wallace came in 14th but said all in all we win today. back to you. >> thanks very much. to everyone just joining us, chris cuomo is off tonight. we have breaking news. reporters asked to leave the white house. we want to go back to kaitlan collins across the street. if you can, explain what's been happening the last couple of minutes. >> reporter: so, anderson, we are in front of lafayette square and maybe a half hour ago protesters put ropes around a statue of andrew jackson in the park they're trying to topple that statue and then very quickly you saw police try to move those protesters back. they were using some kind of chemical irritant, we are not sure what, and now pushed back. the park is closed and we are back here standing of course exactly where you saw the president do that walk where he came and posed in front of st. john's church and they pushed protesters back and they are

somewhat facing off with the police. you can see they're literally face to face with officers standing behind the bikes. after that happened just a few moments ago, chanting things like hey ho andrew jackson's got to go and we were inside the white house and secret service officers came around to the reporters and said that we had to leave the white house grounds. someone listening at home may not think that's unusual but it is incredibly unusual and i don't think we've been asked to physically leave the white house at a time like that but instead officers are coming around telling reporters to get off the white house grounds at that moment. though it's not clear why because, of course, if you're looking at lafayette square the statue is good 100 yards back from the white house so it's not clear why. we're reaching out to secret service to get an explanation for why the white house reporters had to leave but what we are seeing now is these

protesters clashing with police in front of the white house over that andrew jackson statue in lafayette park. >> so there's still protesters there. we can hear people talking. those are people in front of or around you i assume. you're by the old church where the president had gone several weeks ago. >> reporter: yeah. you can see, anderson, it is getting emotional. people talking to the police officers as we have been standing here. probably 150, 200 protesters here in front of the white house if i do a count from where i'm standing. >> kaitlan, the lafayette park, is that policed by d.c. police or federal? >> reporter: these are metropolitan police right here. and it's interesting because, you know, if you're familiar with how in front of the white house works it is certain slots

of officers that are in charge of the president. some federal officers like you saw the national guard standing in that park not too long ago and i believe when you hit here where we are right now it is metropolitan police and sitting here on these bikes but if you look back you see park police. i'll see iff albert can get up there. those are the park police back there and cleared the protesters out so aggressively when the president came over to make the walk in front of st. john's church with the pepper balls that they were using and so the question is here we saw some people gotten some kind of chemical irritant put on them when they were pushed back and now seeing the protesters standing in front of the officers and the officers are standing here and not clear to move them back to this line or where that's going to go from here but this time this is the first time i believe since everything going on in the aftermath of george floyd's death as you have seen those

statues and the monuments come down around the country that someone tried to take one down in front of the white house. that andrew jackson statue on top of a horse in front of the white house. >> how long were people trying to remove that statue? the images from earlier. do you know how long that process was continuing before they were cleared out? because it looks like there's ropes around the statue. >> reporter: yeah. it was long enough to get the ropes around the statue and doesn't seem clear they made any progress before they were pushed back by the officers in the area. it is not clear how quickly that materialized. but it was pretty quickly that the white house telling reporters they had to leave the grounds and i have to stress, that's so rare. i don't think that's ever happened at least not since i've been covering the white house that the reporters are asked to leave the grounds. typically there's a security threat, someone jumps a barricade, a suspicious package. they tell reporters to get off

the lawn and go inside and then lock the doors. they don't ask you to leave the grounds and trying to get explanation of secret service, park police on why that was the move that they made given it's not a massive crowd here. it is probably fewer than 200 people. >> okay. kaitlan collin, appreciate it. we'll come back as the situation warrants. now the racist name that the president used for the virus said on saturday in tulsa, was supposed to be a packed arena. it wasn't quite. >> by the way, it is a disease without question. has more names than any disease in history. i can name kung flu. i can name -- 19 different versions of name. >> today when asked about it by several reporters the press secretary tried to say the president doesn't say what you just saw and heard him say and then pressed on it by a

correspondent for cbs news and then kaitlan collins. >> kung flu is extremely offensive to many people in the asian american community. to be clear, are you saying the white house disease not believe it is racist? >> to be clear i think the media is trying to play games with the terminology of this virus and the focus should be on the fact that china let this out of the country. the same phrase that the media roundly now condemns is used by the media. >> the media never called it the kung flu. calling a chinese coronavirus and the kung flu are very different than -- >> the media and your network specifically -- >> the kung flu? >> specifically have repeatedly used the term -- china virus and wuhan virus and then gone on to deride the president as somehow using a term that they themselves never used so we can go through cnn's history. i'd be more than happy, february 9th talked about the wuhan

coronavirus. january 30th. january 22nd the wuhan virus. >> the kung flu. >> yes. >> admit that. it is not the same thing as calling -- >> even as she was making excuses for what the president said we were learning that two more campaign staffers who went to tulsa for the president have tested positive for the disease the president was mocking bringing the staffers to eight infected. joining us is a physician, former baltimore health commissioner and also former kansas governor kathleen intel y sebell yus. you said you experience back losh over your ethnicity. can you explain what's been happening? >> sure. this is the first time i talked about this because, you know, just hasn't seemed like something i wanted to talk about before but important to. every time i write a paper or am

on your town hall or otherwise am speaking about coronavirus and giving advice on reducing risk for people and their families i get messages of being a bat eater, saying that i should admit it's my people causing this virus and i have friends and colleagues asian-american, doctors and nurses who are patients are spitting on them and refusing to be treated by them because they're the ones apparently carrying the virus. all of us as health professionals do our jobs, do our best, internalize this and don't let it bother us as much as we can but it doesn't have to be this way. we see leaders in other countries are -- our own state and local leaders many step up and speak out against racism and the president of the united states should be doing the same. >> does it -- his words, you believe, they matter.

they still matter to a lot of people. many people are kind of numb to what the president says but clearly many people in the country listen to him and it gives license to a lot of words and behaviors that are unacceptable. >> there are millions and millions of americans for whom the president is the most credible messenger and they will use his words and unfortunately it will impede our efforts coming to public health. i worry about those patients who are not following the advice because they're asian american, i worry about the use of these words that go against all of our public health standards. the world health organization has a committee to name new diseases to avoid this fear and stigma and race ichl and i wish the president would use the name of the virus, sars-co-v-2 that the public health experts are

calling it. >> secretary sebelius, you put this on my radar pointing out that way back when the president visited the cdc and made the, you know, now kind of equivalent comment to george bush saying, brownie, you're doing a heck of a job but saying if you want a test you can get a test anywhere in america and not true then and maybe not even true at this stage. but you were the one who early on on this program some point pointed out to me the president talked about his numbers going up. he didn't want his numbers going up, the positive coronavirus cases in america. the president said tonight in an interview that all the testing in america put ourselves at a disadvantage. he still continues to push this absurd notion that the only reason we have so many cases is because our testing is just so darn good and widespread, we know about it more when if

anything all epidemiologists say we are woefully undercounting and the people get positive and going to the hospital isn't because there's more tests. >> i think that's absolutely right, anderson. i think the first time he talked about not wanting his numbers to be bad was early march when he was finally just admitting there might be a problem and we're still in that same loop. now, mind you, the president makes sure that every single person who gets anywhere near him daily in the white house, on the plane, dealing with his clothes, dealing with his rally, they get tested constantly so he believes that testing is good to make sure he doesn't get the virus. he just doesn't believe that testing is good to make sure that the rest of america can be safe and secure. that's really unconscionable. so saying that somehow the rise

in cases is because we're doing more testing, we finding more cases, good news, we are still way behind the virus. any public official, health official will tell you that. we are still reacting. we not ahead of it. the only way do get ahead of the virus is to way tamp down the cases in any area and test like crazy when a case appears. contact trace and make sure you quarantine. we can't do that yet because we are still finding all kinds of people who have the virus. we have documented cases that continue to grow. day after day. and hospitalizations and deaths are continuing in the united states at a pace well beyond any of the european nations so we are still not testing enough. but he's a man who doesn't want his numbers, whatever those are, those are patients as far as i'm concerned, people, people who

have lost loved ones, if we find someone asymptomatic they may protect themselves and their family members and vulnerable relatives. without the test they cannot do any of that. >> again, so hypocritical to push that message when you yourself surrounded by people who test everybody around you and everyone around you has to wear a mask but just not in public. it is incredible. governor, thank you. doctor, thank you. coming up next, talking to the first u.s. attorney of the southern district of new york fired about the latest u.s. fired why the attorney general needs to go. and given all that's happening outside the white house surrounding the statue of jackson, i'll talk to a congresswoman about the issue of statues, symbolism, race and justice. turns out it's mostly w. so, we switched back to tide. one wash, stains are gone. daughter: slurping

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investigati investigating rudy giuliani. joining us the first u.s. attorney for the district, preet paraha and jeffrey toobin. preet, you wrote that attorney general barr should have lost his job this weekend and not attorney berman y.? >> well, look. the saga dating back to friday is incredibly unseemly. you have multiple people who understand that the chief law enforcement officer, federal enforcement officer in the country made a misleading statement, some might say a lie in an effort to oust berman in a convenient way. he put out a statement saying that geoffrey berman was stepping down. that turned out to be false. he was not stepping down. we also have a report and i don't know if it's true or not but i credit the source, talking points memo and has a lot of sources going back to 2010 when

i helped to investigate the political firings of u.s. attorneys back then and they have a report that the new jersey u.s. district attorney to come in and oversee the southern district of new york said that he was told by bill barr that geoff berman was stepping down and only agreed to do the dual role because he was told that geoff berman was stepping down voluntarily. you have a president of the united states who's worried about clearly investigations that touched upon prior personal lawyer and a current personal lawyer from reports. who have said over and over again including erdogan of turkey that he has problems with the southern district. he was offered two other big jobs in washington and then you have the attorney general going about it in this way that looks like he was telling flat-out falsehoods. he needs to be accountable for this and answer questions about

that. by the way, jay clayton, the person that the president said he intends to nominate, i have nothing against him, i think we should ask that individual whether he, too, lied to by the attorney general to agree to take over the job and agree to be the nominee under the false premise that geoff berman who is doing a good job was stepping down. that's not a small thing. >> jeff, jeff toobin, is there -- i asked this to andrew mccabe earlier. is there any other explanation that makes sense other than this was just something done late on a friday night ahead of this rally when they hoped not many people were watching to just get rid of somebody who's investigating the president's cronies? >> i don't see any explanation other than that. and remember, there's a pattern here. you know? the attorney general tried to get roger stone's sentence

reduced. the attorney general has tried and is trying to get the case against michael flynn thrown out. he has started a criminal investigation of the origins of the russia investigation to see if he can prosecute fbi people in connection with it. over and over again, there are these efforts to do the president's personal bidding and now here's an attempt to install john clayton, this completely unqualified crony of the president, golf buddy of the president, instead of geoff berman who's demonstrated a measure of independence. it is just -- you know, any one of those would be an embarrassment and to the department of justice. all of them are a scandal. >> preet, do you see any other explanation? >> i don't. by the way, that was a long litany and others including the way he spun the mueller report

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as we reported earlier protesters are gathered near the white house, many trying to topple the statue of jackson and now moved back by police. the controversy over which statues of historical figures to come down or removed is one of the topics i discussed earlier tonight with congresswoman val demings. she's at the nexus of many of the major stories that consume the country. we discussed police reform. she was a former orlando police chief. we started tonight with a discussion about the role that brought her national attention earlier this year as a member of

the house intelligence committee during the impeachment of donald trump and john bolton that refused to testify said today about the way democrats conducted the investigation. >> i was fully prepared if i got a subpoena. i think the way the house advocates of impeachment proceeded was badly wrong. i think it was impeachment m malpractice. >> you would have provided that testimony. >> it would not have made any difference. >> how can you say that? >> because minds were made up on capitol hill. >> congresswoman demings, john bolton is calling what you and your fellow house impeachment managers impeachment malpractice. what do you say to that? >> i assume you're talking about the man whose book is entitled "the room where it happened." that's quite interesting because the national security adviser sat there in the room and

allowed the president to break the law and obstruct justice. he had an opportunity to put his country first as opposed to his wallet by coming before the impeachment trial, before the senate, and testifying under oath. mr. bolton chose not to do that, anderson, and i'm very disappointed in him and his lack of patriotism. but you know, he is going around selling a book so he made his decision. >> bolton wouldn't say if he'll testify now if subpoenaed. do you think he needs to testify before congress? >> i would think that john bolton would want to testify under oath. i mean, those who want to read his book can run out and get it and read it and he can continue to travel promoting himself and his book. but it's not under oath. it would be great for the american people to hear john bolton's testimony under oath.

we're still waiting for that. >> the person calling the coronavirus the quote kung flu over the weekend, his press secretary defending it today. i'm wondering what message to all americans that the president throws around racist terms so freely. >> well, you know, maya angelou said when people show you who they are believe them. this president demonstrated before he was elected who he is. this is the president that demanded that the first african-american president prove that he was born in america. in addition to all of the other racist things he said like s-hole countries, for example. it does not surprise me but what we have to do, people who care about this issue, about racism and discrimination in america, we have to speak out and speak

up and not defend the president's racist attitude as we have seen those persons around him try to do. >> the pictures of the rally this weekend essentially not a lot of people wearing masks. the administration -- other than wanting to get re-elected and the president -- i mean, the only thing i can interpret what is going on with the administration and their attitude toward covid-19 now is that they want to try to put as much distance between the president and any information about this virus as possible because there's no -- there's major surges of cases around the country and your home state of florida for instance and the president acting like the virus isn't a concern and wearing a masks which the least any of us can do is especially if we want things to reopen, that has now become in their eyes a sign of weakness. >> you know, anderson, the

president's primary responsibility is the health, safety and well-being of the american people. but since day one his response to covid-19 has been pitiful and as we experience an increase in cases around the country, remember, we're talking about a president who is planning an in-person convention in florida where we have seen 4,000 additional cases over the last few days. and so, look. this president has time and time again demonstrated that he has no interest in putting the health, safety and well-being of the american people first. his primary responsibility is to win re-election. and he is not going to let anything, any virus, any group of people, anyone get in his way of doing that. watching the rally in oklahoma

this weekend was just shameful. and it just really amazed me the number of people who attended and would not wear masks. as you said, that is the least that every individual can do. but quite frankly, we didn't see that this weekend. again, with the president's permission. >> i want to ask you about the attorney general barr firing u.s. attorney geoffrey berman friday night s. the house judiciary committee planning to investigate that? >> i tell you what. there are a lot of questions around that firing as we have seen multiple times with this president as he deals with anyone who tries to hold him and his enablers accountable. we know first the attorney general said that mr. berman was stepping down. we later found out that just simply was not true. and then the -- the attorney

general said that the president made the decision to fire him. the president said he doesn't know anything about it. there are a lot of questions surrounding this firing and i do think that congress has a role to play in terms of getting to the bottom of it. >> we need to take a quick break and want to talk to you about the job as a former chief of police in orlando, the black lives matter movement and reforms you think police departments need and what you think will be acceptable to folks who are in the street. we'll be right back.

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reform might look look. she is a former police chief of orlando. she penned an op-ed for "washington post," the title my fellow brothers and sisters in blue, what the hell are you doing? she wrote, quote, everyone wants to live in safer communities and support lauch suppo s support law enforcement but this can't go on. let's work to remove the stain on our country. here's more of the conversation. >> congresswoman demings, do you think that real change and real police reforms are possible in this moment? what tangible steps do you believe should be taken? you are a former chief of police in orlando. >> anderson, certainly, i spent 27 years as a law enforcement officer. i had the honor of serving as the chief of police. and yes, quite frankly, there are reforms that need to take place. first of all, starting with

enacting laws that really give police chiefs and sheriffs the authority that they need to really hold personnel more accountable. as it pertains to firing, per and thes to discipline. in many instances to training and due process. but certainly, you know -- >> because what? is the problem on that police unions having contracts, stipulate what happens to officers, they basically it seems like get shuttled around. >> yeah. certainly unions have a role to play and i am a staunch supporter in supporting unions who look out to make sure that their employees are in safe workplaces, that they have proper pay and benefits and those issues. but certainly, some of the laws around the states have prevented law enforcement executives from being able to really exercise and demand the accountability

that they have. and that's why -- that they need and that's why i am so pleased to support the justice in policing act starting out with a national database. we have heard stories of police officers who were fired from one agency going to another agency and being hired. also, banning chokeholds. i'd like to say neck restraints, any above the shoulders should be banned. also looking at training and making sure that -- police departments all over the country should already know that the use of deadly force should be a last resort. but also, focusing more on de-escalation training. that will hopefully prevent officers from ever having to go hands on or using force of any kind in the first place. >> a lot of that, though it sounds like costs money for the training, better quality of the officers. you know?

black lives matter talking about defund police and whether there's different meanings of what that might look like. city council in new york is looking at a billion dollars out of a $6 billion police budget. >> well, i think what we need to do is to get serious about addressing the social ills that cause decay in communities in the first place. you know, i'm reminded of the words of former dallas police chief david brown who said when he had five officers who were executed said that every time society fails we call on the police to fix it. not enough mental health money. give it to the police. not enough drug addiction funding? let the police handle it. education fails? call the cops. they'll take care of it. and what i believe we need to get serious about is giving significant funding, appropriately funding mental

health counseling, money for mental health counseling, drug treatment programs. we have to look at poverty, wages and jobs and properly fund programs in communities that have been underserved and it's by doing that, by hiring the brightest and best police officers, making sure they receive the best training, the police departments reflect the diversi diversity in the community and funding the social ills that need to be addressed. >> where do you stand on confederate statues around the country coming down? the president has been saying they're trying to erase our heritage i believe the phrase he used. but where do you draw the line between, you know, history, honoring history and the statues of people who terrorized parts of american society? >> it is interesting the language the president used.

he just can't help himself. i know he obviously was not talking to someone who looks like me. anderson, you know, when we look historically in this country for the past 400 years racism has been the ghost in the room and we know african-americans have been beaten, tortured, hung and a whole lot of other bad things have happened to african-americans in that 400-year history. we're talking about representatives who basically committed treason fighting their own country to keep slavery the law of the land. quite frankly, the president can defend that if he would like that but i think we need to take a serious look at reminders of the darkest days in our history that are proudly displayed in government buildings. now look, our history is what it

is. right? for those -- i'm not saying that the statues to be removed and destroyed. perhaps they serve better in museums or in parks or some other place other than government buildings. but i do think it's time for us if we're serious about what we're saying to address racism in america in a most serious way then it is appropriate to move around some of the most painful reminders. >> we got to take a break. when we return, i want to get your take on a number of things and joe biden's vice president pick. we'll be right back. wayfair has everything outdoor

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former vice president joe biden campaign team vetting top choices for running mate. he made clear congresswoman val demings is in contention. among women on the list.

that possibility is where we pick up the conversation that i had earlier. >> former vice president said you were on the list. do you want the job? >> that's ta really good question. >> i'm not the first who asked, i'm sure. >> if i want the job that's a different way of asking the question. i'm not sure i want the job. as much as the job may want me. and i say that because i think that people are chosen i believe at certain times to address certain things. and if we look at what is going on in the country right now, i have worked -- i grew up the daughter of a maid and janitor in the south. i know what discrimination feels like. know what racism feels like. i have been subjected to it. i chose jobs wheric work

directly with people to help improve quality of life. as a social workers, career law enforcement officer. chief of police. and now a member of congress. so, if given that opportunity and that's clearly joe biden's decision, or if i'm not the one chosen, i will continue to work hard to unify this country. bring us together. and improve the quality of life for individuals all people regardless of the kror of their skin, religion, sexual orientation, where they live or parents last name. i'm committed to that now. i will continue to be committed to that. >> i hope this isn't too personal. i hope your parents lived long enough to see all you have accomplished. it's extraordinary. >> my parents were there when i was sworn into as chief of police in 2008. they died eight weeks apart in 2009. they didn't see me sworn into

congress. i think they would be besides themselves to have me serving in congress. because congress was something they watched on tv. to be considered as vice president candidate, they would just be so proud. >> there's a number of people in the black lives matter movement who have been asked about you as a potential vice president. and there doesn't seem to be among some of the people much enthusiasm. because of your police background and you were chief of police. in a system which even though there maybe in their opinion good people who are trying to do a good job as police, many in the black lives matter movement feel the system itself whether it's the policing system or the healthcare system, education system. systemic inequality and racism in the system. and even if you are a good person trying to do a good job,

the system is geared against black and brown people. what do you say to those who within the black community who are young and protesting and may have doubts about you as a vice president? >> what i would say is this is a critical issue. i thank god for the black lives matter movement and the young people who are out there protesting. if we want to change policing for the better and i believe the young people protesting are totally committed to that, i no e members of congress are totally committed to that. we have to change it with people who understand the system. but not just that for me, i have been a victim of the system. what day do you think i went to work at the orlando police department that i was not reminded either by people outside of the people or people inside of the department.

that i was black. or that i was female. i pressed my way through that and made a difference every day in my community. i still have that commitment and i will sit down with people like i said whether i'm selected or not. i will continue to do the good work that needs to be done to move our nation forward. i look forward to being part of that. i can't do it by myself. i'll do it working together with the community that i serve. >> congresswoman, i appreciate yor time. thank you. >> thank you. coming up the emotional vigil for rayshard brooks. shot kp killed by atlanta police. how his death and martin luther king, jr. are intertwined. here's a tip: get half-off the amazing iphone 11 on at&t, america's fastest network for iphones. second tip: you can put googly eyes on your stuff to keep yourself company.

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the foun ral tomorrow for rayshard brooks the black man shot and killed by a white

atlanta police officer will feature martin luther king, jr.'s daughter. public viewing wrapped up this evening and had a touch stone with the legacy. it was coffin was brought to the funeral where the service will take place. dr. king was a copastor alongside his father. the pastor says he was not a member of the church but considers them to be a part of the church family. >> none of us are safe until all of us are safe. your children are not well unless my children are well. and this is about all of our children. >> brooks family attorney says tyler perry will pay for the services. they ask atlanta police not be involved in handling security. i turn things over to don lemon and "cnn tonight." >> this is "cnn tonight" i'm don lemon. we have been breaking news this evening. protestors who were trying to

pull down the andrew jackson statue pushed out by police tonight using some kind of chemical agent. you're looking at a live shot of the area. and we'll go live to the reporters there on the ground. you can see the park and caitlyn collins getting into place for a report. reporters told by the secret service to leave the white house property. happening in the wake of protests began with confederate statues and spreading across the country. a fast moving situation. we'll have more live from the scene. in nation that has been tone deaf about why they were erected and why many want them taken down it's no surprise that even in washington at the white house, that kind of attitude still persists. i want you to see what happened during the white house briefing today when the press secretary dodged the truth about again and again refusing to admit that the