing our sons, killing our fathers and they're protecting themselves because of fear now because of watching that video of george floyd over and over again. your message to the plaqblack community and what do you say now to the community that is hurting now and dealing with a lot of trauma. >> yes. i'm not walking away from them. many of the conversations that i've been having and will continue to have is with our community elders from the african-american community. i am leaning on them. those who have experienced trials and tribulations during the '60s when plymouth avenue burned during the civil rights movement and those who were here to fight down barriers so they could be in the position they am here today. there's much that i will

continue to learn from them. we have, i believe we have the will and the experience to heal from this here. we do. they also know that organizational reform is a process. this is not a sprint, but we have to do it rate. i have to do it right. so those conversations will continue, but rest assured again, they're also tired. they're tired of chiefs and politicians stand before them and giving them words, hollow words and rhetoric. they want action, and i've been listening to them and they're demanding action, and it is needed and that is my frame and that is my goal and my north star compass as we move forward. this, people are tired. they want action.

>> eric, last one. >> chief, you talked about how there was no playbook for what played out when those riots started that night. how would you rate how your department handled those riots? >> i will go back to preservation of life. fortunately, i should say sadly, was there one homicide that occurred during the course of those evenings. there was a gentleman who was shot and killed outside of a pawn shop and so that's being investigated. our officers were not fatally wounded and our community members were not fatally wounded, so as i stand before you today, that -- that is crucial, that is the most important thing for me, but now i have to go backwards and say how do we -- how do we avoid

even that coming to be? we should never have to, ever have to experience that again as the city and certainly mr. floyd's death was a catalyst to that. his death cannot be in vein, and so that also will be driving me, but again, preservation of life and that was key to me when you look at the events that unfolded that night in real time is making sure i could do everything i could to save lives. thank you. >> chief? >> yes, sir. >> where did this energy against the media occur and where did it come from because of the way the media was treated by this police department? >> the -- sir, just for reference, where did the energy against the media, where did that occur? >> where did -- why were the police departments so bad toward

the media in this riot. >> to your question, sir, and i know there have been complaints and there's certainly been video of journalists whether it was rubber bullets and tear gassing, and i, for one, respect the immense importance that our media plays in not only minneapolis, but our society and our democracy. our media must be protected. they have to be. i am so fortunate that all of you are here. this story has to be told. we talked about silence is complicit. all of you are making sure that this story is not silenced, and so one of the things, sir, that we will be looking at and i will be looking at during this after-action report is why were media, journalists and representatives fired upon and tear gassed and what have you. that can't happen. that can't happen and to our journalists here my apologies to you and your colleagues who fell under some of that, so -- yes? >> chief. thank you very much. >> thank you.

>> so we've been listening to the minneapolis police chief aradondo, and it has been fascinating listening to the man who has been a central figure and a vocal presence throughout the crisis that has engulfed the city of minneapolis and his police department. the crisis in the aftermath of the death of george floyd at the hands of a minneapolis police officer, making powerful statements and also making a de declaration of immediate changes that he will be putting place, as he said because he's committed to making sure moving forward we will get better. a lot to discuss here. joining me right now is the mayor of tampa florida, jane castor who is a former police chief. mayor, thank you very much for sticking around. you were listening to the police chief along with all of us as we were listening to it live, as a mayor and former police chief, what is your reaction to what

you just heard from chief arredando. he is willing to come forward and he is willing to reform his police department, those individuals that were involved in the murder of george floyd. he's addressing that. he's open to having the community come in and take a look at that police department and take a look at the policies and procedures and look at the training and look at the ways they can improve the wa that they are policing the city of minneapolis. >> one of the things that he said, the immediate changes that he's making, he said that he is immediately withdrawing from negotiating with the police union there. how significant is that? >> well, you know, the relationship between the police department and union representation is different in every city. so i'm not sure where he is at with that here in the city of

tampa. we worked very closely with our union to ensure that the thousand member tampa police department has the best law enforcement officers that we possibly can, and to weed out those few individuals that make their way into the force. >> you know this as a former chief in such personal and emotional term, but this is a very different moment, that that city is experiencing and, quite frankly, the country is experiencing. you have seen very big protests in tampa as well. for a chief to really take this on his shoulders, he says specifically, and it caught my ear when he said, i must do it, meaning reforms. i must do it right. what is the impact of that? >> well, i can tell you that the stars he's wearing right now are incredibly heavy, and i commend him for taking the responsibility, and also ensuring that they'll move

forward in a very transparent way. and one of the things about law enforcement, a lot of people aren't aware, it's judged as a whole nationwide. other professions someone can do something inappropriate, doctor kills a patient, and everyone still holds him in high esteem. it's important that we have federal best practices on a national level, and not just from department to department that they differ. for example, with the ka ra cor coradtd restraint. we did away with that years ago. >> and for example, police departments looking at this and you're getting at something i'm

very interested in and a conversation that needs to be had, which is, where does the change need to come from? we have nearly 18,000 police departments across the country. is it on the local level or the federal level, as we're seeing congress discuss this today? >> i think the change has to come on the local level. we have to wait to have mayors and police chiefs weigh in before congress decides the best approach, but one of the things, too, that in the discussion, i'm on that task force, and in the discussion i said, we have to communicate nationally we're asking police officers to do too much. you know, though systemic failures in our nation, in education, in health care, in mental health, you know, the police officers are asked to be the teachers, to be the mental health experts, to be the counselors, and it's just too much. we can't, you know, take funding away from those other areas and then put those tasks on the police department. >> and, mayor, i absolutely hear

you on that, and i've heard from activists to politicians to police chiefs themselves across the board. that is something that seems to be in agreement. which is police officers, they shouldn't be responding to mental health calls. they shouldn't be social workers. there should be funding in that, but i will say as i hear that, reforms in place there would not have saved george floyd, or eric garner, or michael brown, because those were not mental health calls. those were not social worker calls. doesn't this come down to every individual who carry as badge? >> yes, it does. that goes back to, as the chief alluded to, those programs that the early intervention programs we have in effect here in the city of tampa, our quality assurance programs, our officer wellness programs. those types of things. i always tell people being a police officer you get to see and do things others don't get to see and do, but you have to

see and do things that nobody should have to see or do. so we need to pay attention to law enforcement, and to the wellness on the level of officers. also, i want to point something out. that we have a lot of great recommendations for reforming in law enforcement. 21st century task force on policing has excellent recommendations, but that's just a portion of the equation. it's in the implementation of those recommendations that we will find success in law enforcement, and that hearkens back to having the standards on a national level. >> and on who really needs to take the lead. mayor, thank you so much for your time. thank you for sticking around. i appreciate it getting your perspecti perspective. you need perspective and it's very much appreciated mayor of tampa, florida. coming up for us, george floyd's brother on capitol hill today testifying before the

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hello. top of the hour. i'm kate bolduan. thanks for sticking with us. push for police reform front and center in a new way. on capitol hill lawmakers hearing from george floyd's brother on procedure, and law enforcement accountability. as as we've been listening a powerful statement and press conference out of minneapolis. the city that has been center of this crisis. we just heard from the minneapolis please chief who is taking this on his shoulders, promising real and tangible ching within the department saying at one point, "we will get better." listen. >> i'm immediately withdrawing from the contracts with the minneapolis police federation. i plan to bring in serious advisers to bring in a thorough review how the contract can be restructured for