welcome to an expanded edition of primetime. protests and a pandemic. both, still very much in full effect. both, testing our commitment to each other. one demands that we come together. the other, that we do our best to stay apart. and while the need for leadership is very great, we may

be better off, if president trump just stays out of both. he has made people think masks are a sign of weakness, as cases pop up around the country and he has no answer. and now, after saying we must pay great care to not call too many people racists, he made this mess of a message about chokeholds. >> i think the concept of chokeholds sounds so innocent, so perfect. and then, you realize, if it's a one on one -- now, if it's a two on one, that's a little bit of a different story. depending on toughness and strength, we are talking about toughness and strength. there is a physical thing here, also. with that being said, i think it would be a very good thing that, generally speak, it should be ended. >> you know what he is talking about? i have no clue. let's ask jim acosta at the white house. he is obviously riffing, there. a chokehold sounds innocent. is there any direction, from the white house, about where he's trying to go with this?

>> not really, and as you noticed, chris, the president kind of danced around the question. he said that, in some cases, chokeholds are, quote, perfect. but, in other cases, not so much. and that he feels that, perhaps, they should be banned. he didn't really give a definitive answer there. we have been waiting for definitive answers on a whole slew of questions about these police brutality issues over the last several days. the president hasn't been taking questions from white house reporters. he took some questions from fox news. but there is no clear where the president is heading on all of this. he is giving the commencement speech at west point tomorrow. and perhaps, he'll have more to say about where he plans to lead the country in the coming days on all of this. you know, chris, they're making some major preparations for this commencement speech tomorrow. told by a senior administration official that the secretary of defense, mark esper, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, mark milley, they will not be in attendance for that. they say that's been the plan

all along, and they'll be leaving taped messages for the cadets there, who are graduating. but, you know, one thing that we have not gotten a sense of, at this point, is to any clarity from this administration on where he stands, where the president stands, on these police brutality issues. he was speaking to people at a mega church in dallas last night. he seems to want to continue down this road of dividing the country. putting one group of americans, against another. but as you see, in all these polls, chris, there is a groundswell of support out there for these protestors. and there is a recognition, it seems, according to a lot of this polling, that something needs to change. and the president seems to be pulled along or, you know, kicking and screaming by the rest of the country in all this. >> that's why he likes seattle. seattle allows him an opportunity to define this as more of a radical, left issue and weakness versus strength. but this west point address, i think, is an underrated moment for this president, jim.

we all hear what's going on behind you. we know the city is alive with people still on the streets calling for change. we get it. the idea of what he'll say is very, very sensitive. because the military's been coming after him. will he take that up with these cadets? you know, the idea of what strength is. will he take that up in a military setting? you know, will he have a message about what's going on? will it be written for him? will he go off of it? this is an opportunity for him, that could very, very easily, take him in one of two directions and very far down a road of making things worse. or, maybe, starting to inch back towards better. >> absolutely, chris. and remember, this is a president who has been at odds with military leaders over the last several days. chairman of the joint chiefs, mark milley, just told graduates of national defense university that he regrets being part of that photo op at the church, just across the street from

where we are right now. you can hear people celebrating in the park. it's been more of a street festival over the last couple days, chris, than anything else. but you're right. keep in mind, it's not just the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. former defense secretary, general jim mattis. he wrote that scathing op-ed, sharply criticizing the president. essentially, accusing him of being opposed to american values, of democracy, and respect for other points of view. and this idea that the military should not be involved in domestic politics. that is something that chairman milley mentioned in his address to the graduates. and it is -- it is -- of national defense university. and so, it's unclear as to how the president is going to strike down on all this. one thing we can tell you, chris, is a lot is going into this commencement address tomorrow. these cadets who are going to be there tomorrow, they are going to be spaced apart for social distancing. their families aren't going to be there. faculty and staff won't be there because of all the precautions that are being taken. so a lot of pain has gone into,

a lot of blood, sweat, and tears, has gone into preparing this graduation ceremony tomorrow. so, yes, all eyes are going to be on the president to see where he decide to take the country, moving forward. but if past is prolog and tells us anything, chris, this president is hellbent on this law-and-order message of essentially taking the side of the police officers and these protests over the last couple of weeks. and showing sort of a tone deafness with these protestors we have seen over the last couple weeks. and as you know, chris, america is one of the most diverse institutions you can think of. so you are going to have a diverse audience there, listening very closely what the president has to say. >> in fact, recently in a poll, the military was seen as the institution that has the best chance of dealing with racial disparities in this country. jim acosta, thank you very much. have a good weekend. appreciate the work. all right. so we are heading into another

weekend. you know what that means. it's summertime. more people are going to leave their homes. everybody's anxious to get back to life as normal. sure, there are guidelines. will they be followed? covid cases are still rising. 19 different states. take a look. you'll see in the color coding there, how much and in what place. some of the biggest surges are across southern states, like north carolina, arizona, texas. cnn's nick watt has the state of play. >> today, in houston, they are prepping to reopen, not more businesses but, maybe the field hospital at the texans nrg stadium. covid-19 hospitalization rates in texas just hit an all-time high. >> i'm growing increasingly concerned that we may be approaching the precipice of a disaster. >> oregon and utah have hit pause on reopening following upticks these past couple weeks. >> has the snooiunited states sd

in the fight against coronavirus? >> i'm not so sure we can say it stalled but what we're seeing right now is something obviously that's disturbing. >> new case count rising in 19 states. florida's has about doubled since june 1st. but he admits there are new outbreaks in farming communities. >> a small part of it is testing. but it truly is a real increase in cases. and, part of that is because people are getting too close together, without using their masks. >> orange county, california, scene of some crowded sand, just ended its mask advisory a couple days after the health officer, behind it, quit after receiving threats. meanwhile, another new study says mask works. that making masks mandatory in new york city on april 17th prevented more than 66,000 infections over the following three weeks alone.

the president doesn't wear one. and his campaign is now asking everyone attending next week's maga rally in tulsa, to sign a waiver saying they won't sue if they catch covid-19. >> please, wear a mask all the time. because a mask will give you some protection. the best thing to do is to avoid crowded areas. but, if you're not going to do that, please, wear a mask. >> all right. our thanks to nick watt for the reporting. can you imagine having people sign a release, to protect yourself from any liability, for inviting them to a place that is going to be unsafe, inherently. and you don't even push masks. why doesn't this president treat us, and our interests, the way he treats his own? he protects himself. he makes sure people around him are tested. that they wear masks. that there is adequate tracing. why won't he do the same for the rest of us? even, his attendees at a rally. now, that takes us to another point of focus in this country. seattle, right?

trump is all act this situation, as proof that the left has run amok and the city and state must dominate the streets. he is even apparently tweeting about our interview with the city's mayor, suggesting she doesn't get what is going on in her own city. the mayor is here to respond and update. next. firm with a truly long-term view that's been through multiple market cycles for over 85 years? with capital group, i can. talk to your financial professional or consultant for investment risks and information.

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all right. now, seattle has become, largely, a matter of perspective. is this a largely peaceful takeover of part of the city? can you have a peaceful takeover? or do you have an occupation? now, we hear that the protestors are negotiating with officials. should they have the leverage to negotiate? in a city, where they are not supposed to have any control? there's a map of this new so-called area. they're calling it chaz. the capitol hill autonomous zone. takes up several city blocks.

people were pushed out -- police were pushed out of the area on monday. there's a live look. you know, look. i mean, if you look at it, it's not an angry protest. it's not really organized. but it is completely occupied. i interviewed seattle's mayor yesterday. she made a reference to the 1967 summer of love. she got some love for that. and some critics, including the president, saying this is anarchy. and officials need to shut it down. mayor jenny durkan returns tonight. ms. mayor, thank you, very much, for taking the opportunity. what can you tell us about the state of play? >> chris, thanks for having me back. first, i want to assure the president that seattle is fine. i'm not sure what he's so afraid of. and what he's depicting to the nation just isn't true. i spent time in the area today. talking to people. listening to their concerns. talking about what brought them there, what they want to see for our city and for community. i don't know why the president

is so afraid of democracy. free speech is part of who we are, it's how we started as a nation. and we will be fine in seattle. and we don't need the president's help. >> so the president is saying, yes, of course, this hyperbole in there. it's like a hellscape out of mad max. this is the left run amok, all of that. and, yet, you do have a reality on your hands. you have negotiations, between the people who are there and police. they seem to feel that they have a sense of domain, where they are. they are in control of that area so that you can't have normal traffic. you don't have normal life there. you have your police chief saying she didn't want to leave the precinct. that the city caved to pressure. that doesn't sound great either does it? >> so place-based protests are nothing new in seattle or across america. i mean, you see occupy take part of wall street for almost eight months in new york and the city managed to survive.

i think what we really have to do is, you know, it's the old saying we're given one mouth but two ears. it's time to listen. what's happening in america right now is so significant. and we, as leaders, have to listen and determine what changes can we bring to bring us to a better country and better cities? my job as mayor is to move forward in a way that really pays attention to the very lee ji legitimate pain and rage in the streets about centuries of systemic racism and communities being held back. if we miss this opportunity, our nation will miss an opportunity. so i'm not afraid to listen to people, i'm not afraid to hear what they want. and see if we, as a sea, ccity, address that very ral reeal pai >> what are the state of negotiations? what do you like? what do you not like? >> i've met with many community groups over the last two weeks. there is a range of demands and

desires by people. which everything with how we do policing, we've met some of them already, to how do we really do the thing people want the most? and, that is, invest in their community. invest in their children. invest in opportunity. making sure our schools, our healthcare systems, equity, and economy, are built for everybody. because, if you look across all of our systems, people of color and, particularly black americans, have been left behind in every one of them. that doesn't happen by mistake. it happens because of how the structures are built. and so, when i listen to people, mostly, what i hear is their desire to see the true opportunity and equity, be made real, in all of those systems that we, as a society, invest in those systems greater than we've already invested in the criminal justice system. and i think that's the right path forward. >> i actually think the linking thought to what's going to bring about a new culture wave of change will be that, yes, of

course, color and systemic racism is a reality. but that the need and the spread of opportunity is more have/have not, than it is just color. color, absolutely. race is an identifiable and an intrinsic part of inequality, in this society. but, it goes beyond that, and i think, if you can get that out of these streets, that it's color and, you know, race and -- and if there is a list of needs for society, i think you have the best chance at seeing changes from power. one last thing, mayor, while i have you. the idea of what you'll give on and what you won't. the idea of removing police from the community. of making that building something else. will the police return there to work? or is that building going to become something else? >> police have been back in there. the chief of police was there yesterday. they've had some people in there. and we're going to continue to analyze whether that's the best place for the police to operate. whether there's additional things.

but really, what i hear from people when i listen to them is, first, i've got to listen. and the harder it is for me to listen, the more important it is that i be sitting and listening. and the second is, you know, i think dave chapelle said it very well. this movement came from the streets. it didn't come from politicians. it didn't come from elected leaders. and we've got to, in some ways, get out of the way and to listen to the streets because those kind of movements are what has moved america forward, through its whole existence. and i think we've got to do that and if we miss this thuopportun, i would say shame on all of us. >> there's no question. we've never had any meaningful change that hasn't started at the grassroots, the street, the people, the populist level. i think that's always been true. and we'll see where it goes here. you certainly have a lot of people watching, mayor durkan and you will continue to have this platform to explain the situation. >> thanks so much.

take care. >> so the interplay of what's happening on the streets in seattle. a lot of people there. a lot of them wearing masks. but they're in close contact. those protests have to play into the pandemic situation. it will take time to see. all of these are lagging indicators. but the highest number of cases, in a single day, is a phrase we keep hearing, in state after state in this covid fight. we just heard from dr. fauci. this isn't over. you know that. states should not leapfrog over reopening guidelines. don't we get that? we're back with someone else who knows about the consequences. here he is. my man, schaffner, next.

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in a country that is desperate for leadership, especially on the federal level, at least we still got fauci. dr. anthony fauci, one of the top doctors on the white house coronavirus task force. he can be believed. he can be trusted. he has not led us astray. and he is warning, don't rush the reopening process. coronavirus cases have increased in 19 states. remember, this is during the summer. we thought we might get a break. but the reopening was always imagined to be very deliberate. it hasn't been. some areas are actually seeing record highs, in the number of new cases. the cdc now warns the u.s. could suffer 130,000 deaths, in all, by the fourth of july. still, dr. fauci says this doesn't mean the fight against covid has stalled. >> i'm not so sure we can say it stalled. but we're seeing, right now, is something, obviously, that's disturbing. we all do want to reopen the

country, for a number of important reasons. but we've got to do that, in -- in a way that's careful and prudent. >> let's bring in dr. william schaffner, back for us, tonight. first of all, do you agree with fauci? >> pretty much. but, it looks stalled to me, at the moment. in fact, the accelerator is on, in a number of different places. this covid virus hasn't taken a vacation, chris. it's up and out. and it's up and out because people are opening up too quickly. and they're being a bit carefree about it. they're not wearing their masks. you know, wear the mask when you leave your front door. >> masks are weakness. masks are a hoax. the virus is a hoax. you don't need it. it's been greatly overblown. in fact, quarantining made it worse. that's what we're hearing from the president and state news. >> masks are strength. they come from knowledge. they show respect for others.

others wearing masks show respect for you. it's what -- it -- it was what was effective in flattening the curve. and so, masks, social distancing, good hand hygiene, staying away from large gatherings. those are the elements. put all those together, and we can manage this. ignore those, and the hospital emergency rooms will fill up. >> i think fauci's context for stalling is about his efforts, and what they're able to do, at that level, in terms of trying to find a vaccine. still ambitious to have one by the end of the year. of course, they don't control the states. and you are sitting and proof of that, right now. you're in tennessee, nashville, as it says for everybody in the top right-hand corner of their screen. and they've had to slow it down in tennessee, which is actually a pretty mature thing to do. not easy to do, politically, to slow people down once they have expectations. oregon, same thing. why? >> well, we're slowing things

down because we're concerned about cases going up. and when you do that, we slow things down, remind people about how to behave, and we can tamp down the increase again. we can keep that curve flat. the covid virus is going to be with us. we're working on vaccines. we're working on treatments. but, in the meantime, we have to work on reducing transmission. the way the covid virus gets from one person to another. let's not go out into large crowds. let's be restrained. wear those masks. and be prudent. >> hey, doc, help me with this one. we talk about the anticipation or expectation of a second wave. but i don't see that the first one is ending. if cases are still going up in all these different places, it seems like a real wave. you know, that it's taken different shape, as it moves across the country. but, are we going to really have a second wave? or is this thing going to just keep going? and if so, what is your

outside-limit guess as to how long we're dealing with this? >> well, we're dealing with this for the immediate future, for months in advance. this is the end of the first wave. it's smoldering along and, now, it's starting to increase again. the big second wave that we're concerned about will come this fall, when flu starts and, also, covid starts. then, they'll both start to increase. then, we'll really be in it up to our necks, i'm afraid. >> if the first wave is starting to mellow, then, why do we see so many highest cases ever popping up around the country? >> it's, in part, because we're testing more. that, for sure, the more you look, the more you find. but covid, now, is leaving metropolitan areas, it's beginning to sneak out into more rural areas, where there are many people who really didn't believe in covid because it wasn't around them. they weren't wearing masks.

they didn't do social distancing. they didn't stay at home nearly the way we did in cities. and now, it's beginning to surprise those folks as it gets out into the less densely populated parts of the country. >> hospitalization rates. that's what we have to keep our eye on, right? because a lot of opportunists will use testing as an excuse. we keep seeing with desantis in florida. his state matters. it mattered early on. it's going to be big come election time. and he says it's just about testing. but, you know, testing in florida rose, but then dropped, and is now rising again. it's not just testing that is reflecting an increase in the numbers. it's spread of illness. >> absolutely. and watch those hospitalizations. you know, we've been able to test people going to the hospital for a long time. so that's a very solid metric. if you were sick, you went to the hospital, for the most part.

now, we can see, in different parts of the country, hospitalizations, along with cases, are rising. and that's really what we have to be concerned about. we don't want another surge on our healthcare system that's difficult to manage. we've been through that, right? so we want to keep things flattened down. if we can reduce the rate of transmission, then, of course, there are fewer very sick people who have to come to the emergency room and be admitted to the hospital. >> and you know, to the extent that new york has become a little bit of a through the looking glass moment here, the upside of it has been, you know, it's been pretty tight, here, in terms of what they'd let us do and when they'd let us do it. but it's given people confidence that the measures work. and i'm actually seeing more masks, not less, than i did a couple weeks ago. and i think that's because people are kind of -- one, there is a little bit of a shame dynamic. you know, i give you that look if you don't have the mask on and it's weird for me because i have antibodies and i've already

been sick. but i still wear a fishing collar i can pull up over my mouth when i get that look. it gives people confidence, when they hear cases are going the right way, to continue these protective measures. dr. schaffner, thank you for making us a little smarter and understand a little better. thank you, sir, and best for the weekend. >> you, too. >> all right. here's a name you may not be familiar with. sterling higgins. don't know the name? well, his story may sound really familiar, in this era of outcry over the use of excessive force. this black man died, months ago, in police custody, after calling them for help. now, there are new demands for answers and new video. next. mrs. walker.

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arrested him for trespassing. it's what happened next to the 37-year-old that has resulted in, yet another, claim a black man was killed in custody, as cameras rolled. >> it shows the officer's hands grasping around mr. higgins' neck and throat. and it shows mr. higgins stopping all movement, while that officer has his hands in the area of mr. higgins' throat. >> seattle attorney edwin budge is suing union city, tennessee, the county and the officers involved on behalf of higgins' estate. accusing jailers of excessive use of force, failing to provide adequate medical care, and causing his death. the city, county, and people involved, all deny wrongdoing. jailhouse videos show, minute by minute, higgins' death. from a scuffle with officers, in which higgins, handcuffed, pulled a jailer's hair, to a scuffle on the floor where he is kicking feet, as jailers struggle on top. and, here, in closeup video, enhanced by the attorney to zoom

in on one of the jailers gripping higgins' face and neck. in a handwritten report, the jailer says higgins was spitting and he put his hand under his chin. >> mr. higgins was alleged to be spitting. and it certainly doesn't explain why an officer would keep his hands around somebody's neck or throat area, for fully two additional minutes from the point the person stops moving. >> the video shows two others applying shackles to his legs and ankles, as the hand of the officer holding higgins' neck stays in place. it is 1:48 a.m. and 50 seconds. minutes pass. higgins' body goes limp. at 1:54:27, the officer finally removes his hand. it's been nearly six minutes. the jailers do not call for medical help at this point. instead, they drag higgins' limp body onto a restraint chair, and wheel him into cell 15.

>> why they would strap a lifeless human body into a restraint chair, spend minutes doing that, and then put him in a cell by himself, when all movement had ceased for minutes on end, until medics are called, is beyond my comprehension. >> at 2:14 a.m., one minute before medical staff arrive, the officers remove his restraints. the ems team finds no pulse, no breath, applies cpr, but it's too late. their report says the primary symptom is obvious death. an autopsy report shows a tear in higgins' neck muscle. the conclusion? excited delirium due to methamphetamine toxicity, a term to describe accidental drug deaths, sometimes in the hands of police. >> do i think the officers handled this situation properly? no, i don't. i do not believe, beyond a reasonable doubt, that any of those officers were guilty of a crime. >> district attorney general tommy thomas says he understands that some people won't agree

with his decision not to charge the officers. thomas says he presented the case to the grand jury, as he always does when law enforcement is involved. but never showed the grand jurors the video. >> tif the bottom line is this, it would have taken a couple hours to show the video to the grand jury. and i had already decided that this case was not a proper case for indictment. >> the grand jury agreed with the da's recommendation to not press charges. thomas says, because the burden of proof is lower in civil courts, he advised higgins' family to get a lawyer and sue. >> chris, the civil attorney's just incredulous that, in the criminal case, the grand jury never saw these tapes. they are vowing to hire autopsy experts, to overlook the autopsy, overlook these videotapes. and if this gets to a trial and a jury, in federal court, to make sure that those jurors see

exactly how sterling higgins died. chris. >> drew griffin, thank you very much for the reporting and you're right. the video is a very big boost in terms of making a jury or anyone aware of the details of the situation. thank you for the reporting, as always. have a good weekend. and again, now that you've watched that video, in context, think about what your president said. chokeholds. you know, when you say it, it sounds so perfect. so innocent. amazing. systemic racism in america is real. we should not be debating that. the debate is how do you make it go away? how does change come? and, from where? from whom? a micro dive and somebody who looked exactly at this, and has answers. next. good morning, mr. sun. good morning, blair. [ chuckles ] whoo. i'm gonna grow big and strong. yes, you are. i'm gonna get this place all clean.

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what's the good news? the good news is that we're dealing with it. right? what's happening in the streets is real. you can't ignore it. your president is trying to ignore it. but you can't ignore it. you can't blame it on one political party. you can't blame it, just, on anarchists. you can blame a lot of looting and the violence on anarchists and on extremists and insurgents and opportunists. but not the reality. the reality belongs to all of us. never, in modern history, have we seen this much agreement on racism in america. says who? the monmouth poll latest. 76% of you. 71% of white people, calling racism and discrimination a big problem in the united states. a 26-point jump since 2015. so, this is important, where we are, right now. this may not be like other times. it's hard for me to trust that. i've been here before.

but it has never been the goal for just the minority. it has to be the majority. how do we know? people who've studied and who've lived it, like mitch landrew, not only led one of america's blackest cities, he's also been leading a group that examines just how deep racism is built into our systems. mitch, thanks for helping me out, brother. the idea of hearing kudlow, an educated guy who comes from a big city, saying there is no such thing as systemic racism. your response? >> well, he must not leave his house. you know, that's sad to hear from somebody that's in such a high position of authority that speaks on behalf of the president of the united states. and, by the way, he's just wrong. you know, in all the work we did last year, our team with eplur bus unumb traveled across the south. we talked to over 800 people. detailed long interviews with folks. white folks. black folks. brown folks.

old, young, rural, urban. asking them, you know, tell me about race. what do you think about race? how do you feel about it? what impact does it have on you? and, you know, there is -- there is common ground, in this country. but, you know, last year when we did this, it was clear you spoke about it last night. when you went through for the american public what the institution of racism is. but in the people who responded to our request to be interview, it is clear that white people in america don't have a real understanding or don't really believe that racism is institutionalized, and when they hear it, they don't particularly understand what it is. they think we're calling every white person in america racist and it's the act opposite. it's bias when applied have an impact on african-americans. african-americans understand clearly what racism is. those numbers have started to move and it's clear that white

people have started to hear and see things and walked by before that they never noticed. that's why we're at a moment that if we take advantage of it, we can make some headway. >> no question this president plays on being called a racist to keep people at a distance. we're not going to solve this by calling millions of good people a racist and a bigot. nobody is going to do that but he is, as opposed to how do we get to a better place. so what did you learn about what the aspects are of getting to a better place? >> well, the american people as we say down south might have been born at night but we weren't born last night. what president trump is doing is not something new. you saw this in 1972 with the southern strategy. the whole idea is separate whites and african-americans and convincing people on the same economic situation that they

somehow should hate each other. and, of course, that's not true, you know, you preach about this every night that our diversity is a strength, not a weakness. this is not how transparent trump is being. to play ts race card. it's a dog whistle. we know what it looks like, what it feels like, and you're watching history move past the president of the united states and shame on him for allowing it to happen. what we found out when we talked to people. this is interesting, most everyone we talked to, white folks and black folks, had a great sense of where they lived, how proud they were of the city, the neighborhood they lived in. things that brought them together. sports, music. culture, art. when you start talking about, what neighborhood do you really live in? do you live on this side of the tracks, that side of the tracks? do you feel like the schools your kids go to give everyone an equal opportunity? or if you mention white privilege to a white person, they adamantly rejected the notion that they goat the benefit of the doubt because they were white.

you got the exact opposite answer from african-americans. however, almost everyone thought the notion of equality was good, it was a goal we should reach for, but it was out of our reach. and, of course, the killing of george floyd has changed everything, almost every african-american in the country saw their face in george floyd's face and they saw the knee of america on their necks and it all came rushing in. and now the whole world is watching, you can't turn away from it, and you have to run into this moment. >> and you can't let george floyd be seen as a one off either, there are too many people who get the convenience of saying, this is really bad. and they should prosecute it. i don't understand what you're angry about, they're going to prosecute this one. why are you upset. it's this disuntilation of an idea you dealt with. we have to get past the idea that if something happens that's good for the minority it's somehow bad for the majority. and especially when they're on

the same economic level, no, i have it hard already. you're asking me to do more for people that have it just the same as i do. how do we get past that? >> the biggest myth is perpetuated on the people of america, somehow they don't look like them they're going to take something from them as opposed to add something to that. we know that's not true. if you think about it. there's a reason why we say diversity is a strength. think about this, after the civil war, 4 million human beings were forced to leave the south and find refuge some place else. they added value, intellectual capitol, became doctors, lawyers, musicians, all of that great generation of new product went outside the south. you sent your best players away.

how could you possibly be better if all of your players are not on the field. everything that african-americans have begun too participate in have always performed well, and we all lift up, because the economy's better when everybody has an opportunity. we have a huge race to make ourselves afraid of other people who look different from us. it's just a myth, it always has been, and it's one of those things we have to stand up. the simple idea that's facing the country right now. do you believe that diversity is a strength. do you think that everybody is equal? do you think we should share opportunity and responsibility? or do you believe some of us are better than others? trump is on one side. and trumpism. which is much more important than him. you've known him his whole life. his completely captured the republican party. that party that used to exist before he got there is no more. it's unfortunately becoming a narrow small, more white -- and i think it is a mistake, and i think many people in america are beginning to understand this

notion that somehow they've been duped into thinking that if african-americans do well, or immigrants codo well, they're going to do poorly. we know that's not true. >> what's the next thing that needs to happen for us to move in the right direction? >> in front of us right now is the criminal justice system. what's going on in the criminal justice system as you said last night is endemic in health care, as you can see clearly from covid-19. it's the same thing with the voting system, it's the same thing with the education system, we have to commit ourselves that we are going to march forward every day and begin to peel apart these institutional biases, so we can get everybody a fair shot, so all of us can do better. >> you are the man, thank you for reaching out to me on this, and helping us continue the conversation. the plate behind you says everything. out of many is one. that's us. thanks, brother be well, have a great weekend. >> thank you. in three weeks, there could

be another 16,000 covid deaths. when i say 16,000, does it get you? does that number get you? that's the new projection. and it should get you, because by percentage, it's a scary rate of increase. i don't think it's working for us any more. i think the numbers are starting to make you glaze over, we all want our reality back as we understood it. we have to figure something out for ourselves. we're not going back to what it was before. not for a long time. let's talk about what is going to happen and where we'll make it better or worse. we've got somebody who's been studying the trends very closely. let's take it up next. ta-da!

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