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painful. to actually be celebrating father's day blows my mind so it is just another of the kind of wonderment of what is going on. >> very special. >> thank you very much. happy father's day. >> thank you. >> the news continues right now with another father, chris cuomo. chris? iuo cis. welcome to "primetime." it's time now if you indulge me for a different kind of diagnosis. one of a sickness that is even more pervasive than covid-19. i want you to witness this in real time. president trump holding a rally that represents everything experts that he picked say not to do. the negativation of everything you just spent an hour with sanjay and anderson hearing about as helpful and necessary. it is going to a state with rising cases that just saw its
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largest single day jump in cases. a state where the health experts are worried about a mass, unmasked gathering. and he is going to do exactly what creates the most risk there. masks optional. social distancing optional. please come. all of you come. let's have a huge crowd. but trump is asking everyone who enters to support him to sign a release that he is not responsible if anything happens as a result of everything he's asking them to do for him. he asked you to come to what he knows he shouldn't, tells you the only things that help are optional, and then wants you to make sure he has no responsibility. in this, you have the perfect example. a metaphor of the malady and of
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the madness that has made a mockery of the trump presidency. one set of rules for the donald. another for you. another example? look what happens around him in the white house. oh, there are a couple cases. everyone wears a mask. everyone gets tested. all cases are traced thoroughly but not for the rest of you. those he looks down upon at a rally or just living in this country, no need to be careful. that's weakness. his presidency is riddled with his own self-interest. he literally went to the supreme court hoping for a ruling that obama was wrong to help dreamers the way he did and thought they would just miss the fact at the court that he has no plan to help them even though he promised to. he lost at the supreme court again.
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why? because in america rules matter. in america, we surrender the me to the we. in america, the highest interest must always be justice not just trump. trump called the defeat a shotgun blast to the face. this, the same man who said all this. >> we are going to deal with d.a.c.a. with heart. i have a love for these people. we want d.a.c.a. to happen. >> lies. period. he twoonts kick more than 200,000 front line workers including 27,000 who are in health care out of the country in the middle of a pandemic. why? because he thinks it will be a promise kept to his base. but his presidency and its marginal popularity is proof you can no more cater to just the base than you can hope to win again by just being base.
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by dividing, lying, and defying the command of leadership and responsibility that falls squarely on the shoulders of the highest leader in the land. and taking responsibility is just something this administration and this man refuse to do. another example. the administration refuses to take responsibility for the growing number of coronavirus cases. by the administration, i mean the president. he looks at the map that you see and he says, not me. again, why? because the president sees reopening as good for him. reopening at any cost. so that it doesn't cost him. but the truth is evident in the pain. hospitals are filling up at critical rates. another 1.5 million of our brothers and sisters find themselves out of work and the
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numbingly harsh coronavirus death tolls. the deaths this president doesn't even talk about anymore. today's supreme court decision along with the earlier one this week to protect lgbtq workers from discrimination, remember he promised to be a champion for that community. it's all proof he has never been about fairness for any group that doesn't favor him. but a president must fight for fairness or fail. and trump's stubborn silence on systemic bias has been stunning as we see streets filled all over this country with those who demand better than his deference to division and his obvious and ugly attempts to play you as americans for fools. the man who planned a rally in tulsa, oklahoma, the site of a horrible massacre on june-teenth, and then refused to acknowledge what sent so many to the streets, now he wants you to
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believe that he did a good thing. he made juneteen th famous. he made june teenth famous that, quote, nobody had ever heard about it until now. so he ngt hthinks his rally sch was a good thing. here is the truth. you know who had no clue about juneteenth? him. he admitted they didn't think about it when scheduling the rally because he had never heard of it. his people had to tell him. they put out statements marking the day before this year. too many are now painfully aware of his ignorance and his arrogance, and that is the deadliest and most dangerous combination in leadership. ignorance and arrogance. like when he said he did us all, including president obama, a favor with the birther bigotry. or his latest propaganda. did you see this?
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garbage. an inverted triangle symbol. gee, where have we seen this before? oh, right. the nazis used it to mark political opponents. these are all symptoms of what ails trump's administration. all the dog whistles. all the injustice. all the irresponsibility. all the division. it's all about him and his, not about you, not about yours. this is the truth laid bare by john bolton's book, with claims trump asked for china's help with re-election, that he said china was okay to build internment camps for muslims. he defended the murder of a journalist to cover for his daughter. why? because he wants to serve a second term. and he even thought invading venezuela would be cool. that's his word.
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that's what bolton says in the book. that's why it's racing up the republicans' do not read list faster than potus's twitter feed. it is a story we've heard time and time again what bolton says. john kelly. jim mattis. a truth that is painfully obvious to anyone if you have an open mind. the only question is whether what got him here will get him to another term. here's the good news. he can't control that. only you can. just see the situation for what it is. and with that, we turn to what we have to focus on right now. several new developments from atlanta after the police killing of rayshard brooks. more than 24 hours after telling the world that fired officer garrett rolfe could face a possible death sentence if convicted he now insists that something he was never looking for, the prosecutor. listen. >> well, i think it's clear that
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we are not asking for the death penalty. we simply cited that because statutorily that is one of the possible sentences, but we're not seeking the death penalty. i don't think anyone rationally expected that we would ask for the death penalty in this case. >> the language should never have been dangled out there, then. similarly, d.a. howard maintained the other officer charged devin brosnan is willing to turn state's witness. that directly contradicts what his defense team told you right here last night. a short time ago after posting bond, brosnan broke his silence about the shooting. >> i have full faith in the criminal justice system. i think this is a tragic event, and it is a total tragedy that a man had to lose his life that night. i felt he was friendly. he was respectful. i felt like he seemed like someone who needed my help and i was really just there to see what i could do to make sure he
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was safe. >> so let's take a look at the state of play in this case. let's bring in our legal and law enforcement experts. gentlemen, thank you. charles, let me start with you quickly here. i don't want to unfairly paint the prosecution. the death penalty option was put out there as a possibility by them. brosnan being a state witness was put out there by them. this prosecutor was on tv before charges were filing signaling charges were in all likelihood coming and that is something we rarely hear from a district attorney in this situation at all let alone in advance. any concern about politics creeping into the performance early on? >> well, i don't know if it's politics or not, but certainly this moved very fast for the criminal justice system as it relates to dealing with police officers. you've had cases that have gone on for a year or two and i am certainly not saying it should take that long but i am saying it's been, what, a week, if that
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long, and when you move fast like that sometimes you can make mistakes. i agree with you. they never should have dangled that language out there because there are people that then start looking for that as a possible outcome. and i never thought that it was even remotely possible that it would end up as a death penalty case, personally. >> joey, explain to people why it was in the realm of possibility in context of the charge and why you believe or don't believe it will be in play? >> so i see things another way. i don't think it is irresponsible on his part. i think it was responsible on his part to give people the sense of what the statute provides. he is charged with felony murder. what does that mean? it means that in the commission of a felony someone died. what is the underlying felony? aggravated assault. a prosecutor, you want to let people know what is as you mentioned, chris, the state of play. the charge that he has called for provides for if it is
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pursued the death penalty. could he have clarified and said at the press conference we're not seeking it? he did not. but at the same time he let people know what the deal was. so to the extent that he was informing and informational i think it was inappropriate that he said so. as to the other issue you mentioned dangling also the other one was going to the other officer was going to cooperate. he wasn't. for all we know the other officer's lawyer could have gotten to him and shaken him and said, what are you talking about? i think you have a viable case. let's take that back. let's walk that back. so we don't know what happened. all i can tell you is when we saw the press conference i thought that mr. howard laid out the facts. he laid out the law. he laid out the policy as it relates to not shooting a taser from someone -- you can't shoot a taser if somebody is running away much less a gun. he said that. you have to render aid. he said that. there were a lot of things he mentioned that were very responsible and in light of that i think that you have to inform the people and be transparent. that is very important.
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>> all right. charles, what is your take on what we're hearing about officers in atlanta seemingly protesting in their own way by not showing up for duty, not returning calls? the mayor in response now or the municipality is giving bonuses saying it is about the extra duty during protests but could also be seen as paying them to come and do the job they're already getting paid to do. what is your take on it? >> listen. this is a tough situation for police across the country. i do not agree that officers should not come to work. this isn't pro bono work. you do get paid to do this and you have an oath that you've taken and you have a responsibility that goes along with that. having said that, though, i think it is important that we think about -- we need to have balance when talking about policing in this country. the last month almost has been very, very negative, to a point where in some instances it is almost as if police are being
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demonized as a group. and we have to be a little careful because it is demoralizing. it does, i think, wear on officers not just in atlanta but across the country. so these police chiefs have to hit these roll calls, talk to the men and women, keep their morale up as high as they can. get them out there doing their jobs. if they do their jobs properly they have nothing to be concerned about. if they don't or if they're one of these people like we saw in both minneapolis and atlanta, yeah. you've got a problem. i think we need to make sure they have the balance they need so they can continue to get out there and do their job. if i can say one more thing about the prosecutor my whole point was this is a heightened emotional state. words matter. you have to be very careful. if you knew from the beginning you weren't going to seek the death penalty then either don't throw it out there or throw it out there and say that's not where we're going because people have unrealistic expectations when something like that is thrown out in this current state
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we're in right now. >> fair. let's do this. let's take a quick break and, gentlemen, please stay with me. let's take on the really hard part of this conversation. okay? there are arguments that will be made that may make convictions difficult in this case. for both officers. i know a lot of people don't see it that way but we are doing a disservice if we don't run the analysis all the way through. let's take a break, come back, and go through what may well happen at trial, next. what makes you, you? your cells. trillions of them. that's why centrum contains 24 key nutrients to support your energy. so you can take care of what matters most. and try new centrum minis today.
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in the rayshard brooks case things have moved very quickly from the policing and prosecutorial perspective. however, you got to be reasonable or you have to be at least aware of what is to come. garrett rolfe the officer who was fired, his case, while there are charges, probably won't be presented to a grand jury before january. now, he is in custody tonight but already moved from the fulton county jail to another facility for security reasons. he has to wait a long time to learn his fate. prosecutors need to build a case. this is the part i want to discuss with you. this is not a case against citizens. the standards are different. the defense arguments and the ability to justify action is also different because these are police officers. that is not to say that they get
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a break. it is a different standard under the law. let's look at this with joey jackson and charles ramsey. i couldn't ask for better guests than this. now, let's start with the lesser charges against brosnan. okay? joey, brosnan's defense is going to be, look. i gave the guy a break. i talked to him for a while. when he made the choice to start fighting me and start kicking my ass i fell and whacked my head. the next thing i knew he had my taser and i was stumbling around trying to figure out what happened. i heard gunshots. i didn't even know who was shooting. i ducked behind the car. i look up, i see the guy on the ground. i run over, make sure he is not still a threat. as soon as i perceive that i did start giving medical aid. in fact, everybody else showed up and i kept giving medical aid even in the ambulance. how am i getting charged? how potent is that? >> i think it is very potent, chris. you lay out certainly what the case will be for the defense. i think it is important in speaking about this to go back very briefly to what the chief
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said. this is not about demonizing police. police serve us every day and twice on sunday. we're grateful for that. we salute you for that. may you continue to do it and god bless you. what we are looking at here is something that is potentially criminal. i say potentially because there will be a trial in the event it goes that far and people who do things like kill people when it could be avoided need to be held accountable. to your point, yes. there will be the argument as you just laid out but also the adverse side of that. and the adverse side is having an obligation to preserve life. the adverse side is that you communicated with this person and you recognized during that communication that he was compliant. you had an obligation to tamp things down. you tried to then put him in cuffs and he did not comply with that. thereafter what happened was really serious, really unfortunate, a tragedy, and unlawful will say the prosecution. why? you are not in immediate fear of anything. you had his car. you had his license. he fired a taser.
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you know a taser number one under policy is not a deadly weapon. number two you also know if someone is running you can't even fire your taser at him. why would you fire a gun? to the extent you have him if you are the other officer not rolfe who did it but the other officer why do you then stand on him thereafter? why do you then not render immediate aid thereafter? you are trained to do it. you failed in doing it. you have to pay the consequences for doing it. guilty. that'll be the argument. >> charles, in policing, the man was definitely running away. or was he? >> right. >> they will offer the argument that, no, no. he was running but he turned. and he pointed. and he fired. we saw the taser discharge. and now joey's definition must be changed. the taser in the hands of the untrained user can be a dangerous weapon and that's why i had to switch from my taser to
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my weapon, my pistol, and fire at him even from behind, because he wasn't really from behind. he had turned and i was afraid he could really hurt me with that thing. how does that stand up to training, practice, and practicality? >> well, you've got two problems here. the first is that early on in the encounter when mr. brooks first gets out of the car, he is asked if he has any weapons on him. he says no. then he was asked if he would be okay if he got patted down. he complied. he was patted down. at that point you know he doesn't have a firearm or a knife or other type of deadly weapon. >> he says the taser is the dangerous weapon. >> but everything is smooth until the wrestling. then he grabs a taser and starts running. my point is this. when he turns to fire the taser a dangerous weapon not a deadly weapon you know how tasers function as a police officer because you are trained on it. i believe that was the second
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discharge of that taser. even if it was the first, it has to recycle. the average person has no idea on how to recycle and how to fire a taser a second time. now, there is a popping sound. what he is probably going to say is he just reflexed when he heard that pop, you know, that instance. these things happen in a matter of seconds. we rewind the tape over and over again and have still shots and all that but the reality on the street is happening in real time. he instinctively drew his weapon and he fired. i don't think it was a justified shooting. don't get me wrong. but i think there is an argument there. i think it is going to be difficult. you couple that with the enormous publicity this has been given, it is going to be hard to even find a jury that has not somehow been, you know, exposed to this in a way that could prejudice them in some way. if you get a change of venue, that could really have a dramatic impact on the outcosm
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the case. >> i think the worst fact, look, there is no question mr. brooks changed the dynamic for the worse when he decided to resist. of course officers have the duty of de-escalation and are supposed to be trained. that is my pet peeve, i think a window in reality that our police officers need more training in how to deal people without using weapons. when he is running away as joey says you are not even supposed to use your taser when he is running away, use your radio let alone a weapon and the detail of him kicking mr. brooks if a jury believes he kicked the guy when he was on the ground and said, i got him, it is going to change the formation of his intent and what was in his mind and that is when things will get very dangerous. let's be honest. people have to be aware it is a higher standard when it comes to police in making this case. we'll see how it goes. joey, charles, i got to jump. i'm out of time. this conversation will be continued. to both of you, men i look up to and i appreciate and i rely on,
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happy father's day. thank you for being the kind of men that make our children better for you having the presence in their lives and thank you for being a presence in my own. god bless and be well. >> same to you, chris. the trump campaign. i don't know what else you can call the inverted triangle. i am in no rush to introduce more animus into our society. i swear to everything that matters to me. this inverted triangle is a symbol of hate and was put in an ad by the campaign and then they have the audacity to fight with facebook and the other platforms for silencing speech. why would you have anything that can be confused with a nazi legacy on your own political material? why? and why would trump defend it? next. in a safe place and your child safer.
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the trump re-election campaign is facing backlash over an ad that was removed by facebook for violating facebook's policy against organized hate. think about that for a second. facebook removed an ad by the campaign for the president of te united states for violating its policy against organized hate. here is the ad. it attacks the far left and antifa. nothing wrong with doing that. good for them. but the upside down triangle? that is a symbol that was used by nazi germany to mark political prisoners inside a concentration camp. do you see it? do you realize it is identifiable? do you realize it has no other significance in our political
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culture other than that? the trump campaign is denying they were trying to make a nazi reference. instead they say that symbol is affiliated with antifa. we've seen images of antifa activists. i haven't seen any wearing or holding anything with an inverted triangle symbol. by the way, antifascists are the ones who fight the nazis. okay? also the campaign ad never identified the symbol as associated with antifa. so if that is why you did it, why didn't you say it? how are people supposed to know? no matter how you feel about mr. trump whether you support him or not, you have to agree this was wrong. and the best indication this was intentional is that the campaign offers no apology.
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trump has criticized facebook in the past. they don't want social media companies deciding what is or isn't appropriate to post. okay. but look at this ad again. we can all have legitimate arguments about facebook and the other platform providers. facebook should never have had to make this call. who thinks to do this? who thinks that this can ever be healthy in this country at this time? more division? toxicity? a nazi aligned symbol? exacerbating problems we already have trump and his campaign should know better. my fear, your fear should be that they do know what they're doing and it's intentional. now, this president has bigger problems because in this country we don't play that kind of dog whistle. we play with law and we play with the supreme court.
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the message from the highest court in the land and the land of social media today this president does not get his own rules. let's hear from someone on the inside, ken cuccinelli. good to see you. it's been a minute. >> hey, chris. good to be with you. >> it seems when i looked at the dissent in this case because not to bury people in the weeds but this was basically we're not going to rule on d.a.c.a. whether it is good policy or bad policy. you guys have to do this the right way. we feel you didn't address the right kinds of aspects you
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needed to. go back and figure it out. then all of the justices pretty much agreed on a couple things. this isn't about trump making racist comments during the campaign. and really, the lawmakers should figure this out. this is a political dispute. so let's jump to that. do you guys have a plan on how to make good on the president's promise to protect and help dreamers? because if you just remove the current protections and you don't replace it with any, they'll be lost. >> so if you remember, chris, almost two years ago, now, the president was negotiating with nancy pelosi and chuck schumer to address this problem and they pulled out of that discussion when a district court froze the case in place at the time and they thought they'd bought time. so they let the 640,000 folks just kind of stew in their political juices and the president wanted to finish that discussion and that opportunity
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was gone when those two leaders from congress walked away. so this has been attempted once. the president was committed to that discussion. the supreme court as you noted, chris, and part of the opinions, there were five opinions today, they said congress should be dealing with this. this should be done via laws. president obama himself said he didn h do this over 20 times before he actually went ahead and did it. >> it was a stop-gap. >> to get to legislation. >> that's where the leadership comes in, ken. the reason they left it alone is because it left the protections in place and left the forebe forebearans in place. it is on the president to lead to make something happen. he never brought it up again. it just seems like the urgency for him was in saying obama was wrong and not doing anything that is right. >> chris, you are looking the other way at the people who left
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the table and blaming the one guy who stayed at the table. i heard senator durbin talking in terms of finishing this. >> but who runs the senate? >> you got to deal with both the house and the senate. >> has the senate taken it up? >> for 60 votes you got to talk to chuck schumer and mitch mcconnell. >> you think you have to get to 60 votes on this? >> it is legislation. >> this is going to be a simple majority. >> barack obama had 60 votes and he didn't do it. >> i know. he couldn't get it done so he had to do a stop-gap measure and the president said he'd do better, this president, trump, and he hasn't. the house passed it. he never said to mitch mcconnell, take it up. he's never said work out a deal. we both know that. what was this lawsuit about? >> he didn't tell other people to try to work out the deal, chris. he got to the table himself and it was chuck schumer and nancy pelosi who tanked it not donald trump. >> they didn't tank it because of d.a.c.a. he could have done this all by himself, ken. we both know the reality.
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if he wanted to do d.a.c.a. alone he could have. >> no, no. the supreme court just said no. it is illegal and the dissent said it is illegal and oddly enough the majority wouldn't address whether it was legal or not. >> i agree with everything you just said. the executive order not the way to do it. they didn't really get to it. my suspicion is it is going to be where your head is. what i'm saying is the president could have gone to the democrats and the republicans and said, just d.a.c.a. do d.a.c.a. and i will sign it. i want to help these people. i want to get them out of the mix. they are not our problem with immigration. >> so, chris, i hear you changing the terms. >> i never changed anything. continue. >> this is a bigger part of a broader immigration challenge that has gone unmet for many years. and i don't think it's reasonable to just say, go do this one thing. congress never does that. we have several problems at once
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here. >> the president did exactly that. he went all in on a wall. he went all in on one aspect of a complicated situation when he could have done anything if he wanted to. >> no, that is not what happened. d.a.c.a. was on the table. the wall was on the table. other elements of the immigration system were on the table. they were making progress. >> will he do it now, ken? will he say do d.a.c.a.? >> i can't answer that. >> but that's your job. >> what i can tell you is he'll go back to the table. he was willing to do that and said that at the time. it was the other side that walked away and stayed away. >> d.a.c.a. alone. >> they walked away and stayed away. we'll solve immigration problems just as this president has continued to do but i'm sorry, chris. we don't get to set those terms. if we're going to solve immigration problems we are going to solve immigration problems. >> will he do d.a.c.a. alone? >> the supreme court did
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congress's work for them by buying several years or a year and that's it. they just delayed. they didn't solve and the thomas dissent said this court is doing congress's job that congress isn't doing. >> yes. all agreed. >> the president was at the table. >> the president walked away also because there was more added than d.a.c.a. >> he did not walk away, chris. no, sir. he was not the one who walked away. he is willing to talk. >> let's do it this way. he is willing to talk. good. do you believe dreamers are americans? >> no. they're illegal aliens. >> and that is the problem. that's the problem. and that's why you're not going to get a deal. >> d.a.c.a. stands for deferred action. d.a.c.a. stands for deferred action. the action deferred is deportation. i'm just being a lawyer here. >> you're not being a lawyer. >> yes. political leverage. barack obama and the democrats have been using these folks for political leverage.
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otherwise they would have solved the problem when they had the votes. >> why did they use it? because it is a question of humanity. it's not about the law. it is about humanity. if you want to use the law, remember this line, professor, equi equity abbhors forfeiture. these people have jobs, they've paid taxes, they have never known any other country and you say they are not americans because they are american in every way except with something they had nothing to do with which is how they came into the country. >> that is why everybody is willing to come to the table. that is why the president is willing. >> you just called them illegal aliens. >> because that is what they are. you asked me and that is the answer to the question. >> it is not what they are. they are americans in every way. they are not just some legal term that is pejorative and try to make them an other. they are just like you and me. >> they grew up in america. they grew up in america but the whole legal issue here is that
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they are not in fact american citizens. that is why there is this case. >> it's never been about the law but about doing the right thing. if the president wants to i'll cover it every day. if he comes for d.a.c.a. alone, ken, this is what i'll say. you are welcome on here all the time. you know that. i love having you on the show. >> i appreciate that. >> if they're going to do d.a.c.a. and that is what he wants to do and that is the proposal you come on and i'll give you 20 minutes to make your case on what you guys want to do on d.a.c.a. and why congress should take it up. i got to jump. i wish you the best for father's day. >> good to be with you, chris. >> god bless and be well. here we test but i don't do it with animus. it gets you nowhere. dreamers are americans in every way except the piece of paper. i know the word illegal alien is in the law but we also know what it describes. lots of words have been used in the law. we've changed them over time. this is one that needs to change as well. miami's mayor tonight is, quoting him, extremely concerned
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the only thing that he seems more nonchalant about than covid is coming on to make his case about why he's doing what he does with covid. all those people won't come on, and you know what that tells you in my business? is that people are quiet when they don't want to be held to account, but one official did say yes, knowing how important this is, and that is pa nellis county commissioner ken welch. thank you very much for taking the opportunity. >> thank you for having me, chris. >> why do you believe the state is struggling more recently? >> well, we're obviously seeing a resurgence in covid in pa nellis county, tampa bay and throughout the state of florida. it comes down to behavior. folks are not social distancing, and i think it comes from the messages, the mixed messaging we've seen from highly elected officials at the federal level and at the state level that, you know, it was mission accomplished, and it's back to
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business as usual, and that's absolutely not the case. in the last eight days, panelis county has registered more than 3,000 cases and we're down to 59 icu units. we do have a real issue with resurgence in florida. >> now, the plus and the minus. on the plus side to your argument, we had three young women on the other night from jacksonville, and they went out to a bar there, and i asked them, why didn't you wear the mask? why did you think you could go into a place like that and it would be okay? smart, educated people, okay? they said, well, you know, we'd been told it was all right and we didn't know a lot of people who had it. we figured we're going to this one place. it's where we always go. so we'll go. 16 of the people got six. do you believe the mixed messaging is what? are you talking from the president or more specifically in your state and how so? >> well, i mean, you've heard from the beginning that this was a hoax.
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that it's like the flu. that it will magically go away and then recently here in the state of florida, you know, governor desantis talked about how much better we did than other states and i think folks hear that without knowing the science behind it and think, okay, we've gotten past that. it's not a real issue anymore. and i can tell you, as we move to reopening, i've seen personally just crowds of folks at bars, at restaurants, all over the pinellis county, and folks that were tuned in knew two or three weeks ago over the memorial day weekend that we would see this result in a couple of weeks. what i'm concerned about is what we're going to see two or three weeks down the line when the impact of the second phase where bars are more fully opened, restaurants, youth sports, fitness centers were all opened up. i thinks we're going to see that coming up, and so we've got a storm coming and we need to act now, and i think one of the few tools that we have to deal with an airborne pathogen is to stop folks from inhaling infected air.
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that came from our medical director today. and one of the best ways to do that is facial coverings. >> wear a mask. try to social distancing. be smart about where you go. do the minimum you have to in terms of moving around. it's not that complicated. but it gets complicated when people mix the message. commissioner, i appreciate you coming on. i wish more of the officials would. >> thanks for having me. >> i'm not holding you responsible for that. >> thank you. >> and you are welcome to come back adds the situation evolves to let people know what they need to know. god bless and be well. happy father's day. >> same to you, sir. thank you. >> all right. we'll be right back. dear freshpet,
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