here he was moments ago. >> so, that's an expression i've heard over the years. >> do you know where it comes from? >> i think philadelphia, the mayor of philadelphia. >> 1967, i was about 18 months old at the time. everybody would probably shoot me if i got it wrong. the chief of police in miami was cracking down. he said i don't care if it looks like brutality, i'm going to crack down. that frightened a lot of people when you said that. >> it also comes from a very tough mayor, who, in my opinion, mayor of philadelphia, named frank rizzo. and he had an expression like this. yvl i think it's been used many times. it means two ning things. very different things. >> and while trump's promising

executive action on law enforcement, he continues to make threats about using the military against protesters. he quashed a conversation about renaming u.s. military bases named after confederate journals. and now we're learning what many suspected, that this is a strategy. it's on purpose. sorlss say president trump is convinced the racial war are still a winner for him in 2020. multiple other advisors have urged the president to unify the nation, with warnings he risks erasing support he got from a small fraction of voters. but say the president does not want to appear conciliatory or weak. we're joined by our cnn law enforcement analyst, and former philadelphia police commissioner, charles ramsey. gloria, to you first. this is what we're learning. it's on purposes. not just a strategy, although it

may be an impulse. >> i think it's both. i think this is a president who sees any call for unity as weak. he keeps using the word "dominate." he sees his strength, he believes, is in calling for the use of force. against citizen whose are protesting. and i think that, at this point, he's stuck in a time warp. this is a president talking about frank rizzo. he's talking about the 1960s. he's kind of stuck in the nixonian call for law and order. without understanding that, in fact, the country has changed flaum 1960s. look at that protests and how they've changed from the 1960s and how diverse these protests are. but the president is uncomfortable, or perhaps unable, i believe, to call for a

kind of unity. when you see those protests out there, because he believes that would somehow present weakness on his part, rather than strength, as a leader. >> charles, what do you think about this strategy of his? >> well, first of all, looting, as bad as it looks, is a property crime. and deadly force is not authorized against people committing a property crime. is certainly unacceptable. it sends a terrible message. everything can't be dealt with force. it shouldent be. take you back to the clearing of lafayette square in lafayette park. i served nine years as police chief in washington d.c. we never had to go to that extreme. not that we handled everything perfectly. but what i saw occur is a result of the federal police, along

with national guard, clearing that park was totally unacceptable and unjustified, in my opinion. those kind of things make simp situations worse, not better. and i thik the president is off base when he thinks that way. maybe it's because he's never been out there to deal with these kinds of things. but through experience i can tell you force will be met with force. and then you wind up with a riot. >> the president also weighed in on the use of police chokeholds, which were banned in new york today. and similar action in several other cities around the country. this is what he said. >> i don't like chokeholds. i will say this. as somebody that, you grow up and you wrestle and you fight, or you see what happens, sometimes, if you're alone and you're fighting somebody, it's tough. and you get somebody in a chokehold, you're going to say

oh, and it's a real bad person. and we have some real bad people. you saw that in the last couple of weeks. you saw very good people protesting. you saw bad people also. andio get somebody in a chokehold. what are you going to do? i got to let go. now, if you have two people -- or in the case we're talking about, four people, and two of them, i guess, pretty much started. a very tricky situation. so, the chokehold is good to talk about because, off the cuff t would sond like absolutely. but if you're thinking about it, you realize maybe there is a bad fight. and the officer gets somebody in a position -- >> so, you say it's a sliding scale, depending on what the circumstances are? do you want be in that conversation? >> i really am. and i think the concept of chokehold sountsds so innocent and pervict.

then you realize if it's one on one. now, if it's two on one, depending on the toughness and strength. there's a physical thing here also. but if a police officer is in a bad scuffle. >> if it's a one on one fight for the life. >> so, you have to be careful. with that being said, it would be, i think a very good thing, that generally speaking t should be ended. >> charles, from a law enforcement perspective, what do you make of the president's comments about chokeholds? >> he was all over the place, so i don't think i got quite what he was trying to say. let me just say this. i think chokeholds should be banned. having said that, you would never know if there are circumstances that would cause a person to have to resort to that to save their own life. but it should be treated the same as you would any use of

deadly force, because that is deadly force. that's exactly what it is and should be considered a use of deadly force. it would have to be an incredibly extreme circumstance. i would ban it and i think that's appropriate to ban it. so, what happened in minneapolis, there was no need for anything like that. i mean the person was in custody. and so, that's not anything to be used as a comparison. i think you're on the right track with banning chokeholds. and again, if there were circumstances, extremely rare circumstances, where a fight for your life, then it would be considered same as you would use of deadly force a firearm or something of that nature. it would be no different, in my mind. >> the president doesn't seem to want to take a position, really. >> it sort of reminds me, remember when he said there were fine people on both sides, this

is a president and nobody has forgotten that. this is a president who understands the political pressure on him to do something on police reform, not only from democrats, but in his own party. senator scott is taking the lead on that. so, he's get nothingternal pressure in the white house from those who say stiek law and order. you're right in talking about that. and those in the white house to say you have to do some kind of reform. so, as miss ramsey was saying he is all over the place on this because he knows he has to come down somewhere else. but his real comfort level is saying, you know, use of force, law and order. maybe chokeholds aren't that bad. >> gloria, thank you. great perspectives, you two and we'll see you soon.

alumni of westpoint are calling out their own who are working for president trump. they're accusing them of defying their most basic and important vows. a group of diverse graduates calling themselves the long grey line, which is a reference to westpoint said this quote. we are concern that fellow graduates serving in senior-level, public positions are failing to uphold their oath of office and their commitment and we ask you to join us in righting the wrongs and hold us to the ideals instilled by our alma mater and confirmed by each of us. mike pompeo is a west point grad who brought in two others from his class of 1986. mark esper, also attended west point. david urban, a senior advisor to the trump campaign also graduated as well from the u.s.

military academy. joining me now is one of the west point grads who wrote the letter. todd freedman graduated in 1987. and tell us about the decision to right this and how you and your fellow grads came to it. >> thanks for having me on. i was actually informed that the letter was being written. and it was done out of concern and love of country. it seems that there's been, for lack of a better term, behaviors that really don't support what we believe, not only while we're at the academy, but while we're in the amilitary. and we want to make sure that the current graduates -- and it was more out of concern that we're held to a higher standard. and to make sure that we are honest and truthful at all

times. >> what would you like to see these grads do? and i think of mike pompeo or secretary esper. what would you like to see them do? >> i think they've been put in very difficult situations. and unfortunately, sometimes in those difficult situations, they have to make the harder right decision than maybe the easier wrong. back at the academy, the honor code says a cudet will not lie, cheat, or steal, nor tolerate those who do. and that's ingrained in you. and unfortunately some of these leaders have been put in positions where they have to sacrifice probably being honest and truthful with what we used to say was kwibling or being in a grey area and not being completely honest and candid.

i think really all we're looking for is for these senior leaders and the folks in the administration to be honest and trustworthy. i think some of that has come to concern. >> i wonder do you worry, as you look at the state of the military and it is becoming politicized. the president has taken actions that have politicized it, using the military for socially-divisive causes, using them in the protests. he seems to have lost a lot -- or maybe never had support but has got a lot of criticism from retired top brass, even some who served in his own administration. and he's simultaneously making a play for the rank and file that tends to come from the south, as he's talking about we're not renaming these bases. do you worry about that fracture and what it could mean?

>> i think it goes down to the fundamental question of unification and respect and dignity. because if we look at westpoint or look at the military in general, you've gaurt a very diverse population. and in some cases, it's a cross section of america. so, you've got ethnicities, different religions. and there is going to be and needs to be that level of tolerance if you're go took be a leader of a lot of different types of soldiers. and america's not much different. we're a very diverse population. and i think what everybody's looking for is to make sure that everybody has equal rights, in that there's that level of respect out there. and the military should not be politicized. i think recently what the biggest problem has become is

the military has been pulled into some of these efforts that i think probably they should not be involved in. so, the military should remain nonpolitical, and that's really probably where most of the concern comes from. >> todd, frank you. todd freedman, who co wrote this letter from west point grads. >> thanks for your time. >> every week i work to bring you stories aimed at bridging the military divide. send your ideas or questions to me. homefront at cnn.com. for the first time we're hearing directly from the colleagues at the center of george floyd's death. plus the cdc issuing new warnings about big events, travel, and more surges in america.

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what the city does to respond to this. it was signed by police department sergeants and lieutenants, condemning the killing of george floyd, it accused derek chaven of stripping george floyd of his life. that's not who we are. we're told many more wanted to publicly get behind this, but they chose this group to show case a diverse group of police officers. they say internally this is sending a message. and said they will follow his lead on reforming the police department. and new, just over the past few hours, all 12 members passed a resolution that effectively launches the process of disbanding the police department, but that is going to be a lengthy process. this is just the first step in what will probably take years. >> definitely. thank you so much from that.

i want to bring you police officer, carol adams. >> thank you for having me. and i first want to get your reaction to this letter from the officers in the police department in minneapolis coming out and condemning the officer who's now charged with second degree murder. what do you think of it? >> i think that's awesome. that show whose they are as human beings. and the silence tends to lend that the actions were okay. and i can say i join the nation in condemning the actions that led to the death of george floyd. that shows the character of those officers. thats means they don't condone it and they want their city to know that and the residents they work with and for. that's an awesome step forward

for them to come forward and be as a team and unified, to express their feelings. >> officer adams, you've said that, as an african-american officer, you identify with both the protesters and the police. we've seen this play out with many police officers, right? on tv, we've seen videos of this, that they're in the same position. how do you work to reconcile them? >> i continue to do what i do in the community. seeing the video, brought a host of emotions to me. i was horrified, as the mother of a black male and furious of the betrayal and outraged about the citizens. and be my knight and shining armor and not my worst nightmare. the goal is to work with their

communities and show who they are as human being, not just behind the badge. and understand there's no such thing as police and community. because the world needs to know police officers aren't there. and as officers we spend more time in the citizens. so, that's what we need to get the message we need to get across and this is a tough time for me in policing. i said no it's not because the relationships i built and continue to build, they have a good foundation. and individuals know who i am and what i represent. so, the actions of one officer does not pred kate the actions of all. we have to continue to do the work and be honest and open and show where we stand. and we can't stand in silence. >> i want to ask you a question that a lot of people have been confronting lately. do you think that there is

systemic racism in policing? and if so, how does society, american society address this? >> yes, our profession has a history of racism. unfortunately, policing has operated with the us verses them mindset for hundreds of years, which has not created the opportunity for the needed change to occur across the board nationally. as you should be familiar with initiatives, such as the president's task force in the 21st century, was it enacted because of what happened in ferguson to provide guidance nationally to change the mindset of officers and community from warrior to guardian. and this was an attempt of community policing across the country. you see policing is at the heart of the criminal justice system. now is a time for criminal justice reform to occur through actions, not by written legislature, but through actions.

and that's going to have to happen for us to change the dynamics. you look at the demographics of police officers and then the demographics of those incarcerated. so, not just in the policing profession, but in others. so, we're working with antiquated systems and we need do an overall reform and create new systems. and i often tell people that we're still trying to drive the first car ford ever built and replace the parts, which we know there are no parts from the first car that was built. so, we need stop looking at doing things just the same way over and over again. and as we can see, it's not working. >> reinvent the wheel. officer carol adams with the richmond, virginia police department, thanks for joining us. we really enjoyed the conversation. >> thank you. cnn is going to be hosting a town hall this weekend.

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the cdc has issued new guidelines today. what are they saying? >> reporter: interacting with more people raises your risk. and don't serve family style, no high fives. if you're in a hotel, think of taking the stairs, not elevator. but there's a kicker, and it's crucial. as the cdc said themselves today these aren't commands. these are just suggestions. today in houston they're prepping to reopen, not more businesses, but maybe the field hospital. covid-19 hospitalization rates in texas just hit an all-time high. >> i'm growing increasingly concerned that we may be approaching the precipice of a disaster. >> reporter: oregon just slowed reopening due to an uptick in case count. and we travel to northwest arkansas to investigate an outbreak.

>> we're in the early days of the pandemic and if only 5 or 10% of the population has had this infection, we have a really long way to go, and it's not going to be easy. >> reporter: now case counts rising in 19 states. florida's average new case count is about double since june 1st. >> as you're testing more, you're going to find new cases. >> reporter: but admits outbreaks in farming communities. >> a small part is testing but it truly is an increase in cases. and part of that is because people are getting too close together wourt using their masks. >> reporter: and a new study says making masks mandatory april 17th, presented more than 76,000 infections over the following three weeks alone. the president doesn't wear one and the campaign is asking everyone to sign a waver saying

they won't sue if they catch covid-19. >> it's almost certain we will see super sputer events come from these rallies. and i fear when we start to do contract tracing, that will overwhelm the public health infrastructure. >> reporter: missouri will wave all restrictions next week. georgia will allow concerts and conventions july 1st. but many say the messaging on reopening must change. >> what we're hearing from the political leaders is that it's a one-way road. you go from total lockdown, to a little less, to everybody going to a baseball game. >> reporter: they say we must be prepared to dial back, if, when and wherever cases rise too high, too fast. so, here in los angeles today, zoos, museums, movie theaters can all reopen. but the mayor says they'll keep

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>> let me set the scene for you. i will warn you. it is disturbing video. this is the time to turn away. may 20th, 2019, oklahoma city. and they're confronting 22-year-old derrick scott in the middle of the day after they received 911 calls reporting a man pointing a gun at people. initially scott appears to comply, but then he turns and runs. here is the body cam video. >> get on the ground. >> okay. >> put your hands behind your back. >> get your hands out of your pocket.

>> give me. no. i'm going to tase you. >> i got this. >> okay. okay. >> you saw them, they tackle him and struggle to detain him. one of the officers appearing to pull his arm behind him and in the struggle, scott says "i can't breathe." one of the officers says "i don't care." several more times scott repeats "i can't breathe." and then the female officer notices he's not struggling or breathing and says he's acting unconscious. an officer finds a gun in his pocket and removes it from his pocket. and they continue to check on a now silent scott. they move him to recovery position. paramedics arrive and scott

appears to struggle with police again, they get him on a gurney too, the hospital and he dies about an hour later. the medical examiner determined there was no fatal trauma, as he put it, as the cause of death, but did outline contributing factors, such as he has asthma, and there were signs of methamphetamine in the toxicology report. there was an investigation done by the oklahoma district attorney. he put out a statement which reads in part, according the d.a., there was nothing inappropriate on the part of the officers, nor misconduct on the part of the officers. therefore, he cleared all officers of any criminal wrong doing. the family was not notified for four days. the reason the video is coming on now is because of the protests through black lives matter. and now we hear the infamous

plea, i can't breathe. >> martin savidge, thank you. just ahead, a woman asked mariam webster to change its definition of racism. and the dictionary responded. she will join us live. and ♪

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. the federal government has distributed more than $500 billion in tax-payer backed loans to small businesses impacted by the coronavirus pandemic. but now treasury secretary, steven mnuchin is refusing to detail where that money went. >> as it relates to the names and amounts of specific ppp loans, we believe that's proprietary information. and in many cases, for small businesses, is confidential information. >> okay. catherine rampal is joining me

now. cathline, there is already chaos over the initial rollout of this loan program. several large institutions received loans. this resulted in some of them giving money back. and initially the small business administration said it was going to release this information, be transparent. but now it's breaking that promise. so, how are we going to know who got the money and if they should have? >> that's an excellent question. this is more than half a trillion dollars of our money. we have a right to know how it is being spent, whether it's being used wisely and for the purposes congress laid out. there should be accountability and transparency of this size. and i would argue, especially in this administration, that has proven time and time again that it has no qualms of injecting

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kennedy mitchham didn't think anything would come of it. she emailed merriam-webster to update the definition of racism. a belief that race is the

primary determinate of human trait and capacities and that an inherent superiority of a race. well she emailed to let them know that definition is in adequate. and they responded and agreed to grant her request and kennedy mitchham is joining us now. and thank you for joining us. and i know you have a specific reason for doing this. but first, because we don't know the definition, what did you ask them to include in the definition? >> i asked them to include that racism not only is prejudice but it also includes certain social and institutional power that thatto -- that oppresses people of color. >> so more to the idea of there being systemic racial injustice. >> yes. >> and that is racism. so what led to you say i'm going to email merriam-webster. >> so i kept getting into little

feuds and people kept trying to disprove my point, what i was experiencing was racism, so i just had to email miriam webster because people kept using their definition to disprove it. they said, no, the definition of racism, it doesn't go hand in hand. that is not racism, what you're experiencing must be something else. so i had to reach out because they were misinforming people. >> and so what was the response from merriam-webster? >> after it was a lot of back and forth, i did have to fight but they did say they would change it to include more systemic aspects because that is very important and they would look into different research, different literature including what people of color have to say about the term before publishing it. >> and what do you hope comes of all of this, kennedy? >> i hope that there is a lot more conversation about what racism is truly, not just

blatant racism but covert racism that people do and people of color have to face on a daily basis so people could acknowledge their own privilege and just try to do better so we don't keep doing the same thing over and over again. and actually move forward this time. >> kennedy mitchham, it is amazing. you emailed them and you got a response back and forth and then a change. we'll be awaiting the new definition along with you. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> band aid is now answering the calls to be more representative of its customers. by offering bandages for different skin tones. the 100-year-old company posted pikes of the new bandages on instagram saying it is dedicated to inclusivity. band aid saying in a statement, quote, we're committed to launching a range of bandages in light, medium and deep shades. a brown and black skin tones. we stand in solidarity with our black colleagues in the fight

against racism, violence and injustice. and the company also promised to make a donation to black lives matter. our special coverage continues now with brooke baldwin. hi there, i'm brooke baldwin, you're watching cnn. thank you for being with me. as a the country deals with covid-19 and ongoing protests, cnn has learned that president trump is digging in on division in his bid to remain in the white house. sources familiar with his thinking tell us that trump remains convinced that his path to victory this november runs through the racially tinged culture wars that he stoked as both a candidate and as president, despite requests from advisers and others that he change his tone. this is happening as the white house grapples with a potential resurgence