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this is cnn news. >> i'm breanna keilar. i want to welcome people in the u.s. and around the world. the person presidency is in crisis. in just two weeks, president trump has suffered a series of losses and is struggling to handle two crises at once. he's enflamed racial tension over force used by police officers and the systemic problems with criminal justice in the united states. pentagon leaders who traditionally don't break publicly with the commander-in-chief have rebuked his actions and have apologized for being associated with the president's political stunt outside the white house. the list gross of his former top adviser saying he is uncompetent and unfit for office and now his most recent former national security adviser is describing just how bad it was inside the
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room. the supreme court stopped president trump's plan for lbgtq americans over the last four days. that includes with the help of president trump's scotus picks. first, i want to begin with his denial that is impacting the health and the lives of american. he is misleading the public on the severity of coronavirus, directly putting american lives in danger. moments ago, we told the "wall street journal" covid testing is overrated and some americans may be wearing masks just to signal disapproval of him. not to approve getting sibling. i want to bring in erica hill, who has been following all the fast developments. the comments come as florida just reported a record number of new indications in a single day. tell us about this. >> you are right, more than 3200, brianna, it's not just florida reporting record high numbers for new cases. arizona as well, more than 2500
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added in that case. who ill the president may see masks as some sort of political gesture. the reality is the science tells us, masks make an important and life saving difference. beaches and bars are opened, lines for this weekend's campaign rally growing. masks and renewed flashpoints as coronavirus case soar. >> it's not only the number of cases, this is being paralleled in many cities, especially in houston, dallas, austin, phoenix, with sharp rises in hospitalizations and icu admission, so this thing is real. >> reporter: florida adding 3200 cases on thursday. another single day high. >> florida has made the stuff of nightmares for me. >> reporter: an older population, pre-existing conditions and a large number of nursing homes all raising concern. >> the potential for virus to take off there is very, very nerve racking and could have cat
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traffic is consequences. >> new modeling predicts the sunshine state could become the next epicenter. florida is one of ten states posting their highest 7-day averages of new cases. in arizona, which also reported a record number of new cases, more than 2500, the national guard is now on notice and may need to help can contact tracing n. all, 23 states seeing an uptick in new cases over the past week. the president dismissing the data. >> if you look, the numbers are very miniscule compared to what it was. it's dying out. >> one of the problems we face in the united states is that unfortunately, there is a combination of an anti-science bias that people are, for reasons that sometimes are, you know, inconceivable. not understandable. they just don't believe science and they don't believe authority and that unfortunate because,
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you know, science is truth. >> reporter: in texas and arizona, governors refusing to mandate face coverings state wide as local officials push to add their own, citing the solid science. >> wearing a mask or fought wearing a mask shouldn't be how you will vote in the upcoming election. it's really about protecting yourself from an infection. >> reporter: when it comes to infection, those with type a blood have a higher risk of catching the virus and developing severe symptoms. type o has the lowest risk. according to new research just published in the new england journal of medicine. football likely side lined this fall. dr. fauci telling cnn's dr. sanjay gupta, unless players are essentially in a bubble, insulateed from the community and tested nearly every day, it would be very hard to see how football is able to be played this fall. the ncaa just approved plans for pre-season practice, college football, still slated for kickoff august 29th.
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now, the nfl's chief medical officer has released a statement in response to dr. fauci saying basically they are working on rapid result testing as well as rigorous protocols, noting, it is no easy task, that they will be quote flexible and adaptable in this environment to adapt as needed. >> reporter: erica hill, thank you so much. florida just recorded 3200 new case of coronavirus in a single day. but one gun shop owner in west palm beach has a rule. a strict rule no face masks allowed inside his shop. he argues this is a safety issue and alex kopf the owner of the guns and range center. he is joining us to talk about it. thanks, for being here. >> hi, how are you? >> i am doing well, thank you. i know you say your policy has misunderstood. tell us why. >> well, it's uncharted
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territory for all of us. so in the beginning, people need to be aware there is a florida statute 87612 saying that wearing a mask, hood or any other advice concealing a firearm is illegal. so that's what we kind of started with. then ultimately, we had an unpleasant occurrence. we have a larger store. it's not like one or two people walking in at a time, so we had a bunch of young people walking in between 8 and 10 all wearing masks and questionable motives. and it's really hard to rely on video as a ways of -- with law enforcement. >> so you are saying there were several who were acting questionable? >> they basically walked in to scope to check the store out if it was an easy place to rob to put nit plain language.
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>> okay. can you describe these people? were they young, were they old? were they white? were they black? >> it was a mixed group of young kids. so we couldn't identify the age. now the role is 21 to actually shop or even to look at the guns. so we have a very interesting experience and weren't sure what to do with it. so we have decided to take the mask rule that people not wearing masks. it's not written in stone. we do make accommodations for people. all we do is ask them to contact us first so we can expect them to come in and make provisions. but, so it's not a written in stone rule. we are asking for some sort of cooperation with us. >> so, if someone wants to come into your store and wear a mask, they touch base with you, they can wear a mask. are your employees wearing masks? >> no i gave them an option if anybody wants to wear one they can, pretty much everybody opted
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out. so we're not wearing masks. >> due believe the masks. >> i gave people a choice. >> but it's your store so do you believe that masks protect against the spread of coronavirus? >> i'm not a doctor. i don't know. we have not had a case since the beginning of the virus spread in my place. >> doctors say it does, experts say it does, one study found that masks stop the spread of approximately 450,000 cases in the u.s. >> okay. we, i mane, again, it's as of now we didn't enforce the rule because we need to talk to people all day and it's hard to talk through the mask. but it's not my, i'm not against it. so right now i'm not sure which way i'm going to be going. >> alex have you tried to talk to someone through a mask? it's not that hard. >> we talk for nine hours a day,
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especially if you wear grasses, they fog up. so i do wear glasses. but again if they're making it mandatory as a rules. we'll definitely comply. >> i guess what i'm curious about, though, is you say, it's a safety issue for people coming into your store, you don't want them to conceal their identities. are you worried about theft. when it comes to protecting your customers, you are not rierk your employees to wear masks and are you not sure if it he want e helps to protect the coronavirus. >> we have a pretty wide counters. my employees are pretty far away from a customer almost at all times. we are not breaking. >> reporter:. >> this is not outside. >> correct, inside. >> are you screening your employees? are you testing them? >> we, no, but i haven't had a chance to not a chance, i'm sorry, with we did not have an occurrence of anybody being sick, so as of now, we did not test anybody. >> so health officials in your
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county are warning that new cases in your area are surging right now and they're expecting deaths to follow. if this gets bad enough, alex, would you maybe reexamine your policy? >> of course. i mane, we're not doing it as a stance against something. we just for now, it's a new venue for us, we are learning as we go. for us, with safety of the store and not get the firearms out on the street was important in the beginning. so, as we learn more, we'll adjust. i'm not saying we won't. >> and can i ask you, alex, are gun sales up at your store? >> yes. >> time for a little amount? how much, would you say? >> probably three to four times our norm. >> oh, okay. >> alex, thank you so much for joining us. alex scott, we appreciate it. >> thank you, thanks, guy, thanks, for having me. the president says he made
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juneteenth famous, that no one had ever heard of it. don lemon will join me live. plus, president trump tweeting out that we need new supreme court justices after he didn't get the ruling that help wanted on daca. i will get reaction from a dreamer who works as a first responder in texas. facebook has just taken down trump campaign ads for violating its policy against organized hate. why? well, the symbol the campaign used was identical to a nazi symbol. stand by. can i find an investment firm with a truly long-term view that's been through multiple market cycles for over 85 years? with capital group, i can. talk to your financial professional or consultant for investment risks and information.
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worth noting two of the justices on the court are the president's nominees, delivered another blow to the white house agenda. first justices ruling employers cannot fire their workers for being gay or transgender. today with a 5-4 ruling the court rejected the president's efforts to end obama's dreamer program, which protects 700,000 immigrants brought to the u.s. as children, protects them from being deported. chief justice roberts citing with the liberals in that decision. i want to bring in our analysts. jesus is a daca recipient and a paramedic who rescued victims during hurricane harvey. jesus, give us your reaction to this decision today. >> hi. yes, i'm pleasantly surprised to see the results at the supreme court today. of course, we know we have some very conservative justice, nevertheless, they cited with us because they understand that the
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right thing to do is to protect us and to continue to give us the program that offers us the opportunity to be productive and good, hard work, americans. >> and steve, i wonder what you think the path forward is here. you the president tweeted you get the impression the supreme court does not like me. he clearly does not like this decision. it has been a tough week for him with the supreme court. do you think that he is going to try to rescind daca again in a way the supreme court might say is okay? >> he might. i think one of the critical things about the kiev justice's opinion is that it very much leaves the door opened for the trump administration to rescind daca but do at this time right way. brianna hit the key here, there is a reason why two-and-a-half years ago the trump administration didn't do it the right way. there was a reason 245i said their hand were tied.
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they didn't want to take responsibility for ending the program and putting the lives in such limbo. it's possible that things have changed since that time. but especially with an election four months, away, i'm not sure how much hoff a hurry the administration will be in to pick that plight at this moment. >> jesus, tell us a little bit. dell e tell us about you. we want to know about you and what it has been like for you not having protection and then having the protection of daca. then not having the protection of it. now here again at least temporarily having protection again? >> yes. so, i have been enrolled in the daca program since 2013. prior to that i was 100% completely undocumented. which meant i was eligible for deportation at any given moment had i, you know, received ap simple traffic ticket or did any
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so i am not the only one that is doing so. there is thousands and thousands of daca recipients. we're in the healthcare field. they're also doing the same thing i am and thousands more doing other essential roles here in the states. >> and steve, when you look at this and you look at the effect that this could have on people like jesus, i wonder if, i wonder what you think of john robert's moves and if these sort of real stories we see factor into what the court does or if it's really about the letter of the law here? >> yeah. i think it's the right question. john roberts is obviously figured in huge in these decision. he was one of the justices who switched sides on monday to vote that lesbian gay transgenders are covered by rule 7. i think this is not some sign that john roberts is a closet regressive or he's had some change of heart. i think it's that the trump administration's arguments and
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the moves it has made and some of the policies it has adopted really are you know significantly different to the right and in some ways more procedurally fraught than arguments that prior republican administrations have made in the conservative justices. so i think the real bottom line here is, if it's a bridge too far, for a life long conservative like john roberts, i guess that says a lot more about the policies, we have anna, than it does about the court. >> all right. thank you both for coming on. steve, we appreciate your legal perspective. jesus, thank you for your service there on the front lines against the coronavirus. we really appreciate your perspective. >> thank you, breana. >> all right. you guy versus a good day, too. president trump admits there is probably some systemic racism in america. but then he says americans didn't know about juneteenth. signaling the end of slavery, until he made it famous. i'll speak to don lemon about all of that and next, the president's former national security adviser john bolton
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juneteenth. the national commemoration of the end of slavery in the united states. and moments ago, the president said, i did something good. i made juneteenth very time. but nobody had ever heard of it. with me now is don lemon, the host of cnn tonight and the host of a new podcast called silence is not afternoon option. i just interviewed michael bender, the reporter, it's also so lovely to see you, my friend, i interviewed the reporter that did this interview. he said that the president was, he hadn't heard of juneteenth. right? and he was asking people around him if they knew about it and so he was giving off the impression that he didn't have people around him who knew and it was actually a black secret service agent who told him what temperatures i wonder what your reaction is to the president having no idea what this is and
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surrou surrounding himself with people that have no idea of what this is and scheduling a rally in the middle of racial unrest on this day. >> well, i laugh for two things. one, because it is funny and two, because it is, it's laughable. right. and it's serious. the president of the united states should know what juneteenth s. the president doesn't know and pretending that he did hand the he made juneteenth famous, everyone knows that that is a farce and that what he does on a daily basis. as the lie. this president has -- he doesn't know about history in general. so why would he know about something like juneteenth within it relates to african-americans and the struggle that black people have had in this country. he doesn't know. he didn't know who frederick douglas was. he thought frederick douglas was still alive so it is sad we have a leader that knows so much -- so little about so much in this country right now, especially when it comes to policing. when it comes to systemic
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racism, that i understand and i think you are probably going to talk about it. that he's saying, well, there is some systemic. you can't have some systemic racism. it's a part of the system which means there would be systemic racism. i'm not surprised he new nothing, pretended he did and turned to his black person or friend or someone he nau to find out the information and took it as his own, which he does all the time. >> you mean like it's darkly funny, right? not funny, ha ha? >> not funny ha ha. >> i don't find it funny at all, don. you know i mean, i laugh out of sort of discomfort with the idea that we are even having to discuss the president doesn't know what juneteenth is when his white house -- >> i look at it as a joke, brianna. i laugh because it's a joke that the president has made a joke of a lot of himself.
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and yeah i understand what you are saying. i think it's terrible he doesn't know. a lot of people quite honestly didn't now. they know now what juneteenth is and was, it may not have been taught. why not i didn't know. now i know. not a big deal. i think it's laughable. because he makes a joke out of himself. but it's sad that he wldt world. >> so you mentioned the systemic racism that michael bender of the "wall street journal" reporter who asked him about this, and so the question was, this is the president's quote response, don, was i'd like to think there is not. but unfortunately, there probably is some. i would also say it's very substantially less than it used to be. and i mean put this into context, right? he has all of these aids around him who are saying there is no systemic racism in the system even in his white house. this is what i find startling,
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he is there in a him radio. he doesn't have anyone really in his white house who is black and can sort of clue him in on some of these things? isn't that sort of an example right there of systemic racism? >> reporter: ha ha has are you so smart, brianna. >> thank you, don. >> i don't really have to say anything after what you've just said. because, yes, there is an example and all one has to do is look at the makeup. take, look at a picture of people who are in the white house who are his senior advisers. who are his military leaders, people in his ear who are in his inner circle every single day. then there is, in itself, an exam of systemic racism. one of his only adviser who's is african and i spoke with jeron smith the other day who is in the white e. i would hope jeron at some level is trying to educate the president about this i think it's tough when you have people around you who look like you, who only represent your
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interests, who get on television and say, quite boldly, with no shame, that there is no, that there is no systemic racism in this country. first, first of all, i think the president should get a dictionary to look up what systemic means and then he would realize you can't say i think there is some systemic racism and that it is better than before. it doesn't really work that way. now, if he had said, racism, where it is improving in some areas and we need to and we need to work on it in other areas, then i would say, okay, but to say that there is some systemic racism, but that doesn't make any sense at all. >> you saw this nassau last hour, don, that facebook has taken down some trump campaign ads and this is the quote for it. right. they said this quote violating their policy against organized hate and that's because the image, in one of the images that was in this ad is one that the anti-defamation league, which
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you know you can go and look. they have them listed out. they say this is identical to a nazi symbol. i wonder, how did that happen? not that you know the answer to that, but how can that be explained away? >> well, it goes back to your quite answer about systemic racism. in that, he doesn't realize or the people around him or the people who part of his campaign, whoever this is, who works for the trump team, they don't understand what they're putting out. and how it may be offensive. or they're doing it on purpose. because if you don't know what a nazi symbol or a swastika and on and on, if you don't know what that represents or even a confederate flag, then you probably need some, you need to be educated about it. and maybe you shouldn't be
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working for someone who is supposed to be the leader and representing and works for the american people. how does that happen? i think it happens because that's exactly what they want to put out. that's what they want to send out. and i think facebook and many other social media sites have just gone along with it and not called him out on it, not had precaution or procedures in place, not taken it down before and now they're realizing what is happening in the country, thousand country feels about this, how the american people feel about it. and they're saying all of a sudden, whoa, we fadi to take care of this. i don't think it's an accident. >> do you think his campaign is purposely putting out a nazi symbol? >> vp. >> reporter: i think they are purposely putting out that intochl i don't know if it's a wink and a nod, yes, they are purposely putting it out f. they are not smart enough to realize what it looks like or represents, then what does that say to you? i don't really have to answer that question. they're doing exactly what they
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want to do. wouldn't you? if you saw that symbol, brianna, wouldn't you know when you say, hey, well, hmm, i don't know if we should be -- >> should we double check it? >> reporter: of course they would. of course, you would. >> don lemon. hey, thank you so much. i just want to plug your new -- >> reporter: don't forget about my podcast, yeah. i want to talk about that i hope you will listen. >> here it is, look how gorgeous you look there. silence is not an option with don lem. >> reporter: amazing conversations on this podcast. >> it's amazing, tell us a little about it. >> oh, okay. i thought you were kicking me out. >> no i mean, i was going to, but are you don lemon, so. tell me. >> reporter: we have an far, c'mon, how long have we known each other? forever? we used to do crossfit together? remember, i mane, c'mon. >> once, you got me to do it once. now tell me about your podcast. tell me about your podcast.
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>> reporter: so my podcast is, we're going to havesome conversations he said about race. because miami want to know, what to do, how to be better. i have a lot of people writing me, what do i do? i'm sorry i didn't especially with my white friends so i will give them tools, we will give them a space where people can come and hear those conversations where they don't have to be embarrassed about asking questions so on and so forth. you himself rex kindi a historian and professor in race and christopher petrella who teaches history at american university who happens to be white will give advice to white people in this moment and beyond, tangible things to make things better going forward. and there you go. >> asome, don, that is fantastic. thank you so much. we will be listening. always great to see you. >> reporter: i love seeing and talking to you. we should do this more often, brianna. >> okay. sound good, bye, friend. so the nation's top
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a book that you're ready to share with the world? get published now, call for your free publisher kit today! the country's top infectious disease expert dr. anthony fauci just warned with the uptick in new coronavirus cases and the threat of a second wave of infections, there may not be a football season. the 2020 nfl season is supposed to start september 10th. but players with the dallas cowboys and the houston texans have already contracted and tested for coronavirus. el duncan is espn sports center anchor here to discuss with us, el, thank you for coming on. >> yeah, thank you for having me, brianna. >> you know this is coming from dr. fauci. he is a big sports fan. he previously said he couldn't
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wait for sport to come back. i know so many americans who feel the same way as him. so how might his comments here impact what the nfl does next? >> it's interesting. because the nfl has been the one sport this entire time, where there has been so many question marks if and when we get sports back have stayed according to plan. they were undeterred when it came to having the draft. they have not been on the postponement train at all. they certain made adjustments to otas and organized activities and training camp would look like and opening of facilities. they for month stood by the fact, there was always going to be a season, it was going to start on time. while also preaching that they would be willing to adjust. and i sort of what we continue to hear throughout all the sports is that everyone is remaining nimble. everyone need to be prepared for what happens when the inevitable happens, which is that their players will test positive for encroachment we seen that with
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ezekielal elliot, that tested positive as well. i think the advantage the nfl has, you will see the return of almost all sport. we will see about baseball. weeks before they are set to kick off. so the nba, i believe, will be able to offer them a little bit more perspective. that 100-page document that came out in the nba, how they're approaching this season, might prove beneficial to the nfl as they prove as well. >> may moo it have test cases. i want to ask you about the straw guard in the nba announced she is going to sit out the 2020 season to work on social justice reform through her faup profit foundation. i wonder what your reaction is? has anyone ever done anything? >> mia moore, one of the biggest names in the wnba has essentially given up her career over the last couple of seasons to fate for criminal justice reform and has done an
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incredible job doing that. but, we have anna, i'm really conflicted honestly when it comes to this on the one hand i think the selfishness of renee is incredible. she is giving up something she's worked her whole life for, something that means a great deal, her livelihood, i'm conflicted, it seems like black people are the ones that have to sacrifice. i hope she is doing this because she feels like this is her calling and she has found her purpose and she is not doing it because she feels like she has to ride the momentum while people still care? because i am hopeful that this is not just a moment but rather a movement. so, if she's doing this, because she thinks that she is, can use her resources to better serve her communities then i'm all for it. but i hope she's not doing it, i have to strike when the iron is hot, no one will care in a few months from now. >> that's a real question. we have seen with other movements. is this one different?
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so i want to talk to you about your personal experience, as we are watching what is going on around the country, you opened up. you recently wrote about, opened up about your experiences with bias while you were living and working in boston and you actually chose to quit your job rather than continue to face that. tell us about this. >> yeah. i, it's something i sort of having holding on to for many years. i have been at espn for years now. i left boston in 2016. frankly, i wasn't looking for validation when i decided to finally speak out publicly about this because i know what happened. i know how i felt. i know what living there meant to me professionally and it was fantastic. but i also know what it did to ne and my husband personally. it was a difficult time for sure and i think that what i'm struggling with the most right now is again these conflicted feelings of saying to myself, there has been such this outpouring of support and that's who i am focusing on, right, the
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people in my dms, e-mailing me, saying thank you for vocalizing what i have always felt. boston has a reputation, at least the vocal minorities. nobody is claiming the entire season of boston is racist. but the vocal minority are very quick to try to defer and deflect. they try to sort of, you know, vehemently deny racism even exists. they try to tear you apart, kill the messenger than accept the message. so i find myself not being as defensive as some of those people are. but it was very difficult. i understand that racism is prevalent in every single area of this country. i think what was really daunting about help and my husband's time in boston was the frequency with which we were having these expe both from georgia. >> like what, tell us about the experiences. tell us about the ah. it would be, you know, there would be some sort of passive
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experiences where it was you know would be the things that you just know. like you are finding it a very difficult for a way tres to sit you at the window. in boston when it's nice outside, you want to do the indoor/outdoor seating and the restaurant is empty and she sits you by the bathroom and says no one can help you and you have to sit at the back of the restaurant, you need a manager involved. or my husband walking down the street in downtown boston with a friend and a van number of guys pulling up next to him. doing the nazi salute at him while they barked or being in an uber with some friends and the uber driver find out you are from georgia. she says, oh, aren't they down there picking cotton and eating fried dhiken. which absolutely happened. or you walk into a restaurant and what happened to my husband, we were there to pick up takeout. two men stood in front of the door tried to intimidate him and tell him, you're in the wrong place. he had to sort of move them out of the way to go pick up our
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food. or it would be you know sort of these, you know what a micro-agression, someone walking up to you and being like, are you from dorchester? which, of course, is a predominantly black area of boston. so i understand that not all of our encounters were racist, but like i said, the frequency of which they were happening in the first six or seven months that we lived there, really put us in a place we were always on guard. we were always prepared when we walked out of the house. what are we going to deal with today. in the best case scenario, it would be absolutely nothing and we'd have a great time. in the worst case scenario, it would be an encounter like i drive it was for the betterment of my family to choose to leave. i knew i could regroup back in atlanta. we were moving to atlanta. thankfly, it didn't come to that as we were moving to tlaernths i got a call at espn that i got an audition there. it all worked out in the end. >> thank you so much for that i want you to come on and tell us
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about your experience and also all of the happenings in the sport world right now. it's a really dynamic time. so el duncan, thank you. let's check her out. right. you can catch her in "time for change" we won't be defeated. a special aboutintersection es of sport, race and culture. and that is wednesday on espn. right, el? >> it is, see it then. next a former pentagon official who served in the trump administration joins me live to talk about the damning claims in a new book by john bolton. cut. we'll dub it. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ i don't keep track of regrets anis boost high protein...o c. and now, there's boost mobility... ...with key nutrients to help support... joints, muscles, and bones. try boost mobility, with added collagen.
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i don't think he's fit for office, has the kemp tocompeten carry out the job. no principle i was able to discern other than that's good for donald trump's re-election. >> that is just one of the damning claims john bolton in his new book makes about president trump and details oun the president asked china for re-election help and encouraged the chinese to build concentration campbells for its muslim population. bolton says trump argued venezuela is part of the u.s., he's willing to intervene in court cases to help friendly dictators and that the president's only senior officials mock him behind his back. joining me to discuss is guy snodgrass, former chief speechwriter to secretary mattis and author of the book "holding the line: inside trump's pentagon." thanks for being with us. bolton is, as you know, getting attacked by the administration. they say he's lying. i wonder if this, what he's saying, what some of the things
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in the book, does this match what you have seen? >> right. i mean, i'm going off, like, all american, just what i've seen reported so far. across different media outlets. i would tell you from my year and a half experience in the trump administration it has a ring of truth to it. i read the excerpts you mentioned top of segment that lines up with the experience i had when working with secretary mattis in the pentagon. >> did you witness any of the moments from the excerpts of the book we've seen so far? >> like i said i haven't seen an advance copy of the book and haven't had a chance to read through the entirety of the anecdotes he presents. one i was present for, when he talks about the june 2018 trip to brussels. a trip you had not only secretary of state but you had president donald trump, secretary mattis thereeer ministerial. he threatens to withdraw from
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nato. i was present. what eve seei've seen, that's h happened. >> bolton has been mired, really in this book review process. you went through a book review process pretty arduous as well before you came to agreement. were you ever warned of consequences by the white house about publishing anything that maybe they didn't want to or thought shouldn't be in the book? >> well, like you mentioned. when you've had a top secret, in this case, security clearance, you sign a non-disclosure agreement. what the department of justice raised as a significant concern, that ambassador bolton signed. a non-disclosure agreement. submitted his book for review and decided to step away from the process before completed. that's where our two experiences differ. i signed the same non-disclosures he did and knew when write ag book about current events especially about events with national possibly international significance, you need to send that manuscript in
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for review. ironically, it went through the state department, national security administration -- excuse me, national security council at the white house and handled by department of defense at the pentagon. ironically, ambassador bolton was from the white house standpoint the only one who asked to make a revision. not to do with anything classified simply because i classified secretary bolton with secretary mattis talked about an overseas comment and reached out to ask would you mind mulling that back out of the manuscript difficult for future negotiating positions, i said absolutely happy to. that's where we differ. can be arduous. a lot of ongoing diplomacy other other nations, domestic discussions. when you write about such things you have to take some measure of care how you treat that material. >> guy snodgrass, thank you. appreciate you being here. we're back in a moment.
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