hello and welcome to our viewers in the united states and all around the world. i'm anna coren live in hong kong. well, u.s. president donald trump and his staff have spent the past day doing damage control. after the president's campaign rally in tulsa, oklahoma failed to meet expectations. they had anticipated a much larger crowd, but the tulsa fire marshall says only about 6,000 people showed up. campaign officials dispute that, claiming the real number was almost twice as high. still much lower than the location's seating capacity of 19,000. a source tells cnn the president

is very upset about the turnout. his campaign staff says supporters were likely scared off by the media and protestors outside the event. they deny the rally was impacted by, quote, online trolls on the app tiktok. before the event, tiktok users had encouraged people to register for the rally and not show up. >> they were concerned. there were factors involved, like they were concerned about the protestors who were coming in. there were protestors who blocked the mags and so we saw that have an impact in terms of people coming to the rally. >> protestors did not stop people from coming to that rally. the fact is -- >> oh, absolutely they did. >> people didn't show up. >> i'm telling you, there were people and families who couldn't bring their children because of concerns of the protesters. >> in the days ahead, the president will be holding another event in arizona. one of several states with the number of coronavirus infections is rise. speaking on cnn, the mayor of phoenix urged caution.

>> what i am very concerned about is we are actually seeing the fastest rate of growth among our young people in the community, and here it is, a rally specifically focused on that demographic. i would ask president to talk to his advisory council, the coronavirus advisory team, about whether it makes sense to come to a community that has seen a third of our covid-19 cases in the last week. >> the president's advisers anow in spin mode, walking back or excusing comments that he made during the rally in oklahoma. mr. trump told the crowd that in order to see fewer new coronavirus cases in the u.s., he asked his, quote, people to slow down the testing. christina holmes tells us what the president's team has to say about that. >> reporter: as the country neared that 120,000 deaths from coronavirus, president trump's administration spent sunday defending his remarks when the president said on saturday night that he asked his people to slow

down testing so that there wouldn't be more cases. now, on saturday, a senior administration official told cnn that the president was, quote, obviously kidding, and on sunday peter navarro, the white house trade adviser, doubled down on this idea that it was all a joke. take a listen. >> that was tongue and cheek. >> i don't know that it was tongue and cheek at all. he's said similar things for months. >> but we got over -- >> he said similar things for months -- >> over 30 million people unemployed and we've seen over 100,000 people die because of the china wuhan virus. let's talk about some serious issues, jake. i don't want to go there. i think there are some really important things. i'll break a little news for you if you want tonight -- >> i think testing is a very serious issue. i'm not the one making jokes about it. you're the one who said the president was being -- >> come on. it was a light moment. >> now, whether or not it was a joke, we will point out to our viewers that this is not the first time white house officials

have used this defense when president trump has said something that is extremely controversial. but on top of that, this is getting a lot of backlash. particularly from president trump's advisers who have said this was the case since the very beginning, that president trump cared more about his appearance, which would mean less cases, than he did about the american health, which would mean more tests, which could possibly lead to more cases, but, of course, catching the disease before it was fatal. so it's no surprise that we're already hearing that democrats, that joe biden's campaign are really latching on to this. that they're putting this out there. they want this on the airwaves to be part of their narrative as they head towards november. kristen holmes, cnn, the white house. well, meantime, peter navarro says the white house is preparing for the possibility of a second wave of the coronavirus in the next few months. it should be noted medical and scientific experts say the u.s. is not out of the first wave of the virus, and cases are rising in nearly half the country.

>> we are filling the stockpile in anticipation of a possible problem in the fall. we are doing everything we can beneath the surface working as hard adds s we possibly can. >> new york city was once the epicenter of the pandemic in the u.s. now it's entering phase two of reopening. employees will head back to in-store retail, hair salons, barber shops and offices on monday. well, dr. ron daniels is a national health service intensive care physician in birmingham, england, and he joins us now. doctor, despite what president trump has been saying about the virus fading away, u.s. health officials are saying the complete opposite. cases are up 15% in the past two weeks. infections are on the rise in 23 states. what does this say about the current state of the pandemic? >> well, of course, this suggests that america is still in the grip of the first wave. it suggests to me that in

certain cities, in certain states, for example, you mentioned new york, that we may have reached the peak. a large proportion of the population may have been exposed, but certainly the lockdown measures have reduced transmission, and the virus is just starting to emerge and wield its ugly sword in some states that had previously not been so heavy hit. so i think this is not so much a second wave from my understanding, this is more around the first wave spreading slowly to states that have yet to see significant spikes. >> and what about globally? because the w.h.o. says it's recorded the highest one-day increase in total cases, led by brazil, then the u.s. and then india. >> well, of course. and we know that brazil's been hit hard. we know that india's been hit hard and that it's spreading there to less populated areas. so we have big problems when we look at the global data, but i think the thing that can be reassuring is to look at the

countries that were hit hard, that perhaps were less geographically diverse than north america, countries such as my country in the uk, countries such as italy. we've seen since the easing of lockdown, we haven't yet seen that feared second wave, and most experts, including, well, dare i say myself, would have expected to have seen a second wave by now if there were to be one during this summer. >> yeah, well, let's talk about that, because as we heard peter navarro talk about a second wave coming, as the experts are saying, as you're saying, the first wave hasn't finished yet. one health expert described it as a forest fire. where there is wood to burn, the fire will burn it. i mean, how would you describe the virus and what lies ahead in the coming months? >> well, that's an interesting analogy. and it's -- it is exactly that. it's around the virus spreading and finding opportunity in

regions where fewer of the population have been exposed, where perhaps lockdown restrictions have yet to be put in place. we heard about arizona and the problems they're having there with do we wear face masks or not? this is around legislation. it's around behavior. it's around leadership in terms of doing the right thing at the right time for those states that have yet to be heavily hit. >> dr. daniels, let's talk about timeline. the director of the harvard global health institute warned the virus will be with us, quote, for at least another 12 months and that's the most optimistic scenario for having a vaccine. do you agree? >> yeah, i mean, i think that probably is optimistic. i suspect the virus will be here for more than 12 months. i mean, a lot of comparisons have made between this virus and flu. it's important to note this is a coronavirus, not a flu virus, they do behave differently, but if it's going to behave in a similar manner to flu, then we could expect to see this virus

becoming endemic in our community, surging every now and then, and we see even in a country with a population of around 70 million like the uk, we see 1,000 or 2,000 deaths from flu every single year. so this is more like it's become seasonal. it's more likely to become sporadic and it is certainly likely to be around for at least a year or so. >> dr. ron daniels, great to get you on the show. thank you for offering your perspective. well, in less than 24 hours, the explosive tell-all book by former trump national security adviser john bolton will be released to the public. in the book bolton details many of the things that troubled him during his time in the trump administration. on sunday evening bolton appeared in an interview with abc news and explained many of the revelations in the book. cnn's vivian solano has more on that. >> john bolton has finally spoken out in his first interview since cnn obtained his book last week, telling some of the dynamics and the

controversies that he witnessed firsthand when he was president trump's national security adviser. and some of it is elaborating on what we saw in the books in terms of his personal relationships with certain world leaders, in particular world leaders that john bolton believed we should treat with skepticism, with a little bit of a distance, like vladimir putin of russia and north korea's kim jong-un. he said that the president was constantly looking to strike a deal without really any nuance to understanding the problematic history of those countries, as well as some of the issues that would come into play in any kind of negotiations, and so he explained a number of different instances with regard to those talks, and ultimately he said that the president didn't really read a lot of his briefings. he said, you know, the intelligence briefings should happen on a daily basis, but that wasn't case, and he really felt that the president reading mu -- wasn't reading much of his briefings at all.

in fact, the thing he said the president had an enormous interest in was the election and he said he wished the president showed that kind of interest on national security matters. here's a look at what he said. >> i think he was so focussed on the re-election that longer-term considerations fell by the wayside. there was considerable emphasis on the photo opportunity and the press reaction to it, and little or no focus on what such meetings did for the bargaining position of the united states. >> are you saying that all decisions the president made were driven by re-election? >> thank you very much, el paso. thank you very much. >> i didn't see anything where that wasn't the major factor. so, a lot of people have complained that he has a short attention span and he doesn't focus. i want to say, when it comes to re-election, his attention span was infinite. >> so there you heard john bolton talking about the president's interests in re-election issues versus national security matters, and he said that he really wished that the president would have taken more of an interest in

that, focused on his intelligence briefings with regard to national -- national security matters. so that he was better prepared for different issues. another issue that he focused on was the family of president trump in the white house. jared kushner and ivanka trump. and he said that at one point the president actually diverted media attention to focus on a saudi arms deal that he was working on, even though it was in the middle of the murder of a saudi journal, jamal khashoggi, two years ago, he said that the president purposefully focused the media attention on a saudi arms deal at that time despite its controversies so that he would divert media attention away from another controversy in the news, and that is his daughter's use of personal emails at the white house. vivian salama in washington. under the sweeping draft legislation beijing would be able to override hong kong's independent legal system. for more let's bring in our

kristie lu stout. she joins us here in hong kong. kristie, please give us the blueprint of what it means for hong kong's autonomy and the freedoms that everyone has enjoyed. >> now, dropping of this looming law is not out, but the blueprint of china's controversial national security law has been revealed over the weekend. it says that the law would allow hong kong's top leader, that would be its chief executive, to hand-pick which judges will hear national security cases. the law would also allow beijing to override hong kong's independent legal system. this has prompted deep concern among members of hong kong's legal community, including the chairman of the hong kong bar association. let's bring up some quotes for you. now, the chairman of the hong kong bar association told reuters this, quote, this is the biggest shift since the handover and, quote, you can't be slightly independent, anymore than you can be slightly pregnant, you're either independent or you're not. now, this law will curb

sedition, secession, foreign interference in terrorism. when it's passed it will also allow china's ministry of state security to establish themselves here in hong kong to enforce the law. there is still a lot we don't know about the legislation, we don't know about the scopes and the definitions of the crimes involved here. we also don't know the applicable punishments. we also don't know if this law will be applied retroactively. now, the central government authorities in beijing as well as the government here in hong kong support this legislation. they say that it's necessary to fill a security loophole. the chinese officials have said time and time again that the hong kong protests are a direct threat to the nation's sovereignty. we also heard in an interview last month with cnn, matthew chung, the number two top leader here in hong kong, telling cnn that he believes this law will bring stability to the territory. that being said, when you talk to pro-democracy activists, opposition lawmakers,

dissidents, even educators, they will tell you they are very, very concerned. they see this will undermine hong kong's autonomy, its freedoms as well as political and legal institutions. anna? >>y, kristie, a pro-democracy lawmaker says this law can simply mean anything beijing want it is to mean. it really is frightening. any idea as to when it will be implemented? >> well, it's been discussed by the national people's conference standing committee. they just wrapped up a meeting over the weekend where they discussed this draft legislation. as you know, it was in may last month during the annual meeting of the national people's congress when the national security law was floated and it was approved by the npc. it is up to the standing committee, though, to pass the actual law. it is understood that the standing committee will meet two to three times before it passes. they will meet again at the end of the this month. anna? >> kristie lu stout, as always, great to see you. many thanks. protesters are demanding justice for a latino teen shot

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the police fired rubber bullets and pepper spray in a confrontation with protestors in los angeles county on sunday. demonstrators gathered for a peaceful match to demand justice for a latino teen shot and killed by a los angeles sheriff's deputy on thursday. cnn's paul vercammen reports from the scene in compton, california. >> reporter: it began as a peaceful demonstration. marchers headed here to compton city hall as well as the l.a. county sheriff's substation in compton. then it took a violent turn late in the afternoon. you can see the sheriff's deputies with their weapons. they did fire rubber bullets and some sort of pepper spray-like substance. the demonstrators asking for some sort of explanation as to why 18-year-old andres was shot in the back in an

officer-involved shooting. fatal rounds shot on thursday. relatives saying that he was just working at his job at an auto body shop. a sheriff's deputy saying among other things that he was possessing an illegal firearm, a very dangerous firearm, had its sealer numbers rubbed off. as of yet, there's been no explanation what prompted the fatal killing of andres guardado, so tensions boiled over here. paul vercammen, reporting in compton, california. there are calls for the district attorney to be replaced following the controversial shooting of rayshard brooks. ray howard, charged an atlanta police officer with 11 crimes in the case, including felony murder. u.s. congressman doug collins, a republican, claims the charges are politically motivated. all this as brooks' family prepares to lay his body to rest. cnn's natasha chen has more.

>> reporter: well, family has invited atlanta mayor keisha lance bottoms along with the district attorney to attend the funeral of rayshard brooks, according to ebenezer baptist church. the church also says the family has asked atlanta police not to be involved with security for the event. now, on sunday, the atlanta police union along with elected leaders held a press conference supporting the men and women in uniform. they reacted to the serious charges filed by district attorney paul howard against the two officers involved in brooks' death, including a felony murder charge against former officer garrett rolfe. >> we're being attacked. these guys are our brothers and we're being attacked by paul howard. we do the job to protect. we expect to be protected by our leaders and they've all failed us. all of them. i appreciate y'all being here. >> reporter: meanwhile, an arrest warrant was issued on

saturday for 29-year-old natalie white for arson in the first degree related to the burning of the wendy's building one day after brooks was killed there. sources close to the case told my colleague ryan young that investigators are working with the idea that white may have had a relationship with rayshard brooks. body camera footage from the incident that night shows her name being brought up in conversation between brooks and the two officers. the family, however, tells me that they do not know her. a cousin of rayshard brooks said that the family has never wanted any violence or burnings in the city that they love, and they cannot and will not associate rayshard or the family with such actions or with this person. natasha chen, cnn, atlanta. as protestors confront institutionalized racism, an exclusive cnn poll finds just how troubling the racial divisions are in the uk, including what black people think about the attitudes of british police. cancer won't wai. it won't wait for a convenient time

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silence is violence. >> silence is violence. >> silence is violence. >> black lives mater demonstrators took to the streets of london for the fourth weekend in a row. hundreds of peaceful protestors marched in solidarity towards the houses of parliament on saturday, marking another weekend of anti-racism demonstrations in the uk. well, in the midst of the black lives mater movement, exclusive polling conducted for cnn across england, scotland and wales has uncovered how stark the racial divisions are in what is a disunited kingdom. divisions that many day are a legacy of british colonialism.

monday marks windrush day in the uk, named after the empire "windrush" liner that brought thousands of caribbean families to britain in 1948, part of a call to help rebuild a country ravaged by the second world war. cnn's international correspondent nima elbagir is at windrush square known as the crucible of black conscious us in in the uk and has more on our exclusive cnn polling. >> we're not saying our black lives matter mattore than you, we're saying our black lives matter, too. >> the arrival of more than 400 happy jamaicans. >> reporter: away from the relics of empire and the lodge abandoned vestiges of colonial grandeur, what does it really mean to be black and british

today? this is piers the poet, a poroshenko word artist struggling to make sense of it all through poems like this one. >> and if we aren't heard with a knee or with a raised fist, how else can we resist? i think the greatest trick racism ever played was convincing england it doesn't exist. >> reporter: for decades britain has been having its own race reckoning. in the past the spark has been police brutality, social injustice, or income inequality, but underpinning it all, a sense many say that to be black and to be british is to feel unwelcome in your own home. the black lives mater movement has crossed the atlantic and awakened uncomfortable conversations. >> now an exclusive, cnn's poll has found how sharply the nation is divided along race lines. policing, representation, history. it's clear that to be black in britain is almost to live in a

different country. >> reporter: five black british friends gained global fame after a picture of them carrying a white man to safety from the middle of the crush of a violent london protest went viral. hailed as heros, but the truth is more complicated. >> we, as brothers, as sons, as fathers have that little trust in the police on saturday that we had to technically go out to do their job for them. >> reporter: our poll found black people are twice as likely as white people to say they have not been treated with respect by police. >> do we feel protected by the police? not at all. >> the police are institutionally racist. there may be individuals within the system that are trying to do a good job, but as a collective, they're racist. >> what do you think a police officer thinks when he looks at you? >> color.

race. color. first thing they notice. that should be the last thing they notice. >> unfortunately, threat. >> you think the first thing a police officer sees when they look at you, a black man, is a threat? >> i think they see us -- the majority of society sees us as a threat. it's fear. >> reporter: and it's not just the police. when it comes to other ins tucsoitutions of power, the lin just as stark. the final moments of the toppling of the statue of slave trader edward colston. for over a century he presided over a central square in the british city of bristol. then protestors took matters into their own hands. you can see the hugely emotional moment when the crowd white and

black rolled colston's statue to the docs where the human beings he traded were auctioned off. wish, a local musician, was there that day. he grew up in the shadow of colston's statue. and he watched it topple. >> systematic slavery has got to stop, it's imbedded deep in the roots of the education system, the public sectors. it's all got to change. >> we wouldn't have a statue of hitler, so why would you have a statue of him, you know what i mean? and it's just kind of like, when people were saying they don't want to take aware their culture and their roots, that's what you got books for. that's what the linary thebrary internets there for. you don't need a statue. the institutions need to change. we know that they're broken and don't work. >> let by prime minister boris johnson who in his former job as a journalist used a colonial era

racial slur to mock africans, the british government is threatening to bring in up to ten-year jail sentences for what it calls desecration of history, but whose history? our polling found black people were more than twice as likely to support the removal of those statues by protesters as white people and almost three times as likely to say that the british empire as a whole was a bad thing. world war ii-era british prime minister winston churchill's history, like much of britain's, is complicated by the legacy of his role in britain's empire. under his now heavily-guarded statue we spoke to ida, because it's not just britain's past. this struggle is also about its present. >> i thought, why can't a young black woman use her voice to spread the word? because until these protests, i never knew that i had a voice.

>> reporter: 18-year-old aima is one of the organizers of the british black lives mater protests. she says she has faced sustained harassment for that role and asked us not to use her surname. originally from nigeria, she said moving to britain has been difficult. >> when i first moved to this country, i did get racist, anonymous messages from people around my area, and i think that was the first realization that racism is very prominent in this country, and covert racism, ignorance, going on to the tube and seeing women and men clutch their handbags and their briefcases. our lives matter and we aren't going to stop until the government makes an effort to promote that. >> reporter: and she's not alone in feeling that way. black people are nearly twice as likely as white people to say the uk has not done enough to address historic racial injustice. so what do our findings mean for

this nation divided? >> what is clear is that there is a divide between what many black britains experience and what many white britains believe that experience to be. which means that what so many black leaders, black activists and even just everyday ordinary black brits have been saying for years is true. that when they speak about racism, so many of their white countrymen don't believe them. and that is something that is going to have to be reckoned with if there is any hope for this country to move together towards a united future. nima elbagir, cnn, london. well, still to come, we take a check of the markets as fears rise over a potential second coronavirus wave. can i find an investment firm with a truly long-term view that's been through multiple market cycles for over 85 years? with capital group, i can. talk to your financial professional or consultant

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in the uk a 25-year-old libyan national has been identified as the sole suspect behind a terror incident leaving three people dead. the man currently in police custody is suspected of carrying out a knife attack on saturday in redding, england. our nic robertson joins us now. nic nic, as we said, this is being investigated as a terrorist incident. what can you tell us? >> yeah, the police say that it's -- that they are investigating this under the terrorism laws. there have been no normal charges against the alleged attacker yet identified by security forces saad sadullah, a 25-year-old libyan national. the police still have the place where the attack took part behind me sealed off. the national newspapers are all running with a very similar headline which tends to indicate that this alleged attacker was known to the security services.

these are the headlines in all the sort of national newspapers here. you can see the indications quite clearly that all the newspapers here running with the story that he was known to the security services. this isn't the first time in the uk there's been a terror attack. indeed, the last two terror attacks, the cases -- those cases, the attackers in those cases were both known to the security serves. the government had tightened the law to try to prevent these sorts of attacks happening again. but what we are beginning to learn here are more details about some of the victims. one of the victims, james furlong, a teacher from a local high school. he was the head of the history, governance and politics department there. his family and his colleagues describe him as a nice man, a gentle man. someone who was talented. someone who really put passion into his teaching. somebody who wanted his students

to understand the world around them. so we're beginning to learn a little bit more about victims, but it's still an active crime scene here. the investigation still continues, and we're yet to hear the details of precisely what the police will charge him with, but three people dead in this knife attack. and several people still in critical condition in hospital. an eyewitness to the attack said the man shouted something unintelligible before the attack and rushed to a group of people sitting in the park. that part is a concern for people here, quite simply, because after lockdown, the only place for people to gather is out in the open in public spaces. that's where people can gather with their friends to relax. that's where this teacher was in the park so relaxing outside, particularly in redding now, that's a worry for people. >> yeah, nic, as you say, this is obviously still an active crime scene and in the early stages of the investigation, but what has been the official reaction so far from authorities?

>> yeah, it's very interesting because the prime minister when he spoke about this really sort of unprompted in a way, if you will, before -- before these headlines in the newspapers indicating that the security services were aware of this -- the nature of this particular alleged attacker. the prime minister said, look, if there are lessons to be learned here, we will learn those lessons. we have doesn't recently. and as refereeing there to the new legislation that prevented terror suspects getting out of jail early on parole. getting back into the community and perpetrating attacks. and, of course, the critics of that legislation have said that this doesn't address the core issue, which is a -- a sort of a more controlled probationary period with the probation services picking up the suspect -- the criminal in jail, handling them through the early period of their release. so, questions like that remain front and center, but the prime minister clearly indicating, it

appears, that perhaps points and issues were missed, and that's already early on in the -- in this -- in this particular case. >> nic robertson, we appreciate the update. many thanks. well, asian markets kicked off the week in a mixed fashion. investors mulling over a potential second coronavirus wave after the weekend saw a global surge in new cases. as you can see, the nikkei is down, as is the hong kong hang seng, shanghai composite also slightly down, as well as the seo seoul. well cnn's john defterios joins us now from abu dhabi. john, as we were say, there are obviously concerns from global health experts that there will be a second wave of this pandemic, yet it would seem investors have their heads in the sand or at least operating on a parallel universe. why aren't the markets sharing the same view? >> well, you say that just correctly on this parallel universe right now. i wouldn't say anybody's going off to the races today. they're kind of resetting to see

what the week does have to offer and digest that news we have on the health front, but if we look at the major u.s. futures right now, they're all in positive territory. we lost about a third to a half a percent is in the last half hour of trading. no clear indication why that's the case. if you put that in context for the quarter, anna, you could have the best second quarter for the u.s. markets in 20 years. a bull market of 20% and even a larger gain for the nasdaq. the all share index is up better than 10%. so that's taking into account what we're seeing in india, what we've seen in latin america, overall global markets are up 10%. so let's break this down a little bit. for example, we sigh a g7-size economy in california, record cases. china seeing a macking facility of pepsico needing to shut because of the second surge, so it will be interesting to see what president xi jinping does on the policy front. is it going to be necessary to

stimulate even more here in the second half of the year to try to hit this target of 3% growth? that's half the number we expect in china but it is still growth. the surge in india, again, a very large emerging market with about 1.3 billion people and the cases emerging yet again. so we haven't seen the worst of it, but right now the investor view there is $8 trillion in the system globally, that's enough to buffer the second wave that we know is swelling at this stage. >> john, we know that governments are not sitting idle. what measures are we seeing globally to fight the second wave economically? >> yeah, it's good to kind of take a cross section. you finished there with nic robertson and the challenges on the terrorism front with the attack in reading, but also the second wave concerns we see in the uk. it was a slow responder to covid-19, so it has to be on its game when it comes to economic jump starting, if you will. the chancellor of the finance

minister, there is discussion about him cutting the retail sales tax or the vat in the uk. we're going to hear a policy statement from him. we heard over the week they're going to be adjusting their covid-19 guidelines for the economy, opening up more small businesses, even perhaps change their social distancing model at the same time. so there's a lot of movement taking place. here in the middle east, for example, the largest economy dependent on oil, of course, is saudi arabia, but they're announcing a $4 billion investment fund. that's the seed capital to open up tourism. they have a lot of unesco heritage sites as part of the 2030 plan for the crown prince mohammed bin salman. finally, than, where i'm living here in the eawe, dubai, the emirate has -- we saw emirates airline and etihad and abu dhabi lay out a much broader flight network going forward in july and the destinations very

clearly in three stage from the safest to the least safest and what the restrictions are on there, but they're going to be allowing inbound visitors under certain guidelines. kind of warming up here for the autumn season at the same time. lot of changes taking place. no panic in the markets, but still a determination to open up economies around the world as they struggle to grow here in the second half coming forward. >> john defterios joining us from abu dhabi. as always, great to see you. many thanks. stay with cnn. we'll be right back with more of "cnn newsroom." introducing ore-ida potato pay. where ore-ida golden crinkles are your crispy currency to pay for bites of this... ...with this. when kids won't eat dinner, potato pay them to. ore-ida. win at mealtime. potato pay them to. i have the power to lower my blood sugar and a1c. because i can still make my own insulin. and trulicity activates my body to release it like it's supposed to. once-weekly trulicity is for type 2 diabetes. it's not insulin. it starts acting from the first dose. and it lowers risk of heart attack, stroke, or death

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returning now to one of our top stories, the cnn exclusive reporting revealing a stark racial divide in the uk. it showed that many black people do not think that british police treat them with respect. joining me now is floyd millen, a political scientist and former adviser to the metropolitan police authority. dr. millen, great to have you with us. you're also the author of "police reform and political accountability." the death of george floyd certainly reignited a global movement against racial inequality, police brutality. i'm certainly going to get to your book, but what's happening at this very moment?

do you see this as a reckoning for governments and police forces around the world? >> indeed, it is. we are at a period in history which is potentially a paradigm shift. in the uk there, as in many countries, there have been protests, there have been concerned around how the police have handled and worked with or against in certain cases black and ethnic minority communities. so this is a time where our politicians, which have historically in some ways failed or have been given to platitudes where they haven't really addressed the concerns of communities. and we have protests and various series of issues around statues that go back to the colonial era. in some parts of the uk, for example, in bristol, the police managed those protests really well, they stood back, but we are at a period in history, you

know, where tectonic plates are shifting and it's incumbent on our politicians to be ahead of the curve. >> in your book you contrast policing between the uk and the united states. what, in your opinion, are the main differences? >> well, for example, in the usa, you have the gospel of the nightstick where the police were, you know, quite -- in the early days were quite vicious. they used the nightstick to ensure control. in the united kingdom, england and wales, we have policing by consent. in the u.s. your police are very much armed. in the uk it's by exception. very few officers are armed. the system that you have in the usa came very much from the uk and from the dutch. so an element of community policing was part of that process which we adhere to strongly in the uk. in my book it's very clear that in the usa you run your service very much around democratic representative principles,

whereas in the uk it's functional, it's procedural, it's very bureaucrat, but that helps. we only have 43 police forces in england, wales. in the u.s. you have something like 18,000 police agencies, which is a huge amount. but in both countries, police unions are extremely strong and they wield a lot of power. and therein lies part of the problem. in the u.s., again, officers can move between precincts and police forces without any checks on their previous behaviors or conduct. there are so many similarities, but there are huge differences. first amongst those is, first, in the uk, police is by consent, and we see the police as the citizen and the citizen as the police. although this has and is breaking down and is giving us cause for concern. >> i wanted to ask you about weapons because you mentioned that in the uk -- or i should say in britain police officers

routinely do not carry guns, where obviously in the u.s. all officers are armed. how much does that weigh into the debate? >> significantly. the old adage is a man with a hammer, anything, everything is a nail. so, essentially, you use the tools that you're given, and then the exception becomes the norm. and so, for example, in the usa, your police forces are heavily armed and sees around 1,200 deaths at the hands of police officers each year. in the uk it's much lower. in the year 2018 to 2019, regrettably, there were 276 deaths as a result of being in police custody. i've also had my own experiences with, you know, very dear family friend many years ago, clinton mckirby, suffering from asphyxiation in a similar way that george floyd did and he

died. ian gordon in 1991, the first african caribbean man in the uk to be shot by armed officers. so the carrying of arms increases the likelihood of individuals being shot and other forms of aggressive restraining techniques being used. and this is our fear, that if the uk follows the mode of america, we will invariably see more armed officers. and what we see played out will become more deaths in custody, and it will begin to spiral out of control. so we are very, very cautious, many of us are very fearful and cautious that this does not become the case. >> well, as you say, this is certainly a reckoning for police forces around the world. and yet there is still so much work to be done. dr. floyd millen, great to have you with us. thank you very much for joining us. and thank you for watching "cnn newsroom." i'm anna coren live in hong kong.

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