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good evening. at a moment of sweeping change in this country, on the question of race and justice, the president of the united states, today, signalled his resistance to it and showed in ways we'll talk about tonight how out of step he appears to be with where a significant part of the country now is. he's been building up to this for days now as senior advisers battled over whether he should give some kind of address on the subject. and one cabinet secretary said, stay tuned. >> i believe you're going to be hearing from the president this week, on this topic, in some detail. and i -- i would ask you, maybe, to reserve judgment until after that time. >> well, the question tonight. did we just witness that moment that dr. ben carson was saying stay tuned for?

where his remarks, the president's remarks this afternoon to a handpicked roundtable in dallas all there is? because if so, nothing much has changed. the president began today by praising himself. >> from day one, i have been fighting for the forgotten men and women of america. and i think we've been doing a great job of it. >> he praised himself, as he has, of course, many times already for low black unemployment until, in his words, the plague from china arrived. he then addressed the issue of systematic racism by alluding to it, then undermining the notion. >> in recent days, there have been vigorous discussion about how to ensure fairness, equality, and justice for all of our people. unfortunately, there are some trying to stoke division and to push an extreme agenda, which we won't go for, that will produce only more poverty, more crime, more suffering. we have to work together to confront bigotry and prejudice, wherever they appear. but we'll make no progress and

heal no wounds by falsely labeling tens of millions of decent americans as racist or bigots. >> we have to work together to confront bigotry and prejudice wherever they appear, the president said. the question is when has donald trump called out bigotry or prejudice, when it's appeared? how often? when? we know he's familiar with bigotry and prejudice. his father practiced it in business. the business that his son continued in. and donald trump has promoted bigotry and prejudice, in his words, for decades. this, we know. the question is, when has he called it out when it's appeared? perhaps, the white house will provide examples. he went on to say that they will make no progress by, quote, falsely labeling tens of millions of decent americans as racist or bigots. who's they? is it the thugs he has spoken about, protesting in the streets? the marches that have been taking place, night after night, overwhelmingly peaceful throughout this country, have

not been -- the marchers have not been saying that tens of millions of people are racists or bigots. they are asking for equal justice, for everyone. they're asking everyone to acknowledge the well-founded fear african-americans experience in encounters with police every single day that white-americans, simply do not. it's also worth noting throughout his remarks this afternoon, the president never once mentioned george floyd's name or breonna taylor or ahmaud arbery. he spoke, instead of police being attacked, police being knifed, police being shot. and at a moment when so much of the country is talking about reforming, the president again spoke approvingly, of course. >> i said and people said, oh, i don't know if we like that expression. i said we have to dominate the streets. you can't let that happen, what happened in new york city. the damage they've done. you have to dominate the streets. and i was criticized for that statement. i made the statement we have to dominate the street. and they said, oh, that's such a

terrible thing. well, guess what? you know who dominated the streets? people who you don't want to dominate the streets, and look at the damage they did. so i'll stick with that and i think most of the people in this room -- maybe every person in this room will stick with that. and we're doing it with compassion, if you think about it. we're dominating the street with compassion because we're saving lives and we're saving businesses. we're saving families from being wiped out, after working hard for 20 and 30 years. >> dominating the streets with compassion. compassion a compassionate domination. it's an interesting concept for a democracy. it's an interesting concept, the idea of dominating the people who are paying the taxes that fund the domination. but they're doing it compassionately, according to the president. as we said, it was a carefully curated group he was speaking to, minus critical voices, among those who were not invited to this discussion of race and policing, the dallas police chief, county sheriff, and the district attorney, all of whom are african-american.

also, not invited, three democratic members of congress from the area. again, all three, african-american. the president did say the administration is working to finalize an executive order to, quote, encourage police departments nationwide to meet the most current professional standards for the use of force. some encouragement. but the main message was one of law and order. of tarring protestors as a violent mob and barely acknowledging how rapidly and profoundly the country is changing all around him. whether it's cities and states banning chokeholds and neck restraints, nascar banning confederate flags, cities removing confederate monuments. today, republican-controlled arms committee, home to hundreds of members of the 82nd airborne used against protestors in washington. and in striking contract joint chief chairman general mark milley who took part wearing

combat fatigues. today, two weeks later, apologized. here's' what he told graduates at national defense university in a video commencement speech today. >> as senior leaders, everything you do will be closely watched. and i am not immune. as many of you saw, the result of the photograph of me at lafayette square last week. that sparked a national debate about the role of the military in civil society. i should not have been there. my presence, in that moment and in that environment, created a perception of the military involved in domestic politics. as a commissioned, uniformed officer, it was a mistake, that i have learned from. and i sincerely hope we all can learn from it. we, who wear the cloth of our nation, come from the people of our nation. and we must hold dear, the principle of an apolitical military, that is so deeply rooted in the very essence of

our republic. >> and good for him. a leader admits a mistake. wasn't so hard. nobody's going to criticize him for admitting a mistake. the president might pay attention to general milley. cnn chief white house correspondent jim acosta joins us now with more. so, jim, the president in an interview with fox news, talked about police. he also talked about, you know, when -- his phrase that he used when -- when the looting starts, the shooting starts. and he claimed that, you know, he just heard it over the years. a lot of people say tg over tin the years. the fact that you've heard something, a lot of people just saying over the years, that's not a good indication that it's a legitimate phrase. or you might want to, if you're president, know where that phrase comes from. he claims, even today, he thought it came from, i think the mayor of philadelphia when, in fact, it came from a southern sheriff in miami, 1967. what did he say about police? >> exactly. yeah. exactly, anderson. i mean, the president is still

having trouble answering that question about when he used that phrase when the looting starts, the shooting starts. he tried to say he's known about this phrase for some time but then mischaracterized what it means. saying that when people are out looting, sometimes people get shot. when the police chief in miami, when he uttered that phrase back in the 1960s, meant if you go out and you loot, you are going to get shot by our police officers. so the president continues to mischaracterize that. as for the overall issue of police brutality and this played out at the church he was speaking at earlier today, anderson. the president seemed to be spending more time lamenting the fact that officers are sometimes targeted in the line of duty. regrettably, that is the case. more so than what happens to people like george floyd and breonna taylor and -- and all of the other victims of police brutality that have been in the news over the last several years. of t and the president was asked about this on one of his favorite conservative news outlets, and here's more of what he had to say. >> we are going to do lots of, i

think, good things. but we also have to keep our police and our law enforcement strong. they have to do it right. they have to be trained, in a proper manner. they have to do it right. again, the sad thing is that they are very professional. but when you see an event like that, with the more than eight minutes of horror, it's eight minutes really of horror. it's a disgrace. and then, people start saying, well, are all police like that? they don't know. maybe they don't think about it that much. it doesn't make any difference. the fact is, they start saying, well, police are like that. police aren't like that. most of the police officers are really good people. >> and earlier today, anderson, the president pledged he'll be taking some executive action to take aim at some of these police tactics and professionalize law enforcement aekss around the country. but anderson, at this point, it's not clear whether any of

these executive actions will have any teeth and whether or not the president will sign on to some of these reform proposals on capitol hill. even republicans in the house and senate seem to be moving further ahead in terms of what they would like to see done than the president and the white house at this point. anderson. >> it seems so obvious now that the president is using in and -- and talking about this in ways that he believe will best suit him for re-election. he talks about they, you know, the people he's labeled thugs. protestors in the streets. and, you know, good, decent americans, who they are calling racist. i mean, it's all about division. is this the talk that ben carson was saying stay tuned for? i mean, is this all there is? >> anderson, it all -- it all appears to be about his base and not about race. the president, you know, was on twitter earlier today defending the tactics that were used in lafayette park.

praising the national guard. saying that it was all too easy, the way they moved through those protestors on -- on june 1st. obviously, there are people like secretary carson, there are officials inside the white house that we talk to from time to time, who will say the president wants to use some unifying themes and try to talk to the whole nation. but the end result, at the end of the day, either whether it's on twitter or an interview with a favorite conservative news outlet, he is making appeals to his base. i mean, earlier today, the white house press secretary, anderson, was defending the fact that the president is going to hold his first pandemic rally, rally in the middle of this pandemic, in tulsa, oklahoma. the scene of one of the worst incidents of racial violence against african-americans in this country's history, and doing it on june 19th, also known as juneteenth. the day that emancipated -- slaves first learned about the emancipation proclamation down in texas. and so, the white house press secretary tried to say the president understands all of

that. anderson, if he doesn't understand the expression when the looting starts, the shooting starts comes from. it's hard to imagine that he is well-versed in all that history that he appears to be treading into, when he has this rally next week. it seems to be, time and again, anderson, just a failure to grasp the reality on the ground and on the streets, where people are clamoring for change. anderson. >> or the flip is true. he absolutely grasps the reality on the streets, and what is actually happening. he just doesn't like it, and he wants to try to stop it, as best he can. i just -- we just got the sound of him, you know, justifying his use of -- of -- you know, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. let's look at what he is claiming now. >> so that's an expression i've heard over the years. >> do you know where it comes from? >> i think philadelphia. the mayor of philadelphia. >> no. it comes from 1967. i was about 18 months old at the

time. wiki because they probably got it wrong. but it was from the chief of police in miami. he was cracking down and he meant what he said. and he said i don't even care if it makes it look like brutality, i'm going to crack down. wht looti when the looting starts, the shooting starts. that frightened a lot of people. >> well, it also comes from a very tough mayor, who might have been police commissioner at the time. but i think mayor of philadelphia, named frank rizzo, and he had an expression like that. but i've heard it. i think it's been used many times. it means two things. very different things. one is, if there's looting, there's probably going to be shooting and that's not as a threat. that's really just a fact because that's what happens. and the other is, if there's looting, there's going to be shooting. there's very -- there are very different meanings. >> oh, interesting. >> no, it's very different meaning. >> by the way, frank rizzo was a police commissioner in

philadelphia, 1968 to 1971. i mean, the police force, you know, police forces in the late '60s and early '70s in the city of philadelphia and new york, those were very different police forces, even than they are, right now. so, you know, the idea that he is quoting frank rizzo is not necessarily going to -- i mean, it's not the greatest. i believe his statue was just targeted in philadelphia as well. but the idea that the president, you know, believes it's a nuanced phrase, meaning multiple things. i mean, that just -- everybody knows what it means. we're not idiots. >> that's right. that's right. and -- and he appears to relish this role of unleashing police forces, in whatever city he sees fit. and, anderson, i mean, we still haven't had a chance to press the president on what took place in lafayette square behind me. they finally took down the fence at the park. and he still has not been

pressed on these brutal, ridiculous tactics that were used to clear out those protestors, where people were pummeled and gassed by their own government. and the president is -- if he can't handle these questions on fox, it's hard to imagine how he's going to handle these questions when they're finally put to him. and, you know, they have him in the news bunker right now but eventually, these questions will be put to him and i just can't imagine he'll be able to handle those questions very well. you know, talking to people around him, he is still in this base mode where he thinks he can divide his way all the way to november and he seems to be doing that right now, anderson. >> jim acosta. maybe he can. maybe it'll work for him. jim acosta, thanks very much. two political commentators, van jones and david axelrod. also, gloria brown marshall who teaches constitutional law, here, in new york. she is also the author of race, law, in american society 1607 to present. >> van, the event today was

billed as a roundtable on justice disparities. he didn't focus on police violence against african-americans. he didn't talk about systematic racism or -- you know, he's trying to make this, you know, thugs in the streets. calling police officers and decent quote/unquote americans racists and bigots. most of the people i know, the protestors, are talking about systematic problems within police forces. not necessarily even individuals that everybody is a racist. it's systematic problems, that are engrained in the justice system, in the healthcare system, in the education system, and on and on. >> well, listen. the mere fact that we're having this conversation, at this level, i'm not going to let anybody steal my joy today. yes, we're now trying to explain systemic racism, in a country where nascar says they're not going to fly the confederate flag anymore.

where the nfl is apologizing for not supporting the -- our peaceful protests earlier. the dominos are falling in one direction through -- through corporate america. through the young people of america. the irony here, is that donald trump got into office by navigating the choppy waters of a populist uprising. you had bernie sanders. in his party, it was the donald trump rising. he should understand and recognize a populist uprising when he sees one. but, instead, this is a populist uprising against the status quo on race in this country. we're tired of his videos. and he's having a hard time navigating it because it doesn't fit with what he expects from populism in the country. but this is a populist uprising, too. and so, i'm not going to let anybody steal my joy. it's -- we don't even know what we're in right now. we are in a moment that's

maybe -- history will call, maybe, a great awakening. where people have come together. there is a new consensus that has emerged and people are moving to get stuff done, all levels of society. the trump administration still has an opportunity to be a more constructive part in this process. but the reality is the reason he's even talking about this and the reason we're talking about this is because tens of millions of ordinary americans, black, white, and otherwise, are in the streets right now wanting a better way forward. and the dominos are falling, in only one direction. >> professor brown marshall. just yesterday, the president's top economic advisor, larry kudlow, says he doesn't believe there is systematic racism in the united states. i mean, if the president is -- if his top aides deny there is a problem, how can they be part of the solution? >> well, they can't be. and that's why people are in the streets. we can't expect a man, donald trump, who abused his power, to

stop other people, the police officers, from terrorizing the black community and abusing their authority. there are the majority of police officers, who do good work. they go into this job to help people. and there are the rogue police officers, who are outright terrorists. and we saw it with derek chauvin. that he was terrorizing the black community. and has probably been terrorizing the black community for many years. teaching younger officers how to terrorize the black community. so, i had a chance to actually talk with the daughter of george wallace. and george wallace knew, when he ran for office, that he was running to office on a ticket of racism. and he used it to protell himself to a national stage. donald trump is doing the same thing but i'll tell you this. george wallace's daughter apologized for what her father did. and history is going to have the children or the grandchildren of donald trump apologizing to this country for what he is doing.

>> well, there's no doubt. i mean, you know, ivanka trump going to be wanting to sell, you know, clothes and shoes to people. you -- there's no doubt she's going to be going on a campaign of reinvention when -- when her father is out of office. david, the reference the president made to frank rizzo and the phrase when the looting starts, the shooting starts, rizzo was someone who was known for police brutality. i mean, if you were police commissioner in 1968 and 1970 in the city of philadelphia, you knew a thing or two about brutality. >> yeah. if you look -- if you looked up racism and brutality in the dictionary, you'd find frank rizzo's picture. he brutalized his citizens, particularly his citizens of color, and he celebrated that. and ultimately ran for mayor on that kind platform, as the

president's trying to run on a law-and-order platform here. but he could not have invoked a worse symbol than frank rizzo who is exactly what america is saying we need to leave in the past. we need to confront that past, and we need to address that past. you know, the president talked about, you know, police officers who risk their lives. some get shot. he's absolutely right. and i agree what was said. most of them do a fine job, heroic job, in many cases. but when a police officer gets shot, the whole force of the criminal justice system comes down on their assailants. when a police officer harasses or -- or, in the case of george floyd, kills someone, that is a question. you know, it is very rare, in america, for a police officer to be disciplined for that. these are systemic problems.

they are wrong. they are part of a larger problem. i agree with van. i'm really encouraged. i think the president -- you know, the only math he does is division. but i don't think he's reading the math of this moment right, as he's running for re-election, because this country is much more united than he thinks. and it's united on the other side of this debate. people were shocked by what they saw in minneapolis. they were shocked by what they saw in georgia. and there is an awakening going on. and he is still pushing the same, old buttons, hoping for the same reaction. and i think he's getting less and less of a response. >> david axelrod, van jones, gloria brown marshall, thank you very much. a troubling reminder whether or not we are tired of coronavirus, the virus is not tired of us. a new projection that ought to get everyone's attention when we come back. later, chicago's mayor joins us after members of the chicago police force were caught on tape lounging around in a

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today, the state of south carolina reported the highest single-day number of coronavirus cases since the outbreak began. so many states are lifting more and more restrictions, as cases are spiking. last night, we reported new projections from harvard university of another 100,000 virus deaths in this country by september. now, there's a new projection with the university of washington's influential modeling effort, and it, too, is sobering. joining us, dr. chris murray, the director of the university's institute for health metrics and evaluation. dr. murray, your model now predicts nearly 170,000 deaths by ortho 1ctober 1st. how did you get to that number? >> so we're taking into account,

anderson, the big surge in mobility we've been seeing unfold since, actually, the end of april. and that's going -- is driving up transmission. we now have survey data that's collected every day, that tells us the number of contacts people are having. and that's going up, and that's going into the model. and those -- that trajectory is being balanced against a good fraction of america, maybe 40%, wearing a mask at all times. you know, improved testing. and then, seasonality working in our favor. but all of that starts to turn in august. so we're going to see this sort of slow, very slow decline. some states going up, like arizona. but, nationally, numbers going down. but the whole thing turns around at the end of august and we go from just under 400 deaths a day, all the way up to about a thousand deaths a day, by the end of september.

which bodes really badly past october 1st. >> and how can you specify that it's at that -- at the end of august, that there is that turn? >> well, what that comes from is that we found a really strong relationship, by looking back in the past. in the last ten years, in the united states, by state, by week, of deaths from pneumonia. and we have found that variable, you know, the number of deaths each week from pneumonia, is really predictive of what's going on in the u.s. in aggregate. it's one thing giving us protection against the increased mobility out there and contact. and that turns around at the end of august. and kids start to go back to school mid-august. and so, those two come together, and that really is going to drive transmission, we think, way up at that point. >> it certainly seems, you know, people have -- or at least

governors, the president, others, have made the choice. look, you know, we have to get businesses back online. we have to get going again, as an economy. and one can argue about that. but, given that reality that things are opening and moving -- and -- and maybe that will change, at some point, if it gets really bad. maybe it won't. but, regardless, there is still a thing that individuals can do. i mean, we -- we know what works to slow this, to protect oneself. and it's wearing a mask. it's social distancing. people -- i mean, if people feel deflated hearing this, that there's going to be this potential, you know, surge at the end of august. 170,000 deaths by october. there are still things you, as an individual, can do. >> there's a lot we can do. you know, masks really work. the systematic analysis, and we've done our own on that, shows about a 50% protection.

and, you know, only 40% of americans always wear a mask. and that number's not getting higher. it's probably going to start dropping. so that's one way to really prevent. and then, there's just the number of people, close contacts that people are having. back in, you know, mid-april, the number of close contacts that people had was really, really small. and it's just been steadily rising since then. and those are two things that are really within the control of people. and then, we're going to have to see. we're going to see if governors, if things get really bad in november or later, what -- what will happen at that point. >> dr. chris murray. i appreciate you being with us. thank you very much. sobering but i appreciate it. important to hear. >> up next, the president again threatening to send troops into a major american city. get reaction on the ground in seattle, which is the city he is talking about. also, what the chicago police department plans to do after a group of police officers are caught on camera lounging in a congressman's office on the south side of the city. the congressman says there was

nearby looting at the same time. the officers were drinking his coffee and chilling out. congressman said they were even eating his popcorn. talk to the mayor of chicago ahead. you can't predict the future.

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otherwise. he calls on him to use force or he will, he claims. >> we're not going to let this happen in seattle. if we have to go in, we're going to go in. the governors either going to do it. let the governor do it. he's got great national guard troops. one way or another, it's going to get done. these people are not going to occupy a major portion of a great city. >> cnn's dan simon is in seattle for us. dan, can you describe what is going on where you are? and explain to people what's actually happening? >> well, hi, anderson. it's a pretty remarkable scene out here. behind me is the seattle police station, that is essentially been overtaken by these protestors. you can see it's totally been defaced. look at the side where it says seattle people department, where it used to say the seattle police department. and you can see that the windows have been completely boarded up. let me explain, anderson, how this all came to pass. for several days, in the wake of george floyd's death, you had violent clashes between

protestors and police officers, here, in front of this department. and tear gas was deployed. it was not a pretty scene. so, the department made the calculated decision that they were going to try to deescalate things. and essentially, abandon the department. well, when that happened, you would protestors essentially flood the zone. and that's what you have today. you can see, behind me, all these protestors here. now, despite the fact that this all began with force, this, what you're seeing in front of me, is a peaceful situation. in fact, it sort of looks like a street festival. look behind me. you can see all these people in the street. there's food being served. there's a medical tent. people are camping out. there's live music at night. they're watching movies. so it's sort of a, you know, a contradictory situation. on the one hand, it began with force. but, right now, it's peaceful.

anderson. >> and if the president were to, quote, go in, as he's threatened, what -- i mean, what would the response be? i mean, can people come and go from this area? i mean, is this an area that has been -- i mean, the president makes it sound like this is an area that has been taken over, and is being ruled by, you know, somebody. you know, is being ruled by -- by -- i don't know how he would describe them. >> yeah. well, folks can certainly come and go. and this area has been, traditionally, a community, a neighborhood, where there's been a bastion of free speech and people have come to gather. now, if, in fact, there is going to be federal officers or federal law enforcement come to this area, it is not going to be a pretty situation. these people have made it clear that unless there's some kind of major reform, and remember they want to see this police

department defunded or even abolished. short of some type of major concession, they're not going to leave voluntarily. and we should point out that washington is an open-carry state. and, no doubt, some of these protestors are armed, anderson. so you have to worry about the potential for bloodshed. the potential for violence if, in fact, they are going to try to remove these people by force. >> dan simon. thanks. now to chicago allegation of police misconduct caught on camera. this isn't an arrest video. take a look. the mayor of chicago says up to 13 police officers, including three supervisors were caught hanging out in congressman bobby rush's office last week, as nearby businesses were being looted. here's what the congressman said about the officers at a press conference this afternoon. >> they had the unmitigated gall to go make coffee for themselves

and to pop popcorn, my popcorn, in my microwave. while looters were tearing apart businesses. within their sight, within their reach. >> so the mayor of chicago, there, standing next to congressman rush and the mayor of chicago lori lightfight joins us now. how did this happen? >> you know, it's really quite mind boggling. and it's almost impossible to believe that it's true. but yet, we have five hours of videotape documenting exactly what happened. earlier in the day, looting started in a strip mall. the congressman's campaign office was broken into. and then, in the early morning hours, these police officers apparently decided to help themselves. started out with a small group. and then, grew, over time, to 13

officers, including three, what we call, white shirts. meaning three supervisors. it's one of the most disgraceful, disrespectful things that i've ever seen. and we are absolutely not going to tolerate it. >> you know, regardless of the -- the -- what may happen to each of these officers, just in general, one of the big questions about reforming police departments is -- is disciplining. how officers are disciplined and whether or not they can be disciplined, what actually happens to them. how difficult is it -- i mean, you said, you know, this is -- going to do something about this. what can you actually do? how difficult is it, actually, to discipline police officers? >> well, it's not difficult. they do have extraordinary due process rights, which is in and of itself, a problem that we've got to fix. we've got to start by licensing

police officers. i had called for that today. we got to change state laws so that we have a baseline of conduct that's acceptable. and that we eliminate the problem of so-called pass the trash, where an officer gets disgraced, gets fired. and then, he just moves down the road to the next town. we got to make sure that never becomes a possibility again. we've got to make sure that we really hit them where it hurts. and make sure that if you have been convicted of a crime, if you resign under investigation, you lose your pension. that should just be automatic. we have notorious police officers here, john burge, and others, who have done horrible things. cost the city, literally, hundreds of millions of dollars. and yet, john burge, one of the most notorious police torturers probably in the united states, he died collecting his pension. so it's all about the will and really seizing this moment, to take on the police contracts and

other things that are an impediment to reform and accountability. and i am determined, in partnership with people of good will and my city and my state, to use this moment as an opportunity to turn things arou around. and really move in a completely different direction on policing. >> do you ever see or hear police unions policing themselves? police unions saying, you know what, actually, here's a bad apple. we've identified a bad apple and we're concerned because it reflects badly on the rest of the police force. has that ever happened? >> it happens so rarely, i have actually seen it. when i worked for the police department, back in of the early 2000s. but it's very rare. even today, literally, the officers were, through their various contacts, were trying to say congressman actually invited us in and he is lying now. bobby rush is a former black panther. he didn't invite the police into

his office. and the fact that they would even say that -- and even assuming that was true, it -- five hours when, literally, murder and mayhem is happening everywhere. police officers are getting the crap beaten out of them. there were ten ones being called. that's an officer distress. and you take a siesta for five hours? it's outrageous. and the fact that, even in this moment, as shameful as this conduct is, there are people who are literally saying, making excuses, and saying we're being too harsh. no, no, no. we have not been too harsh. you can be supportive of people who do their job, the right way, and still hold the bad ones accountable. that's what has to happen. >> mayor lori lightfoot, appreciate your time. thank you. louisville, kentucky, passes breonna's law. the mother of breonna taylor

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tonight one american city has unanimously voted to end no-knock warrants. calling it breonna's law it comes after the death of a young african-american woman and as questions remain about why police entered her home in the middle of the night, shot her at least eight times. breonna taylor was an emt in louisville, kentucky. in march police used a no-knock warrant to forcefully enter their home. the officers say they announced their presence. taylor's family say they did not. taylor's boyfriend fired shots. he says he didn't know who these plain clothes officers were, that they hadn't identified themselves. police fired back, killing taylor. since then the officers plus another who filed for the warrant have been reassigned. tonight the city council not only banned no-knock warrants but also regulated the use of search warrants and body cameras. on wednesday a mostly blank incident report was else ared tie local newspaper. under injuries the report said none. again, she was shot at least eight times. she was killed. before air i spoke with breonna's mother, tamika palmer,

and family attorneys lanita baker and benjamin crump. >> miss palmer, first of all, i am so sorry for your loss. what do you make of what's happening in america right now? what do you think breonna would make of what's happening? >> she would be amazed to see the world changing. >> and have you heard, miss palmer, from the city or the police department in louisville at all or in any sort of meaningful way? because it's been almost three months and my understanding is those officers, they're still on the job. of. >> yes, they are. the police department, no. but there's other people in the city. >> mr. crump, in breonna's case, the three officers involved here, they have not faced any charges. they're still working for louisville police department.

they're on administrative leave. does that make any sense to you? i mean, it's been nearly three months. >> anderson, it makes no sense at all when you consider how they violated their policies and procedures and furthermore the police report that came out yesterday just was void of anything that made sense when they erroneously put on the police report that there were no injuries in the execution of this search warrant when breonna taylor was killed. furthermore, they said there was no forced entry, and we know that is a lie because they used a battering ram to bust open the front door, never identifying themselves, and being in plain clothes, anderson. so how was breonna and kenny parker, her boyfriend, to know who was coming into their home, that it was the police and not some home invasion?

>> ms. baker, i know you're fighting to get a new law passed called breonna's law that would ban no-knock warrants, which as mr. crumb was saying that's what the police used on the night breonna was killed. where does that stand right now? >> well, it's up for a full vote tonight. i am encouraged that it will pass. we have bipartisan support of breonna's law at the metro council. it will not only ban no-knock warrants, it will also require officers to wear body cameras during the execution of these search warrants -- not only wear them but also activate their body cameras because that's one of the issues we also see. so we are encouraged that it will pass. and once it's passed in louisville we hope to see it pass around the country as well. >> miss palmer, i know it was breonna's 27th birthday last friday. and i know you said you haven't had time to grieve. i can't imagine what these last

almost three months have been like for you. what do you want people to know about breonna? what was she like? >> just that she was -- she was loving and caring and she loved to help people, she loved to be around family. everybody loved her. her co-workers, her friends. her family. she just was full of life. she was so full of life. >> it's interesting you use ha expression full of life because when i was looking at pictures of her sxault pictures i've seen of her she's got this smile and this joyful -- just a joyful kind of countenance about her. she really just jumps off the page in photographs. i mean, it must have been -- i kind of -- just looking at her picture you get a sense of the personality she must have had in life. >> definitely. she had an old soul.

she was just -- yeah. she loved to smile. she loved to just be this person. she had a vibe out of this world. like you couldn't ask for a better child at all. >> anderson, as -- >> mr. crump -- yeah. go ahead. >> miss palmer told attorney baker and i, breonna was saving lives while she was living. and now with the passage of the breonna taylor law she will be saving lives forever. >> absolutely. >> tamika palmer, i'm just so sorry for all that you have gone through and are going through. and i hope you get justice and peace. thank you so much for being with us. and lonita baker and benjamin crump as well, thank you. >> thank you. >> just ahead on this busy night, more breaking news. the republican national committee has just announced the new city where they'll hold

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