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in this hour my conversation with trevor noah and see race in america from someone who grew up -- also in the hour ahead w. kamau bell and the history being made on racial justice in this country and the president's rally tomorrow in the middle of a pandemic in tulsa, oklahoma, which we showed you during the break. we begin with a congressional leader who's lived through some of the most consequential moments. i spoke with house majority whip james clyburn earlier tonight. so much has happened in our country recently and i'm wondering what's going through your mind tonight particularly as you reflect on juneteenth and as you prepare for the president's rally in tulsa, oklahoma, tomorrow. >> well, thanks for having me. and one of the things i've been talking about in the last several days is juneteenth.

what it means. why we give life to it. remember the emancipation proclamation, the one we all talk about was effective january 1, 1863. general granger wept into galveston, texas, june 19, 1865. 30 months later did the slaves in texas find out they were free. it highlights the need to communicate. and what i'm seeing now is the fact that the american people are beginning to communicate. you've been talking at each other. you've been talking past each other. all of a sudden we seem to be talking with each other. the failure to communicate.

so if anything i'm going to remember about juneteenth 2020 is the period of time when the american people finally began to talk with each other. >> in an interview with "the wall street journal" the president said and i quote, i did something good, i made juneteenth very famous. as someone who has spent his life fighting for civil rights i'm wondering what your reaction to that was. >> it's a joke. this president really needs to take stock. the people around him need to take stock. i've been studying and loving juneteenth forever. i used to participate in parades, emancipation day parades. that used to be the biggest parade in tulsa, south carolina, in my lifetime. and so we've been celebrating emancipation day, celebrating

june 10th forever. and for him to say nobody knew who it was he's calling me a nobody. >> i'm wondering what you make of the rally he's having tomorrow in tulsa, he sent out a tweet this morning which seemingly, you know, warning protesters of -- he said any protesters, anarchists, it'll be a much different scene, end quote. what do you make of this rally, and also what does it mean just looking over the summer for democrats having rallies and the president having more rallies. is that safe? i mean, is that wise to do? >> well, i don't think that the president is known for doing wise and honorable things. i think the president knows full

well what he's doing. he seems to want conflict. he seems to thrive on conflict, and i think that's what i talk about when i say to people in this movement don't play his game. don't give into violence. that's his game. >> and in terms of coronavirus where do you see this next few months going? we're all sick of it. you know, who doesn't want to get back to a more social, active life and a life being able to see loved ones and friends. do you worry about where we are right now and where attitudes shifting so much about staying at home or social distancing, wearing masks that -- are you optimistic where we're heading?

>> i'm hopeful. i'm very hopeful. the fact of the matter is wearing masks ought to be something that all of us practice and celebrate. to have the leader of this country making a mockery of wearing masks that's what i'm talking about. that's not leadership. that's showmanship. that is not what we need. we need for leaders to lead by a precept and example. he gives the precept, wearing a mask. but he won't set the example. that to me is not leadership. >> congressman clyburn, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thank you. more now on the record setting number of new coronavirus cases in oklahoma and elsewhere even as the president says the disease is fading away or dying out as he said and just hours away from

his rally in the middle of a hot zone. joining us is dr. craig spencer, director of global health at the university columbian medical center. thank you for being with us again. the list of bad ideas during a pandemic, you know, on that list where does attending an indoor rally with, you know, nearly 20,000 people in a state with increased infections stand and not everyone being forced to wear masks? >> well, from a public health standpoint it's an absolutely horrible idea. there's no way you could convince me or for that matter any public health professional to step inside the doors of that arena tomorrow night. look, the fact of the matter is that this is not a necessary gathering. we're in the middle of a pandemic at a time at which we have an increasing number of cases on a daily basis. we still have nearly a thousand americans dying. we have 4% of the global population and 25% of the deaths in cases around the world. what we're seeing is just another attempt to lull us into

complacency, to make us think that a baseline of 20, 25,000 cases per day is okay and we can get back to normal life attending rallies and doing things we were doing before. the fact is you're going to have people coming from all over the country attending this rally. there will undoubtedly be people who come with the virus and leave with the virus and they will go home and infect their families and we will continue this pandemic that has hit the u.s. disproportionately hard because we weren't prepared and the way we responded was an abject failure. >> i'm sure there are people who are watching who would argue, look, bad things happen to good people all the time and people die of a variety of things. and, you know, there's only so much you can do. and, you know, maybe this is an acceptable toll. is it likely -- i mean, are hospitals to -- in new york there was the concern hospitals were going to be overwhelmed and that the death toll was going to skyrocket even more because just

hospitals couldn't keep up. is that still a concern i mean in places that haven't seen a peak yet? >> absolutely. look, this virus is going to continue to roll around this country. we're seeing hot spots today in arizona, florida, texas, more cases in california. in the past oo few days 8 or 9 states have recorded a record number of high cases. it's only a matter of time. it will find people in tulsa tomorrow. it will follow them home, and again it's arizona today, it's florida today, it's texas today. next week it could be ohio or it could be north dakota if we don't take the right measures to prevent the spread, wearing a mask, washing our hands, social distancing, this virus will continue to infect us in a disproportionate way more so than it has really than any other place on this earth. >> i appreciate your time.

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wall street journal" this week he never heard of juneteenth. his press secretary tried to deny gnat fact today even though he definitely did say it. he tried to lump protesters with looters -- and the vice president repeatedly refusing to say black lives matter saying all lives matter. joining me now host of cnn's united shades of america, and a constitutional law professor at john j. college university of justice. kamau, good to see you. the fact the presidevice presid the united states won't say black lives matter and wept onto say all lives matter and america from its very inception embraced the notion that all people are created equal.

>> whoo. i mean, anderson, it is super depressing. major corporations are tweeting out black lives matter. starbucks isn't afraid of saying black lives matter and they want everybody to hold a starbucks no matter what party you vote for. and yet the guy we're supposed to line up behind to vote trump out is afraid to say it. and yet people are going to be mad on twitter right now because i'm not pledging allegiance to joe biden. >> well, do you -- why are you not -- i mean, what are you hoping for this election? >> i mean, i'm hoping more from the movement of this country than i'm hoping for the election. i don't think -- i mean i certainly do not want trump to be the president again. let me make that 1,000% clear,

but i don't think if biden is elected that's some magic wand over the country. the black led movement to push forward the black agenda of like hear us, support us, give us our rights and freedom and equality, that's the thing that is going to push this country forward. so, you know, like today trump has made a mess of juneteenth, but activists have taken that mess and turned it into energy for the movement. >> professor, i'm wondering where you see the energy of what we have seen in the streets and the enormous outpouring and the enormous focus and the continued outpouring, where you see that going in the months ahead. i mean, obviously, you know, democrats hope to try to harness it and capture it and, you know, have people turn up, get people registered who may not be and turn up. but as kamau says it, this is beyond just, you know, an election. >> this is an american spring. we are in an american spring.

the same way we had an arab spring, a prague spring, this is an american spring. and you may not be able to hear it but outside in the streets where i am and in manhattan there are protesters right now and helicopters flying over. we need to understand that young people have been given a special dispensation i guess because the older people couldn't come out. so this american spring is taking place and there will be changes no matter what. i just want other people to understand that juneteenth is more than freedom of slavery -- freedom from slavery, black people having a jubilee. black people had rights back in 1865 that were not respected. so this continuation of disrespecting african-american rights until we have reform in criminal justice, policing we're

going to have protests like this and i hope they continue well beyond the election if necessary because this is more about the rights of african-americans in this country than any particular political election especially this one coming up. but it's got to be about more than donald trump. donald trump is inathema, he is someone who's poisoned what was already a pool of racism. >> kamau, it's interesting the professor mentioned the arab spring. i was in terer square. those were exciting days. there was belief of actual change and it didn't really turn out. i saw you tweeted yesterday, just so we're clear white people firing jemima and giving us juneteenth and dismantling structural institutional racism, better schools, and access to health care was more what we

were thinking. you know, this is a very large -- this is not just -- do you worry this may get derailed or the energy dies out or that, you know, corporations do their -- kind of make minor changes and then things revert back? >> i mean, i think that, you know, i've said before if there's a vaccine that comes out tomorrow i think a lot of this energy goes away from the corporate level and from white folks who don't have to be invested in this every day. but i think the longer that the covid virus is around the more people have time to focus on the inequities of this country. the young people actually leading this movement are actually interested in infrastructure and really nerdy things. don't come up with defund the police because you don't pay attention to things. it's not what the nwa said about the police, it's defund the

police. for me the people are actually interested in the infrastructure. and i think if we look at the blue wave that happened last year when the mid-term elections happened i'm hoping those people who were out in the streets end up running for office because that's how true change happens. >> thank you so much. i really appreciate it. kamau mentioned the election the president is banking on tomorrow night to try to reenergize his campaign. his administration has been rocked by a week of defeats and nearly a month of controversies rivaling any since his impeachment. cnn's van jones decided to check back with some supporters of president trump to see how they view him now. >> reporter: in the industrial heartland of ohio scott is a lifelong democrat who voted republican for the first time in 2016. and along with his three sons he helped to put donald trump in office. nearly four years ago this is how he explained his vote. >> there's two different ways to

look at some of the things that he said that really hurt a lot of peoples feelings on a racial line. one is to say, well, if he said it i like it and i'm voting for him because of it. why didn't it make you vote against him? >> because we hear it and we crumble it up and we throw it away and it doesn't allow us to make our general decisions on what we're going to do to provide for our family. we completely ignore that crap, that garbage and we see what he has to provide for us outside of that. >> reporter: this is scott today. do you think he's done a good job with this protest movement coming out of these police problems? >> well, i think he handled it like an arrogant businessman that he is, showing lack of compassion for people. and what he did out in front of a church and making those folks move with smoke bombs and tear

gas or whatever it was just so he can get to that vista and have that shot of him holding that bible up -- that was about the last straw for a lot of folks. >> reporter: from ohio to michigan, which also helped to elect trump. just before the president took office i met leslie curtis. he's a lifelong republican who voted for obama in 2008 and trump in 2016. what did obama do to disappoint you in the first term that you wouldn't vote for him again? >> well, the disappointment came when he didn't address black america. to me his agenda was focused directly on the lgbt community and immigration and obamacare. whenever you're the first black anything you have to put it out there on the line and i don't feel obama did that. >> reporter: today leslie approves of president trump's handling of this crisis. is it your view that we've got a serious problem in terms of law

enforcement and how they treat african-americans, or do you think it's overblown? how do you see it? >> i've had the opportunity to witness black and white police officers abusing their power, so i don't say it is so much a systemic issue overall, but i think it's a bad -- of course what happened to george floyd was a tragedy. it is sad. as a black man it's hard to watch things like that and not have some type of emotion about it. and when you say it's systemic it takes the responsibility away from the individual who committed the crime. >> reporter: onto west virginia, coal country. just after president trump took office i met allen. he is a proud veteran and a coal miner. you've got people here hanging by a thread and they're putting their faith in donald trump. they're down to nothing. they're jobs are gone, they're pensions are gone, they're

pension isnhealth care isn't th. >> mr. president, you're the most unconventional candidate that's ever took this office. in your own words if you do not deliver you're fired. >> reporter: allen today. what's your verdict? husband he delivered or has he fired? >> he's delivered as much as he's allowed to deliver, we'll say that much. >> reporter: how do you think he's handled the protest movement? >> i think what he's done has been proportionate. and he says he supports protests. what the president and myself and many others do not support is if somebody hijacks a lawful protest and turns it into some of the things you've been seeing playing out at night. >> reporter: in november allen says he'll be voting for trump. leslie? do you still support president trump today? >> yeah, of course i do.

>> reporter: even scott? if the election were held tomorrow and it was biden versus trump, who due yo you vote for? >> trump. >> reporter: you vote for trump right now? >> i dislike biden that much and don't feel he's going to lead our country -- i only support him about 10%. trump's only about 25%. >> reporter: three states, three voters but one candidate they all still support. van jones, cnn. up next one-on-one extended conversation with trevor noah. gives his take on race relations and policing in america from a pretty unique perspective, someone who grew up in apartide in south africa.

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special report, the trevor noah interview. trevor noah was born in south africa and came to the united states in 2011. he replaced june steward on the show in 2015 and since then he's made the show his bringing a unique look on american politics and culture. >> for me as an african there's something familiar about trump that makes me feel at home. what i'm trying to say is donald trump is presidential, he just happens to be running on the wrong continent. in 2016 i say it's time to be bold once more and elect america's first african president. and when that happens, when a true african finally enters the oval office the people of africa will erupt into songs of praise. mexican rapists. >> in march like all late night hosts no b