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a lack of enough ppe, a lack of enough n95s, hospital bed issues, ventilator issues. all of that, right now, is being stored up in the strategic national stockpile in preparation for what we hope never occurs, but which very well might occur. so, it's the preparation also, as admiral gireaux had mentioned, as we go into the fall we likely will have the capability dofing 40 to 50 million tests per month, which means we can get a much better grasp of what the situation is, of the die nam beings of virus in the community. so, hopefully, we would be much better prepared if, in fact, we do get this second surge and we were months ago. >> do you now regret not advising people more forcefully to wear masks earlier? >> okay, we're going to play

that game. let me explain to you what happened back then. >> should be a yes or no. >> no. there's more than a yes or no by the tone of your question. i don't regret that, because let me explain to you what happened. at the time, there was equipment that our health care providers needed, who put themselves daily in harm's way of taking care of people who were ill. we did not want to divert masks and ppe away from them to be used by the people. >> with me now live from the hill is senior copyingional correspondent manu raju. what stood out to you? certainly that tone from dr. fauci answering that question from a republican congressman, he clearly was feeling like he was taking some blame for something that he should not be taking blame for as he was trying to save the lives of

front line responders. >> defending his approach and the earlier approach by this administration, looking back at whether or not more could have been done. another thing that stuck out in this hearing is how different the tone has been from these public health experts about the concerns that they have about this disease continuing to spread in this country, much different from what we're he hearing from the vice president. there will be no second wave. the president has essentially suggested that testing is overrated. it's essentially a double-edged sword in his view. he believes that's the reason why there's more cases. anthony fauci said the reason there's more cases is because in his view there's a disturbing surge and more infections happening in the united states. he said it's been a mixed bag how things have been dealt with and all four witnesses are making it very clear that more testing is needed in the united states. one of the big things going into this, of course, is the

president's comment from saturday at a tulsa rally in which he said he suggested to staff to slow down testing for covid-19, but when asked today, the four witnesses indicated they've not been asked by the president to slow things down. >> i know for sure that, to my knowledge, none of us have ever been told to slow down on testing. that just is a fact. in fact, we will be doing more testing. >> of course, the president's staff, afterwards, after he made that comment, said he was only joking. they spent the last two days saying that. the president said he doesn't kid around when asked specifically if he was joking about that remark. but the person in charge of testing in his administration, admiral brent gireaux said the only way we'll be able to understand this disease, who can pass it, do the appropriate contact tracing as well as to test as many people as possible. so that is the message they want

to test 40 to 50 million people per month by the fall. thus far we only had 27 million tests that have happened in the united states up to this point. a dramatic push need by the administration being voiced by administration officials and needs to happen in order to safely reopen. much different from what we're hearing from the president. brianna? >> certainly is. manu, thank you for that report from the hill. president trump has landed in arizona today. that's where he will be holding a number of events. it's happening in the state where coronavirus cases are just surging. after making a stop at the border wall, he heads to phoenix to address thousands of young supporters inside of a church. no masks required for that event, which the mayor says violates safety rules against large gatherings. all of this happening in a state that is quickly becoming a hot spot for the coronavirus outbreak. today, setting a new single day

record with 3,500 more cases and 42 deaths. before leaving for arizona, president trump insisting he was serious when he said he asked his administration to slow down coronavirus testing. of course, this contradicts claims from his top advisers who say the president was just joking. >> it was a comment that he made in jest. it was a comment he made in passing. >> you know, i was talking -- >> did the president -- >> come on now, that was tongue in cheek, please. >> i don't know that it was tongue in cheek. he said similar things for months. >> tongue in cheek. >> said similar thing force month. >> i understand there's not much of a sense of humor at cnn center but the president was joking. i'm not surprised you're either unable or unwilling that the president had a tongue in cheek remark there. >> i don't kid. let me just tell you. let me make it clear. >> cnn's jim acosta is traveling with the president in arizona. yesterday, jim, the administration said he was

joking. today he said he's serious. also today, his top health officials are saying they haven't been asked to slow testing. set this straight for us, because heads are spinning, trying to figure this out. >> reporter: yeah. i'm not sure we have enough time to set it straight, brianna, but you're right, this has been tying the president and his top advisers in a knot over the last couple of days. the president just arrived here in yuma, arizona. he will be making a trip out to the border in just a short time from now to go check on the progress of his border wall that's being built along the border of the u.s. and mexico. kayleigh mcalennan was talking about this. and she said a few minutes ago when the president said earlier today, i don't kid, he was trying to make a serious point, she says, about the importance of testing. those are the latest comments

coming from the white house press secretary. as manu was just laying out and as you laid out moments ago, they are essentially in clean-up mode right now, in damage control mode right now. as the president said on saturday, he instructed officials inside the administration to slow down testing in the aftermath of that comment, which has been turned into political ads already by the president's adversaries, we see the white house press secretary saying the president was saying that in jest. we see peter navarro saying that the president was saying that tongue in cheek and then the president comes out on the south lawn of the white house this morning and says, i don't kid. the president and his top aides have use this had kidding excuse in the past. when the president said i am the chosen one back in 2019, he later tweeted he was just kidding about that. when the president suggested americans inject themselves with disinfectant to ward off the coronavirus, he said he was

being sarcastic about that. when the president says on the south lawn of the white house, i don't kid, he's lying there, because he has used that excuse in the past. that, of course, brianna, depends on whether those statements he made in the past were falsehoods when he was saying he was kidding about recent and past controversial comments. the other thing we should point out is that as the president heads to the border wall this afternoon he will check on a borderwall that amounts to 200 miles of border wall that's been constructed during the trump administration. in most cases, we're placing existing wall, augmented wall. there's only been a few miles of actual new wall that's been built during the truch administrati administration. we'll hear from the president in a short while from now as he meets with border authorities and we'll have more on that as it develops.

>> jim in yuma, thank you. dr. james phillips, assistant professor at george washington university hospital, and a cnn medical analyst. thank you for being with us. >> my pleasure. >> you heard the president say he's serious that he wants the u.s. to slow down testing. yes, there seems to be a little clean-up at the white house. he said it wasn't a joke when he talked about it. what's your reaction to that? >> i want a clear answer, as a citizen, as a constituent, someone that the president works for. i would like to know the truth, that if he did say that, to whom did he say that? four people have said it wasn't them. there are others, secretary azar, some other folks that maybe he was referring to. and if he's going to say something so idiotic and so kron tempora contrary to things we've been trying to do, we deserve answers as citizens. as a doctor, it's absolutely

alarm sfwlg what would it mean to slow testing with the goal of, you know, affecting numbers and trying to make it look like there were less cases, what would the goal be there? >> this isn't the first time that this administration has made comments that make it clear to the public that they believe that lower numbers are better for them politically. and i don't understand that. i think that the strength that they could be showing is in wanting to get more testing, preventing more disease. the two fronts we use is to test and protection measures, wear a mask, wash your hands and stay away from other people. the president, his leadership style, he doesn't want any of that to be something we abide by. >> we are seeing sort of attempts to scrub the numbers, right, to make them look like they're lower.

we're seeing in florida a change to icu reporting, which is really raising the ire of medical professionals, who say that's ridiculous. but i wonder from your perspective -- you can't -- we know people are dieing from coronavirus, right? you see those numbers. you can't get away from those numbers. they're there. when it comes to the idea of maybe reducing testing or fudging icu numbers, does that, in the end -- is that any way to really hide what's going on? >> i don't understand the approach at all. we need the ability to test anyone who has been in contact, as closely as possible. this idea of manipulating numbers, the changes with ic reporting in florida, it makes

no sense. we need accurate numbers so we can know hospital census, so we know how prepared different communities are. white house task force itself, when it put out its reopening guidelines, required that hospital capacity as a gateway to move forward in further phases. it's the president's own plan. now we're working completely and contrary to that. it's even stranger two weeks ago, states like florida and arizona were adding numbers. and now it seems that the president wants to move completely in the opposite direction and reduce the number of tests politically. i don't understand the point. >> it's a very interesting point you bring up about adding those antibody tests. they're doing a lot of tests, as

they're not doing as many of the tests for the virus as they say they are. dr. fauci today was reminding congress and the american public when he testified that the death number always lags cases. over 2 million confirmed cases, 120,000 plus dead and spikes in a lot of these states, are you expecting we'll be seeing a spike in death numbers? >> it's going to be interesting. we're seeing as our capacity to test the general public increases we're starting to see a divergence in the number of infected patients and the number of hospitalized patients who then go on to die. there's a shift from the older population getting infected to the younger population getting infected, the 30, 40 and 50-year-olds, who have a known lower risk of death. and so it doesn't take away from

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before leaving for arizona. >> we are looking at long-term jail sentences for these anarchists, agitators. call them whatever you want. some people don't like that language but that's what they are. they're bad people. they don't love our country. >> that threat comes after protesters tried unsuccessfully to pull down a statue of andrew jackson in lafayette square across from the white house last

night. they spray painted, as you can see, the word "killer" on the base of the monument before officers dispersed the crowd. trump has long cited andrew jackson as his hero. a portrait of jackson hangs in the oval office. you can see it right there. the nation's seventh president was a slave owner and perhaps most famous for his pivotal role in forcing native americans off of their lands. ienchts want to bring in cnn presidential historian douglas brinkley for an historical perspective. cherokees called andrew jackson a killer. trump says i'm a fan of jackson. explain, doug, to our viewers jackson's controversial legacy and the president's affinity for him. >> well, andrew jackson was our seventh president. in some ways he opened up voting franchise, our first president from the frontier. he was known what they called an indian fighter and indian fighting ended up being a very cold, callous, even genocidal

attitude which culminated the trail of tears, marching of the native peoples to the southern zone to oklahoma. and so he is a troubled, historical persona, andrew jackson. some people honor him for the battle of new orleans, for helping us win the war of 1812 and liberating ourselves from great britain that second time. there's much to discuss about jackson's presidency. but of all the u.s. presidents i think under scrutiny right now, andrew jackson probably tops the list of ones that are -- he used to rank high in the polls. jefferson jackson day dinners, and now the democrat party has abandoned andrew jackson, trump even adopted him and went to his home in hermitage, tennessee. all that said that, statue should not be pulled down in lafayette park in a willy nichlt lly fashion because protesters or people who do that will get

arrested. it's like blowing up a mailbox or something. don't rip down federal statues or you'll find yourself in deep water. >> what do you make of the president's threat to arrest protesters who target statues, you think this has teeth? >> i think it has teeth for donald trump if it's federal property. if you're looking to go into a national park site and start desecrating things run by the federal government, you're going to get arrested. cities that own city statues, dismantling might be dealt with different by a city council or a particular state might take a different way of looking at it, but i think donald trump's threat about u.s. federal property, where monuments are, meaning if somebody tried to damage the jefferson memorial or the washington monument, i would believe his threat that he is at least going to start putting the full force of the justice department, going after those perpetrators or those vandals.

>> all right. doug, thank you so much. douglas brinkley, appreciate the historical perspective. more breaking news on the pandemic. another state, california, is reporting a new record for cases. plus the police union in minneapolis speaks out to cnn after the death of george floyd and the charges against the fired officers involved. we'll hear what they're saying. i like liberty mutual.

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california has hit yet another daily record high of coronavirus infections. public health officials say the state topped 5,000 cases monday. cnn's elizabeth cohen is joining me now to talk about this. and this is the fourth daily case record here in the past week, elizabeth. that is significant. how are state leaders responding? >> they're responding by saying, you know what? we need to go back to doing more social distancing. people need to wear masks. it's been a really heavy emphasis on wearing masks. there's also been an emphasis on leaders saying to people, you know, it's not just these mass events when people get together, for example, for a protest or even when people get together in bars. a lot of this is for, say, people getting together for graduation parties a couple of weeks ago when young people were graduating. it's people getting together in individual homes, that we all

need to think about how we're leading our daily lives. and this is so hard because it's been going on for so long. but just because we want to be able to, you know, have a graduation party for our children doesn't mean that we should. >> i think we're all seeing that anecdotally where we live, elizabeth. i see in washington, d.c., you can tell that people are getting tired of being cooped up. the weather is getting warmer. i wonder what you've seen where you are. >> yes, i definitely see when i drive by, for example, parking lots that used to be empty and then they were a little bit full. and i'm talking for strip malls. and now they're very full. so, yes, you definitely see more people going out and about. i will also say when i take walks in my neighborhood that people, if they see you coming, they will cross to the other side of the street. i cross to the other side of the street. i go up on people's lawns so i avoid the person in the sidewalk. i think many people -- it's almost as if the nation is

divided in two. actually, poll shows this, is what's interesting. many of us are saying, you know what? i'm still going to socially distance as much as i k but many of us are saying i'm tired of this. i'm just going to go about my life like i used to. >> i think you're right, elizabeth. thank you so much for that. more breaking news. the defense secretary is raising concerns about the militarized appearance of police in response to the protests across the nation. plus we're getting word of another shooting of a no police zone in seattle in which the mayor says protesters must abandon. stand by. hey! lily from at&t here. i'm back and while most stores are open, i'm working from home and here to help. here's a tip: get half-off the amazing iphone 11 on at&t,

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accused black lives matter organization of engaging in terrorism. we sat down with the union leader sbom of the board members. >> reporter: a month after george floyd's death, i sat down for an interview with the union's president and board members for a wide-ranging interview about the floyd case and policing reform we've heard calls for across the nation. it's interesting that these officers are not going out of their way to defend derek chauvin, senior officer who has been charged with second-degree murder in the death of george floyd. i asked one of the board members what went through his mind when he saw the video of chauvin's knee on floyd's neck. he said he was horrified. we hope to hear from chauvin and his defense strategy when he appears in court this coming monday. the theme from this interview seems to be a shifting of blame

from the police department to city officials. the union saying its city officials and leadership that are largely to blame for much of the destruction we saw from riots in the wake of the death of george floyd. the union president offering what some will see as controversial comments about the group of black lives matter, equating some of them to domestic terrorists. listen. >> we've become scapegoats in this. we, as our federation, our federation board, myself, and it's unjust. since the fallout of the floyd death, the people to blame lies squarely on our political leadership. >> you also made very pointed comments about groups like black lives matter. you've actually referred to them as a terrorist organization. do you believe they are a terrorist organization? >> there are portions of it that

certainly have participated in domestic terrorism. look, not just in minneapolis but the other cities. that's not them exclusively. there was antifa there doing the same thing. there are incidents where at black lives matter events, certainly terrorist activity takes place. >> reporter: the union president appears to be lumping together the peaceful movements as well as those with people who actually cause destruction. the overwhelming majority of protests across the country, including those organized by black lives matter, have been peaceful. a number of pieces of legislation have been working their way through the state capital, calling for police reform. the union board saying they haven't had time to read through all those bills but nevertheless want a seat at the negotiation table. is there any type of reform being pushed that you could support? >> additional training for officers, 100%. we have to have the resources to handle the situation and the

calls the way the public wants  us to do it. >> reporter: but if you look at the george floyd situation, the senior officer had been on for two decades, the most trained person there. doesn't that fly in the face of the training argument, that it's not just about training, that there may be some other cultural he shalls at play within the department, if someone can stand there on video and, you know, allegedly murder someone? >> i think to get it right, we have to take the time. if we rush it through, it could have ramifications that we're just not looking to see. >> let's have a thoughtful process that takes place over a period of time where we have dialogue from community leaders, where we have dialogue from police leaders and the administrative side and the union side. but let's do it, let's not do it in a vacuum. let's not rush to get it done overnight or in a week in a special session. we have more of a focus on safety and security as citizens of minneapolis right now than defeating bills they want to rush through in the cover of

darkness. we need time. everybody has to take a breath. >> reporter: everybody's got to take a breath. those comments likely to be seen as very controversial, especially in the case of george floyd and those who have been calling for drastic police reform here in the city of minneapolis. brianna? >> josh campbell, thank you. late night host jimmy kimmel apologizing moments ago for performing in black face. hear his apology. world's number one tennis player testing positive for coronavirus. hear how he believes he was infected.

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message for protesters who have taken over a six square-block area in that city. so-called capitol hill organized protest zone had been relatively peaceful until this weekend when there were three shootings. officers plan to return to a precinct in the neighborhood they had abandoned, neighbor says instead she's looking to let people leave voluntarily. more now on what seattle's mayor is saying is kyung lah. >> reporter: brianna, it's time for people to go home that. is the message from seattle's mayor after three shootings in weekend in the area known as the capital hill organized protests. this is a zone in the city that protesters had taken over in early june, and that included a police precinct that the police had abandoned. the city says during this weekend's shootings, first responders could not quickly

reach the victims, including a 19-year-old who was killed. the mayor now says the city will work with black lives community leaders and organizers to convince protesters to leave. this is a significant shift from what the mayor had said earlier. she had indicated that peaceful protesters could stay. brianna? >> kyung lah, thank you. officials are becoming increasingly worried about police looking more and more like u.s. troops in combat as they respond to protests, these militarized uniforms, gear and equipment all sparking concern. so much so that the defense secretary, mark esper, has raised this issue with attorney general bill barr. i want to bring in senior reporter ryan brown to talk more about this. tell us more about why pentagon officials are worried about this, ryan. >> reporter: one of the primary reasons this sparked concern is

confusion that was sparked when protesters were forcibly cleared from lafayette square. one thing, a lot of folks thought the u.s. military was involved in that action due to the uniforms and the equipment being worn by the law enforcement officials that cleared that area. now, there were u.s. troops present, national guard forces, they weren't involved in that. it led many to confuse the two groups shall defense officials taking that confusion very seriously. mark esper raise this had issue with with attorney general bill barr, saying this is something that needs to be looked at. and senior defense official telling cnn when these forces go out to clear protesters, we don't want them looking like us. that is, they don't want them to be confused between law enforcement officials and the u.s. military. some lawmakers have long said that the police forces in this country have become too militarized, pointed to programs that transfer surplus military

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jimmy kimmel is apologizing for his black face impersonation of karl malone. he is on a summer high ate is after it began making the rounds on social media. he in did a impression of malone wearing black face on tv. today kimmel said he is sorry if he hurt anyone by the makeup that he wore and the words that he spoke. he said, quote, i believe that i have evolved and matured over the last 20-plus years and i

hope that is evident to anyone who watches my show. and cnn is learning that the european union could bar americans from entering its member countries because of the high coronavirus case count in the u.s. joining me now to discuss this is cnn kylie atwood, and fred pleitgen and julia kylie. this is a referendum that they're considering this. this is a referendum on how the virus is taking over the united states. >> yeah, it is really a reflection of a reality. if you think about it, brianna, what i'm being told by e.u. diplomats is that as the e.u. prepares to open borders tonight travelers, it's considering not allowing american travelers back into the e.u. now that is very, very big news because it is going to allow travelers from other countries to come to the e.u., but the

criteria for which it determines which countries are allowed to allow travellers to come into the e.u., i'm being told, is based on how many cases the source of the coronavirus cases in those countries. because there is a surge in the united states right now, the e.u. is considering keeping american travelers out of the e.u., when they allow other international travellers to come into the country. they're also considering a number of other countries whose visitors would not be allowed into the e.u. and we are expected to hear a final decision on this early next week ahead of the july 1st deadline. >> and, fred, you're there in berlin. what are you hearing? >> reporter: yeah, i certainly think that that is something that could happen, that the u.s. travelers could still be barred from entering the european union. and we have to keep in mind when the european union opens, of course the e.u. is going to want to do all of this on a european

level. they want to be having a common approach and that is something they've done in the past as well. and certainly the thing that they are going to look at is ow strong the virus is in the countries. and again the science in the e.u. here is what it comes down to. what they do is give preferential treatment to those associated with the e.u. travellers from the united kingdom are being let in from the european union and norway and other countries. so they are not part of the common european free travel area are allowed in. one of the things that i have heard from many german officials over the past months that we've been dealing with this kro coronavirus virus they have not been impressed with the way the trump administration are dealing with the coronavirus situation. germany has done very well by enlarge in dealing with the crisis. we could be very happy that we don't have a situation like in

the united states where there is a lot of german politicians who believe the crisis is not fully under control in the united states. of course that is also something that plays into these decisions as well. if you look at germany for instance, it is probably the european country that is most similar to the u.s. as far as politically structured and strong federalism and angela merkel is seen as strong in working and dealing with state governors to get this crisis under control, get the pandemic under control and german politicians have been looking to the united states and saying, they haven't seen that same level of cooperation from the trump administration to the extent that you've seen it here in germany, brianna. >> we just heard, fred, from one of the major experts on vaccines who said it almost appears like the u.s. at this point has kind of given up on really managing coronavirus when you look at the moves the administration is taking. julia, when you look at what the e.u. is discussing here, "the

new york times" is reporting that the u.s. would be lumped in with for instance brazil and russia and then it said that european nations are haggling over acceptable visitors based on how countries are doing with the virus both include china and developing nations like uganda, cuba and vietnam. so what does that say about how the u.s. is being perceived here in their response? >> reporter: so this is consistent with the actions taken globally against the united states. now we talk about a wall here. sort of keeping people out. they are building a wall around us. everything from poultry exports, because of the illness in our supply chain for meat, to the cruise lines. yesterday they voluntarily said we're not coming into u.s. ports because they see our numbers to now the e.u. this is the summer of exclusion,

is how we have to think about it. the united states has failed to effectively manage the coronavirus and the rest of the country -- the rest of the world sees that but in particular parts of world that have managed to not only flatten the curve but to get way down on that slope as they anticipate a potential second wave. so for europe, they know it is not over. but what they can do is manage the risk between now and, say, october, if there is a second wave. the united states as a whole, every single citizen now is seen as a potential risk factor. so it is completely, i will say this, rational for the ex u. to exclude us at this stage given our numbers and i'm not happy about but we could do the same if we saw the e.u. numbers looking like ours. it is the nature of a global pandemic. you have to make border decisions based on science and our science is showing half of the states are still in the

first wave and heading up. that is not the e.u.'s fault. that is the fault of management by the white house. >> julia, fred, thank you so much to both of you on that. cnn special coverage will continue now with brooke baldwin. hi there, i'm brooke baldwin. thank you for being with me. you're watching cnn. here we are five months after the very first case of covid-19 confirmed in the u.s., several officials key to the u.s. response to the pandemic including dr. fauci and the head of the cdc are testifying before congress today and they're contradicting president trump on where things stand and what needs to happen next. one week ago the president said that the coronavirus was, in his words, dying out. but let me show you the numbers. because the united states now has posted at least 30,000 new cases, that is per day, three times since friday. and a