i hope you're having a good friday night so far. it's not easy, where we are in america right now. i'm chris cuomo, let me help you get into the weekend. welcome back to "prime time". we have to talk about what matters right now. and coronavirus is exploding. that's not to hype, look at the states on your map. i don't want the numbers to go up, i want them to go down. we all want them to reopen. the way it's being done is different in different places. and we're seeing that reflect different caseloads. things are getting worse in at least 19 states. the cdc predicts 130,000 will be dead by july 4th. independence day. we all want to be free again, but we are in a pandemic, i know

you don't hear a lot about it from leadership. you're not going to, you have to own your own reality. we barely even get to see the task force any more. it was great to see dr. fauci with wolf earlier today. team cape captain talking about what matters. you have to be reminded of the risks, okay? a mask is not weakness. it is the best way to keep yourself strong. let's bring in an expert. welcome back to prime time. professor, the reality is there is fatigue. the numbers don't matter the way they used to, i'm not indicting the american people, this is basic human behavior that they're comfortable with the numbers. 100,000, 150,000, 200,000. the number is the number. it's not affecting everybody. i want to get back to my life. what effect is that having on what we see.

>> trying to regain normalcy for summer, >> we're having more interactions and with those come more opportunities for the virus to jump into new hosts, meaning new infections. we're just seeing this long, slow drawn out burn through many of our states that could be avoided by just simple measures of social distancing, mask use, simple things that could really help us contain this in a much better way than what we're doing now. >> let's be clear, many people hear anything about restrictions and they say, you're killing us, you're killing the economy, we have to get back out there. you're not saying don't reopen, you're saying how you reopen is what matters most. you're seeing a difference in impact with different places doing it different ways, how so.

>> you can't just reopen and hope that this goes away, and we saw perfect examples of that in texas this past week where they reopened, they had their restaurants going and five of the their restaurants had outbreaks in them, and they had to close down. they close for two weeks while they disinfect their business, and then try to pick it back up again. you have to look at the biology, fix the biology in order to solve the economy. >> what about the counter veiling proof, though, the lake of the ozarks. we showed it to everybody, we're like, these people are just being stupid. only two confirmed cases out of that, if you can trust everything we've been told. only two cases. so doesn't that reinforce the idea that they didn't have masks? they weren't socially distancing? they're okay? >> yeah, i mean. i don't know if we just got lucky, it was dumb luck with that. it was never going to be a super spreading event. because it was outdoors. there was distance between

people and the virus really couldn't build up in the air without being blown away. but i would have expected if there was more infectious people there that we would have had more transmission just person to person. i think they got lucky, and i think they were in a state that was fairly low in regards to disease prevalence at that time. >> let me go through a checklist of things people are considering. >> give me the yay/nay. summer camp for kids? >> yes, but -- i'm going to do summer camp for my kids. we have that booked in mid july. but i have spoke tonight camp, have understood what they're doing to protect not only the counselors but my own children. it's outdoors, they can appropriately distance most of the time. and they live in an area with very very low infection rates at the moment. >> day camp or sleepaway? >> just day camp? >> does it matter? >> i've had a couple questions about people going into tents

and sleeping in those? that brings people in close contact for an extended period even though you are asleep. of my risk of threshold right now. >> summer trip, drive or fly? >> if you are going from a low disease area to a low disease area and you're by yourself, take risks, take appropriate mitigation steps and fly. if you're going as a family, as soon as you get more than one or two people, every person you bring is an extra interaction you can bring with someone else. drive. >> if i were able to go somewhere by myself, that would be a vacation. i'm always with my family, that's a trip. >> how about an air bnb. or hotel. >> most households could not survive having an outbreak in their hotel. they wouldn't recover for weeks or months after that. they've implemented a high level of cleaning and just general

distancing to be safe in their environment. most hotels should be doing this pretty well. air bnb just call up, ask what they're doing to protect you, and if it seems like that matches your own risk level, then why not. >> are we going to have a lake of the ozarks lucky pass? or are we going to see a number pop from the protests? >> the protests are interesting. they're certainly going to be transmission there. it's just a matter of how much they're actually was. with 20,000 cases a day. if we get 3,000 or 4,000 new cases from the protests, you're not going to see that because of the way the data bounces around. we really just don't know at this stage if it's going to have a big bounce or not. but again, everything was there for spreading to a curve. not super spreading, but for person to person transmission chains. >> isn't it wild looking at new york live right now, how many people have masks on? you know, it's such an interesting juxtaposition.

because they're taking to the streets as an act of protest, first amendment right, they're very open to being civilly disobedient, they believe in their cause, but they're wearing masks. it's an interesting reveal about the mind-set of the people there, you know? >> it is. and it really makes me wonder, they know the risks that they're facing. so what they're out there doing and saying must be incredibly important to them to be doing this knowing the risks they do face. >> professor bromich, thank you very much as always. i appreciate it, i wish you a very good weekend. >> you too, chris. now, there are two perspectives on the continued demonstration of the problem in this country. race and policing. stop throwing these examples in the face, they're a small minority. you're making it feel like it always happens. you're getting people upset for no reason? wrong, the reality has been ignored for too long. you only recognize it when you

see it in a video you can't avoid. there are cases you don't hear about, because they're not on video or they escape notice until now. we're bringing them to you now. because you need to understand the reality. this is our chance to get on the same page. not to hate each other more, but to understand why there is hatred. why there is unrest, and come together. it is the only way forward, and there is another one in tulsa, that you have to see. i showed you this video last night. two teens whose only crime was walking down the middle of a pretty empty street. do you even see a sidewalk, that's what jay walking is about. how do they jay walk. the mother of the teen who got arrested, what does she see when she looks at the video, her nephew also got cuffed. the mom is here with attorney next. hey! lily from at&t here. i'm back and while most stores are open, i'm working from home and here to help.

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this device is giving us an accurate temperature check. you're good to go. i have to take care of my coworkers. that's how i am. i have a son, and he said, "one day i'm gonna be like you, i'm gonna help people." you're good to go, ma'am. i hope so. this is my passion. if i can take of everyone who is sick out there, i would do it in a heartbeat. a lot of black teenagers in our country do believe there's a chance they're going to get hurt when they deal with police. imagine that, living with fear when you deal with the people that are supposed to protect you. they may not come home. that was true for their parents, and their parents parents. this was supposed to go away. we're supposed to get better. but it's not happening, in part because of realities like this, this is newly released video of

two tulsa police officers on june 4th, showing the arrest of one black teen and the hand cuffing of a second for jay walking. you can see the two teens walking down the middle of the road before they are approached by an officer on foot and the second in a squad car. one officer could then be seen forcing a teen on to his stomach to handcuff him, while holding him down with his arms and knees. i want you to listen to that part of this exchange. >> what are you doing? >> what are you guys doing? why are you trying to choke him? >> nobody's choking him. >> you're choking him. >> nobody's choking him. >> just chill out. >> what are you doing? >> what are you guys doing? you're trying to choke him. >> nobody's choking him. >> just chill out. >> the second teen is handcuffed but doesn't struggle and remains standing. now, before you say see, if you don't struggle everything goes fine. come on.

come on, it's about the reason they stop you in the first place. you have to build in, how would you feel if you felt you were being stopped for no reason, and it's not the first time you heard about it, it's something you live with, it's something that bothers you. put it in context, okay? and another point in the video, you can hear the struggling teen saying, call my mom. and at one point threatening to beat the officer if he gets out of his handcuffs. that's going to provoke a situation, you have to understand the context. i'm not saying that people shouldn't comply with the police. there is law and order, it's just not as simple as the president wants to make it that might makes right. you have to work together in these situations. yes, you have to comply. but it has to be done, the policing in a way that induces compliance by people who are in their right mind. the second teen can can be heard repeatedly telling his companion to chill out. that's a lot to unpack here. we still have to deal with the fundamental issue of why this

happened to them. okay? >> with us tonight is tawan atkins, the mom of one of the jay walking teens, the aunt to the other one. and we have damario solomon simmons. attorney. counselor, thank you. ma'am, i'm sorry to meet you because of this, but maybe this is the way it's supposed to be so we can have this conversation. why do you believe your son and nephew were stopped for jay walking? >> chris, i want to say thank you. before we get started, i want to push back. the teenagers, the only thing they were guilty of is walking while black. they were not jay walking. they were walking down the street, had been followed for

of being killed by these officers who were following them. >> is that what they told you? >> absolutely, and that's what they told their mom. there's zero crime committed. no reason for them to be contacted by the police. and chris, this is why this happens. you have this unnecessary police contact that can escalate so quickly. >> what did they tell about you why they stopped the kids in the first place? >> well, the stop is for jay walking, allegedly, and it's bogus. it's stop and frisk. and frisk, it's racial profiling. it's life in america for black people, particularly black young men. i want to say something else about when the 13-year-old was physically and violently grabbed from behind that triggered him. i don't want to get too specific, but he is a victim of

trauma, that he's had some specific devastating trauma in his life, and that was a specific specific reason for him when he was grabbed that way of his reaction, and one of the reasons why he was extreming for his mother, which reminded you of george floyd in another context. so there's a lot behind what happened there, and as you said, a lot to unpack, and this is what is not factored in often times in these encounters, you talk about what the police are thinking, what about this young man who lives in tulsa, which is a place with racially disparaged treatment of black people for 100 years. >> let me come back to what happened at the stop in a second counselor. let me bring mom in here, to get a perspective of what this meant to you, about what you found out about your son and what he explained to you, and what you believe about request why this happened. what do you believe? >> i believe that they were just racially profiled, they were signaling him out.

singling him out. >> the idea of jay walking, what does that mean to you? >> jay walking is walking down a busy street with sidewalks, street lights and walking without a walk signal. that's what jay walking means to me. >> how did your son explain how it felt in that moment to him. and why he felt this happened to him? >> he didn't know why, he just kept asking why? you know, why? why mom, why did they do me like that? why did they do this to us? i said, son, i don't know. >> and without getting too much into personal information about a child, the counselor talks about trauma, as you know, the push back in this situation will be, well, if he had just done what his cousin did, he would have been okay, but he resisted. what do you want people to know about your son? >> that this incident triggered him.

he's had some prior trauma and doesn't like to be touched. and this just triggered. it's like pulling a band aid off an old scar. >> now, miss atkins, forgive me for a second. counselor, let's have the real conversation here, we know what minds have to be made open on this, it's not me, it's not you. it's not people who have lived around people of different color and seen different situations. there are a lot of people who will see this video, and they'll see everything that's wrong with this kid. and say, he's fighting the cops. he's fighting the cops, spitting at the cops. said he'll kill the cops. this is exactly why the police have to worry about their own lives. this isn't about this teenager, it's about these cops having to deal with someone who wants to hurt them when they're just enforcing the law. how do you respond? >> first of all, they weren't enforcing the law. >> you're choking him. >> it was the officers who broke the law by violating their

constitutional rights by searching and seizing him without probable cause. so they are 13-year-old kids who have the right to walk down the street to the relatives house, free from police contact, that's number one. number two. there is no evidence that we've seen that the 13-year-old hit or kicked or head butted this officer. yes, he was moving and there are very good reasons for that, but he was handcuffed. he was being manhandled and beaten, we have video of him being kicked several times. we have witnesses who saw this. so i would say it is about the activity and the actions of these officers who violated the law. because they decided that these teens had committed the crime of walking while black. and then once they grabbed this individual from behind. that's a battery, chris. how would we feel, you feel, or anybody feel if you're walking along, minding your business and you see someone following you

that has -- on tv, every image you see is black men being beaten and women, pummeled and killed by officers and now you're grabbed from behind without any reason. >> people will say the problem is the media exposure, that the reality is, this almost never happens and it's people like me, telling the stories that get people all worked up, and they think this is going to happen all the time, when this is an exception that almost never happens, it's blown out of proportion. >> well, infortunately, for us, who are black and live in america, this happens all the time. this has happened to me on several occasions. i've been racially profiled. i'm a former university of oklahoma football play, have a law degree, a masters degree, and i get racially profiled more often than i can count. this happens all the time. racism is not new, the cameras and videoing of this is. >> what is the disposition of the case right now, counselor? >> right now, they put two bogus felony charges on miss atkins

son, a 13-year-old charged with two felonies, so we're going to fight those charges, i have reached out to the tulsa police chief, i have not heard back from him. we'll be reaching out to the district attorney's office, these charges should be dropped. both teens suffer -- miss atkins son suffered physical and emotional injuries. seeking meds medical attention for that. her nephew, they are petrified to even go outside, they're so afraid. we're going to make sure they get the type of treatment they need. we want these officers to be disciplined, this cannot be okay in oklahoma. in tulsa oklahoma, or america. >> there's an investigation going on of this incident. we haven't heard anything else since wednesday, we'll keep an eye on that. i'm going to let you go, i don't want you to have to steep in this situation. and i'm sorry for you to have to be present during a hard conversation with the counselor, we have to get the issues out there or we're not going to move forward.

i want to get your take as a mom and a local to a statement by a member of the police who said, all the research says, we're shooting african-americans about 24% less than we probably ought to be, based on the crimes being committed. is that just a bad turn of phrase? was he taken out of context? or does that translate something else to you? >> it translates something else to me. >> i can tell you that major yates has had a long history of these type of comments because he is a top official in the tulsa police department, and this is how they feel, this is what policing is here in tulsa, he's also the officer that said this was black lives matter meant there was a war on police, and this is the type of mentality that allows an individual like betty shelbey who shot my client with his hands up in the air, and allows

her to teach other officers how to be a police officer. >> miss atkins, thank you for talking to us about this. we'll stay on the situation, we'll monitor the situation, that's the job. i wish you well at home. damario solomon simmons, as always, council, thank you for making the case. >> thank you, chris. we'll see you soon. >> seattle, right? this is a situation that people want to see stop. is it as simple as that? hell, no, it's not as simple as that. it's going to take a long time, it's going to take a lot of people coming together. the situation isn't as easy to understand either. you heard from the mayor a little earlier in this program. but what do the protesters and police have to say now that the president acts like this is mad max? we're going to take you live to the streets, get the reality where it is, next.

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president trump, state tv, fired up about seattle, why? it's picture perfect for them. all about the left. trying to take away everything, take away your cops, take away everything good. make everything bad. the city, occupied by anarchists, threatening to take hold of everything. the city's mayor told us tonight, the depiction, not true. >> i don't know why the president is afraid of democracy. free speech is who we are. it's how we started the nation. we will be fine in seattle, we don't need the president's help. >> last time she said, stay in your bunker, of. dan simon is on the ground. dan, what's the reality. >> it's like a friday night social seen out here, have you the street like festival situations.

hundreds of people. there's a bbq going on. you have people walking around with their six packs of beer, folks who aren't necessarily part of this movement, coming by to have a look at things and take photos of this police department in this current state. i've seen families out here, and people just wanting to be together and take in the scene. i watched both of your interviews with the mayor, and i thought what she said was very revealing, there seems to be no hurry to get these folks out of this area. and in the meantime, i also want you to listen now to a protester who was responding to the president's fiery tweets, you're going to hear from a police officer who acknowledged that the department has made some mistakes. take a look. >> i'm not scared of donald trump, and i'm not scared of the police officers either. we're going to stay outside this building whether they come here or not. we're going to take this building over whether they're outside threatening us or not. we brought the fight to them. we're not afraid of them. >> we want a dialogue, we want to communicate, right?

but if the public is so angry at us. how do we start that how do we do better? people expect better. we need to be better. >> and chris, i want to give that police officer lieutenant tammy floyd a special shout out, she came out here on her own, nobody told her to come out, she spent hours mingling with the protesters, listening to their concerns and it made me wonder what things would be like if you had officers who came out to listen to what these protesters had to say. >> dan simon thank you very much. appreciate the reality from the streets. >> the president abandoned north carolina for his ceremonial renomination, while he's blaming the democratic governor, he's ignoring the real battle. >> they have one of the highest percentage of covid positive test results in the nation. the health secretary who made that announcement tells us what they're up against, next. did you know prilosec otc can stop frequent heartburn

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if you guys want to deal in fact and fiction so much, potus was forced to move his nominating convention to

florida. that's fiction. the fact is, he didn't want to accept a scaled down version in north carolina for safety's sake. the numbers there are alarming. we haven't heard from the president about that. just today north carolina saw its highest single day spike since the pandemic began with more than 1700 new cases. hospitalizations, i keep telling you, that's the number to watch. they are climbing. this is the first wave, this isn't the second wave we're worried about in the fall. the state's top health official says they're just hitting the peak. north carolina health secretary mandy cohen joins me right now. thank you very much for joining me. >> thank you. i want to give a shout out to my family who are all new yorkers and such big fans of you and the show. thanks for having me on. >> tell them they are part of a very exclusive group.

listen, the reality where you are right now, why is north carolina just now seeing a peak? >> you have to understand that north carolina took early and aggressive action to move to stay at home. so we never had that first peak that you saw in the northeast. and it bought us valuable time to be ready to respond. it gave us the time to build our hospital search capacity, gave us the time to find the protective equipment we needed. it gave us time to find our capacity. we're way better prepared to respond now, and with stable numbers, a few weeks ago we we started easing restrictions and people start ed

moving around more. we know when people move around more, we're going to see more virus spread and learn to live with this virus. what we're seeing is the first signs of an increase here in north carolina, and now we're going to use the capabilities we've built to make sure we can respond. >> it's an interesting situation situation, you took the time to build up the capacity, but now the capacity is being tested because the cases keep going up is there a way that this should have done better? is there an adjustment you have to make? >> our fate is not sealed here, we're seeing cases go up, there are concrete things folks can do right now. we talked extensively today, the governor and i good at a press conference about the importance of wearing face coverings, washing your hands all the time. to our businesses, to doing the things that we think it takes with on going recommendations and some restrictions to keep the virus level low. our fate is not sealed. if we do the things we need to right now, if we continue to

ramp up our testing. if people stay home when they're sick. we can still keep the viral spread low, but it's going to take work from everyone. this is an all hands on deck kind of effort. >> what has the politicize done to the public messaging? how are people in north carolina responding to the call for masks and to be careful and to take it seriously? >> you know, we have a number of businesses who have really stepped up and been leaders, our restaurant association started their own program called count on me that says, look, we're going to take this seriously, we're going to do the social distancing and the masks, so that's been great, but, you know, that's not universal, and we want folks to make sure that they are following all of the guidance because it is going to take all of those individual actions put together that will keep the virus level low enough so we can find the balance between reigniting the economy and protecting public health.

we're trying to find that middle ground here where we can live with this virus. but that's hard and we're watching the numbers closely, and we don't want to have to go backwards, but the governor and i said if we have to, we will, there are things we can do to prevent that. i want to get our kids back to school this august. that is a top priority for us. so we're working hard to see now what we can do to step up our efforts to make sure the virus isn't spreading around. >> i left politics out of it, until the end for a reason. the other stuff matters more. in parlance that you'll remember, from how we talk up here in new york. did you guys as democrats, do the president dirty by getting him to move the rally out of the state. was this about politics? >> look, we were happy to work with the republican convention, we -- the governor republicans

welcomed them the here, we wanted to, we worked with other event organizers, nascar, they ran the coca-cola 600, had a great event, they did it with no spec spectators. thousands of people together to run that race. they did it with protocols. they made a decision to go elsewhere, and we will focus on keeping the virus level low, so we can focus on getting our kids back to school. >> i hope you're healthy, strong heads, strong hearts, be well. >> same to you, chris. >> almost invariably i and everybody else on the show, we put you first. not with this next guest. this next guest is for me as much as it is for you. chuck dee is joining us tonight. an '80s icon, he's a present day icon as far as i'm concerned. founders of the public enemy. political music. the birth place of hip-hop in this generation, he's been fighting for equality for decades, i want to talk to him about what today feels like.

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i hope now we're starting to understand this isn't just about anger what you see in the streets, it's about hurt, tease not about one case, it's about all the cases, it's not about police, but all institutions. it's not about one right but what is right on a large scale. our next guest is an artist and activist who's been drawing attention to these issues for decades. let's get insight from someone who is so formative in my own development. coming up in queens. founder of legendary music group, chuck d. good to see you again. >> yes, sir, usually i'm on -- and i hear feedback.

usually i'm on the -- i hear feedback, i'm going to -- >> all right, get it the way you want it. >> all right, i got it the way i want, yeah, usually i'm on the anxiety of the sky, the youtube, the zoom, but yeah, the queen's background -- >> well, i'm queens you came up where, nassau? roosevelt. >> yeah, i came up in loaning island. >> i came up with a deep understanding. high school and college, you and flava flav helping people understand what the issues were in a way that was catchy. that was your hope, to help people that didn't live it, understand the pain and the reality, do you believe that what we're experiencing in the country right now is different?

>> yes, it's very different. the beautiful thing about this is that people are setting that standard, now, every generation has been angry. we could go all the way back -- every generation could say, we didn't give a f what's going on, this generation is connected where their voices are heard, their voices are filled, they're going about doing something in the past hip-hop may have been that narrative, and we did it through the connectivity of recordings, before that, the movement of the '70s and especially in the '60s, where people got together and you had the 50/40. they all -- there was a movement and a change going on, this generation right here, is one that's connected. they're connected by technology, a feeling and the anger. and when you see this situation

come up, and just last night seeing four black men talk on cnn. bun b. steven jackson, kendrick perkins, speaking truth to power. you see this all connected and coming together. but the movement of people. it's like in basketball, they talk about positionalist basketball. well, this is leaderless looking leadership in a movement but there's leadership there, in all these voices, coming to the forefront. >> it always had to be from the bottom, up, though, chuck. i mean, one of the reasons you had such an impact is because you were bottom-up. and that's what we see with any social change of any meaning in this society since its foundation. people have to get to a point of outrage where they become a catalyst for change. minorities can't do it by

themselves. they have always needed buy in from the majority. do you think that will happen, this time? that we'll see the next wave of change since the early '60s? >> man, you see that people are connected throughout the world. the world is looking in, at this stage, right now. and this call, and this action, is looking across the world, globally, and young adults -- i don't call 'em like young people -- they're young adults. we're in a country right now all the way up to a bunch of 70-year-olds and 80-year-olds trying to run the country where 21-year-olds like, what does this mean for me? i have to be ageless right here to tell you -- for people 50 and forward. 42. 43. 35. that they're in leadership when they want a buy a crib for their kids. when they want to go and say, okay, what does this mean? i want to go into my business. i want to run my community.

this is very local. this is very local. that's the most important thing about this moment. people are looking in their hometowns, and realizing, look. there's that judge. there's this jury, in this community. there's a situation in the administration. and there's the fraternal order of police, that's in this town that's going to see and hear me right now. you got to look at this as being totally different than ever before. this situation right now, connected to my brother steven jackson, but he has stepped up to the point where this situation shouldn't have happened so he could be prominent. he's seen every week talking about basketball, other things. but, for years, they talked about him having this other character. so, in that bracket right there, that leadership right there, people saying the leadership is there. all the people that were cast to the front as being problems or this guy. oh, kaepernick takes a knee.

what's going on? why aren't they happy? and they're dealing with the official straightforward. and i -- i salute them. i salute them. and they are connected. everybody's connected because of the virus to the instagrams, to skypes, the zooms, the face times and all that. but now, the narrative is coming across fuller substance because you lock people in the house, for whatever reason, for a month, a month and six weeks. because of whatever happen, especially the pandemic, and then all of a sudden, they see confusion in the media. confusion from the potus or the cic. and then, all of a sudden, you're going to tell them to be quiet when they have nothing to look forward to in the future? you can't have a 75, 77, 79-year-old, talk about the future for young people, in their 20s. there has to be some kind of -- point.

for young folks for the longest period of time. i have to be ageless when it comes down to that because when you do the math, right, and you're in your 70s and talking about a future. and people swhen does the banks give me a break? this is very different, man. so, yes, hip hop is speaking out to it. but hip hop was that medium in the '80s, '90s, maybe the beginning of the decade. but now, it's social media and technology. and the technology's come back, like a sword. and the potus happened to have -- whatever he's doing like his first rally speech in tulsa, oklahoma. >> on juneteenth. >> the same time -- was burned down in '21. we'll see that go down kind of interesting, won't we? >> i'll be there. i'll be watching.

listen. i got to go but i want to put you on the spot. this has to be a continuing conversation of how changes may manifest. where it hits, where it misses, what is needed. otherwise, we know what happens. time passes and things start to fade. and we start to look for new things and there's fatigue. we have to keep the conversation going. you are one of the people i need at the table, so i will come back to you, if you will have me. >> from new york. queens and long island -- very important. >> done. chuck d, be well, god bless. i'll see you soon. >> all right. >> be right back. ♪ ♪

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