you can get it on any division. "ac 360" starts now with anderson. good evening. breaking news tonight the president just commuted the prison sentence of rodger stone but whatever it means, and whatever it says about the president's view of the law it's a distraction from his fiailure to the american public today. we begin with the most central fact of the pandemic. the coronavirus is winning and the trump administration has no plan for stopping it. that's the truth tonight and every night of this pandemic. it is as sad and simple as that. the virus is owinning and there is no plan. this week new cases topped 60,000 a day. the most on earth and ever in this pandemic and at the end of a day that's seen a major american city atlanta rollback the reopening to phase one because cases there are spiking.

tonight, more than four months and 135,000 lives into this growing, not shrinking pandemic and two brutal weeks of cases spiking and hospitals filling up and icus overflowing, the president of the united states does not have a plan to turn this around. what he does have as shown by statements and actions not taken is a plan for down plays, a plan for ignoring, a plan for sometimes even mocking the single greatest preventable lost of life in this country's peacetime history. if he is as his niece mary trump says incomprehending suffering of others. he made it clear, he does not want the country to know about it. he does not want you to pay attention to this virus or do the very basic things that would actually work to curtail the spread of the virus. it clear he does not want the country to have the kind of shared fact based picture of reality that would help us all in this fight. his only plan if you can call it

that is to gaslight the american people over and over and over again. >> well, i think we are in a good place. we've done a good job. i think we're actually -- we are going to be in two, three, four weeks by the time we next speak, i think we'll be in very good shape. >> we are in a good place, going to be in very good shape he says. when he said it on tuesday, the death toll was 130,300 american lives lost and today 134,000. nearly 4,000 more americans have died. there is no good place on earth, no descent place, no normal place where so many people die so needlessly in so few days. certainly no place where the plan to save lives because a plan would include steps to understand the size and scope of the pandemic through testing. and straight talk about the danger instead this is what we get. >> testing. there were no tests for a new

virus. but now we have tested almost 40 million people. by so doing, we show cases. 99% of which are totally harmless. >> i mean, that is just nonsense. it's worse than nonsense. it dangerous. he is telling us this deadly pandemic isn't really bad at all. ignoring that even if you don't die from it, you can permanently be scared by it, lung damage, brain damage. they don't even know the long-term effects. the vice president makes the president's lies more palatable and explained the 99% lie by saying he's an of testimony mis. >> the american people know he's an optimist and believes in this country and believes the american people deserve to have the whole story. >> he's just an optimisoptimist.

he loves us, that's why he lies to us every day. the american people deserve to have the whole story so here is what the vice president and president don't say. covid is not 99% totally harmless, it's 4.6% fatal according to data from johns hopkins university and even though the death rate has been falling, it's climbing again. more cases to more people being hospitalized and more people losing the battle the president calls 99% harmless. since reopening, texas seen new cases rise by 849%. nearly 10,000 new confirmed infections today alone. in arizona cases up 887%. major hospitals at full capacity and since reopening, florida case numbers have risen by 12037%. they went to more than 9,000 cases a day.

having a plan to save lives and build testing and is contact tracing would mean not pushing those states to reopen too soon as president did. he was talking about reopening count t country by easter. >> wouldn't it be great to have the churches full? the churches aren't allowed essentially to have much of a congregation there and most of them, i watched on sunday online and it was terrific, by the way. online will never be like being there. i think easter sunday and you'll have packed churches all over our country. i think it would be a beautiful time. >> he's such a godly man. it's incredible. a beautiful time. he said on march 24th when the death toll stood at 1,000, cases were exploding across the northeast when he said that. so in other words, when it was abu abundantly clear, this is the best time for a federal response to protect the country.

there was none and still isn't. there was only a push to pretend the problem didn't exist or would go away. >> we have it totally under control. it one person coming in from china we have it very well under control. we have very little problem in this country at this moment. we have it very much under control in this country. very interestingly we've had no deaths. the coronavirus, which is very well under control in our country. everything is under control. they are very, very under control. it's something we have tremendous control of. the crisis is being handled. we are like wise getting under control. >> so if you're keeping score at home, the president's covid-19 plan so far to this day includes denial, deception, listening spot stock market but not the virus or cdc's guidelines or his

coronavirus task force guidelines when it comes to reopening the economy, which is now shutting back down again. the plan includes pushing states to do the same for schools as they did for their economies. >> we hope that most schools will be open. we don't want people to make political statements for political reasons so they keep the schools closed, no way. we're very much going to put pressure on governors and everybody else to open the schools to get them open and it's very important. >> this is like soviet double speak. people hold -- want to keep the schools closed because they think it benefits them politically. when governor thinks it benefits them to keep public schools closed across their state? parents angry, kids angry, parenting suffering at their job because they can't go to work because their kids are at home, somebody has to take care of them. who does that thinking it scores political points? the last time around the president looked the other way

as states disregarded cdc guidelines for reopening safely and encouraged them to reopen and ignore his own task force guidelines. for america's kids and teachers, he's trying to weaken the guidelines themselves. >> the president said today we don't want to guidance to be too tough and that the the reason next week the cdc will be issuing a new set of tools. >> yeah, we don't want it to be too tough, you don't want scientific guidelines, you want just some new tools. a plan for fighting the virus and saving lives means strengthening the tools, not weakening them and assessing the dangers and informing the public. kaitlan collins says the president has not attended a coronavirus task force meeting since april and she is reporting the president hasn't seen the nation's leading infectious disease dr. anthony fauci in over five weeks. hasn't briefed the president in

two months. why would that surprise anyone? dr. fauci is well respected. he's an expert in the field. all those are negatives to this president. president doesn't want to hear what dr. fauci thinks. they are completely at odds over the virus. dr. fauci is too smart, too political to confront the president directly but speaks honestly when asked. don't take my word for it. watch. >> done a great job whether it's ventilators or anything you want to look at. >> as a country, when you compare us to other countries, i don't think you can say we're doing great. i mean, we're just not. >> we have some areas where we're putting out the flames or the fires and that's working out well. >> right now if you look at the number of cases, it's quite disturbing. we're setting records practically every day of new cases. >> we test so many people that we have more cases. everybody says we have so many cases that's because we test so many people. >> even though the numbers look

good and this is the thing that's a little concerning. now we have 37 million tests have been performed, when you get on the phone and talk to the people in the community, this are still lapses there. >> i said to my people, slow the testing down, please. >> to my knowledge, none of us have been told to slow down on testing. that just is a fact. in fact, we will be doing more testing. >> what we do have is we have perhaps the lowest among the lowest but perhaps the lowest mortality rate, death rate anywhere in the world. >> it's a false narrative to take comfort in a lower rate of death. >> we are going to be in two, three, four weeks by the time we next speak, i think we'll be in very good shape. >> i would not be surprised if we go up to 100,000 a day if this does not turn around. >> i think we are in a good place. >> i think it's important to tell you and the american public i'm very concerned because it

could get very bad. >> and it has. even the days since he said that, it's gotten worse. even as states like arizona doctors and nurses say they are running out of protective equipment. four months in and that is still a problem. we're still talking about personal protective equipment. can you imagine that. in part because there is no federal effort to coordinate the purchase and distribution of supplies. four months in there is no federal mandate on mask wearing. he's still flouting the guidelines as his task force members implore and beg people to wear masks. >> it is critical we take the personal responsibility to slow the transmission of covid-19 and embrace the universal use of face coverings. >> there is no doubt that wearing masks protects you and gets you to be protected. >> we need to support mask

wearing. when i'm in uniform, i wear them, they are white and effective and a great investment for the american people. >> it is not an inconvenience and suppression of your freedom. >> when you're outside and not have the capability of maintaining distance, you should wear a mask at all times. >> this face covering actually is an instrument of freedom for americans if we all use it. >> wear facial coverings where social distancing is not possible. >> please, please, please wear a face covering when you go out in public. >> the president, as you know, just said he doesn't see himself wearing a mask, not presidential. a spay on mask to protect his vanity is presidential but an actual mask to protect other people say no go. the mask, the president wore a mask it would send a message to those foolish enough to listen to him. a mask is the one thing we can all do that science shows can save tens of thousands of other

lives. just that. just putting on a mask. instead, the president's vanity is so extreme and absurd cnn learned the wliet house advisors that want him to do this one simple thing have been searching for venues where he has to wear a mask so he can put it on without seeming like he had to change his mind because for this president, saving face is more important than saving lives. more now on this from kaitlan collins at the white house. the president went to florida not to address the pandemic. what is the rational the white house is providing for that? >> not a lot, really. if you had looked at the president's schedule today, anderson, you would not have known there is a pandemic going on. he goes to florida for a drug trafficking and south america briefing, something he said they thought about doing on the phone but he said he wanted to be there in person despite that 28% positivity rate happen income miami-dade county where he was and then he went to a round table with supporters around venezuela and goes to this campaign fundraiser where he raised about $10 million we're

told and he's on the way home. he's commuted the sentence of roger stone and it's just, he made one brief mention, just one about covid-19 today and that was just him talking about what things looked like before the pandemic hit the united states and that was it. >> when you and i talked a couple days ago, i was stunned when you told me that according to the reporting, according to what you understand, the president has not attended a coronavirus task force briefing since april. the idea that he hasn't attended a coronavirus task force briefing since april and yet he flies all the way down to florida doesn't really mention other than one quick mention about the pandemic for a briefing on drug trafficking which he could have done on the phone for simply the photo op and also to help, i guess, defray cost of him ultimately going to this fundraiser. that is just stunning to me.

he'll go to an obscure briefing on something that, you know, ocho zf use obviously important but could be done on the phone, he'll fly in person but won't go to a coronavirus task force briefing since april. >> they happen in the situation room not far from the white house residence, oval office. he does not go to those. has not been since april. the other thing to consider about the president's travel is not just what he was doing down there but what resources it takes for a president to go somewhere. we've seen how the hospitals in miami are saying they are overwhelmed right now but when a president goes, secret service goes before hand toe sco scope things, which hospital would he go to? they have to block off roads. he has a big staff that goes and stays at hotels to scope it out. are they overwhelming resources where they are already overwhelmed down there. >> dr. fauci has been speaking out in public. he doesn't appear on our town halls anymore. he doesn't seem to be allowed to

be on television the way he used to. i don't think that's by accident. he's disagreeing with what the president says. what is going on between the two of them. dr. fauci said today he hasn't briefed the president in more than two months. >> they are basically not speaking. when you see the tension between them contradicting something the president said or the president is criticizing dr. fauci for giving some advice in the beginning of the pandemic and different now. when they met in person, people around them say it not contentious and not like how the president treated other people he's disagreed with before but the fact of the matter, they do not simply see each other. today is a great example. the president left the white house about 10:00. dr. fauci showed up about 40 minutes later. they aren't speaking. they haven't spoken. that's what he told the financial times since june 2nd. so the question is not just do they not get along but when the president complains about cdc

guidance on reopening the schools, the question is if he wanted to know what the cdc guidance was going to be, why doesn't he go to these meetings or talk to the cdc director or dr. fauci about what they are saying. >> we had redfield on at the town hall last night. when he testified before congress a couple weeks ago, he wouldn't say the last time he actually spoke face-to-face with the president of the quite. t -- united states. fauci said it was two weeks. it has to be longer for redfield because clearly, the president doesn't like him. it's -- i mean, again, this is -- these are the top scientists and president of the united states and they aren't talking. thank you. coming up, two public health experts weigh in on where this is heading, where we are heading. professor william and dr. peter hotez in houston where hospitals are at a breaking point and clemen scy for roger stone and e

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enterprise. we'll have a live report on the president's decision to commute the sentence. we need to hear from medical experts of any coordinated federal response to it and the on going class between the president and facts and the people bringing them hothose facts. the recent author of a family guy to covid, questions and answers for parents, grandparents. dean of the national school of tropical medicine at houston's baylor college of medicine. doctor, you know dr. fauci. when he tells the financial times he last seen the president june 2nd and hasn't briefed hymn in t -- him in two months, what does that signal where things are going on and where things are headed? >> it's not a good sign.signal n

and where things are headed? >> it's not a good sign. the chief infectious disease officer is dr. fauci, dr. redfield, also. they are extremely well versed in what to do and it's like flying blind. it like turning off your radar in the middle of a storm if you're not talking to those people. they are the people you need to guide you through this storm. >> professor, do you worry the cdc which is the preeminent scientific organization around the world people turn to, has it been a number of instances just the most recent one just yesterday or two days ago when the president said the guidelines on schools by the cdc are too tough and expensive and vice president pence said they are too tough, they will get new ones next week and there is going to be something coming out next week. >> the cdc is the organization

that we americans trust to give us policy guidance on how to behave and what rules to follow for our cities and states reopening and for sending our kids back to school. our most presso o pressous -- p possession, our children. it is critical we listen to their advice. it doesn't help if nobody listens or if they change the rules for whatever purpose. it's a very dangerous situation for individuals and for our children. >> dr. hotez every day that goes by without a national plan, the fact that now ppe is back in the headlines about questions about how much ppe is available, dr. hotez, does that make sense given how far we are into this pandemic? >> anderson, if this continues at this rate, we are headed

towards something unprecedented and catastrophic. let look at what the country is going to look like say six weeks from now, say by september 1 if we continue along this trajectory. we'll exceed 100,000 cases per day, new case as day. dr. fauci's apocalyptic prediction. we'll have hospitals overwhelmed. not only in terms of icu beds and hospital beds but exhausted hospital staff and hospital staff that's getting ill themselves. so we won't have enough manpower, human power to manage this. the consequence of that is that's when we see mortality rates go up. that's what we saw in italy and early stages of the epidemic in new york. we have deaths now starting to increase. they said there were no deaths. we knew there was a lag. now the deaths are starting to increase. it will accelerate as hospital

icus become overwhelmed. we'll have students in schools where the teachers now are getting sick and the school staff will start to abandon the schools. so what we're looking at is what i think is going to be one of the most unstable times in the history of our country unless we figure out a way to do something, unless we implement a federal plan and we still can do this but we need a president engaged and a white house engaged. >> professor, assuming, taking that as a potential future, assuming the president won't shift strategies which there is no sign he is. let's talk about what the rest over of us can do and governors and congress and others, what can be done to not have us have 100,000 per day? >> first of all, reinforce what peter said. all people that study these viruses think that the summer is the quiet time. i want you to think about that.

this is the quiet time for coronaviruses. that's what you were hearing. that's what we believe. if this is the quiet time, i hate to think what winter is going to be like this year. that's the first thing to say. second thing to say is it feels a little bit like you're on a ship where the captain said we're sinking, every man for himself. if it's every man for himself, we better pay attention and do what we can to help ourselves. we have to make sure we wear masks like everybody says. we have to social distance, if we can. we have to be aware of our environment. what is the infection rate in our immediate environment so we know how much risk we're taking when we go out. all of these things are left to individuals, which is a very sad state of affairs. we need the government right now to send the needed people and equipment and supplies to our southern and our western states. we need our government to start an education bailout program to help our schools prepare.

we are not prepared at the federal level and the local level can't afford the changes that are needed. >> dr. hotez, what do you see as a path forward? >> well, the path forward is there is no choice. we have to have a federal plan and road map. we know the states cannot do this in the lead and we've seen what happens. it just doesn't work. and so now we have to look around of who is going to step up and take control in response. if the white house won't do it, we will look to the cdc and seems to have trouble with taking leadership and want to have the states lead with cdc advising. maybe they can turn it around. that would be the best thing that could happen. if not, i think we're going to have to look at what are the levers. can congress take control and mandate that if the cdc won't do it, we have other options. we have the u.s. military,

walter reed, the energy labs and contractors but someone is going to have to step up. there is no other way around it. >> dr. peter hotez, professor william, thank you so much. appreciate it. up next, breaking news on roger stone the president's long-time friend days before he was scheduled to report to prison a freeman says the white house after the president commuted his sentence. reaction when we continue. sarah: for a while i've had like a, kind of negative self image. there was like this contrast between like the way that i was thinking about my personality and the way that i was thinking about my body. with noom, i was able to learn how to interrupt those habits and create new ones. so my goal was 35 pounds and i've lost about 30 pounds now. so.. i've never been this confident in my body.

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confident. white house calling him a victim of the russia hoax tonight. i want to go back to kaitlan collins at the wliet house ffro with details. when was it made? do we how it was made? >> there is really serious internal division whether the president should go forward with this. yesterday people were raising the prospect of the president not following through because he's getting advice saying it's going to hurt him politically and you have stone's allies devastating legal fees he's facing and really trying to appeal to the president to pardon his long-time friend by say thing attack on stone is an attack on you and people started to say that's the way the president saw it. so you saw the day that roger stone was sentenced. the president was speaking to a group of people who had been incarcerated and changed their lives and started going off about the justice system. that's how he's been viewing

this and of course, this is how it went today. he let him know he was going to be commuting his sentence. we're told by people he had been a little nervous actually anderson because it's donald trump. he's unpredictable and wasn't completely sure what the president was going to do and they had not been speaking. they were really speaking at the time and though, of course, now he use d the power of his office to help his friend out. >> the way this president used executive clemency for other allies, i mean, did anyone really think he would let roger stone go to prison? there really was some belief he might? >> i think there was belief there was reluctance on the president's part to do it. he and roger stone go way back. they have known each other since the '80s and met through the president's former attorneys but he fired rodger stone from his

campaign he claimed and roger stone claimed he quit because he said he was publicity speaking. they have a back and forth relationship and the president doesn't like to deal with things directly. he likes to do so indirectly so the blame and responsibility goes to president trump himself. i think there are people inside the white house who were trying to appeal to him to get him not to do it, though, of course, they were not successful. >> thanks very much. appreciate it. legal perspective from our former special prosecutor jeffrey prerogative, what do you make of it? >> it the three words that sum up the trump presidency, shocking but not surprising. i guess that the four words. and, you know, this is the most corrupt act in perhaps all of recent history.

you know, richard nixon at the height of watergate never pardoned or commuted the sentences of any of the people involved in watergate. he thought he could never get away with it but our standards have sunk so low that the president could reach out to someone who is convicted of a crime that everyone who is convicted of that crime goes to prison. he was sentenced to 40 months. he's going to do no time for the only reason he's the president's friend. that is not how the american judicial system is supposed to work, and it is now how it has worked historically, even with friends of the president who get arrested. >> the president said right before he cleared peaceful protesters he's our law and order president, is that law and ordinary sner. >> as a technical matter, one of the most unfeathered powers any president has is the power of the pardon. it's unreviewable and can't appeal to any court but law and

order means something more than technical power and authority. i agree with jeffrey about how corrupt an act it is. maybe not prosecutable but some people think it might be. earlier y eier today, rodger std i'm hoping for a pardon or clemen see and ocy and one reas could have turned on the president. i didn't. there is pressure for me to do so. i would have made things easier if i had. it's an astonishing statement and admission of something. ordinarily if it were you or me or jeff toobin, up standing citizens and someone said there is pressure to turn on you. go ahead. what are you going to say? the fact roger stone said i resisted pressure to turn on the president is essentially an admission he was in a position to implicate the president in misconduct or wrongdoing. and as a big favor to roger

stone, president compumuted his sentence. there is wide latitude for him but should astonish every american. this is up there. >> and jeff, you mentioned that the people convicted of the crime stone was, can you remind everyone of what those crimes were? what was it he did? >> he was charged with seven counts of crimes related to the mueller investigation. the first crime was obstruction of justice. five crimes of lying to congress and one crime of witness intimidation, threatening in effect to kill a witness and perhaps his dog who were going to testify against him. you know, this was no joke. even william barr who was hardly

critical of the president said he thought it was a legitimate prosecution. this is something that is just simply not done by american presidents. they don't pardon or commute sentences of people who are close to them who are about to go to prison. it just does not happen until this president. and, you know, we're going to see if anyone cares. >> it's also -- i mean, somebody who is accused of doing something to benefit the president. i mean, that it's not just the president pardoning somebody who is a wealthy donor or this is somebody who was -- seems to be covering for the president. >> yeah, look, it a combination of things all of which really sort of mark this in muck. it's someone who is an associate of the president that he got involved with and committed crimes that were intended to protect the president and then who looks like he did a favor

for the president by not opening his mouth and keeping his mouth shut. the president using one of the most ex ordinatraordinar ord co powers. you have the power case of michael flynn where the justice department did an extraordinary thing and moved to dismists the case. the justice department thinks someone was wrongly investigated and prosecuted and convicted. they will go so far as to look to dismiss the case even after conviction by guilty pleas. bill barr did not do that here even though he intervened in an inappropriate way in a lack of independence on the part of the attorney's office in d.c. moved to reduce the sentencing recommendation but in the case of roger stone, this person people think is not independent from the president did not think to go so far as to say this was an improper prosecution or an improper conviction and that

jail time was appropriate. that shows you how far even further the conduct of the president is with respect to someone who is close to him. >> if this was, you know, if we were watching this happen in some other country and you look and say wait, here is a leader who is helping out his criminal pals while trying to get his political opponents investigated, that, i mean, that's what happens in authoritarian countries, that's what happens in places where the ruling families in this case i guess there is because -- >> it's one of the signatures of authoritarian countries that they control the judicial system to favor their friends. that is what authoritarianism means in how countries are governed. that the how we know the difference between corrupt countries and countries where the rule of law matters because in corrupt countries, the people

who are close to the people don't get treated like everyone else. they don't get punished or prosecuted when they violate the law. and that is precisely what -- >> and jeff's screen froze there. jeff toobin, thanks very much. up next, nancy pelosi on the trump administration's coronavirus response and her thoughts on the commuted sentence of rodger stone.

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>> our breaking news tonight, president trump commutes the prison sentence of roger stone. i talked about it with nancy pelosi before the white house made the announcement but but w start with the white house response to the pandemic and how the white house turns it around. here is my conversation with speaker pelosi. madam speaker, president trump claims we're in a good place and pushing obviously for schools to reopen but says the cdc guidelines are too tough, expensive and inpractical. dr. fauci says he hasn't seen the president in more than a month and hasn't briefed him in

more two than months. should the president listen to anything regarding coronavirus and if not, who should they listen to? >> no, the fact is the president has been a failure in every way right from the start his denial, calling it a hoax. his delay and all the rest have gotten us into a very bad place. but we want to go forward and where we go from here is not to listen to the president because he doesn't listen to the scientists. it's very, very sad. now he's messing with our children. we all want our children to go back to school. but we want them to go to school safely. and that's an absolute must for every parent and every teacher in our country. >> you talked about the importance of testing and of tracing and treating and distancing, things are so bad in some states, the experts i've been talking to say contact tracing now isn't even practical in some places because there are simply too many positive cases. how do we get out of this

without, you know, centralized federal leadership? >> you just have to have that leadership. and all of the countries of the world that have been successful in curtailing the spread of the virus or at least to in some cases end it. they have had a centralized leadership. and that leader ship has to have a strategic plan based on science and all the science tells us what we have in the heroes act is about testing, tracing, treatment, distancing, mask wearing, hand washing. and the president just seems to resist science and he also resists governance. science and governance will get us out of this but the president, i just can't explain it. i don't want to waste too much time on him. what we have to do is how can we go forward? one way is to pass the heroes act. >> where does that stand now? obviously, you know, there's

supposed to be a second -- could you explain more about the heroes act? it will entail? >> yes. i'd love to. first, the three pillars to the heroes act, it's called the heroes act because it's about our heroes. sanitation workers, all of the services that meet the needs of people. and how we honor them and we have no authority to thank them or honor them unless we want to support them. >> dr. fauci said this week that any state that's having a serious problem with infections right now should seriously look at shutting down potentially california obviously your home state one of those states struggling right now sadly. i mean, is the shutdown in california or any other state seeing a surge and continued infections, is that something governors should entertain?

>> well, i think each community has to make its own decisions in terms of the state and the city and et cetera as to what the infection rate is there, how it has diminished or not over a 14-day period. and people have to make their judgment -- leaders there have to make their judgment about what works in their communities because the shutdown is a hard thing. people don't want to have to stay home. they want to go to work, they want their kids to go to school, but they are so smart. the american people are so smart. they don't want to do this unless it is safe, and that's a judgment that the communities have to make. but in order to help them make that we have to let them -- they have to be able to quantify what the virus is in their community, testing, tracing, treating, social distancing. >> just final questions. cnn is reporting that according to half a dozen people to the president it's widely expected

he's going to grant clemency to roger stone before he's sent to prison next week. the president has branded himself a law and order president although what that definition for him is frankly unclear. what do you think of that idea? >> i think it's a terrible idea. just look at this administration, the president and his henchmen. so many of his friends, advisers, campaign chairman, et cetera, are in jail. and for the president to be able to issue a pardon on the basis of a crime that the person committed assisting the president is ridiculous, and there ought to be a law, and i'm recommending we pass a law that presidents cannot issue a pardon if the crime that the person is in jail for is one that is caused by protecting the president, which this was.

it's appalling. >> i appreciate your time. thank you. >> my pleasure. thank you so much, anderson. >> well, on covid there's perhaps no place more apparent for a lack of a plan than florida. more than 11,000 new cases today reported in florida. the state now falling under scrutiny from task force member dr. fauci who argues florida, quote, jumped over check points in reopening. governor desantis pushing back saying there was no justification not to move forward at the time. randy kaye is in palm beach county tracing what went wrong. >> reporter: on april 1st florida governor ron desantis issued a stay at home order hoping to contain the coronavirus. weeks later while visiting the white house the governor took a victory lap for how he managed things back home. >> everyone in the media was saying florida was going to be like new york and italy, and that has not happened. we had a tailored and measured approach that not only help our numbers be way below what anyone predicted but also did less damage to our state going forth.

>> reporter: that turned out not to be the case at all. trouble started in early may when desantis rushed to reopen before many other states. restaurants, gyms, barbershops and beaches were first to reopen in most parts of the state. after memorial day the virus was starting to rage. by july 1st there were more than 9,000 new cases reported in one day statewide. and recently new daily cases topped 11,000. but if you listen to desantis there's a disconnect. >> i think we've stabilized where we're at. >> reporter: that's just not true and the data proves it. since reopening florida's average number of daily new cases has jumped to more than 1,200%. and dozens of hospitals throughout the state have run out of icu beds. in the last two weeks in hard hit miami-dade county the need for icu beds has increased 88%, and ventilator use jumped 123%. the state's positivity rate is

hovering close to 30%. >> we are in the midst of a very, very vicious spike in our community in miami-dade county and, you know, one thing you can't have is for a governor or a president trying to down-play it as if it's not an urgent thing we need to pay attention to. >> reporter: urgent indeed, but despite the governor's promise to release data of how many patients are hospitalized here in the state of florida with covid he has yet to do so. instead suggesting this week that all of the information can be found on florida's department of health website. >> they have so much raw data on there, i mean people can pull out, you know, all this information. i mean, it's really incredible the amount of -- people do the charts and the graphs and everything. >> reporter: that's not true either. the information is just not there. specifically the critical number of hospital patients with covid-19. so while the governor continues to defend his move to reopen the state the fact is more than

4,100 floridians are dead, and the message from the governor still coming up short. >> there's no need to really be fearful about it. >> reporter: randy kaye, cnn, palm beach county, florida. >> well, ahead more on tonight's breaking news. roger stone spared from prison with only days to go as president trump commutes his sentence. what the white house is saying about today's decision next. e es the very best start in life. because a changing environment should mean caring for the land that takes care of us all. at bayer, everything we do, from advances in health to innovations in agriculture, is to help every life we touch. at bayer, this is why we science.

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good evening. chris cuomo is off tonight. we begin with breaking news. the president late tonight commuting the prison sentence of his some time friend and long time associate roger stone. roger cellphone the convicted felon convicted by a jury of lying to congress apparently on the president's behalf. cnn's sara murray has the details. president trump called roger stone earlier. what are you learning about the conversation? >> reporter: that's right. roger stone had been waiting for and hoping for this phone call. he said he'd been praying for i