hello to our viewers around the united states and around the world. i'm john king. the crowd is socially distancinging in the rose garden. a new national database to track police officers are repeated abuse complaints. as we wait for the president,

listen. an attorney for rayshard brooks who was shot and killed friday after a 27-minute encounter at an atlanta wendy's the attorney saying what happened to his young client could happen to every black man in america. >> it's very much personal. i'm rayshard brooks. i'm george floyd. it's happened to me. it's happened to my friends. it's happened to my father. and every other black person i know. so we are all the same. so when we fight these battles, we are fighting them from a place of knowledge and really from the heart. >> let's get straight to cnn's at the white house. >> we have gotten a good overview of what is going to be in here. >> reporter: these are the first concrete steps you're seeing the president take in the wake of george floyd's address to take it in a successful manner. this is a modern order. it's talking about establishing

a national database and strengthening it on tracking the excessive use of force among officers. it really incentivizes replies to use a better set of practices when it comes to the foresight they are using. they want to try to set this basically a national standard of the use of force they are going to do but doesn't threaten to withhold that funding but prioritizes it for certain tepts who follow those practices and encouraging them to do so. it also comes up with this idea of having thee coresponders. basically social worker type people to go with police officers and others when they are responding to emergencies because they believe that can help when it comes to the mental health capacity, homelessness, drug use, things like that as officers are responding to some of these calls. but one thing it doesn't address is really the chokehold situation. that is a big decision going on with democrats and republicans as they try to come up with their legislation on capitol hill.

one thing he heard is the white house is working on this executive order and meeting with law enforcement officials, families who have members who have been killed bill the police. and really the president was concerned about alienating police officers by going too far in an executive order. what you're seeing from this is basically they are calling on congress, the white house, i mean, is calling on congress to really come up and do the heavy lifting when it comes to this. that is still a big question. we don't know that congress is actually going to pass anything. you're seeing some doubt from republicans that they can even vote on a bill before the july 4th recess holiday they are going to take. really, it is turning to congress with this executive order and that is still a really big question and even inside the white house about whether that is actually going to happen. >> interesting point as we wait for the president to see what he proposes today. we know from much easier debates they have gone off the rails when the president doesn't weigh in specifically because of the divides in congress and see if he does on this one which is much more difficult. we will be back to the white house momentarily.

up to capitol hill now. manu, what is the big debate there? what do republicans want and what are they hesitant to do? >> senate republicans and house democrats are on separate tracks on a police overhaul measure. the house democrats moving faster. they plan to vote on a committee tomorrow and full vote in the house next week. the senate republicans have a different plan and different time frame. one question under consideration right now is whether or not they will actually take up and vote on that senate republican plan before the fourth of july holiday. afterwards there is a two-week recess that will take place and that means if they wait until after that recess it wouldn't be until july 20th that week when the senate would take up its plan and a question whether or not it would have the votes to get out of the chamber. the senate republican plan differs in a lot of key ways than this house democrat plan. according to the senate republican plan it would have states take action and the author of that plan tim scott told me he does want to have a plan that would allow

essentially states to be incentivized to outlaw the chokeholds to make federal money a policy to ban such tactics and allows for a review of those so-called no-knock warrants. that is different. the house democratic plan which would want no-knock warrants in drug cases and house republicans -- the senate republican plan also would increase body camera funding but as far as the house democratic plan would actually require federal office law enforcement officers to way body cameras and also the house senate democratic plan calls for changes so-called qualified immunity to make sure officers and civil court can essentially be sued in civil court if an individual's constitutional rights have been infringed. expect the republican plan to be rolled out in the coming days. the question is will it have enough support or will senate democrats themselves get behind it? so far they have not.

tim scott raised questions to me about whether or not the senate democrats are being urged not to sign on to that plan. democrats are saying they want to see it first but two different plans, john, two different time frames. question is can they come together in this key moment and question is whether they will be satisfied when president rolls out in a malts of moments here. >> fascinating moment given what is happening on the streets of america and given than election 20 weeks from today. cnn' manu raju, thank you. dane dana bash and van jones and others are joining me now. can something be modest and helpful at the same time? >> absolutely. look. i'm looking at this with one lens and one lens only. how will this help stop these horrible videos we are seeing, killings we are seeing?

i've been part of this moment 25 years. two things i think you have to be happy about, one, we have been calling for a database for bad cops for 30 years. and the federal government tracks everything on earth but bad cops. if you can get that, you give a weapon and a tool to good police chiefs and communities across the country. if that happens today, you got to be excited about that. second thing this idea of coresponders. everybody goes what is that? it blows it off. we have been begging for this 20 years. send somebody to these incidents that can talk people down and not shoot them down. quit sending police officers with weapons to people who are having mental health issues, about 20% of these cases are mental health issues that we are overpolicing. if all we get out of the day is a national registry for bad cops, which we have never is, ever had, and incentive now for coresponders so we can talk people down and not shoot people down? that is real progress.

look. congress has to do way more. the president may want to do way more. as somebody who cares about these videos and what is happening in communities, two good things could happen today. i want to see the language but two good things could happen today and we will take what we can get. ordinary people have forced this and a first step and could be many more but something good could happen today. >> do you agree with that, especially in the idea of this registry? >> yes, i do. absolutely. i feel that what the president is doing is a major step in the right direction. it's something that is long overdue in this country. at john jay, i teach my students how difficult the criminal justice system is and for one of those -- one of the reasons why it's so difficult is because there are different laws and policies and procedures throughout the different states in this country. the fact that we are heading into the direction of a national

reform, some national policies that will cover all law enforcement agencies within the united states is a great step. it's long overdue. >> dana, as the president does this, you can't ignore the calendar and what is happening on the streets of america today and you cannot ignore whether we are talking about george floyd or rayshard brooks or wind the tape back more you can't ignore the videos van keeps talking about. the protests in the streets took nor can you ignore an election 20 weeks from today. the question for this president is how far is he willing to go from his constant refrain of law and order? is he willing to do that? >> well, the fact he is signing an executive order that has any kind of federal role says that he is willing to do that a bit. it does not mean he is notgoing to keep going with the rhetoric of law and order. as we know, the rhetoric matters a lot when you're talking about a president -- or any president,

or any leader, because that is ample amplified down the state and local level. one thing i want to be say here and i don't want the to be debbie err here with this executive order but i think it's something to keep in mind, van has been talking about this a quarter of a century because that is one of the most important tools for bad cops to be stopped so that you know that if they have a record in city a, they can't be hired in city b because city b didn't know about it. the issue with this executive order is that there is no funding that is directly tied to it. it is encouraged, it is incentivized but not mandated and one of the many things that congress will have to look at if they want this to be done properly. i can defer to your other guest, john, you have a lot of police departments in this country who

might say, okay, i know that this is what the president wants, but i don't have to do it because it's not mandated. >> van, come in on that point. you say this is a positive first step if you get these two things out today a national database for registry of bad cops and an emphasis support for the idea of co-responders and other people respond with police who is somebody is there and trained to deescalate a situation. if you call that today progress from the white house, what else must the federal government do? we can talk in a moment about every city and every state is going through this debate but what other national standards, national requirements, national prohibitions do you think are necessary at this moment? >> well, a number of things. the big problem you have is what you call i didn't know pun impu. too many police officers in too many places and can't be fired because of union rules and can't be -- you can't sue cops because

of qualified immunity and hard to jail cops because prosecutors are reluctant to do that and so is juries. it's hard to control their behavior. congress has to go beyond what the president is doing. you've got to do something at some point about qualified immunity and give chiefs more tools to get rid of bad cops because it's so hard to hack through all of the bubble wrapping of red tape around bad cops or there because of the union rules. you have to hack through that stuff. i want to say one thing. dana is 100% correct. how you enforce this, how you implement this is going to be really important. one thing that i think i'm looking for today, what is law enforcement's reaction? with the obama administration, it was very hard to bring law enforcement along in the moment of black lives matter and so you kind of had, you know, i think the obama administration did some stuff i wish the trump administration would reimplement but we didn't have law enforcement support.

if you could have a situation where trump can get law enforcement support for some reforms and the democrats and congress can bring in the community demands, you could wind up with a pretty interesting buy-in to whatever gets done. not only do you have to do it, you have to have buy-in. i'm looking to see what law enforcement, will they support the first step? will they oppose it? that is key whether this makes a difference to anybody in the real world. >> we will see some of that reaction at the event you see people gathered on the right side of your screen is the rose garden and some law enforcement presented there and america's top law enforcement there bill barr in the middle of your screen talking as well. i want to come back to the scene in a minute. alfred titus, i want to bring you to van's point. law enforcement buy-in. you hear about the blue shield and blue wall and resistance sometimes to these investigations. do you sense that is changing as we have watched this national moment of reckoning, these two recent cases, rayshard brooks and george floyd? obviously stirring up the history of so many, way too many

other cases. do you see that moment where law enforcement is willing to come to the table on this? or is there still resistance? >> yes, i do some changes being made. i feel like for instance in new york where the commissioner is making some changes with regard to plain clothes and anticrime units, i see change happening and everything that is happening is positive. it is going to take time. it is going to take everyone coming to the table, law enforcement. and administrators and community. but it is change that is positive and that is happening. although this is just a first step with the president making this national announcement today, that these changes need to be spread more into policing. we need to go back as far as recruitment, background investigations, training.

all of these things need to be looked at so that we can have a comprehensive police reform and if it's national and if we can get national acceptance, it's an even better thing. this time that we are in right now is monumental for these changes to take place and i see them happening. i see them here in new york. not all of them are going to be welcomed by police departments and by police administrations, but it's a starting point where we can come to the table and discuss what actually turns out to be the final plan. >> the guests are being asked to take their seats in the rose garden and we expect the president any second here. dana bash, we are watching two big national debates at once. a big debate about police relation and policing in the united states. you see some of the guests here wearing masks like the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell and the attorney general not and chief of staff of the president of the united states not. therapy standing up.

heres fr heres from president of the united states. he will not wear a mask. the two major moments, two major crises of america on display in the rose garden as we wait to has err from president of the united states as he passes his aides and will announce his announcement on policing reforms. let's listen to the president. >> thank you very much. please. and thank you all for being here as we take historic action to deliver a future of safety and security for americans of every race, religion, color, and decreed. we are joined today by law enforcement professionals and community leaders. though we may all come from different places and different backgrounds, we are united by

our desire to ensure peace and dignity and equality for all americans. i've just concluded a meeting with incredible families, just incredible families that have been through so much. the families of ahmaud arbery, antoine rose, jamel roberson and jefferson and michael dean and darius tarvar and cameron lamb and everitt palmer. these are incredible people. incredible people. and it's so sad. many of these families lost their loved ones in deadly interactions with police. to all of the hurting families, i want you to know that all

americans mourned by your side, your loved ones will not have died in vain. we are one nation. we grieve together. and we heal together. i can never imagine your pain or the depth of your anguish but i can promise to fight for justice for all of our people and i gave a commitment to all of those families today with senator tim scott and attorney general bill barr. we are going to pursue what we said we will be pursuing it and we will be pursuing it strongly, tim, right? okay. i want to recognize attorney general bill barr who spent so much time on this and other matters like this. bill, thank you very much for being here. great job you're doing.

along with senate majority leader mitch mcconnell and tim scotland and therapy going to be working on a senate bill also that could go hand in hand with this. and also representatives kelly armstrong, louie gomort and jim jordan and guy and pete stauber. thanks also to florida attorney general ashley moody. the president of the fraternal order of police pat yost. president of the international association of chiefs of police, steven cass stevens and many other law enforcement leaders who are going to be joining me at the signing. today is about pursuing common sense and fighting -- fighting for a cause like we seldom get the chance to fight for. we have to find common ground. but i strongly oppose the

radical endanger and efforts to dismantle and dissolve our police departments especially now when we have achieved the lowest recorded crime rates in recent history. americans know the truth. without police, there is case os. without law, there is anarchy and without safety, there is catastrophe. we need leaders of every level of government that the moral clarity to state these obvious facts. americans believe we must support the brave men and women in blue who police our streets and keep us safe. americans also believe we must improve accountability, increase transparency, and invest more resources in police training, recruiting, and community engagement. reducing crime and raising standards are not opposite goals, they are not hugely exclusive, they work together, they all work together.

that is why today i'm signing an executive order encouraging police departments nationwide to adopt the highest professional standards to serve their communities. these standards will be as high and as strong as there is on earth. the vast majority of police officers are self-less and courageous public servants and therapy great men and women. when others run away from danger, police run straight into harm's way, observe putting their lives at stake to protect someone who they don't know or never even met. great danger. police officers run straight toward this incredible harm, take the world trade center, they ran straight into the twin

towers of 9/11. many of them never returned, never returned. vast numbers of new york's finest never returned. last year, i presented the medal of valor to six heroic police officers who ended a murderous rampage in dayton, ohio. hundreds of people would have been killed, surely without them. we ask our police to put on the uniform and risk their lives for us every day. the least we deserve and the least we can do because they deserve it so much. they have to get our gratitude and we have to give them great respect for what they do for the job as one of the most dangerous jobs on earth, one of the most difficult jobs on earth. last year alone, 89 law

enforcement officers were killed in the line of duty. in recent days, two members of law enforcement were killed amid riots and looting and hundreds of police officers were injured just recently. one officer was shot in the head and is now laying in a hospital almost totally paralyzed. despite our very good record on crime, law and order must be further restored nationwide and your federal government is ready, willing, and able to help as we did in minneapolis after it got out of control for four days. we sent in representatives commonly known as the national guard, and it was all put down very quickly. we are willing to help in seattle. we are willing to help anywhere you want and we will be there very quickly.

it won't take long. there will be no more looting or arson and the penalty will be very grave for those who get caug caught. violence and destruction will not be tolerated. we cannot do that. the looters have no cause this they are fighting for. just trouble. every day, police officers make great sacrifices to keep our community secure and safe. in 2018, our police arrested nearly 12,000 people for murder, 25,000 people would rape, and nearly 1.5 million for assault. very dangerous criminals. in many cases, local law enforcement is underfunded, understaffed, and undersupport. 47% of all murders in chicago

and 68% of all murders in baltimore went without arrests last year. americans want law and order. they demand law and order. they may not say it, they may not be talking about it, but that's what they want. some of them don't know that is what they want but that is what they want. they understand that when you remove the police, you hurt those who have the least the most. nobody needs a strong trustworthy police force more than those who live in sdref distressed areas and no one is more opposed to the small number of bad police officers -- and you have them -- they are very tiny. i use the word tiny. it's a very small percentage, but you have them. but nobody wants to get rid of them more than the overwhelming number of really good and great

police officers. some of them are standing with me and with me in the audience today and i appreciate you being here. thank you. thank you. great job. what is needed now is not more stoking of fear and division. we need to bring law enforcement and communities closer together, not to drive them apart. under the executive order i'm signing today, we will prioritize federal grants from the department of justice to police departments and seek independent credentialing, certifying they meet high standards and in certain cases, the highest standard. that's where they do the best on the use of force and deescalation training. for example, many believe that proper training might have prevented the tragic deaths of antoine rose and bothan john.

as part of this new process, chokeholds will be banned except if an officer's life is at risk. i will say we have dealt with all of the various departments and everybody said it's time. we have to do it. additionally, we are looking at least powerful and less lethal weapons to help prevent deadly interactions. new twdevice are developed all e time and we are looking at the best of them and cost is no object, no object. under this executive order, departments will also need a share of information about credible abuses so that officers with significant issues do not simply move from one police department to the next. that's a problem and the heads of our police departments said whatever you can do about that, please let us know.

we are letting you know. we are doing a lot about it. in addition my order will direct federal funding to support officers in dealing with homeless individuals and those who have mental illness and substance abuse problems. we will provide more resources for co-responders such as social workers who can help officers matter these complex encounters. this is what they have studied and worked on all of their lives. they understand how to do it. we are going to get the best of them put in our police departments and working with our police. we will have reform without undermining our many great and extremely talented law enforcement officers. president obama and vice president biden never even tried to fix this during their eight-year period. the reason they didn't try is because they had no idea how to do it. and it is a complex situation.

beyond the steps we are taking today, i am committed to working with congress on additional measures. congress has started already and they will be having bills coming out of the senate and possibly out of the house. hopefully, they will all get together and they will come up with a solution that goes even beyond what we are signing today but this is a big, big step, a step that hasn't been taken before. but in order to make real progress on public safety, we have to break old patterns of failure. many of the same politicians now presenting themselves as the solution are the same ones who have failed for decades on schools, jobs, justice, and crime. they are all often,

unfortunately, the same politicians running the cities and states where help is most needed. it's an attitude. and it's not working. today's action is a big part of the solution to restoring, renewing, and rebuilding our communities. for the last three and a half years, my administration has been focused on creating opportunity, fighting for equal justice, and truly delivering results. nobody has ever delivered results. like we have delivered, nobody has come close. and we work with some great people. we work with fantastic people to get it done. we enacted landmark criminal justice reform, something that nobody else could get done. they tried and they couldn't even come close so we got it done and we got it done

powerfully and people appreciated it. but it's something that with all of the work and all of the talk for so many years, criminal justice reform, nobody else could get done. we secured permanent and record funding for hbcus. that is historically black colleges and universities. numbers that they never thought were possible and long-term financing because they would come back to the white house after my third year, i said, why are you here again? great people, about 42 people, the heads of black colleges on universities. great people. they do such an incredible job. i'd see them after the third year. i say why are you doing this? we need money again. i said don't we set it so you have like a ten-year program? a five-year program? no, sir. for years and years, we have had to come back every single year. i said, well, the only bad thing

about what i'm going to do is i'm going to give you long-term financing and i'm going to um the amount but i won't get to see you any more so that is the bad part. but you can focus on education now instead of worrying about dealing with us in washington. so we did that for the historically black colleges and universities. i'm very proud of it. they are incredible. they are incredible people. got to know a lot of the helead of chose colleges. they do an unbelievable job and don't get the notoriety they deserve. we expanded better health options for health care and we created opportunity zones with senator tim scott, he brought it to me. we didn't know if we could get it past him, right? we got it passes and i think probably one of the great things we have done in this administration. tens of thousands of jobs, billions and billions of dollars being brought into areas and neighborhoods that would never, ever, ever be taken care of

monetarily. areas that didn't have ten cents in nthem for years and decadede. now people are investing and thriving and the jobs have come back. we achieved the lowest black and hispanic and asian unemployment rates in american history and we will do it again. we will do it again. we are fighting for school choice which really is the civil rights of all time in this country. frankly, school choice is the civil rights statement of the year, of the decade, and probably beyond, because all children have to have access to quality education. a child's zip code in america should never determine their future and that is what was happening. so we are very, very strong on school choice and i hope everybody remembers that and it's happening. it's already happened but it's

happening. we have tremendous opposition from people that know they shouldn't be opposing it. school choice. all children deserve equal opportunity because we are all made equal by god. so true. a great jobs market and thriving economy is probably the best thing that we can do to help the black, hispanic, asian communities. we saw that just recently prior to the virus that came in from china just a few months ago. what a horrible thing it was all over the world. 188 countries now. i just want to say we have done incredibly well. we are doing well. things are happening that nobody can even believe. our country is opening up and it's opening up rapidly. we had the best unemployment and employment.

we had the best unemployment and employment numbers. think of that. in the history of our country, up to almost 160 million people working. there was never anything even close. that is for almost every group, including black, hispanic, asian, women, young people, old people, young people without a high school diploma. every group. everybody was thrilled. everybody had, just about, high paying jobs. our country was never in a better position and we were planning on massive growth. it was happening. it was already there. including big salary increases which were already taking place for the last two and a half years. big, big increases. record increases. nobody has seen anything like it. then we got hit by the virus, along with the rest of the

world, and now i'm building it up again. here we go again but i'm building it up again and it's moving fast and it will be even better than before because we also learned we will be better than before. jobs are rapidly coming back. and retail sales that were just announced two hours ago, just a a little while ago, they are up a staggering 17.7%. amazing. the projection was anywhere from 6 to 8%. we are up 17.7%. and what does that mean? the stock market went through the roof. these good numbers, they drove it up to a level that we are almost at the same level. hard to believe that we are close to the level we were before the pandemic and before all of the things that you've

seep happen happened. that is a great thing because, ultimately, it's about jobs, it's about -- the government can never do anything like a great job for a person where they look forward to getting up in the morning and going to work and getting a much bigger check than they could ever get otherwise. today and over the last 60 days, we have had one of the biggest stock market increases in the history of the stock markets. and two weeks ago, the 50-day increase was the single biggest. unless my formula is tampered with, we will soon be in a stronger position than we were before the plague came in from china, when the numbers reached the point that i know they will, there will again be a great unity and a great spirit in our country. people will have that job back that they might have lost. they will be making even more

money than they did before. we have some brilliant people working with me and put it together. we did it once and we are very easily doing it again. we are way ahead of schedule. you'll see that. you'll see the third quarter numbers will be very good. you'll see fourth quarter will be really good and you'll see next year will be one of the best economic years this country has ever had. it's all happening very quickly way ahead of schedule and i think you'll see that. people can't believe what they are looking at. on top of all of that before the ends of the year i predict we will have a very successful vaccine therapeutic and cure. we are making tremendous progress. i deal with these incredible scientists, doctors very, very closely. i have great respect for their minds.

and they have come up with things and they have come up with many other cures and therapeutics over the years. these are the people, the best, the smartest, the best anywhere and they have come up with the aids vaccine, they have come up with -- or there are various things and now various companies are involved. but the therapeutic for aids -- aids was a death sentence and now people live a life with a pill. it's an incredible thing. ebola vaccine and others, these are the people that have done it or these are the people that have been around it and they are all competing. it's an incredible thing. all of these brilliant firms, labs companies are competing and i will tell you we are very far advanced. we are already started tests and trials. so i think we are going to have a very, very good answer to that

very, very soon. i always say even without it, it goes away, but if we had the vaccine and we will, if we had therapeutic or cure, one thing sort of blends into the other. it will be a fantastic day and i think that is going to happen and it's going to happen very soon. americans can achieve anything when we work together as one national family. to go forward, we must seek cooperation, not confrontation. we must build upon our heritage, not tear it down, and we must cherish the principles of america's founding, as we strive to deliver safe, beautiful, elegant justice and liberty for all. i'd like now to invite our great friends, because they are our great friends from law

enforcement. the officers representing their groups to come up as i sign a very important executive order. we are asking mitch and tim and all of the people that are here from congress to go back and see if they can get something done. i see lilly and jim jordan. if the representatives from senate and congress can go back and add to what we are signing today, it will be a big moment. this is a tremendous step. this is a step that could have been taken years ago but people chose not to do that. that was, in my opinion, a big mistake. could have solved a lot of the problems that we have now. so, if i could, law enforcement, if you could come forward. please come up. we have had the endorsement of the federal law enforcement officers association, the fraternal order of police,

international association of chiefs of police, international union of police associations, major county sheriffs of america association, national association of police organizations, national district attorneys association, national sheriffs association, sergeants benevolent association, and many others. they have worked on this with me and my team and have been fantastic. i want to thank my team. what a team it is. we have have taken very much into mind what they are saying because these are the people that keep us safe and they have done an incredible job. thank you all very much. thank you.

thank you very much. >> thank you, mr. president. >> take one of these. >> president of the united states handing out sharpie pens to the leaders of major law enforcement organizations. he spoke for nearly 25 minutes. >> thank you very much. thank you. >> waiting there to see if he was going to take questions. he is heading back into the white house heading left from the rose garden. that is the oval office.

he is turning now to head in there. questions being shouted. the president not answering. he spoke about 25 minutes and his subject was the executive order you watched him sign on police reforms and a national database of so-called bad cops and police with repeated complaints about excessive use of force against them. the president taking the opportunity to deliver a very tough law and order message. also veering off to talk about the coronavirus and economy as well and call it the rose garden strategy. the president using his time in the rose garden today to spoke for some 25 minutes. let's bring back into our conversation cnn's van jones and cnn's dana bash. van, we watched the scene in the rose garden there. there is the attorney general and members of congress and members of law enforcement administrations and others in there. tim scott in the red tie to left of your screen is on efforts of

capitol hill to see if there is additional police reform efforts and he is leading the police reform effort in the united states senate. we talked before the president's speech of the elements of the executive order you think are very important. is it fair to say you found them to be wrapped in a speech that you were not so welcoming of? >> well, listen. i think there are two things here. one is the speech and one is the executive order. the executive order is a good thing. mainly because you saw the supported of law enforcement there. that gives you a sense of where the bottom is, where the floor is for reform and that floor is higher than it has been. there is movement in the direction of a database for bad cops. we have never had a federal database for bad cops and why these cops go lomp the place doing bad stuff. the idea that you have de-escalators now and not shoot people down and not choke people. the chokehold is common ground

between nancy pelosi and the president there. the speech started with unity and then moved to politics that people will fight back and tried to come back to yunelity at the end. all of that stuff is classic trump and it will go tomorrow but what is in place. a new floor, a higher floor for congress now to depart from that includes law enforcement support for data, for deescalators and for training and chokeholds. i think progress has been made and muddied i think by a speech that was, you know, really i think, you know, over the line in a lot of ways if you're trying to go for unity but i think the speech goes away over time. i think the progress that the people have made in getting even the trump white house, the republicans, and now law enforcement along with democrats, to take steps forward is really powerful. i also know about the meeting that happened behind closed doors. i'd be happy to talk about. but i think the speech, i don't give it a high rating but the executive order is a step in the right direction.

>> let me come back to your -- you relayed to me some of the emotions behind the scene and come back to in a moment. former philadelphia police chief ramsey. to van's point, chief, we can talk about the politics of the speech and i'll do that in a moment. in terms of the substance here, has the floor been raised as van notes about the idea that you have momentum, consensus, law enforcement, and a republican president on board for, in your view, are these significant lasting and important reforms? >> there is absolutely no question in my mind that the floor has been raised. listen, two months ago, we wouldn't have had the speech. and so i think it's important moving in the right direction. obviously, there is some things that need to be flushed out. but this is a good start and, you know, the acknowledgment you need to have some kind of

national database, de-escalation training and having teams of people respond to some of these calls instead of just police officers that have the expertise to be able to, you know, deep-escalate adeep de-escalate and dealing with the crisis. having some licensing of officers that would certainly be at the state level for the most part. but these are things that i think are very positive and moves in the right direction. i know republicans and democrats are each coming up and drafting more specific bills but it gives me an indication that there is some way in which people can come together and come up with something that is workable and that is going to make a difference and that is what is important. >> so dana, the chief talked about the substance of these proposals and the politics of the proposals. the president did lean in and say he wanted to support efforts on capitol hill and see if that gives republicans momentum. see it gives them enough

momentum. the president signed this executive order. he brought in families of victims so that tells you it steers you to the idea the president is trying to create a unifying and growing message but listen to his remarks. he talked about sending the national guard into american cities and volunteered to do that in seattle. he said the protesters out there have no cause to be fighting for. just trouble. those are the president of the united states words. he delivered a very nixonian/wallace message on law and order. listen. >> i strongly oppose the radical and dangerous efforts to defend, dismantle, and dissolve our police departments, especially now when we have achieved the lowest recorded crime rates in recent history. americans know the truth. without police there is --

>> that one piece of the president's message there to dana bash. he read i strongly opposes the radical and dangerous efforts to defend. he meant to say something else. an executive order that offers outreach to a community highly skeptical of this president. >> absolutely. look. if you started to listen and watch this speech and you came from the moon or even if you just dant knon't know that the president was signing this executive order and you turned it on, you never would know the goal or at least the reason for the appearance in the rose garden, the reason for this major speech, because it was so defiant and it was so -- such a red meat speech. it is the kind of speech that republicans in particular have been delivering for half a

century since richard nixon and doing so successfully at least in two cases in gop re-election bids for presidencies. so the rhetoric was remarkable in the fact that it was so typically donald trump. at the beginning and at the end. there was a little sliver in the middle he explained what he is actually going to do there which is the call for unity ( which was the important substance that chief ramsey and van jones talked about. make no mistake it's all politics to the nth degree. he felt he did what he had to do on dealing with something on an executive level that people are crying out for. he also went with where his comfort zone is, which is law and order. you're right. it was largely written out for him and just one real quick thing fact checking. he said that the obama/biden

administration didn't do anything. that is just not true. we are going to talk more about that i'm sure later on but it's just not true. they worked very hard on policing issues and particularly at the end of the administration. >> yes, they did. but in his view, they did nothing. he worked in the -- he said a lot of democratic politicians have failed on this issue. joining us conversation retired police sergeant cheryl dorsey from los angeles joins us. good to see you. president of the united states said we need to read the fine print here. these are national standards and he will create this database if you're a police officer you have repeated abuse claims against you and repeated excessive force complaints against you and if you're trying to move from department-to-department to state-to-state he would stop that. social workers and other people trained to de-escalate to respond to scenes with the police officers. he said as part of his plan this could do away with chokeholds. again, we need to see the

language there. this is a federal funding if your department wants federal funding we presume the language says you must do certain things. what is your take on the significance of this? a big debate on capitol hill. is there a debate in your city and a debate in your state. is this what a president needs to do at this moment? >> so here is the deal. more cycle babble from this president. it means nothing for ground pounders, for street troopers like me having spent 20 years in patrol in uniform as an officer and a sergeant, i can tell you right now, police officers who work patrol are collectively sucking their teeth and rolling their eyes back in their head because they are going to create a national database and they will put kaw chin and the rest on it and unless until they want to hold officers personally accountable it changes nothing. you think there wasn't already a list in moreover with chauvin on it? he had 18 personnel complaints. now we know the officer who murdered mr. brooks also had, i believe it was a dozen personnel complaints, none of which had

been addressed, none of which had deterred that bad behavior. when he talks about banning a chokehold and we saw daniel choke and murder eric garner only to be called by the police commissioner, that wasn't a chokehold, it was an upper body see belt restraint. how does this hold officers accountable and stop them from doing the things killing us day in and day out in the midst of a protest and in the midst of folks asking for something different? officers continually show their disdain for black and brown folks and their unwillingness because they know there is no accountable. why do anything different to murder us? >> interesting perspective. van jones, i want to come back to you and note you have worked in the past with the administration specifically jared kushner on the justice reform items the president mentioned until the rearview mirror. you had an opportunity to have conversations with people who prepared i think the president brought seven or eight families

who had police violence in their family. what did you learn? >> there were a number of families there who spoke directly with the president and with attorney general barr and also with tim scott. all of those law enforcement people were there listening. they basically told their stories which apparently according to people i talk to, there were tears and i think the president was kind and gracious to them. i think tim scott in particular was moved by what was being said behind the scenes. i think it was good that -- that did not turn into a big photo op and that didn't turn into a big media moment. that was more of the process of trying to move this white house forward and i think those families feel good about having had the chance to tell their stories to the people who have a chance to make a difference. listen. i agree with the level of frustration. the pieces that are being put in place now are not adequate but they are in the right direction.

attorney general sessions took away a lot of the things that obama put in place. another good faith move from the trump administration would be to restore some of those things that sessions took away since sessions is now gone. and this white house needs to support tim scott and the democrats in getting something more powerful done. but i don't want the to take away from the fact that the president of the united states had families in there, law enforcement in there and pointed in the right direction for the country. i think -- i don't think sometimes the president doesn't understand. a normally person your action speaks louder than words and when you're president your actions speaker louder than words. we need to keep pushing forward to get more done. >> van jones, thank you. dana bash as well and cheryl dorsey as well. thank you for joining us today. i'll be back here tomorrow.

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