hello. i'm john king in washington. thanks for sharing your day with us. it's a very busy news day. consider this framing as we work through it. the election is 20 weeks from today. the result will change the national trajectory of race relations and police reforms, a big item, including new proposals from president trump, and the results of that election will decide whether you want to stay the course or hire a new team to manage the coronavirus. today's stayed-by-state numbers tell us to be quite vigilant but you hear no such urgency from the team asking you for four more years. the nation's top expert dr. anthony fauci says this morning he's not spoken to or briefed the president in two weeks. also a grim global coronavirus milestone this hour. 8 million worldwide case. more on the pandemic in a bit. first though race and policing. president trump next hour offers

his reform proposals, including national policing standards and a national database to track officers with rereceipted abuse complaints. there's a debate in congress about federal steps and cities and states coast to coast now proposing their own police reforms. the urgency reflected here, an attorney for rayshard brooks, remember, shot and called by police friday night after a 27-minute encounter at a wendy's in atlanta, and the attorney says what happened to his client, can happen to every black man in america. >> it's very much personal. i'm rayshard brooks. i'm george floyd. it's happened to me. it's happened to my friends. it's happened to my father and every other black person i know so we're all the same, so when we fight these battles, we're fighting them from a place of knowledge and really from the heart. >> now we get the politicians are hesitant to acknowledge problems on their watch, but we don't get this. the vice president asked today a pretty simple today. if he believes it is harder for

black americans to make it in this country. the answer, of course, is yes, but the vice president never said that. his response ran 2:49 and it included a couple of mentions of joe biden and noted the president's support of school choice and opportunity zones but he never directly answered the question. here's some of the non-answer. >> do you think it's harder for them to make it in this country in 2020? >> well, brian, i love your question. we're going to take these steps today to help improve policing. biden says everybody ought to have a fair shot at the american dream. well, we would say why don't you support allowing african-american families to choose where their kids go to school? we understand the media narrative around this time and the negativity around this time. >> the president's executive order on police practices is to be unveiled in just an hour. let's get straight to john harwood covering the president from the white house.

john, what are we expecting from the president? >> reporter: what we're expecting is action but modest action. this is the administration trying to public police departments along but not force them along. three main components to the executive order that we expect. the first is some sort of certification process that will -- that is designed to codify best practices and reward those departments that could theify those and it approves things like discouraging the use of chokeholds but not banning them outright which we see in many so of the legislation on capitol hill. second, data collection and sharing among departments about use of force complaint against officers so that the so-called bad apples that the administration talks about would be flagged so that if they leave one department, try to go work for another one, the new department would be aware of what their record was at the previous department. finally, an attempt to expand the expertise available to officers on call so that if an officer is dispatched to something where mental health

expertise would be of assistance to them, you get a mental held responder joining the police officer. now, they try to implement those changes with the carrot of federal grants, giving incentives to departments to get grants in order to make these changes but not forcing them to, and if you're talking about forcing them, that's where the legislation on capitol hill is going to be relevant. in the house, for example, they would ban chokeholds. they would ban no-knock warrants. the nat is less prescriptive. republicans will lay out their bill this week and then we'll get some negotiations. don't know if those negotiations will bear fruit either before july 4th or after and whether we'll get a deal, but if there isn't a deal this will point to the president's executive as having done something. >> john harwood for us covering the white house. big announcement there next hour. thanks, john. the full ott county district

attorney says he could make a decision as early as tomorrow about whether to bring charges against the police officers involved in the deadly confrontation with rayshard brooks. today we're learning more details about the officers involved and their histories. cnn's diane gal engineering is in atlanta with that. what do we know. >> reporter: the atlanta police provided the disciplinary records of those two officers and officer garrett rolfe, the man who police say shot and killed mr. brooks here at this wendy's, did have a use of force complaint in 2016 that involved a firearm. he received a written reprimand over that complaint the following year in 2017. he also had several citizen complaints, but according to the records that were provided to us, they ended without any sort of action. now, officer devon brosnan had two firearm charges on his record, but it did appear that one of the firearm discharges was the one at wendy's. the atlanta mayor spoke

yesterday about an executive order that she had signed that basically outlines reforms to the way that police can use force in situations saying that they need to use an objective and responsible amount of force just -- just if they feel that potentially their life may be in danger or they need to effect arrests or protect the public. she wants to make sure that other officers are now required to interconvenient if they feel another officer is using excessive force and referring all deadly shootings involving officers to a citizens review board. take a listen to what the mayor had to say. >> we're peeling back the layers of our standard operating procedures. some of it is ambiguous and some of it is simply not laid out, and what i can say is that if this is a challenge that we're having in atlanta, i assure you that there are agencies across this country if they haven't already begun to do this work, then they probably need to

today. >> you hear the mayor talking about that. i did speak with the police union, john, the representative who would be -- the union that would represent those two officers if in fact they are charged, told me that they feel that the district attorney and the mayor are being political about this. they feel that the officers have not received due process, both with officer rolfe being fired and the potential for charges from the district attorney saying that there's a rush to judgment without and investigation. john, the earliest we would probably get any word on those charges according to the district attorney is tomorrow. >> we'll keep an eye on that. diane gallagher live in atlanta, appreciate that so much. joining me now is sandra prewitt, thank you for being here with us again. captain prewitt, when you hear diane gallagher outline the

complaints and spoke of the complaints against officer rolfe, what does that indicate? >> it shows that perhaps this officer needed additional training, but we have officer on the street right now in contact with vulnerable communities, and they are exhibiting what we call badge-heavy personalities. that means that i am going to finish this mission no matter what the outcome. that's a part of the systemic issues of policing culture so to have someone have so many complaints, the other issues with policing culture is that people are not being held account a.m. for their actions, officers are not. so it kind of outlines what the mayor is talking about, hey, we neat to put some teeth into the things we're asking our officers to do by limiting the parameters in which they do them. i know that the president will probably talk about this it. the president is putting out a piece about what he thinks we

should be doing, but anything we do in this country regarding use of force and excessive force and deadly force has to have force behind it, and it has to be done quickly. we can't keep waiting on it. >> absolutely right about the can't keep waiting. you do see some precedent, how quickly we see action in states and cities. the question is do they get to the finish line, and what does the product line look like you? mentioned the president. let me ask you about that proposal. the most teeth, the most meat and credibility will come at the city, state and local level. however, is it valuable and how big of a deal would it be to have a national database of my language bad cops, a national database where sometimes police can move from department to depth and shift to shift where you could look up and see does this overs have a history of use of force complaints against he or she? >> it would be tremendously helpful. that is one of the biggest issues now is that an officer will be involved in misconduct. he will may be fired, released

from his police department and then he'll just go somewhere else and be hired and not only that, but there are police departments who will be glad to take him. those police departments should not be able to hire someone who is on that list. >> and so -- that's the federal level, and we'll see what else the president unveils. interesting that you hear that's a positive proposal. let's look at the local levels, bans on chokeholds. that is still controversial in some circles and transparency and oversight boards, a lot of talk of reallocating police funding and banning no-knock warrants and bmandating the use of body cams. when i look at that, that seems pretty common sense. >> there is a piece of legislation missing. our president talks about being a law and order president and we hear that a lot.

instead of hearing someone say we need to handle this symptomatic racism in police departments and that's what the underlying cause, perhaps the more we say it, the more that it can be normalized. everyone is going to have to be a part of the solution, and that includes the federal government. the 1033 program, for instance, has been reinstated so that police departments can be militarized. consent decrees, we don't know what has happened to those. those have been rolled back. no one talks about using consent decrease and our attorney general has a conversation with police officers about the fact that they should be respected before they give adequate service to the community, and then our president goes into cities where there are black police chiefs and commissioners and disrespects them in their own cities like he did in dallas and in chicago, so these are things that really should be addressed because people are following our leaders, and if your leader is not with the program, then we're going to

continue to have issues >> you're a leader, captain prewitt, so let me ask you from your personal experience. you're a black boston police officer, you're also a women police officer, so there's two barriers you've had to confront. you mentioned the symptomatic racism. there's also a macho culture in a lot of police forces. how have you dealt with this, and what is the key to success and what are some of the roadblocks and barriers you faced? >> it is a tremendous challenge or at least it was for me. i'm pretty sure it might be easier for other women in larger police departments where there are more black women, but there were not a lot of black women for me to look up to, to mentor me, so i would have to go outside our department for that. that was just a small piece. the larger piece was the fact that because i was a black woman i felt like i was at the bottom of the totem pole when it came to being respected, having my education and my training and my skill set acknowledged right up until the time that i was promoted to captain almost --

well, a year or so ago, and so we are facing issues in our police department whereby we don't have enough people to represent the vulnerable communities that we police so that we don't have input on policy and training and hiring. that's problematic. we can't speak for our own communities because we just don't exist and when we talk about these things there's a pushback. we might be ostracized. someone might call you a racist which is ridiculous to me because i'm a black woman but that happens. so in the meantime things keep on going the way that they are going and now we have the coke bottle, like i call it, shaken our coke bottle, took our finger out and now it's an explosion and the public sun happy. if the public sun happy, then that means we're not doing our jobs as law enforcement agencies. >> well, hopefully you can keep coming back and sharing these insights as we get through this conversation. we appreciate it. captain, thank you very much.

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certainly in march and early in april and then you come across. this is the current daily cases, newly confirmed cases. plateaued at the moment, turning up a little bit in recent days. this is the map we watch most closely. 18 states heading in the wrong direction, orange and red, reporting more cases this week than last week meaning they are heading in the wrong direction. green means we're going down. 22 states and 10 states essentially flat holding steady in their coronavirus case count. if you look at this, michigan going down quite dramatically. that was an early hot spot and south and into the west is where you have the big problems, the swath of red and orange across the country. regionally if you look at the trends, the south, that's up here heading in the wrong direction, you don't want that. yellow is the west, pretty much a plateau here, and the midwest and the northeast, remember, early on, michigan, new york, rhode island, et cetera, problem spots. they are down here now at the bottom of the trend. now the administration says the higher case numbers are because of more testing, and we are doing more tests in the united states. you see the line here, the

seven-day moving trend here. 400,000 or so tests a day in the united states, way up if you go back to march, even up if you go back to the beginning of may, and this is a good sign here. you want the positive, the number of tests come back to drop which tells you have got the virus under better control. that's going down so some see the rising case numbers and some look at this map and say with the reopening comes a spike. we have a problem. listen to the president. he says, no. we're getting more numbers because we have more testing. >> our testing is so far advanced, it's so much bigger and better than any other country we'll have more cases. we're always going to have more case. if you don't test you don't have any cases can. if we stop testing right now we'd have very few cases, if any. >> joining us now to discuss cnn's medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta and jonathan martin, national political correspondent with the "new york times." the is the president right, the case numbers are going up state by state by state and you see

across the south and up into the west just because we're doing more testing, nothing to worry about? >> more testing is going to find more cases. i mean, that part of it is true, but we also know that there's other things that we need to be paying attention to. you know, i mean, since the beginning it wasn't just about the number of people who were being infected. that's an important number, but ultimately you want to know how many people are getting sick, how many people are ending up in the hospital and how many people are dying, you know, so hospitalization rates, for example, is have gone up in certain places. in texas which i know the president was talking about yesterday as a model of success, they have had some of their highest hospitalization rates so far. i mean, throughout the entire pandemic, arizona announcing emergency plans to handle the number of patients that they expect could can be coming into hospitals, so there's real concerns, north carolina. you're seeing similar sorts of trends. there's all sorts of different ways of looking at this. the thing that hasn't changed,

john is the virus. the virus is the same, still very contagious. as we reopen there will be more people who get infected. that's a fact, and i think everybody recognizes that. i think the question that we're grappling with now is what is acceptable? more people died yesterday in this country than people have died in other countries throughout the entire pandemic. the in 24 hours, more people died in this country. are we comfortable with that? are we willing to accept that, and what will be the triggers in terms of number of people who are getting sick, hospitalized to go back to some sort of stay-at-home sort of order. >> and jonathan martin, it is just inescapable. the election is 20 weeks from today so as the administration manages the pandemic, you can't forgot that. the calendar is the calendar. set politics aside. you had had the vice president, you reported on this in the newspaper today and you can listen to a little bit. this is the vice president on a call with the nation's governors. we don't see big coronavirus task force briefings at the white house. the administration message is saying we've got this, it's not that important anymore. listen to the vice president

telling governors if your case count is going up, here's your answer. >> we've had such an overwhelming response that we're also looking at another venue. we're also looking at outside activities and i know the campaign team will keep the public informed as that goes forward. >> sorry, that, jonathan is the wrong piece of sound from the former vice president but he said on the phone call when he was talking to governors he said i would encourage you all to talk about these things to make sure and continue to explain to your citizens the magnitude of the increase in testing. most of the cases we're seeing some marginal rise in number. that's more a result of the extraordinary work you're doing meaning testing, and from the governor of florida, ron desapties just today, florida's actively searching for covid-positive individuals to provide immediate treatment and governor desantis saying it's because we're testing. no question because they are testing, but -- >> well, john, he's coaching them up to try to get them on message to say that the reason

that you're seeing these spikes is actually part of a silver lining in the cloud, that this is because of the increase in testing which, of course, it is directly related to the political imperatives that the administration is facing. this is an election year, as you mentioned. they have to have an explanation for why after months and months of quarantining and now an effort to let folks go back out that we're seeing this spike in positive cases, and the easy answer for them if not the fully truthful answer is because there is more testing. but, john, is this is a real challenge for the administration. this president wants to get his rallies back. he lives for those political rallies. he does not want to be denied any longer, but he's going back on the trail at the very moment where a lot of states in this country are seeing spikes and rates in positive rates and not just because of the increase in testing. it's going to create a huge challenge for them. >> including the state of

oklahoma where the rally is scheduled on saturday. you heard in that clip from the vice president that they are looking potentially at another venue. sanjay, we can put up on the screen the number of cases in oklahoma, the arrow and trend line is heading in the wrong direction and when you look at the oklahoma cases, i mean, simple medical question, should the president be having this rally and putting thousands of people in one venue, and what difference would it make if they are serious to this change of venue if they went from some indoor stadium to an outdoor one? >> the answer is no. there's not a way that you can say there's ways to do it safe. by the way, when you look at the graph, one-fifth of the patients infected in oklahoma throughout this entire, you know, pandemic have been within the last week, so they are definitely heading in the wrong direction, right, and that makes a difference. the virus is clearly spreading in that community. now if it's an indoor event, 20,000 people, my understanding was the capacity of the arena

was 20,000 people so no physical distancing, handing out masks but not requiring people to wear them, a carnival-like atmosphere, people yelling and shouting, i see that as disbursing virus into the environment when you're doing that. that's the worst case scenario. look, i'm not saying anything magical here. that is known. it's a contagious virus. put it in an indoor environment without masks and a lot of people yelling, that's how the super spreading events begin. people go back to their communities. spread it to their families or communities. that's the significance. it can cause a significant cluster and outdoor of cases. outdoors better than indoors, yes, because you have a larter space for dispersion of the virus. >> go ahead. >> i think there's huge pressure on the president and campaign to move a lot of the events in summer months to outdoor venues. i think that's going to be real

pressure on them because a lot of the protests against police brutality are obviously outdoors and for both optics and just for pure science i think you're going to see them push to go outside more going into the summer here. >> and what does it tell us, that this is both a medical question and political question i guess and i'll go to dr. gupta first that dr. fauci has not spoken to or briefed the president in a couple of weeks. what the does that tell you, sanjay? again, you can make the case if you want to make the case that we knew the case count would go up when we reopened, that the administration can make the case they believe it's manageable. the best way to make the case is to talk repeatedly to the american public which they decided to stop doing. what does it tell you that the president and dr. fauci, no briefing, no conversation in a couple of weeks. >> i talk to dr. fauci on a regular basis, and, you know, i think -- >> you find it helpful? >> he's a truth teller. >> yeah. >> i find it helpful and he's a

truth teller. no one likes what's happening now in the country, nobody. it's tough on everyone, but the truths need to be told, you know. there needs to be an honest out there and dr. fauci is one of those people. the fact that the president is not leaning on him when other public health agencies all over the world lean on him. he's not just considered this person of knowledge here in the united states but around the world i think it's a loss. that's a loss for the country not to be hearing from him on a regular basis and it makes me worry that people are not wanting to hear from him because they don't like what he has to say. you know, i don't enjoy it either, but we all need to be hearing this. >> sometimes we have to eat our peas or listen to the experts. the president might have a different agenda. appreciate your insights. we'll be right back. tweeted, 'remember when any footlong was five dollars?' hit it, charlie. ♪ oh, you're five, ♪ five. ♪ five-dollar, ♪ five dollar ♪ five-dollar footlong. ♪ it's freshly made ♪ with veggies. ♪ it's back. five-dollar footlongs are back when you buy two. for a limited time.

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a truly stunning economic number this morning. retail sales in may were up 17.7%. that's the biggest up-month jump on record. shoppers flocking back to newly reopened stores. it's a much bigger number, more than twice the 8% economists were predicting, and it shores up the hope that the reopening of the economy could bring a

bounce bang investors are looking for, and you can see investors are happy. the reaction to the dow now up 531 points, 527 as it moves. cnn's julia chatterley is with us, a stunning number and also a reminder that it's coming back from a ditch. >> reporter: that's such a great point. this is such a dramatic rebound by anybody's standards. it's positive news. it's the strongest month ever but context here is key, unfortunately. to your point, it comes from a low base. we've gone through two months of dramatic drops in retail sales, so there was a lot of pent-up demand with people stuck at home waiting to get out there and spend, and as you can see from these numbers in may they actually did, and it's happening sooner than we expected. it's also painting a picture of what people were buying as well, consumer electronics, clothing, things that we weren't pike when we were operating under shutdowns versus groceries we were buying more of and not going to restaurants and things.

we also had the benefit of people receiving stimulus checks in the month of may. we also have the benefits of the bumpup, the $600 increase in unemployment benefits. remember, that ends next month if congress don't act to extend them so while i'm positive and optimistic about this may's numbers, i want to see what happens in july and august before i get more confident. now, jay powell of the federal reserve talking today, he said, look, we're beginning to see the starts of a rebound here, but his most poignant message here, and i want to bring that to you, is on racism in america, and when we see this recovery kick in it has to be more inclusive. listen in. >> i speak for my colleagues throughout the federal reserve system when i say there's no place at the fed for racism, and there should be no place for it in our society. everyone deserves the opportunity to participate fully in our society and in america. >> a strong message from a central bank governor one hour

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president trump just moments away from a speech and his executive order on police reforms. the move comes amidst some unprecedented action just three weeks and a day after george floyd was killed by minneapolis police. more than a dozen big cities already taking action on reforming their police departments, including the two largest, los angeles and new york, plus the nation's capital, denver, austin, louisville and, of course, minneapolis where floyd's life was taken and half a dozen states taking measures to improve our officers interact with the public, including iowa, pennsylvania and the nation's largest most populous state california and joining me now is attorney general javier becerra. i want to get to your proposals in a moment. we're waiting for all the final details but let's start with what we know. one things the president of the united states will do today is announce a new data-sharing, national database of bad cops,

full. police officers who have repeated use of force complaints against them. how important, how significant might that be in helping and having a national database to help your effort in your state and other states? >> well, certainly we want to make sure we can track those officers that is are bad apples. we want to make sure that we can keep them off other offices, but i hope we're going to go further than that. california has gone much further than, that and i hope the country is prepared to take the country far further than that. >> how much should this be fed? lay out what you think he should do. how much should be federal and how much left to state law enforcement leaders like yourself? >> there are some baselines out there. things include making sure to decertify officers who are proven to be bad apples, that we can make sure that we have certain levels of use of force that apply across the board so that whether you're going from

one agency in law enforcement to another you know that you have to try to de-escalate, for example, when it comes to the use of force. you know that you have to report a fellow officer who may have overused force. you know you have to act to stop an officer from using force, that is beyond the policies of your agency. things that are pretty basic that we now know can be implemented on not just a statewide basis but across the country. >> because of the size of california, because of the diversity of california and when you get into a big experiment like this, it's often a national leader, a place that you look to see what's working and not working. your proposal when you get to police reforms requires officers to intervene and when excessive force is being used, other officers have to intervene. the banning chokeholds and de-escalating prior to using force and requiring the use of deadly force only to be used as a last resort. you go through that, and it

seems like common accepts, but it is hard to get these practices into the bloodstream, if you will. how important is it that you codify these in california? >> well, that's what we've done. we've put them into california's bloodstream. last year a bill, senate bill 230 codified many of those policy reforms. most of those reforms came from a report that we issued in the department of justice here in california with regard to the review of the sacramento police department after the shooting of stefan clark, and so here in california we have, as you said, put those recommendations into the state's bloodstream, and we believe that most of the agencies in california are not only going to be implementing those by january of 2021, but i think many of those law enforcement agencies here in our state will be trying to act before january 1st, 2021 to get those in place. >> and help me with your practice, if you will. there's resistance sometimes from maybe it's the police unions who think you're trying

to go too far, trying to dictate behavior that sometimes can't be dictated or can't be legislated in an environment. what do you see as the key to breaking down that barrier, to getting the cooperation you need from the force and the unions? >> interestingly enough, earlier this week several of our largest police unions put out a full page spread in several newspapers talking about the reforms that they are not only supporting but urging adoption of, and so i think in california we're seeing this trend where our rank and file officers are joining with their supervisors, the chiefs, the sheriffs, the california department of justice, to say they want to be part of the solution, and so i think that's where we need to go. clearly we have a ways to go. that doesn't mean you'll get rid of all the bad apples, but i would hope we would not paint every law enforcement agency or law enforcement officer with the same broad brush because there are a whole bunch of good men and women who are trying to take us to that next level.

>> that's a very important point. before i let you go i want to ask you about two horrific cases. you have two black men hanged ten days apart in different california cities. what's the latest on what you know? do you see any connection at all, and where are these investigations going? >> first to the families of these two victims, and we -- i spoke to the family of mr. fuller, robert fuller, who was found hung, hanging in palmdale, california. the it's just tragic, and the circumstances make you cringe. i will tell you this this. i believe the authorities will do everything possible to try to investigate and come up with some answers. i have sent my investigators down working with the los angeles county police department to be part of that investigation, to assess what's been done and then to continue to assist in that investigation,

to have some independent eyes on this. we're going to try to get to the to the bottom of it. there's another hanging that occurred in victorville. we're in communication with the authorities there. we want to give people the sense that we can do a proper investigation. >> javier becerra, thank for your time today. >> thank you. coming up, the pandemic, a supreme court ruling on gay and transgender rights, all at once. keep your laundry pacs s in a safe place and your child safer. to close, twist until it clicks. tide pods child-guard packaging.

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. context is hard when things are moving so quickly. there are protests in the streets and an important, if

uncertain, conversation about race in america. there is also a global pandemic with many, many chapters yet to unfold. in the middle of all that the supreme court drops landmark ruling for gay and transgender americans. in 20 weeks we pick a president. on moments like this historians are busy and julian zeleny is a busy one at princeton university. julian, i wanted you in today to ask the question in 50 years may be a different answer but today where are we when you see this swirling at once? a number of different ingredients but poured into the casserole at once? >> well, we are in the middle of one of those historic moments. we are seeing early stages of a social rights movement that we saw in other periods like the 1960s, but layered on a global pandemic that we haven't really experienced since earlier in the 20th century, and that puts

aside all of the other issues that we face as a nation beyond these two issues. i think we are going to look back 50 years and i don't know where this is going to go but i think this will be a critical turning point year that we don't forget. >> some of this takes roots. when you have a supreme court within five years legalizes same-sex marriage and five years later saying you can't discriminate in the work force against gay and transgender americans and those are supreme court decisions including written the decision yesterday by a trump an appointed justice that have roots. we are not sure what is happening on the surface the protests what they look like down the road as you mention. is the country moving? some of this is moving and the rest is a question mark? is that fair? >> well, look. it's a question mark, but there are progressive impulses that are clearly there. the supreme court ruling is a result of decades of work bill the gay rights movement since the 1960s which culminates in

political leaders and justices changing their opinion of what the status quo is. now we are seeing a movement that is also pushing the issue of institutional racism to the forefront of public discussion. neither of these are drawing small support. they have a lot of support in the population which indicates to me that this is not an aberration, that we might be moving into a different kind of political period than we have lived through since the reagan presidency. >> and you have, i know you write about this, the swinging of the pendulum in history and you you get a backlash whether that is wallace or nixon or reagan. this president sometimes sounds like a wallace or nixon in his rhetoric. is what we are seeing on the streets a reaction to him? or is it a bigger moment and what -- we don't know what the reaction to it will be. is that fair? >> i think it's a bigger moment. i think a lot of the issues on the streets have been brewing a

long time. certainly the black lives matter movement started before trump was president and these questions really have been on the table for decades, not just a few years. but at the same time, having president trump in office and having the kind of politics that he stands for in washington certainly accelerated the movement that has been forming and, at the same time, the pandemic exposed a lot of the flaws in american society such as the inequality that we have now lived with for a long time. all of this comes together through a video that simply of george floyd's horrendous murder that simply exploded the moment. >> simply exploded the moment. well put. julian zeleny, we will continue the conversation. that is fascinating, if uncertain, moment. thank you very much. still ahead for us, president trump is moments away from a big executive order on police reform. we will be live at the white house next. 'remember when any footlong was five dollars?' hit it, charlie. ♪ oh, you're five, ♪ five.

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