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we have more breaking news. the trump administration has sued former national security adviser john bolton, seeking to stop the release of his highly-anticipated member require, claiming it has classified information. the nearly 600-page book "in the room where it happened" is scheduled for release next week. bolton was fired last september after serving in the white house for 17 months. just yesterday president trump said bolton would have criminal problems if the book is published as it. according to the publisher, the book will detail a president who sees getting re-elected as the only thing that matters even if that means endangering or weakening the nation. a source close to bolton says he's still planning to publish next tuesday. news continues. let's hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." chris? >> thank you, anderson. i am chris cuomo and welcome to "prime time." question, can you address a problem if you won't even mention it? the answer has to be no, and yet the president boasted about police reform, and once again, like all along during these

three long weeks since george floyd was allegedly murdered, he never even mentioned the words "bias" or "systemic racism". instead he says there have been instances where officers misused their power. misused. i misuse a counter if i use it to open a beer. however, i abuse alcohol if i drink ten beers and then kill somebody. that's more like what we saw with the police and floyd. abuse of power, not simply misuse. and words matter. especially when they're picked for a president in order to state the absolute minimum. so there he was, trump, surrounded for a photo op, the victim's families did not attend it because the white house says it shouldn't look like a photo op.

quite the distinction. so too was the president's mixed message. one part, we're with you. >> to all of the hurting families, i want you to know that all americans mourn by your side. your loved ones will not have died in vain. >> you can almost feel the wince the world over when trump then offers no real change. no recognition of the real wrongs. and then salting the wound by saying americans really want law and order. they demand law and order. they may not say it, they may not be talking about it, but that's what they want. no, mr. president, what they want is for you to look down from on high and see the reality they live every day in america. they know what they want. and you made it clear today that

you are not with them. so the question becomes, where will the masses pushing for more and better in streets all over this country get the leadership they seek? right here, says new jersey senator cory booker, who is a co-sponsor of the democrats' version of a police reform bill. we just learned senate repu senator booker, always a pleasure. >> thank you for having me on. it's good to be with you again. >> a reaction to what the president said and did not say and did and did not do today. >> well, i think you hit it on the head with his tenor and tone. his press conference talked a lot about the economy, a lot about how happy he was with sales going up in may, 17%. it was in many ways tone deaf to speaking to the issue at hand, that has the country with hundreds of thousands of people in all 50 states out protesting.

and then in terms of just the teeth, we will not see change in policing practices to the extent that will stop the large-scale kind of police brutality, racial bias and other challenges we're having with most extreme cases that we've caught on videotape with -- with breonna taylor or george floyd or the many other names that we know and many that we don't, unless there is real accountability. and that means changing the standards for criminal prosecution. and civil accountability. that means having pattern and practice investigations. that means changing the standards for use of force. from a use of force that is one that has a lot more to do with whether something was necessary or not. >> that's the president. he wants to make a deal. you sure you don't want to answer it? >> i -- i -- it's actually -- it's actually my girlfriend. >> far more important. that's all right. hanging on me. say that you were talking to me.

i'll take the heat. go ahead, senator. >> i will, chris. i will. are you there? >> yeah, i'm here. >> okay. >> so, today, tell me what doesn't do it for you with what the president said today. in we should create a federal database of officers with a history of excessive use of force. choke holds are banned except when the officer's life is at risk. and the executive order also directs the secretary of hhs to encourage police departments to imbed mental health professionals. >> look, a lot of those things, again, are not creating a real system of accountability. and what i mean by that is, if you do these practices, there will be real cons consequences. if officers break the law, our federal government will prosecute you. right now the standard on 242 which is a criminal section for prosecution is too high and doesn't get used.

the 1983 civil cases. he's not talking about quality immunity at all. so it's very hard if you are not really having a consequence when officers do something that are not only against their community standard but against the law. he doesn't ban religious and racial profiling. that's something bush called for in his first address to congress. doesn't talk about racial bias training. it does not elevate in any way the kind of issues that are being asked for by civil rights communities, not just now but have been asked for for a very long time. so we've got to make sure that this is a bill -- that we get a bill that actually has teeth in it that can change the culture of policing, the accountability of policing and also the transparency. even this database is shielded from the public. activist organizations, others cannot see what the patterns of the true misconduct of officers is. >> you know, one little suggestion that we talk about

here on the show a lot. certain states have laws that create boundaries on when body camera footage is available to the public. that seems to be one of the biggest problems with transparency. they have information often that the public would need to know. it may change their perspective on what happened in favor of officers or against officers. something to throw out there. what is the chance you get to a better place with senator tim scott on the republican side of putting out a proposal tomorrow and maybe negotiating a bill? >> look, i'm just coming out of almost a five-hour hearing on these issues. had some substantive conversations with my republican colleagues. you heard from the panelists. that unless there is a real consequence, it's hard to say that there's going to be change. i can go through the reports all the way from the kerner report all the way up to president obama's 21st century task force on policing and we're still having this same conversation. we're still witnessing gruesome video, the deathly consequences of not having real accountability.

and so those are the things that have to change. there needs to be a standard, practices that are banned, practices that are required. a way of measuring progress so you can see how things are happening. that means opening it up to sunshine and examination of patterns and practices as well as data collection, and then ultimately having a consequence when you fail to meet those standards, which is you are criminally culpable when you break the law. you can be sifl culpable when you violate somebody's civil rights and when it comes to using force against another human being, it has to be necessary to use that force not just justifiable. we want to make sure thought those uses of force are necessary and if you violate that, there will be consequences. that's how you change culture. >> we will see what they put out tomorrow, but a lot of that isn't even on the table. we'll see where they start and go from there. i wanted to ask you about something else. and this is a tough conversation to have right now. and in fact, we can't really

even really it. we don't know enough yet. this is upsetting at a minimum and painful at a minimum. how many young black men have been found hanged recently. whether or not it's homicide or suicide, cory -- senator, these are painful and horrible things to behold. i wanted to talk to you about the emmett till anti-lynching act. now, i don't know that it fits with these cases. it's very unusual. ea african-american communities are not known for suicide, let alone by hanging, but what is your take on these cases arising during this conflagration we're dealing with in the country? >> look, first of all, my heart goes out to the families of those who were found hanged. it's disturbing. it's awful. and you're right, we don't have enough facts yet to draw any conclusions, but, look, i think that there is a -- there is a grief in black communities that is deep. where you have people getting -- dying in childbirth at three,

four times the rate of white women. you have the violence against young bodies where the number one indicator of whether you're around toxicity, giving you cancers or lead poisoning is the color of your skin. there are so many conditions out there that make people afraid. you and i haven't talked about the attacks on black trans women, the murders of black trans women that seem to be rising in degree over last few years. or at least into the public consciousness. we have a real conversation we have to have about the security and safety of black bodies in this country. and even if these -- our mental health. and by the way, i'm seeing with suicides being unconsciousably high in our country, i'm seeing a rise in the data for black suicides as well. all of these things should arise our compassion or concern to want to do something about the loss of life from the various sources that we see in the african-american community.

it affects all of us. it affects the investmestrength nation as a whole. >> this has always been a strength of yours. i'm coming up on my 50th birthday. i'm much older than you. but you -- compassion comes to you quickly and deeply. and i really believe it's gonna be the key here, senator, because some people don't -- are never gonna understand a life through somebody else's eyes. it's a different world from the one they're in. but pain is relatable and pain that makes somebody want to take their own life and shatters their family is something that hopefully resonates, no matter what we find out about these cases. and, again, it is very curious to find black men hanging in america as a function of suicide. but we'll wait for the facts and the conversation opportunity is always here for you, senator cory booker. god bless and good luck going forward. >> thank you very much. thank you so much. appreciate you, chris. >> all right. thank you, senator. all right. so let's go from one plague to another. did you hear the news?

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all right. wish i could tell you this is new, but turns out that once again the white house is at odds with the krkcdc over the state the pandemic. now, this is the difference between political feeling and fact. this time the perpetrator is the vice president mike pence, who wrote an op-ed in "the wall street journal" declaring there's no second wave coming. and any concerns about spikes in new cases is overblown. he says, quote, more than half of states are actually seeing cases decline or remain stable, and in the six states that have reached more than 1,000 new cases a day, increased testing has allowed public health officials to identify most of the outbreaks in particular settings, prisons, nursing homes, meatpacking facilities and contain them. now, there is no question that he is cherry picking circumstances to paint a better

picture. the bigger concern is the cdc official telling cnn the vice president is doing exactly that with the data. pointing out that at least 18 states are categorized by the cdc as high burdened and cases are not going down. you see the source of the rebuttal being the cdc is especially indicative of this conflict. only one of them can be right. the chief doctor, dr. sanjay gupta is back with us tonight. it is good to see you, my friend. the idea -- >> hey, chris. >> -- of what the vice president is suggesting is testing, they're testing more. so they're identifying more cases. that's the explanation for the numbers. well, then how do you explain the increase in hospitalizations in arizona -- >> right. >> texas, florida? >> north carolina. i mean, all these places not only are they high but they're some of the highest

hospitalizations throughout this entire pandemic. yeah, you can't explain that just through increased testing. there's no question, chris, more testing, you're going to find more cases, too. that's true. i want to make this point. it's a little counterintuitive. the whole reason you do more testing is to ultimately bring down the number of cases. you find people who have the virus, you isolate them and you pivot the virus from belgian spre -- being spread. what happened to the case count over time as testing went up? we know what's happening in new york overall. there is the test in new york. you see how they've gone up? seven day average. let's take a look at what happened to the number of people actually diagnosed with the infection there in new york. you're going to see that go down. i want you to compare that to florida, for example, which is a state often used as an example here. the testing if anything, has sort of plateaued. maybe even gone down a little bit. and what's happened there? the case counts have actually

gone up. again, think about this for a second -- it's a counterintuitive point. >> so what do people pull from that? >> first of all, the increased testing is not what's fueling the increased case count, okay? because that seems to be a message that's out there. it's incorrect. increased testing should lead to a decreased case count. plus, in many states where you've actually decreased testing, the numbers are still going up. so it's just just you're looking more, you're finding more, i know that eminently makes sense to people but that's not the situation here. if you're testing the right amount, ultimately it should lead to decreased number of people being infected. so, yes, we're seeing increased testing. but the increased case counts are outpacing that increased testing. there's definitely more spread of the virus. that is clear from all the data that you look at. >> can you justify the vp getting to the conclusion that he doesn't think there'll be a second wave? >> no, you know, it's

interesting, i might even abandon the term "waves" right now because, you know, we sort of use this -- >> yes. >> it's a bit archaic in some ways going back 100 years to the flu pandemic at that point. we're not even out of the first wave yet, so the idea that we're going to have a complete, you know -- if you look at country overall, we have come down since the peak in april. it's, you know -- >> right. >> if you can call this acceptable, still, you know, 600-some people dying every day in this country. more than people have died during the entire pandemic in other countries. but if that's sort of the plateau, you may have a little bit of a plateau here, but i think what you're hearing from all the public health officials is, you know, come august this is likely to increase again. in part because, you know, we're reopening. we're seeing all the impacts of that reopening now. people are not being as judicious about mask wearing. people are getting together in these settings that are, you know, dangerous in the sense

they're indoors. lots of people aggregated together. that's where you get these superspreader events, so there could be a second wave in the sense that things could get worse again, but other people, including dr. fauci, has referred to this as another peak within this existing wave. so call it what you want, but, you know, if things stay the way they are right now, we are likely to get worse again in terms of overall numbers of people getting infected and being hospitalized. >> last thing that my brother andrew wants to be saying right now is, hey, if people keep reopening in ways that are not the right way and the numbers keep getting bad, we're going to have to make hard decisions again. he does not want to be talking that talk, but it's the responsible thing to do. let's do this, sanjay. let's take a quick break and come back. >> okay. >> and talk about more research that came out what they found so far that's worked best in terms of practice and then a drug that may be making enough of a significant difference to discuss. we'll have them both right after this with chief doctor and accordion extraordinaire sanjay

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butter of public health. we now know in countries around the world it made a huge difference, chris. i mean, you know, again, i've been reluctant in some ways to always compare the united states to other countries. a lot of people say, well, you know, what about our public health system? our public health system can work well in so many ways, but in this situation, it didn't. you know, in south korea, you know, they have -- they're measure their deaths in the hundreds as opposed to the hundre thousands or hundreds of thousands. >> right. >> why? they didn't have a medicine. they didn't have a vaccine. they had testing and tracing. it works if you do it early and you're not scared to actually implement some of those measures very early on. we just didn't do that in this country. >> we're still not really doing it and removing the stay at home aspect and people still aren't ramping up their contact tracing like they said they would. this latest drug that enter the zone, dexamethazone, it's a

corticosteroid. now, one, what is a court corticosteroid and what do you make of this study? >> this is still a press release, essentially, that we're seeing about this new study. we wouldn't even be reporting this on your program except there is such a demand, obviously, for some sort of therapeutic that works. so we want to look at the full study, but if the press release is correct in what this shows, this would be the first drug that actually reduces the mortality when it comes to this disease, covid-19. you remember remdesivir, that was in terms of speeding up recovery. if the data is correct, this drug reduces mortality for the sickest patients. so patients on a ventilator, it reduced their mortality by a third. patients on oxygen, it reduced their mortality by a fifth.

court corticosteroid, it's a steroid. nonsteroidals, ibuprofen, that sort of think. steroids are the strongest drugs. they dampen down your immune system. in the sickest patients what is actually making them so sick and what is possibly killing them? it's not so much the virus at that point, it's the body's response to the virus. the inflammation that bombards the lungs and the other organs. what do you do? you give a drug that dampens that inflammation, in this case a steroid and it seems to work. this is a cheap, widely available drug. given orally to the ones not on a breathing machine or ventilator. to other patients given by injection, just a few milligrams, 6 milligrams for ten days, that's a very reasonable dose and seemed to have a major impact. if this is true, again, the studies hold up, this could be a significant finding not just in terms of this drug alone but what it might mean for other

drugs that are similar drugs. could you create a cocktail of drugs to decrease the inflammation and not only possibly help patients but save them? again, this is the only destruct that's shown that so far. >> dr. sanjay gupta, thank you so much. >> you got it, chris. all right. now, last night we showed you why we argue that the atlanta cop had better options than shooting and killing rayshard brooks, even after brooks fired that stolen taser at him. our next guest was patrolling the streets in georgia for himself for decades. now, he believes that the officer involved, officer rolf, was justified. how does he make the case? let's test it. next. darrell's family uses gain flings now so their laundry smells more amazing than ever. [woman] isn't that the dog's towel? hey, me towel su towel. more gain scent plus oxi boost and febreze in every gain fling.

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some newer information. atlanta police released disciplinary records for both officers involved in the death of rayshard brooks. the one who opened fire, officer rolf, had in his six years on the job a prior reprimand for use of force involving a firearm. now, in general georgia law is pretty clear.

an officer can use deadly force if the suspect possesses a deadly weapon. in the case of rashard brooks, does discharging a taser over his shoulder while running away justify shooting him multiple times from behind? we put that question to stephen gainer. he is the president of the fraternal order of police in cob county, georgia. welcome to prime time a"prime t thank you for your service to the community there. >> thanks, chris. thanks for having me on and let me tell the other side of the story. >> please. so why do you believe this shooting was justified? >> well, chris, i think if you look at the whole situation, look at the whole story with an open mind from start to finish, you look at the officer's dealing with mr. brooks in a very calm and peaceful manner for about 43 minutes. and then you see it suddenly change when they tell mr. brooks he's under arrest and begin to put the handcuffs on.

mr. brooks becomes violent and begins to attack the officers. >> all right. so let's go step by step. i'm with you. >> sure. >> there's a lot of chitchat. a lot of niceties for a long time. what about the benign option of the guy says he's going to walk home. he's got a sister in the area. you know, he's not far. he'll leave the car here. he'll go. why not give him the option of letting him leave that way? leave the car here, walk home, or maybe we'll give you a ride if we're leaving, whatever. why not go that way? >> the officers have lots of options available. they chose to make the dui arrest. who's to say he's going to walk home and then come back as soon as the officers drive away and take his car and go and kill somebody driving dui. that's a liability we take when we leave somebody at the scene. you leave somebody who is dui at the scene with the car, even if he walks away, who knows he doesn't have another key if you take his keys. you don't know the facts. >> he was clearly intoxicated and reported as intoxicated to

them. why did they let him drive the car in the parking lot if it was such a no-brainer it was a dui arrest. >> they had him more the car to a space which was only about 20 feet away. so moving it out of the drive-through -- they were still in the investigative phase at that point, okay? they're not sure he's dui, they're investigating it but not sure he's dui. it's not until they dot test and determine they believe him to be under the influence of something and they're going to place him under arrest. >> okay. so now they say we're going to place you under arrest. everything goes sideways. he resists. there are now two of the officers. and when i watched this video, and, please, mr. gainer, i had you come on for your candor. you know this stuff better than i. i have spent a lot of years doing self-defense and different kind of suppressive movement training, literally over a dozen years. when i was these two officers trying to take him down, i don't see a lot of adeptness by them. they're really struggling with this one guy. i don't see any evidence of

superstrength or him drugged up in a way. maybe he was. maybe he wasn't. what kind of strength do the officers get in using nondeadly force in how to apprehend somebody? >> we do get training. almost every year we have annual training in which they train how to take somebody into custody. but, you know, a person, every person is different, every person is different in the way they fight. mr. brooks, thi i think was ver strong. he was able to surprise them when he all of a sudden attacked them and took them to the ground, which is not a good position for police to be in. an officer does not like to be on the ground. he punched them, which is assault upon the officers when he began punching them. i think it was just a knock-down drag-out fight at that point until mr. brooks grabbed the taser. >> so he grabs the taser and runs away. why do you think that that part of the fact pattern, that him running away with the taser, apparently reaches back with the taser, discharges it and that's

when the officer chasing him fires at him several times, hitting him at least twice. why was that okay? >> well, to finish on the fight part. they tell him not to take -- they tell him let go, let go and he fuses. so he now steals the taser from the officer, gets up and runs. he does fire the taser. it does appear to hit the officer when you watch it. you do see the flash of the taser. you see the officer bounce off the car and at that point i think the shots are fired about the same split second. that it's occurring. now the back shots are just the way he's positioned. when the shots go off. whether he's turning back around or whether he was turned in a twisted mode where his back was available -- >> no, he was running away. this is a huge part of the fact pattern. the idea that the shots were just put where his body was positioned is being a little too forgiving, i think, of the analysis. shooting someone from behind is not what you are trained to do.

isn't that correct? >> you can't predict how a person's going to bob and weave and where the bullets are going to go after it leaves your gun. if they're facing toward you in the reaction time you have and you fire, they could turn around. your reaction time is a lot slower than their reactiome. they know what they're going to do. you have to react to what they're going to do, so the shot -- >> but he never turns around. he's just running away and twists his body and fires what they knew to be a taser. they knew he didn't have a handgun on him. they already searched him. a taser doesn't count as deadly force when you guys use it, so why does it become one when he uses it. >> when we use it, a trained individual using a taser is not a deadly weapon by georgia law. so a trained individual knows where to aim the -- the taser. an untrained individual does not and it becomes a deadly weapon at that point. >> that's not in the law. where do you get that from? >> well, i get it from the

training then, okay? so the training that we've had for over 20 years tells us that if they take your baton or your taser it now becomes one step more, that you have to use deadly force, because those can be used against you to incapacitate you and then take your weapon. and if you look at the district attorney from fulton county, two weeks ago the taser was a deadly weapon. this case, the taser is not a deadly weapon. so mr. district attorney, you've got to make up your mind. is it or isn't it a deadly weapon? >> what case was it a deadly weapon? >> because it really makes a difference. >> the case with the two college students in the protest down in city of atlanta in which those two officers were fired and then arrested by the district attorney only -- before the investigation was even complete. >> i understand why that was frustrating to a lot of officers and i know it took the chief by surprise. i don't remember the taser being a fundamental part of the analysis there. it was the method of which the kids were removed and the officer who i believe may have

been an officer who wasn't the initial one dealing with them but came in and picked up one of the kids, suspects, and threw him on the ground and had to have another officer tell him to back off. i don't remember that being about the taser. but let's go one case at a time. >> okay. >> this case comes down to that last moment, i believe, in my legal analysis, and that's why i'm interested in your take on this. all right. he has the taser. maybe it's a dangerous thing. maybe it isn't. it has to come down to how it's used. fired over his shoulder and turned when he is clearly run agway in a parking lot with all these families and parked cars. that's a good decision from an officer to start firing at that person running away in a parking lot that's filled with cars with people in it? >> i don't know from the video, chris, what his backdrop is. obviously the officer felt it was a safe environment because we are trained to look at the backstop. so if his backstop was clear and he felt comfortable in the shot, that's probably why he took it, but i can't tell from the videos

what the backshot is. >> but his being comfortable taking it is different than it being okay. some officers have described this as maybe lawful but awful in terms of choices. do you really believe you can justify shooting a man multiple times in the back while he's running away when you know where he lives? you know, aren't you guys trying to protect life? >> i think you can justify this case by georgia law. it specifically gives him the right based on the aggravated assaults and the threat he poses to the public and to the officers there. it specifically gives them, by law, the right to shoot him. he chose to make those actions. he chose to do what he did. he could have been like 100 other duis that night, got arrested, bonded out and gone home to his family. >> true, but resisting arrest as we both know is not a death sentence. and you're right, mr. brooks made choices that were bad choices. the officers are trained in de-escalation and they're supposed to be protecting and serving. maybe under the law an officer

may be deemed to have had the right, but do you recollethink did was right? would you have done the same thing in that situation? >> i can't tell you, chris. i wasn't there. i'd have to experience the whole thing. i don't think either one of us can say not being there -- we can quarterback this thing all day long but we weren't there. >> you worked on the streets in tough situations. you ever fire add anybody running away from you without a gun? >> i didn't have to use my weapon after 30-plus years. i was very good. i didn't have to use my weapon. i was pretty good at talking. i got out of a lot of serious situations with people with weapons. i was lucky. a lot of officers are not that lucky and they have to do what they have to do to go home and you have to look at it from their point of view. >> we both know he could have gone home if he hadn't fired at him and he'd still have a job if he hadn't fired at him. >> we don't know what would have happened. >> he was running away, steve. what was going to happen. >> chris, what's he going to do when he runs away?

what's hi going to do? now we know what the criminal history is, we didn't know that at the time. could he car jack somebody? is he going to hurt a civilian? there's a lot of things that come into play that you have to play out and go, i'm responsible for this individual that i was going to arrest and he now has a weapon that i provided him because he took it from me. >> a discharged taser is not exactly the most dangerous thing that somebody can be handling around. he had a knife, he had a sharp stick, he'd be a lot more dangerous to people than just having the taser. under the law, you have to believe either that he has something that he's going to seriously hurt somebody with or that he has committed a crime that makes him a danger to seriously injury somebody. which of those boxes do they check here? >> well, he had committed a crime. he's committed an agg assault on two police officers. he's stolen an item from one police officer. >> the analysis of what he did before the altercation with the police. you don't get to build in what happened in that moment with him as proof of his criminal

behavior. that's not in the case law. >> you do because what he does from his actions causes what occurs in his death. not the previous action where he's -- they're all compliant. what he does when he's told he's under arrest, a lawful arrest, they go to put the handcuffs on him. a lawful arrest with detention and he fights. >> he fights. >> he chooses to fight. >> he chooses to fight. >> that causes all these things to then spiral. so you've got to take those into account. the first part is a whole different situation. >> whole different situation. i'm with you on that. >> very cordial conversation. >> i get you. it all changes once he resists and then the analysis will be, did the officers make the right choices under the law in this situation? >> under the law they did. totally under the law, as trained. but, chris, let me add this. >> go ahead. >> if you want to changes how the officers react to deadly force and how they use it, you can't change the rules after you've been training these officers for over 20 years that this is how it goes. and then all of a sudden when

this happens you want to change the rules. if you want to change it to let people run away because they don't want to be arrested, the society needs to change the rules and the laws and then you have to retrain the police. but you can't change the rules -- >> on the fly. >> you are absolutely right. >> that's right. >> your own explanation i would take issue with whether or not how they were dealing with deadly force. that will be decided by a jury if there are any charges. we will see what happens. steven gaynor, you are welcome back as we make the case. >> thank you, chris. my next guest tested positive for covid-19 and happened after a night of fun that went bad fast. 16 friends got it. this is a cautionary tale. don't take it from me. take it from people just wanting to have a good time. next.

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seven workers at a florida bar and a group of 16 friends who were out for a night of fun all tested positive for coronavirus. erica was one of them. she's been sick for a week. she's here with two friends. good to have you. i don't want anyone of you to sweat. this is not a session. i'm happy that you are feeling better and you're young. thank god you didn't get hit the way i did. i want to quickly give you a chance to share how you feel after this experience. erica, starting with you. nobody had masks. it was crowded in there. just like a normal bar. why did you think it was okay to do it that way and what do you think now?

>> i this at the time it was more out of sight out of mind. we hadn't known anybody who had a personally. governor and mayor said it was fine. we go out and it's a friends birthday. it was a mistake. >> how do you feel about it now? what do you want people to think. >> i feel foolish. it's too soon. clearly we got super-sick almost immediately. within days. >> look, the most effective preacher is a convert. you can tell people i know why you think it's not a big deal. learn from me. thank you for coming forward and doing this. this is not how you want to make where are debut on cuomo "prime time." you were there as well. you had a little different set of symptoms. you were of the no smell no taste variety. how are you feeling now and how is your perspective?

>> i'm feeling fine. i am. it is very bizarre to breathe in and not smell your favorite things. it feels spoiled to complain about things like that at the moment. my experience is definitely of course regretful. we feel foolish standing there in font of the people we knew we were pushing it. and it's overwhelming to be ahead of this. we want to raise awareness and tell people it's not ready for what we thought it was. it's too soon. >> when you realize that you weren't feeling well. what went through your mind? >> there's a global pandemic going on and i feel sick. i was a little scared and nervous. and receiving the text message that my friends were just boom positive, boom positive, boom positive. back to back to back was overwhelming. >> did anybody get sick sick? >> not to my knowledge.

i think all of our symptoms were fairly mild. i do believe that one or two of us had flu like symptoms. and were kind of laying in bed. for the most part i experienced very mild symptoms throughout the time. >> like four days worth and got better? >> yes, sir. >> i know there was a group of 16. everybody got sick? >> everybody. every one of us. >> did you hear stories about people who weren't part of the group getting sick? do you believe it was that place? or doing too much too soon. >> yes, i have been this went public a few days ago. i have been messaged and inboxed by strangers. that they were there the same weekend friday, saturday and sunday. and are very sick. it wasn't just our group. one place in common.

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