we've got some difficult days ahead. >> hello everyone. i'm chris cuomo. welcome to "primetime." too many of us are led by too

many people who refuse to do the right thing. and now at least 30 states have surging coronavirus cases. here is the really scary part of the potential impact of the mismanagement. the cdc thinks there may be ten times as many of us sickened by covid than what is actually reported. think about that. it would mean that it could be 20 million of us not 2 million plus. and, yes, of course the president owns it. why? he is mr. masks are weakness. he is mr. do the minimum to help states protect people. but he is sending marshals to protect statues that honor racist figures from our past. and no i'm not talking about lincoln and washington and jefferson. and you know it. find me another time, a president faced a problem like this, and chose to encourage people to do what would expose

them to more risk. he did it his own way, not the government way, says his campaign ad. you know what? something from trump is finally telling you the truth. he did do it his own way. he ignored the danger. he held rallies. if you have a mask on, the move every expert he picked recommends. he takes it as a personal affront. now, don't go saying, well, he doesn't know it is not about ignorance. how do we know? a white house official says to cnn that trump knows masks matter but he thinks the image looks bad for him politically. want more proof of his perfidy faithlessness to his office? he tells you, no mask needed. but everyone close to him wears a mask. says, test less. i tell my guys, test less. all around him, get tested.

it's overblown. it's the left. now he has multiple secret service in quarantine. need more? all his campaign staffers, all who attended his rally in oklahoma saturday, are now quarantined. eight of them tested positive. did he make them all sign waivers, too? don't sue? remember, he told people to come to the rally, made wearing masks absurd, then had them sign waivers in case they got sick. you tell me that that is not the worst leadership imaginable. the blame goes beyond trump. why? what about the leaders around him in his party? you hear that that's them telling them to shut up with the mask madness. when they do speak, here is ranking republican mccarthy,

request to a no brainer question. here is his response to a question about whether or not it is good for a president to call covid kung flu. >> the president has been describing the coronavirus kung flu. do you think that is an appropriate way to characterize the coronavirus? >> do you think that is the most pressing issue you have about the coronavirus? >> think about that. >> what i am thinking about is why that is your most pressing issue as a question when we've just seen a spike in coronavirus you are concerned about somebody and the way they name it. that is appalling to me. you know what? i think we should all focus, learn more about this disease, and stop this virus. so, no. that is not my biggest concern. my biggest concern is the safety of americans. thank you all very much. i appreciate the time. >> you don't appreciate anything. and you should get right back to that podium because we know you don't have the gumption to come

on a show like this. you hide. you stay quiet. big man mr. mccarthy. strong leadership. tells everybody all the time. i'm not afraid of trump. i'm not afraid of anything. come on the show and tell me that you're appalled by questions about kung flu. i'll tell you what is appalling. you haven't said a damn thing about what this president has been misleading america about and you know it. think about if it were your daughters. think about it. would you want them going with no mask? would you tell them masks are weakness? is that what you're doing for them? how about your parents? how about the vulnerable people in your family? you telling them? go on out there. take a deep breath. what is the worst that can happen? what do you have to lose? you're appalled. you are appalling. you're not appalled. you're not appalled at all. you ducked the question because you can't risk your relationship

with the president because he keeps you in power. you fear him. you are one of those politicians that does things out of fear of consequence. you are not about good conscience. prove me wrong. show me where you said the president is wrong to talk down about masks. we have to do better. we have to contact trace. where is it? where have you said it? we need to learn more about the disease. you're not applying what you already know. and why? that is the question. we don't need to know any more about what we need to do. you want to see proof of it? people who sang the trump song to show this absurd, this perversion of republicanism? republicans aren't about flouting science. republicans aren't about not caring about the facts. this is a fringe. that's what it is. and when they play the game more and more they're getting burned. the governor of texas. listen to him now. >> i know that some people feel that wearing a mask is

inconvenient or that it is an infringement of freedom but i also know that wearing a mask will help us to keep texas open. >> you went too soon. you played the game. you got burned. now you want to play it the right way but you're late. and the cost is real and it may come in lives. so now he's got to grind it to a halt. you remember on this show, you remember us reaching out to him and having different mayors. again, he wouldn't come on. these guys have so much to say, as long as nobody questions what is said. as soon as they have to account for their decisions and their arguments, just nodding heads. yes. masks are mind controlled. yes. come on. hospitals inundated with an explosion of patients. we're so surprised. what surprise? what did you think would happen?

you played politics instead of protecting people. and there should be a price. take a look at houston. it could become the hardest hit city in america soon and there is no reason we needed to be here. none. we had advance warning. houston is a sophisticated place. texas is a sophisticated place. plenty of resources. plenty of foresight. but here we are. houston mayor sylvester turner. sir, thank you for coming to primetime. thank you for taking the opportunity. i am not hanging on you the mantle of what got you here. but now you have to figure out how to get out of it. tell me if i'm wrong but i've been covering your state on this and abbott was right up there with the trump talk of, oh, this isn't that bad. we got to keep everything open. you know, we don't need to do this kind of isolation. nothing extreme. we're opening early because we're strong. don't mess with texas.

how did that work out? >> well, chris, it is not working out too well at this moment. i will tell you, when new york shut down, in march the city of houston shut down as well. the end of april our numbers were relatively speaking quite good. through may quite good. we started opening up in may. we'll agree that it was my opinion then we were opening too quickly too soon. and now in june just like in the last ten days, our numbers have been exponentially increasing. today i reported an additional 924 positive cases. yesterday, it was around 900. monday it was 1700. in the last seven days we have added about 7,000 new cases. and the numbers continue to rise. >> and you'll have the lagging indicators of the god forbids. you'll have the hospitalizations, right, first symptoms, then testing, and you get positive cases.

and/or you start to see them showing up at the hospitals and getting tested positive and you have the god forbids the people who get stuck on the ventilators and worse. mr. mayor, first things first here as the human angle. you, your family, your team. how is everybody doing? >> thanks for asking, chris. my family is good. i watched you and your story and what you went through. saw the mayor of miami last night, good friend, and what he has come through. my family is good but, look, i have 2.3 million people in the city of houston. >> they're your family, too. i've heard that, look, i've been in houston so much reporting over the years. i have enjoyed the culture in dallas and houston. not the same. but i've been all over the state from east to west, north to south. my fire here is not about politics. it is the god forbid of people having to go through what i went

through or worse when it wasn't necessary. i don't want anybody to gain or lose because of coronavirus but do you have any doubt in your mind that if masks had been in place and you had done the social distancing and gone slower that you'd be in a better place today? >> no, i have no doubt. what we did in shutting down early, putting on the masks, social distancing, proper hygiene, all of those things working in combination were working. >> will the numbers scare people enough to do the right thing, mr. mayor? >> well, i'm hoping that they are. we certainly are letting people know that we're moving quickly in the wrong direction. look, this is houston. when we work together, we are able to do great things. and we manage. we flattened this virus toward the end of april. the numbers were going down. so it was working. now the numbers are moving in the right direction. we open up quickly. too soon. we started resocializing, coming back together, fueling this virus, and the virus is

reminding us every day that it never left us. that it loves closeness. and the numbers are starting to tick up. now we need to get on top of it and we'll inning two to three weeks if people put back on their masks, keep the mask on and engage in social distancing, whether that will help stop the exponential increase of this virus. >> in houston are masks a maybe or a must in terms of the law? >> well, just last week the governor gave the local authorities back some power to require commercial and businesses to require their employees and visitors to put on masks. we don't have the authority to require every individual in groups to put on their mask. only those individuals, those businesses or their employees and visitors. so that -- those local orders have gone into effect now. and we are encouraging people, sending out inspectors, monitoring, and making sure businesses are complying with

that order. it doesn't go nearly as far as i would like it to go, but hopefully we are now engaged in a very active p.r. campaign encouraging all people in the city of houston when engaged with others to put on their masks. i am hoping and praying and asking the people of the city of thunts do just that. we know that putting on masks works. we know that. i'm hoping houstonians will do it. >> more importantly you know what happens when you don't use them now. mayor turner, god bless you and your family and your extended family, all 2.3 million of them as well. i know abbott tied your hands. i know he still has one hand tied because you can only deal with businesses but hopefully people don't need to be punished. they just know it is the right thing now. and that it was hype they didn't need the mask. hopefully people in texas have always been smart and that they come together like they have many times in the past. >> thank you, chris. >> i'm not pointing the finger. i wish you well.

i wish you safety. i wish you good health. please, please, wear the masks. it's not about politics. it is about people. take care of yourself. take care of the people in your communities and your families. god forbid you go through what i and my family did or worse. i hope it happens to none of you. but you're asking for it. public health experts like dr. fauci warned us. the virus sets the timeline for reopening. we don't. we didn't listen. and we do know that distancing works. we do know that masks work. we let our guard down. and it was a mistake. so what do we do now? we have to do better. another health authority will help drill into why this is happening and what we know we can do to stop it. it is not too late. we're just taking too long. next.

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please let's all come together and fight fringe thinking. coronavirus doesn't just hit big areas. it is not just a blue state or a left/right problem. here is the proof. please look at this map. cases at the county level. ooh that is confused. no. do it by shade. you see all the red and what the legend tells you red means? it means areas large and small are seeing a high number of infections especially in the south and the southwest. it looks bad because it is. the reality is even worse. because of the cdc announcement today. to me the headline of the day.

cases could be ten times the number we know about. why? because we are still not testing enough. trump says we should slow the testing down. yeah. because he believes the more you know about the reality the worse it will be for him and the recovery he believes he needs. we can't allow that kind of leadership. you need proof of the argument? let's bring in an expert dr. william schaffner in one of those bright red areas right now. welcome back to "primetime." i hope the family is well and your team is well. >> everything is well here. you sound great, chris. good. >> i'm upset because i do not want to see people suffer what i and my family did or worse because they buy into misinformation. the idea that masks you don't really need it and in truth this really just hits the big cities and big, dense areas. isn't that kind of thinking

fueling part of what we're seeing? >> for sure. when the virus first came here it did go to the big cities and we had hot spots. then it slowly began to seep out into middle size cities, nashville. now it is getting out to smaller cities, small towns, to very rural areas. what i am concerned about since the virus is now seeded throughout the united states, come the fall, when it kicks up again, it is going to kick up everywhere and small, rural hospitals will find themselves taking care of covid patients they can't transfer to the major medical centers because the intensive care units there are already full. chris, i hate to be grim, but i'm afraid the second wave this fall could be worse. than the first wave we are still experiencing. >> look, it is just so sickening because we didn't have to be

here. and we cannot count on leadership from the top to get us out of it. that is why i'm appealing to the state leadership. not just my brother. i'll have them fron anywhere any municipal level to talk about the right measures to spread the word and that is why i was so happy to have you on tonight to talk about the new cdc headline. the number could be ten times more. what does this tell us about what we've learned about testing and what we need to do in terms of testing to get a better handle on this? >> well, clearly, testing needs to expand even further. we need to make sure that everyone who is ill with appropriate symptoms gets access to a test. we need to focus tests where they are needed. nursing homes, prisons, institutions such as businesses where there are outbreaks, migrant, agricultural workers, high risk populations to really find out what the extent of the

infection is here in the united states. it's out there. it's spreading much more widely than even the statistics show. everybody keeps saying on the federal level we're doing more than anybody else. it's not true. look at the cases compared to the rest of the world. thank you for being a steady ship in a storm. always appreciate it. >> good to be with you. >> all right. now, we can keep our eye on multiple balls, right? there is another case we have to focus on here because it is an example of how everything that happens seems so wrong and yet it doesn't lead to any real action when it comes to reforming policing in america. a case out of colorado you probably haven't heard about happened back in 2019. an unarmed black man who died after getting into it with the

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elijah mcclain. another name that now must be on the list. 23-year-old died in police custody last august, 2019. in the denver suburb of aurora. his case had been closed. after more than 2 million people signed a petition for a new investigation colorado's governor is now re-examining what happened. here is some of what we know. mcclain was stopped by three officers, white officers, as he walked home from a convenience store.

a 911 caller had reported seeing a suspicious person wearing a mask. indeed, mcclain was wearing a ski mask. see him? he is not holding up the store by the way. the video makes it clear he is standing in line and he buys his things. pays, leaves. has a mask on. why? because supposedly he had anemia and would sometimes get cold. i think there is going to be another suggestion for why he did this and a lot of other things. a look at the body camera footage shows how the situation escalated with the police. >> stop. stop. stop. stop. i have a right to stop you because you're being suspicious. turn around. >> well okay. >> turn around. stop. stop, dude. stop tensing up, bro. stop tensing up. stop tensing up. >> let go of me. no. let go of me. i am an introvert. respect the boundaries i am speaking.

>> yeah, you know what? that is enough of it. i do not need to -- you know what is about to happen. he is not going to listen. there are going to be more officers. they're going to get on him. one of them is going to choke him. you're going to hear an officer say, hey, dude, he grabbed your gun. in that kind of tone. not, hey, he grabbed your gun! hey, dude. he grabbed your gun. you don't see any grabbing of the gun. why? because the body cameras have fallen in the grass. i am not saying that is suspicious. i'm just saying you don't see it. two questions. did they have good reason to stop him based on the legal standard of having a reasonable suspicion he had committed a crime or was about to or had just? or was it just as clear as the guy may have something wrong with him? the second question. once they decided to treat him like a potential criminal and not a potential mental health care case, was a chokehold

necessary? they called a carotid, whatever, a fancy name for choking him. okay? they say oh, it is done to help get control. it is helped to make somebody pass out and that is exactly what happened here and why colorado outlawed chokeholds just a few weeks ago. paramedics show up. they sedate him with a drug that is a little controversial. the police report says mcclain had a heart attack on the way to the hospital. declared brain dead three days later. officers are put on administrative leave. no one is fired. all reinstated after prosecutors said, just not there. can't really tell it was a homicide. can't really tell it was justifiable or not. how can everything go so wrong and yet everything turn out right for the officers? ten months later outcry on social media prompting an independent investigation. the governor announced it today. mcclain's loved ones, remember, a gentle and kind soul who

worked as a massage therapist and loved to play the violin to animals at a shelter. you heard him on the body cam. he was on the way home listening to music. the officer said he had super human strength. he had weed in his system and the drug they gave him. nothing else. the person who did the autopsy or one of the medical professionals for the police said he was about a hundred kilograms. that is 220 pounds. what i weigh. his actual weight? 140. he was unarmed. how can everything seem so wrong and yet nothing happened? the district attorney on the case originally cleared the officers of wrongdoing. why? he is going to tell us right after this. you're first.

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and until this fight is over, we...will...never...quit. because they never quit. the elijah mcclain case is going to get a second look at the state level. the district attorney who said

he could not bring a good case wanted to speak out about why. he did so in written form and now he wants to make the case to you. that is district attorney dave young joining us now. sir, thank you for taking the opportunity. i'm not here to come at you with hot breath. this is all very sad. and we hear that all the time. but this is one of those situations where i need you to help my audience understand why everything seems like it was handled so wrong and yet everything wound up being okay for the officers. why fts what they did and their decision to stop and how they treated him and what happened how is that justifiable in your explanation? >> good evening, chris. i'm more than happy to explain that. first of all i need to explain what my role is in the investigation. >> can you hear mr. district attorney better than i can? i want to make sure it's just me

who can't hear you. can you hear the district attorney? i'm just going to turn you -- all right. if the audience can hear you, please keep going sir. now we're good. >> sure. my role in this investigation was to determine whether or not i can prove a criminal violation in the state of colorado beyond a reasonable doubt in front of a jury. that is my role in the case. i'm not here to condone their actions. i disagree with what they did on the night of august 24th, 2019. >> understood. let's just do it step by step so people can understand the legal analysis from your perspective. they get a call there is a guy in a mask. they show up. there is a guy in a mask. he is acting in a completely normal way from what we see on the video. i think by most indications as soon as you contact this man you should have known with any kind of training, forget about this. this is when he was in the store. you can't see what i'm putting on tv. this is him just buying his stuff.

the officers didn't have the benefit at this time. but the man they encounter is carrying a bag with his phone walking home he says listening to music. what makes him suspicious of criminality in your mind? >> well, you are missing a very critical point. we had a citizen call 911 saying a man with a mask on acting suspicious. >> right. >> 911 is what triggered the officers to go to the scene. without that 911 call, the officers don't have contact with elijah mcclain. >> a 911 call is not a prima facie basis for reasonable suspicion of criminality. >> the officers do not know that at this time, chris. >> no. then they contact him. >> they get dispatched by a dispatcher who says we just had a report of a suspicious person walking down the street with a ski mask on. >> which they find. they go out to investigate that.

>> and they find him and walk up to him and he says i'm going home. they say, no. he says why are you stopping me? the cop says because you're acting suspiciously. how? what is reasonable in the assessment of his suspicion? >> you are doing exactly what i cannot do. you have the privilege of knowing everything that was going on with elijah mcclain at the convenience store and everywhere else. the officers had no idea what elijah mcclain is doing at the time. they see a man in a mask, matching a description someone called 911 about. they're going up to him to investigate. >> right. they walk up to him and you don't get to just put your hands on somebody because somebody at 911 called. and said a masked man is acting suspicious. you don't get to stop me on that. we both know that. you need more. >> no. you have to have a reasonable suspicion which someone calling 911 and saying there is a suspicious person out there and then they try to contact him and of course he's got head phones on and can't hear them.

but the officers do not know that. the officers think he is ignoring them and not complying with their commands. >> then they start to tussle. here is the next material fact. they start to tussle and he starts saying this bizarre stuff. i'm being censored. look. we both know being in this business for as long as we have been that that is bizarre talk of someone obviously deranged and yet they treat him as what we hear all the time. he had super human strength. it took all of us to take him down. he reached for a gun. which the officer says in the following tone of voice. he reached for your gun, dude. and that is enough to paut chokehold on a guy with three officers? >> first of all the officers have no idea, no knowledge about elijah mcclain. they don't know anything about him. they are in a situation where they have to react to everything happening right in front of them. >> not your problem, d.a., but

part of the problem, just to step sideways this is proof that cops shouldn't be called to every kind of stop. when you have a mental health case they should call in people who know how to deal with this if they can't train the officers to deal with it. that is not your problem. keep going with your analysis. >> are you saying officers shouldn't respond to the 911 calls? >> no. clever device but that is not what i said at all. what i'm saying is when a 911 call comes in and you come and you see someone who is clearly acting in a deranged manner, you stop. don't treat him like a criminal. treat him like he might be sick. don't make up things about him carrying a plastic bag that may have been filled with weapons. and call in a mental health person seeing you don't have the training because you are about to treat him like he is some kind of savage and is going to wind up dead. maybe there is a better way to do it. that is what i'm saying. >> if you want me to explain my decision i'm more than happy to.

>> go ahead. that's why i said a step sideways. not your issue but an issue. >> my role is to determine whether a criminal charge should be filed. the criminal charges i'm looking at are homicide. we've got several different theories of homicide here in colorado. in each and every one of those i must prove beyond a reasonable doubt those officers caused the death of elijah mcclain. you should know if you don't already that the forensic autopsy report cannot determine the cause of death of mr. mcclain. how in the world can i file homicide charges when i can't prove that critical element beyond a reasonable doubt the cause of death? >> who says you can't? a pathologist report is just one aspect of an investigation. he didn't rule anything out. he said it could have been homicide, could have been accidental. could have been natural. he doesn't know. he lookds at the drugs in the system and saw marijuana -- >> based on speculation. >> you could have investigated

more. you're saying if a pathologist doesn't give you a home run you never go forward with a case. >> there is no injuries to him whatsoever. >> he is dead. he's dead. >> yeah. if you want to say the forensic pathologist doesn't know what he is doing you can say it all you want. >> that's what you're saying to get away from my question. no injuries. the guy is dead. clearly, things happened to him that were wrong, mr. da. >> yeah. he's got a heart with a very narrow valve, aorta valve and probably most likely died from excited delirium. >> hum. >> a heart attack. >> didn't they teach you something in law school called the egg shell plaintiff that you take somebody as you find them? if you choke somebody and they have a condition with their carotid artery and they die that should be part of the analysis of whether the force was justified? >> no. that is not correct. >> why not? >> because i have to prove

beyond a reasonable doubt that the actions of those officers killed elijah mcclain. >> what if you could just show it contributed? >> the forensic autopsy report and forensic pathologist who indicated to detectives that this young man could have died the next day by mowing his lawn. how do i overcome that? >> i do not see that in the report anywhere but i'm giving you -- i'm not giving you anything. you are correct that the pathologist couldn't make a solid determination on why he died. i'm not disputing that at all. i'm not disputing any of your analyses. i'm just trying to take people through why this happened. i am not here to roast you. i feel for your position. i just want to help people understand. but he did not say the guy could have dropped dead mowing his lawn the next day. not in any of the stuff you offered. he said he found weed in his system so i don't get where the super human strength comes from with a 5'6", 140-pound guy. he put his estimated weight at 100 kilograms.

he was off by 80 pounds on the guy's weight. so, you know, that is not the best kind of indication of good judgment. but just because he doesn't give you that this is exactly why he died doesn't mean that you couldn't investigate for a contributory role in the man's death. you have criminally negligent homicide in colorado. >> you still have to prove that they caused his death by the negligent act. >> you don't think the choke had anything to do with why he died? >> there were no injuries to his neck. the man was alive after that happened. >> but then why do you think he died? >> well, that's the question that we don't know. in my business i can't take a case to court that we don't know the answers to those questions. it is as simple as that. >> don't you put those questions to the jury and you believe when you put together their actions with a very questionable

reasonable basis for criminality other than the mask and 911 call which was not proven to be clear by what they found when they contacted him. the guy was just walking down the street. not very suspicious behavior to me except the fact he has a mask on. i haven't even mentioned his color because i don't need to. the facts alone suggest judgment in question. they then choke the guy even though they have three officers on him and the guy is 5'6", 140 pounds, and not bruce lee. then he winds up dead. you don't think they have anything to do with it. >> if you look at the officer's statements they all indicated he lifted them all up off the ground. whether that happened i don't know but that is the evidence in front of me, the evidence a jury would see. that is what i base my decision on. >> they would hear that testimony as cross examined by someone like you who's got a great reputation for being a great cross examiner. >> well, i've been doing this for 30 years. >> i know. >> i think i know a little bit

more about this business than most people who have opinions on this case. i cannot take a case to the jury where i don't know the cause of death in a homicide case. i don't even have serious bodily injury. i can't even take a felony assault charge to a jury based on the lack of injuries. what i'm left with is a potential third-degree assault which is the class one misdemeanor. and that is where i want to get into the reasonable suspicious activities that led these officers to do what they did. you can't look at it as an investigation as a whole. you got to put yourself in those officers' shoes at the time. that is what the case law says. that is what the statutory law says. >> so you think what they did, you don't like how they did it but that speaks to the job and the standards of the job not what you can call a crime. >> absolutely right. i don't approve what they did. i wish they'd have sat in their car and watched him walk home. we wouldn't be having this discussion and elijah mcclain

may be still alive right now. >> in all likelihood would be. but you don't see that decision to not stay in the car and approach it a different way as failing to meet the standard for the initial stop which is reasonable suspicion of a crime. >> no i do not. they are responding to a 911 call and are going to investigate that situation and you can see from the body camera footage the officers trying to have a conversation with him, saying calm down dude. we just want to talk. we just want to talk. as things escalate in the officers' minds, i got to determine whether it is reasonable they think there might be a reason to pat him down. they don't know if he has a weapon. they don't know anything about him. >> to me it just speaks to of them being so bad at their job, not knowing how to de-escalate or how to deal with a mentally ill person. that is not your problem mr. da. these aren't easy conversations to have. i'm not here to take you down.

it is not me versus you. the key is the we. we have to have the conversations and people need to understand the process and why decisions were made as they were. i appreciate you coming on to make your case. >> you bet. >> all right. i'm not here to make it easy but here to be fair. we'll be right back.

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eric gwenrich, good to have you on "prime time." >> thanks so much for having me, chris. >> first, convince me to believe in the poll. he won by almost 11 percentage points in your county where green bay is, brown county. do you feel that your state has changed its political disposition since three years ago, four years ago? >> yeah, i do. obviously wisconsin is well-known as a purple state, but, you know, our last presidential election was the first time we've gone republican since 1984, so i would expect a return to form this fall, and i do expect a democratic victory in november. >> now, look, the pandemic is going to play large for people in terms of how they feel on the state and federal level this was handled. the return or the resurgence of cases seems to be linked to a relaxing of isolation and mask wearing. what is your concern about what the president is going to say and what do you want people to know? >> well, i do think it's

incredibly unfortunate that the president has chosen to politicize the act of wearing a mask. it's an incredibly emp thattic step to take, you know, the idea that wearing a mask is somehow a political statement is absurd when, of course, you have the cdc and public health experts all the way from the national level down to the local level encouraging people to wear masks. if the president had taken the same step, had all along been encouraging people to take this step to wear masks, to keep people safe, i think, you know, the outcome would have been much more positive. we would have saved tens of thousands of lives and we wouldn't see the uptick in cases that we've seen unfortunately in wisconsin in recent days and so many other states around the country. >> the irony is that by ignoring it he's extended it, and hats why you have states like yours went from 3.5% unemployment to 12%. that will be part of the election as well. mayor eric genrich thank you for

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