may their memories be a blessing. thank very much for watching. i'll be back tomorrow. erin burnett "out front" starts right now. thank you, wolf. outfront next, protests growing at this hour as the president suggests abraham lincoln's legacy is question. plus just 14 when beaten by police because of the color of his skin. tonight the former police chief of detroit is telling his story. dr. anthony fauci with a new warning for americans tonight. let's go "out front." and good evening. i'm erin burnett. out front tonight the breaking news, protests across the country growing at this hour for the 18th night in the row as the president of the united states is missing the moment and the opportunity, instead dismissing the protesters who have been out there night after night after night. >> you have protesting also

because they just didn't know. i watch. i watch it very closely. why are you here? they really weren't able to say. >> their passion for change of course is evident and plenty of them are able to say. >> black lives matter! black lives matter! >> instead of responding to this, trump sending mixed messages about a brutal police tactic that protesters across the country have been calling to end, first saying generally speaking, choke holds should be banned. but then sort of going on and on and adding this. >> you get somebody in a choke hold and what are you going to do now? let go and say let's start over again? i'm not allowed to have you in a choke hold? it's a tough situation. >> it's not a tough call for 12 cities and municipalities including los angeles, new york, have moved to ban choke holds

perhaps because they know what law enforcement knows. from leadership and labor organizations including the fraternal order of police, these are extremely dangerous maneuvers that can result in serious bodily injury or death. so, the president not listening to protesters or police or his advisers, white house aides, friends in business, members of congress, all have been trying to tell him that he needs to change his tone, rise to meet the moment. but he seems to trust himself and no one else. his instincts he knows got him where he is and he thinks they will help him win again. he believes and he said, you'll hear him, that he has done more for the black community than any other president in american history. >> i think i've done more for the black community than any other president, and let's take a pass on abraham lincoln because he did good although it's always questionable, you know. in other words -- >> well, we are free, mr. president. he did pretty well.

>> you understand what i mean, so i'm going to take a pass on honest abe as we call him. >> pass on honest abe. wow. i want to go straight to shimon prokupecz. he's one of the protesters this friday. what's happening where you are tonight? >> reporter: so we're in brooklyn tonight, erin. the last few nights we've been on the show we've been in manhattan. we're in fort green brooklyn, several hundred marchers. we started at the barclay center which two weeks ago was the center of a lot of the protests and some of the tension with police. we're here now walking through the streets of fort green. and the idea that any of these protesters are going to let up any time soon. i think we're seeing a lot of different signs here that that's just not going to happen. they gathered here around 5:00 and they've been marching. and now they plan to perhaps head to manhattan where there are other protesters marching as

well. of course one of the things that happen at the barclay center, erin, just quickly, is that john b baptiste, the musician came out, played music. they were dancing and singing. but then he urged them to go out and keep fighting. then most importantly he said you've got to vote for change. so, that is what's been going on here in brooklyn, erin, and really no sign that at any time do these protesters indicate that they're going to let up at any point, erin. >> all right, shimon. thank you very much. as we said, this is the 18th night. and i want to go to kaitlan collin. she's at the white house. kaitlan, it is clear there are many around the president who recognize that his tone here isn't helping, that he could be acting very differently but he is not budging. >> reporter: no, he's not. and he's someone who has always believed that his instincts are better than the advice that he gets from his political advisers, and that's something he's relying on once again. the question here is is this

time different because you see the rest of the nation really moving in this other direction. nascar banning the confederate flag as the president is saying he won't rename the military bases that are named for confederate leaders. the nfl is apologizing. republicans even are saying we've got to do something on policing reform. and they are rushing to put some kind of legislation together. and the president just has seemed resistant to a lot of that. and it's not for a lack of trying on his advisers' part because we've spoke with several source who have said they've had moments where they try to get the president to meet the moment here because they are aware of the political calculus here and the concern is that the president is going to lose what inroads he had made with black voters and suburban women voters. ask they are looking at they are five months from the election. you see the president stoking these cultural wars that he did in 2016 because he believes in part that's a winning strategy. you saw today in the interview with fox news where the anchor

tried to talk to him about the meaning of the phrase when the looting starts the shooting starts. the the president tried to say it had a duel meaning, that he got it from somewhere else other than the racist police chief from miami in the 1960s. it's things like that that his political advisers are worried will not work out for him this time. time will tell, but when it comes to that legislation the white house has not said which police reforms it is they'll back. >> kaitlan, thank you. and i want to go to cedric alexander, former chief of police for dekalb county georgia and the former president of the organization of black organizations, gloria borger, and sanders, author of "my vanishing country." the president you heard said he's done more for african-americans than any other president perhaps including lincoln, saying he called what lincoln did, quote/unquote

questionable because of the quote end result. what do you hear there? >> first of all, i have to call it asinine and ignorant. we stand here today, the first field secretary of the naacp who was assassinated. i say that only to say that the president usually has no frame of historical reference and today is no different. i find it intellectually dishonest and a weird position that this president of the united states talks about that he's the best since lincoln giving lincoln a pass when in the same breath he will prop up confederate generals and those people who lost the war with northern aggression. i find myself having to chuckle. let me say this, erin, so viewers understand where my position is on this because i want to be extremely clear. i do feel like this is a different point in our history.

i think in spite of our president, not because of him. that's very important. the president sayitaying on the sidelines and saying nothing is better than him injecting himself in a dialogue he can't handle. >> gloria, the president does seem to be missing the moment again and again throughout this. >> yeah. >> we know a number of his close advisers. these are people on team trump, his aides, members of congress, business leaders. they have spoken out encouraging him to change his tone. he has not. he's refused to listen to them. why? >> well, i think he may be unable and he clearly is unwilling. this is a man, as we know, who's kind of living in a time warp. and he can't get out of it. and it's not only the '50s and the '60s but it's also going back to 2016 when he thought the culture wars were the most important thing to him and that's what sort of helped get

him over the finish line. he doesn't know how to turn around from that. he also is somebody who is most comfortable when he can punch, when he can find an enemy. and who's his enemy here? and he tried antifa. well, you know, the reports have shown this wasn't, you know, the looters weren't antifa. and can he make the protesters his enemy at this point when a majority of the american public says we agree with you? we're concerned about racism in this country. so, he doesn't have anyone to really punch at on this overall, and i think it's put him back on his heels. >> so, he punches abe lincoln in a bizarre moment. >> abe lincoln or joe biden or whoever. >> right. so, chief alexander, you heard the president on the choke holds. it was a very trumpian answer. it ended with oh he generally supports a ban but then went on and on in detail saying, you've

got somebody in a choke hold, are you going to do, let go and let's start over, i'm not allowed to have you in a choke hold, it's a tough situation. i'm quoting the president. you have major cities moving to ban them. should they be banned? >> yes, choke holds should be banned and i think there's no question about that if you ask any chief or sheriff across this country. everybody is moving away from it and many departments have already moved away from it. let me say this in regards to that. there are always going to be extenuating circumstances, but regardless of what those extenuating circumstances are, you better be able to articulate them to an investigative body and to a district attorney. but the most important thing here to keep in mind is that choke holds, need to divert from that to the right or left. they need to be banned period.

we can't take a middle of the road approach. you have to say we're going to ban them and ban them. if there's an extenuating circumstance, that officer has to articulate that the same way he would using deadly force using his or her weapon. the whole point to keep in mind is that we must move towards not having choke holds part of any policies in policing across this country at a local, state, federal or tribal level. it's time for many other techniques that we can train our police officers to do and make sure that they're protected because we do want them to be able to protect us and protect -- >> which i think is a really important point. you're not saying officers are going to be put in more harm's way. this is something that would prevent people from getting seriously injured or killed and also therefore protect officers. they have other ways to accomplish, you know, restraining someone. >> absolutely. absolutely. >> but, you heard the president talk about the protesters don't

know why they're there. he said them and i quote, a lot of them are there because they're following the crowd. are people really out marching right now just because, you know, other people are out marching? >> i mean, you know, erin, i try not to get into -- you mow, my father has this saying that you don't argue with fools because people watching can't tell the difference. it's an age-old southern saying. and i try not to get in these back and forths with the president of the united states because it's clear he doesn't understand the pain and trauma that's associated with this experience, one we're highlighting in america. if i was allowed to speak to the president, you know, i'm blocked on twitter by the president of the united states, i would just simply tell him that what he's seeing is not because of george floyd, because of ahmaud arbery, not because of breonna taylor, not because of david mcatee,

it's because of all these things and the systemic racism that black folk have faced in this country. no one is out there marching to follow somebody else. we're out there marching literally for our lives. and my daughter is 15 years old, mr. president. i don't know if you're watching "the erin burnett show" right now but she was marching and she had a sign that said black lives matter and i wish she didn't have to reaffirm her identity at a march. here we are black kids having black lives matter. that's why people are marches, mr. president. >> thank you all so very much. next a man who pleaded for his life saying he couldn't breathe. >> okay. >> get your hands behind your back. >> get your hands out of your pockets. >> a woman who won the fight to get that video released is out front next. plus the cdc predicts 16,000 coronavirus deaths in the united states in the next three weeks

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lucy kafanov is "out front" tonight. what are you seeing right now? >> reporter: there's a couple hundred people. they've been marching around the streets but have now converged on the minneapolis police and fire union headquarters. a lot of anger towards bob parole, the president of the police union here, a lot of anger at the system. the protesters here do not feel like justice has been served in the case of george floyd. there were a lot of signs in the streets calling to defund and disband the police. on that note today the city council of minneapolis unanimously passed a resolution to create an alternate policing model to move forward with defunding the police. but this is going to be a first step in what's going to be a very, very long process. we also do not have the mayor stepping up in support of this, neither the police chief. they are calling for reforms but want reforms within the existing

system. also today there's a special session of the local legislature, the state legislature, they are going to be considering a slew of proposals by the governor to reform the way that policing is done to put a ban on things like choke holds, controversial war-style tactics, and to empower social services representatives to sort of work in tandem with police in order to respond to issues on the street. >> thank you very much. as we said, lucy's in minneapolis live tonight. another police incident caught on tape is coming out. this is out of oklahoma city where video shows another african-american man who died shortly after screaming, i can't breathe in the moments officer wrs pinning him to the ground, an officer responding i don't care. this is released from derek scott from more than one year ago. it is important for you to see it for the conversation, but it is disturbing. >> hey, get on the ground.

>> he's running east. >> i can't breathe. >> i don't care. >> get your hands behind your back. >> get your hands out of your pocket. >> i'm going to taze you. >> give me your hand. give me your hand. >> i can't breathe. >> stop resisting. >> i can't breathe. >> okay. give me your hand. >> i can't breathe. >> scott was dead just an hour later. martin savidge is out front. martin, we said this happened about a year ago. why are we first seeing this video now, and what is the status of the officers that we see in the video? >> all right. i'll get you the answers the in just a second. i want to point out a couple of things. this occurred on may 20th of 2019. so, as you say over a year ago. it's 1:40, broad daylight.

police received a report of a man with a gun in a parking lot. derek scott is the man they confront and you saw the chase. you heard him several times say i can't breathe, i can't breathe. there's another moment he goes into unconsciousness and a police officer recognizes that moment but then says he's acting like he's unconscious. one officer removes a gun from his pocket. more than 8 minutes after the struggle, officers continue to check on a very silent scott. they rolled him over into a recovery position, they're worried about him. nine minutes later paramedics arrive. he appears to revive. they get him in an ambulance but as you point out he is dead in a hospital less than an hour ago. the medical examiner determines the cause of death was undetermined. however, physical restraint was considered a contributing factor

as was the fact he had asthma and had used methamphetamine recently. lastly to your question, the oklahoma county district attorney investigated this case and essentially through a statement through the oklahoma city police department said according to d.a. david operator there was nothing inappropriate on the part of the officers, therefore he cleared all individual officers of any criminal wrong doing. the reason it comes out now, black lives matter protested and demanded that this video be made public, erin. >> martin, thank you very much. as martin says the reason this is out is because the founder of black lives matters in oklahoma fought for it tirelessly. and that founder of black lives matter oklahoma city chapter reverend dickerson is with me now. i appreciate your time. you worked on getting this video released for more than a year. tell me about why and what is

your reaction now that -- when you first saw it? >> actually i had been privy to some of the footage prior to it being released to the public and especially prior being released to the family. and that was my primary goal was to be in service of the scott family because i knew they had a right to be able to understand and be aware of what happened to mr. scott. >> so, you know, it wasn't easy for you to get this out for everyone to see which is now in the national conversation. we see the conclusion from the police there was that nothing wrong happened. we hear scott say multiple times he can't breathe in the video. here again, reverend, is one of those exchanges. >> i can't breathe. >> i don't care. >> and even after scott is silent and appears to be unconscious, we hear him being

accused of faking it on multiple occasions like these. >> he's acting like he's unconscious. >> we found a gun, so he decided he was unconscious. >> he may not be faking but -- >> the officers as i said were cleared of any wrong doing. what's your reaction to that? >> the officers were cleared of any wrong doing apparently based on the protocol and policy of the oklahoma city police department. and that is one of the reasons why we know that the policies and the procedures have to be changed because what we saw was total disrespect and disregard for the humanity of mr. scott. and i don't know how you try that. i don't know what is in a curricula, and i don't know what comes with de-escalation. what we witnessed was a murder.

>> now, unlike george floyd, you know, in this situation, mr. scott did have a gun. the video does show him trying to run away from police at one point. but obviously once they have him and restrain him and he can't breathe, it's clear he's not able to reach for that weapon. but do any of these facts change anything from your point of view? >> the facts are is that black lives matter and that mr. scott's life matters and that the officers on the scene, some of them forgot that, or as they said they did not care. and so they are trained to be able to respond. their job is to protect and serve. they did not protect the life of mr. scott even in that incident. they are supposed to be able to respond and act appropriately, use appropriate force, if

necessary. but too many times, especially here in oklahoma, the result ends up the same, and i have to look in the family's eyes and say, i'm sorry, i don't understand. >> all right, reverend, i appreciate your time. thank you very much. >> thank you. and next, mixed messages, the cdc urging americans again to wear masks. it projects another 16,000 people will die in this country of coronavirus by july 4th. so, why was this the scene in pennsylvania today? plus warning signs for the president from a key swing state tonight. >> as a people and we need a leader, a world leader, a national world leader, that's going to help us do that, not poke the bear. >> she's a republican. she voted for trump in 2016. few claritin cool mint chewables.

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breaking news, dr. anthony fauci moments ago with a new warning for americans.

>> if you leapfrog over different phases, you increase the risk that you're going to have the kind of resurgences that we're seeing in certain of the states. >> has the united states stalled in the fight against coronavirus? >> well, i'm not so sure we can say it's stalled, but what we're seeing right now is something obviously that's disturbing. >> something obviously that is disturbing. and fauci's warning as the cdc is projecting another 16,000 deaths in the next three weeks alone. erica hill is "out front." >> reopening on pause as new cases mount. >> as long as we give the virus an opportunity to jump from one host to another, that's what it's going to do. >> reporter: the governor of texas looking to july 4th for a full reopening of his state as harris county which includes houston, records some of its highest numbers to date for new cases and hospitalizations. >> we've got to take action now

so that we avoid a shutdown in the future. >> reporter: houston's energy stadium being prepped as a field hospital just in case. 19 states are trending up in the past week. texas, florida, and south carolina posting single-day records as the cdc predicts 130,000 virus-related deaths by july 4th. >> if we're in the early days of the pandemic and if only 5 or 10% of the population has had the infection, we have a really long way to go. >> the agency recommending keep your distance, avoid travel, and wear a mask. >> i know it's become politicized. put that aside. the virus knows no politics. >> reporter: face coverings required in l.a. county which moved into phase three today after recording its highest single-day increase this week. gyms, day camps, and tv and field production among the businesses reopening. missouri will fully reopen next

week. concerts and conventions can resume in georgia july 1st. ♪ meantime, anyone attending the president's campaign rally next week in tulsa must sign a waiver promising not to sue if they contract the virus. >> we know that the types of conditions that lead to the highest rate of covid-19 transmission are crowded indoor spaces with a lot of people who are shouting and screaming, and i think it's almost certain that we will see superspreader events come from these rallies. >> reporter: in terms of those rallies, the cdc did put out these guidelines again on friday. and they were asked about the guidelines for high risk large gatherings which include ones where you can't socially distance, where people may come from out of state, whether there was guidance for rallies. the reporters were told on the call that this was guidance for

all gatherings, anything bigger than a backyard barbecue. >> thank you, erica. i want to bring in dr. john reiner, a member of the "out front" medical team. another 16,000 deaths, case counts. is this the original wave and more testing or is this the beginning of a resurgence? >> no, this is the first wave. we haven't been -- we're not out of the first wave. if you look at the data for the last month, the moving seven-day average of new cases has been basically pegged at 20,000. every single day there are 20,000 new cases in the united states, and deaths for at least the last week have been plateaued at 900. so, if you move forward three weeks and you do the math, 900 cases a day is about another 18,000 cases. and that takes us to about

132,000 deaths by july 1st. we are very much still in the first wave. >> so, okay. so, then, in other words anything that is coming as a result of reopening we have not yet seen is what you're basically saying, right? so, if there's an impact from that, that's not yet there. >> look, in a state like arizona which had relatively few cases at the outset, we've seen a steady increase in cases over the last month, so we're not seeing a resurgence in arizona, we're seeing arizona not yet peak. in other places, we're starting to see perhaps small hints of resurgence. it's different from place to place in this country. >> so, you know, this comes as you heard dr. fauci say what he's saying is disturbing in that interview with wolf. a new studies say the most effective way to stop person to person spread is what we know and the experts and the white house team have told us is by wearing a mask.

they've called it a vaccine. it could be almost as effective as a vaccine in term of herd munt. the president doesn't wear one. the vice president visited a diner in pennsylvania today. let me show you. hardly any masks, no social distancing. i mean -- and obviously plenty of these people that you can see are older. the secret service i think is the only guy wearing a mask. >> yeah. >> what is going on here, dr. reiner? >> the white house has really an irreconcilable conflict of interest. the president is running for re-election and they have to pretend that we're moving back to normal. and if the president or vice president is seen wearing a mask in public, that looks decidedly abnormal. it's a conflict of interest. how dare the president or the vice president go into a crowd and not promote the use of masks. we saw a photo from the vice president at trump/pence headquarters with dozens of

people crowded shoulder to shoulder, no one wearing a mask. that's how you kill people in this country. all right. a mask is like a vaccine. why would you not promote the use of masks? >> it makes no sense. even if vice president pence had been tested, even if everyone in the room wassest theed you're trying to send a message that there's no problem. i don't have any indication they were. plus the tests themselves are inaccurate. plus the president's planned to hold campaign rallies in five states, high case counts, cdc warning large gathers are how these things spread. what do you say about the campaign rallies? you have to sign a waiver saying if you get coronavirus from a trump campaign and something happens to you, you can't sue donald j. trump. that's what it says. >> yeah. i think if the risk is low and if it's safe to gather in large numbers at a political rally i would just challenge the president to drop that disclaimer, drop that proviso to

the attendees. assume risk. why is the president asking attendees to assume a risk? look, the cdc today issued guidance on large gatherings, and they warned about it. tulsa is a place which actually today had a record number of cases. so, the president is holding a rally in a hot zone. that's how you propagate the pandemic. >> if he says it's not a problem and not a risk, he doesn't wear a mask, then he should be fine with people coming. >> drop the disclaimer. >> drop the disclaimer. all right. dr. reiner, thank you very much. and next, independent voters in the critical red state of arizona say the past few weeks could mark a turning point. >> we'll support biden not because we agree with him on issues but he's a decent, kind, sane man. plus he was beaten up by

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we are not at home in our party. those words from a republican couple from arizona. after two weeks from widespread protests across the country after the death of george floyd. it's a key swing state. >> reporter: in the republican strong hold of the north phoenix suburbs, signs of a split. >> we're not home in our party. we're not democrats. we don't have anywhere to go. >> reporter: so self-proclaimed independents went to a street corner to hold their own small

protest that hasn't been taken great. there are frequent obscene gestures, but some supportive ones. >> i think the last three to six weeks have been a turning point. >> reporter: the coronavirus pandemic, historic unemployment, and the sustained nationwide protests after the death of george floyd. >> all these things together are allowing a few people to have the moral courage to speak up. we'll support biden not because we agree with him on issues, most issues i don't agree with him on. i'm not a democrat philosophically. but he's a decent, kind, sane man. ♪ god bless the usa >> reporter: the shift is a warning sign for the president. donald trump narrowly won independents. he's trailing joe biden among that group, a trend mirrored

here in arizona. these suburbs are the battlefield in the fight for those votes. >> black lives matter. >> hunter henderson protesting nightly seeing an opportunity with independents. he works with vets forward, a group that hopes to convince moderates to vote democratic. >> the problems of our society are right in front of them now and now is the time to really capitalize and have those conversations. >> yes, i voted for trump in 2016, but many republicans who did vote for trump don't feel comfortable even saying that because of this polarization. >> cheryl cons is a self-described moderate and a nurse working the front lines of the phoenix covid crisis. it's not her job having her think about voting democratic. it's the protests. >> we have to come together as a people, and we need a leader, a world leader, national world leader that's going to help us do that, not poke the bear, if

you will. >> reporter: as far as voting republican in november -- what are you going to do? >> i honestly don't know yet. >> reporter: would you say it's too late for you? >> no, i wouldn't. >> reporter: so, how can president trump then assure that he will get cheryl coons' vote? she would like to see less tweeting, more empathy, more unity from the president. is it too late to reverse course from where the president is at? there's 144 days before the election. >> it's incredible to put it in those terms, how close we are. thank you. and next he vowed to become a police officer when he was 14 years old after officers beat him up because of the color of his skin. the former police chief is out front. plus trump calls them anarchists, protesters taking over a section of the city abandoned by police. it is a stand off and we're

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you're looking a the live pictures out of new york and miami, protests going across the country nearly three weeks after george floyd's death. it comes as a form are police chief shares his own experience with systemic racism. the police chief said he was walking home from school when four white police officers through hill out of the car and beat him. he said the more i screamed, the more they beat me. he said i promised myself that i would become a detroit police officer and change the police from the inside. and that he did eight years later. chief, it's a pretty incredible story here. you know, when you look at your past and then you see this video of george floyd's arrest and death, what do you think? does it make you feel that

little has changed since you had that encounter with police? >> well, erin, when i saw the video, the first thing i thought about in reality is that could have been me because this was 50-some years ago and i was this young boy who was rudely beat up by the police. certainly there were no cameras. i wish there had been. and i said, my god, this is 50 some years later and this happened to me and this is happening to him. thank god i'm still alive, but certainly there are some great people who are not like those people. but it's still there in some areas. and the systemic racism that we see and we hear about throughout the police department, throughout this country, are still there. >> so you write about the racism that you experienced from your own fellow officers after you joined the police force. tell me about that. >> erin, i joined the detroit

police department august 2nd, 1965. my first day as a detroit police officer i walked into the squad room and as they had roll call, i was the only person of color there. but as they had roll call and they announced my assignment was a white officer, he said i'm working with the -- and he said the "n" word. this man rode with me for eight hours and i rode with him and he did not say a word. that appeared to be the norm. there were some great people. in fact, an officer i met i'm still friends with, frank mitchell. he's a white officer. but that was the norm with me and other officers of color. >> so let me ask you, when you have that experience as a 14-year-old, there's something incredible about you, i suppose, that your reaction is i'm going to join them and i'm going to change it. your first day on the force you go in and someone calls you the "n" word and yet you persevered

and you became the police chief. how did you do that? how did that happen to you? >> i had to persevere because i had lived through the time of emma till, through rosa parks, dr. king. and i listened to what people had said, in particular my father and strong people who had given me the drive to do better. and i said i cannot let this happen to me. i can't leave because it's important for me to do the best that i can with all that i can to make a difference with not on this department but certainly the city. and it was a drive for me to do this. i think if you talk to my sons, i have two sons, jeff and jason, and they will tell you the same thing, that dad's got this drive and he's passed it on to them. that's why i couldn't believe. in spite of -- you could not believe the things that were said. it was almost every day that someone would use the "n" word

as they described people. it was so disrespectful not only to me but also the people they stopped on the street. >> so it happened to you when you were police chief. you were pulled over by one of your officers because he thought your car was stolen. what was that interaction like with that officer? did you have a conversation with him? did you ever put this on the table, this -- or was it unsaid? >> well, i was driving my unmarked police car and everybody knows that i'm the unmarked police car in detroit. i was driving and this officer pulled me over. one of the things that's most important as you stop someone on the street is you look them in the face. this officer came up to the car, did not look me in the face. he said "do you have your driver's license and registration?" i said, yes, officer, i do.

what's more crazy is that i took my wallet out and i had my badge hanging there. so i handed him my driver's license and registration and he walked back to his car. i'm waiting. i'm look into the rear view mirror. as he recognized and realized that this is different and he realized who i was, he came back to the car and he said oh, and he said, s and he said, oh, sir, i'm so sorry, i didn't know it was you. and, erin, i chastised him in terms of what he had done in terms of not looking at me but why did you stop me? and he said i thought it was a stolen car. it was a detroit police unmarked vehicle. so it was still there, you know. but i chastised him. i gave him a reprimand and told him these are things that you just don't do because you're here to serve and protect the people of the city of detroit

and not pick on people. >> yeah. well, i sure hope you made a difference with him and by speaking out now that you can make a difference for many others. i appreciate your time, chief. thank you so much. >> thank you so much. it's a pleasure. >> also tonight president trump calls the response an anarchy takeover. they've declared an autonomous zone. what is going on in the capitol hill autonomous zone as it now called? dan simon is ensidinside. >> this is the capitol hill autonomous zone, chaz for sure. officers effectively abandoned their station. on thursday president trump threatened to intervene, tweeting to washington governor

jay inslee and the seattle governor to take back the city now or he would. and the mayor is pushing back. >> it's more like a block party atmosphere. it's not an armed takeover, it's not a military junta. >> leaving was not my decision. >> reporter: though notle kai c the mayor out by name, it's clear the two are not on the same page. >> the city had other plans for the building and relented to severe public pressure. i'm angry about how this all came about. >> reporter: protesters say they won't be intimidated by threats and plan to stay as long as it takes to bring about change. >> i'm not scared of donald trump. we're going to stay outside this building whether they come here or not. we're going to take this building over whether they're outside threatening us or not. we're not afraid of them. >> reporter: among the protesters' demands, that the department be defunded and the

station be turned into a community center. one seattle police officer candidly saying the department has made mistakes. >> we want to dialogue, we want to communicate, right? but the public is so angry at us, how do we start that? how do we do better? people expect better. we need to be better. >> reporter: as for when the standoff might end, the mayor hasn't indicated saying the city could have what she calls the summer of love, prompting another fiery tweet from the president. "these liberal dems don't have a crew, they pillage our city and think this is just wonderful, even the death. must end this seattle takeover now!" . >> they're going to get back into their building to get their stuff out. i don't see them getting back in after that. >> reporter: everything has been peaceful and you continue to

have this street festival-like situation. there's no strategy as to how or when officers will retake that stati station. >> thank you very much. chris cuomo is taking it over now. >> erin, thank you very. coop is off. won k welcome to an expanded edition of "primetime". while the need for leadership is very great, we may be better off if president trump just stays out of both. he has made people think masks are a sign of weakness, as cases pop up around the country and he has no answer. and now after saying we must pay great care to not call too many people racists, he made this mess of a message about choke