♪ hello, everyone. i'm michael holmes, and this is "cnn newsroom." president donald trump now doing what some americans have been doing for months now, whitewatering a mask. he did it during a visit to a military medical center on saturday. this is the first time he has been wearing one of these masks in front of the cameras. doctors and scientists have been saying for months that wearing a mask keeps the virus from spreading, even if you don't know you have it. in fact, there is now a new estimate of how many people may be infected with the coronavirus while having no symptoms at all. the cdc says it could be as much as 40%. and it might be behind one of the reasons for this. 29 states now reporting a rise in coronavirus cases.

south carolina, texas, florida, georgia, all reporting record or near record daily case numbers on saturday. now for months, president trump has of course refused to wear a mask, despite the urging of his own team of public health experts. kristen holmes explains why he has decided to do it now, and whether he might stick with it. >> reporter: president trump wearing a mask for the first time in public saturday on a visit to walter reed hospital. there he met with wounded warriors, as well as some of the health care workers on the front line. we have learned that this was a result of begging and pleading by aides and advisers who wanted him to have this photo op in a mask to make a point, to endorse mask wearing. however, there are some questions as to whether or not this will actually work. we have to keep in mind wearing a mask has become incredibly political. and president trump made a statement on the way to walter reed about why he was wearing a

mask at this point. take a listen. >> well, i'll probably have a mask if you must know. i will probably have a mask. i think when you're in a hospital, especially in that particular setting where you're talking to a lot of soldiers and people that in some cases just got off the operating tables, i think it's a great thing to wear a mask. i've never been against masks. but i do believe they have a time and a place. >> so you hear president trump there giving a very limited setting. he is talking about soldiers coming off of the operating tables. and that is not the same message that these health officials are setting. they are saying to wear a mask any time that you cannot socially distance. they want people wearing masks indoors. they're talking about people wearing masks at grocery stores. and it's unclear that this is going to send the message that his aides and advisers were hoping it would when we has himself limited it to such a very small venue of when he believed wearing a mask is appropriate.

and just to remind our viewers, this is something president trump has really been against. he says he hasn't been, but he said he didn't believe wearing a mask was for him. we know behind closed doors that he said if he was seen wearing a mask that it might send the wrong message to his supporters as he is trying to move away from the virus. so whether or not this work, whether we see president trump in a mask again, the likelihood of seeing him go to another hospital to visit wounded warrior, that really remains at this point unclear. kristen holmes, cnn, the white house. >> and with me now to clarify some of the latest findings about the virus is dr. jacob steven, a cardiologist at northwestern medicine. doctor, really appreciate your time. rather than just talking about what's happening today, we hear about the tragic cases of those who have died, what they went through, and horrible as that is. but there seems to be growing evidence of long-term damage to

those who survive this. what are you seeing? >> well, thanks for having me, michael. yes, as the pandemic is now in its fifth month, we're starting to see patients coming back who have actually recovered from the initial illness, and yes, they're having a lot of lingering symptoms. these are patients who have been confirmed covid positive, tested negative, have some sort of immunity in their blood, and now they have persistent symptoms, some neurological symptoms, some difficulty breathing. i am seeing more of it talking to my colleagues and even in my own practice. >> what has surprised you most in terms of those who have quote/unquote recovered? what sort of things would you not have expected to be seeing? >> i really would not expect to see such lingering shortness of breath, especially with light amounts of activity. i really did not expect to see this generalized weakness and

fatigue. weeks, even a month after the infection had resolved. >> is it surprising how apparently broad the damage can be? not only the lungs. we're hearing kidney damage, liver, heart, brain, nervous system, gastrointestinal. all of these things were noted friday in a review of reports about covid patients. i mean, it's a very broad range of damage. >> yeah. i think the medical community, when the pandemic initially started was kind of modeling it after an influenza infection, primarily lung infections. but effortly, we're getting a lot of data from the casualties of this pandemic. and what it's showing is that people are dying of systemic inflammation, systemic blood clots. it's a much more ubiquitous infection than say a traditional flu. >> yeah, yeah, the blood

clotting in lots of organs as well. our own chris cuomo and also richard quest, they have spoken about -- who had the virus, of course, they have spoken about things like balance and brain fog and so on. what are you seeing in terms of neurological impacts? even that's among patients who didn't have respiratory symptoms. >> yeah, i actually read the piece that richard quest had put in. and yeah, that's a very apropos article. that's exactly what i'm seeing. i'm seeing a lot of patients who are having this chronic fatigue, can't quite get their breath, even with very light amounts of activity, generalized weakness, kind of malaise feeling that just does not go away. and sure enough, the people is still pretty young. we're only in its fifth month. so we don't know if most of these symptoms will eventually recover down the road. but, yeah, that's exactly what i'm seeing. >> yeah. and you touched on this.

we obvious ly what it's showing is how much we don't know. there is a lot to learn like you said. what would you like to see done in terms of getting our hands around the wider impacts of the virus and the lingering effects going forward? what sort of needs to be done to study that and sort of get our heads around it? >> yeah, i think now that we're getting a lot of data, both here in the united states and around the world, i think the -- we should really focus on creating an inside database and kind of classifying these patients so that we can get better targeted treatment for people that are infected. i don't think we have enough of an international cooperative database to start looking at these large volumes of patients that we have to benefit of study now. >> i want to touch on this too. i'm seeing reports already of people uninsured or underinsured getting massive treatment bills given that the u.s. doesn't have

universal health care. what could we see in terms of the financial impact on people post treatment or with ongoing treatment needs? the u.s. system isn't kind to people who aren't insured. and the unemployment issues only added to that. >> yeah, i'm starting to see quite a few patients now who have ended up losing their jobs. and they're consequently losing their health insurance. i think it's affected the patients who have had critical illness the most, people who have been on ventilators for weeks to a month. they're going home -- they've recovered. they're going home, and they're being hit with these very large bills. so i really don't see that changing until congress starts addressing that particular focus of population to try to help. >> and just finally, what are you seeing regarding noncovid emergencies? i guess in terms of people perhaps not seeking medical treatment when they should, because they're worried about covid, and those with other

conditions harder or whatever perhaps having to wait to be seen. is that a problem? >> well, when the pandemic first started, we definitely had to put off a lot of these elective procedures. fortunately most of them are not critical. as far as the critical cases, people were initially afraid to come into the hospital in case they contracted covid. so they were putting off symptoms related to heart attacks, strokes, they just weren't coming in. and by the time they just couldn't tolerate the symptoms anymore and came in, much of the damage was irreversible. so we have education programs in our system to make sure patients are vigilant about some of the symptoms and to not stay away from the hospitals. we have a lot of protections in place now. we're much better with protection to patients that are coming into the hospital. and we're better at treating covid at this point.

>> right, right. much to learn. much to be concerned about. dr. jacob stephen, really appreciate it. thank you so much. >> thank you, michael. now the cdc estimates that 40% of people infected with the virus don't have any symptoms. and while they may not show any signs, they could of course still be spreading it to other people. cnn's brian todd has more on a new study of these so-called silent spreaders. >> i have had oxygen coming in up my nose, coming out of the wall. >> reporter: before he was admitted to a hospital in pennsylvania this spring, tv sports producer jason artilias believes he carried the coronavirus in his system while he moved around at his work for about a week, a danger that he warned about as he was recovering. >> you may say you're fine. you may say you're low risk. you might get it, not know it, go become to work thinking you're fine, never having any symptoms.

you could give it to people you work with who could get very sick or die. >> reporter: that danger is coming into greater focus. a new study published by the national academy of sciences says people who are so-called silent spreaders could be responsible for about half of automatic coronavirus cases. >> this makes control of covid-19 particularly challenging. with covid-19, people are infectious before any symptoms. so most people who are transmitting the virus are doing so inadvertently without even realizing that they are sick. >> reporter: study author allison galbani says that means mostly it's people who are going through a few days before the symptoms show themselves or who are seemsly asymptomatic. and younger people are more responsible for silent transmissions. a key question now given this new study, how do we combat silent spreading? experts say it means doubling down on the basics.

>> first thing is distance. the second, if you do have to go out, try to physically separate yourself from others. and try to avoid those crowded indoor spaces. and wear a mask to reduce the chances that you could transmit your virus to others if you have it and don't know about it. >> reporter: and expert says this new information on silent transmission does not mean we should panic when we venture out, or think that everyone we see is a silent spreader of coronavirus. >> we still very much think that this virus is spread by close prolonged contact. so we shouldn't take from this that if you're just out in the streets or in the grocery store and you're maintaining distance from people, that this puts you at even greater risk than we may have thought otherwise. >> reporter: still, tracking silent spreaders of coronavirus is going to be a huge challenge in the months and years ahead. this new study says more than one-third of silent infections would need to be identified and isolated in order to suppress any future outbreaks. and the author of the study says we're not there yet. pointing out there is not enough

contact tracing available, and not even enough tests for people who have symptoms, let alone people who are asymptomatic. brian todd, cnn, washington. robert mueller, the former special counsel who investigated the 2016 trump campaign's ties to russia says the prosecution against roger stone was legitimate, and his conviction, of course, stands. roger stone president trump's friend and political ally was found guilty of lying to congress, seven charges in all. guilty verdicts were handed down. now mr. trump commuted mr. stone's 40-month sentence on friday night, and in a rare op-ed in "the washington post," mueller defended his team against the white house cries that the investigation was a hoax and a witch hunt. he writes in part, quote, we made every decision in stone's case, as in all our cases based solely on the facts and the law and in accordance with the rule of law. the women and men who conducted

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we are just weeks away from the traditional start of the academic year in many states in the u.s., but there are a lot of concerns about how students and teachers are going to stay safe when they do get back to class. cnn's chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta takes a closer look. >> reporte >> i have three girls going into tenth grade, eighth grade and sixth grade. what's going to happen this fall is topic number one in our household, what's going to happen with schools. the american academy of pediatrics has been very clear on this. they say kids physically in school is key to their development. but we also know case numbers continue to rise across the country. still not entirely clear just how transmissible especially

young kids are. we know they're less likely to get sick. but how likely are they to contribute to the spread this we also know for sure that schools are going to are to do everything they can to try and keep kids safe. so it's going to look a lot different when you get to school this year. now if there is anything we know about this virus, it's that it doesn't like masks. so those are going to be required in all schools, and it doesn't like distance. so you see here, the desks and the teachers area all six feet apart. well aware that a lot of school districts can't possibly do this. all the desks facing in the same direction. if there is any virus in the air, you want it going in one direction as opposed to mixing. also this idea of cohorting. that means the same students would be together all day long. less spread. and also, if someone does get sick, it's easier to contact trace. another thing schools are going to have to think about, trying to reduce areas where children will congregate. think about staggered start

times, for example, rotating classrooms, one-way hallways, and possibly even getting rid of common locker areas. and another thing schools might start doing is having outdoor classrooms, or at least opening the windows to improve the ventilation in indoor classrooms. the end of the day, every family is going to have to look at the risks and the rewards of sending their kids back to school. also, pay attention to what's happening in your community. the virus increasing or is it decreasing? that may play a factor in your decision. and finally, use the rest of the summer to get your kids used to wearing masks, which they're going have to do, and of course washing their hands as much as possible. schools in arizona, one of the hardest hit states are struggling to determine how to reopen safely as coronavirus case there's of course continue to rise. now one school district, this is in gila county not far from phoenix, is struggling more than most. kimberly chavez lopez byrd taught an online summer school

class with two colleagues in the same room there. they all followed the precautions, cleaning, distancing, wearing masks and so on, but all three contracted the coronavirus. and two weeks later, byrd died. well, now her colleagues are mourning her loss and of course wondering if they couldn't keep themselves safe, how they're going to keep a school full of students and teachers safe when they all go back in the autumn. byrd's fellow teachers do join me now. i'm delighted to say jenna martinez teaches first grade. angela skilling second grade. thank you so much. it's a tough time, i know. first of all, jenna, let's start with you. tell me a little bit about kimberly, the type of teacher, more importantly the type of person. >> the type of person kim was was -- she was just a very faithful person, and she led her life based on her faith.

she was very supportive. she was what i would call a giver, a giver of knowledge, a giver of kindness, a compassionate person, a strong person who stood by her values. she was bold when she needed to speak up, when there was an injustice or something to be heard, especially when it came to children. especially when it came to her students, or her colleagues. she was fun. she was adventurous. she was just a true loving person all the way around. >> yeah, and the story is just so incredibly sad. i mean, the loss of her and i know of course we're seeing this push for schools to reopen. the president even threatening to pull federal funding from states which don't do what he

wants them to do. given your own experiences of covid in the classroom, i'm curious what goes through your mind. numbers soaring in many states. you have the president saying open up or else. angela? >> well, it's very heartbreaking. it's what we have gone through. and my main thing is if we can't stay safe, hoy are our students going to stay safe? i understand we need to open up america economically. we need to get people back to a normal. but we are no longer in the normal society we've been living in. we are now going to have to switch things around because of the virus. for our children, we have to think of their emotional states. if we bring them back to the classroom, children that like to touch things, like to share their socializing, what are we going to do to them emotionally if they take that virus home and give it to a family member or a day care worker or someone that

they are close to and that person passes away? we are going to -- more emotionally. >> no, i understand. and it's interesting. as you were speaking, we were running some file video of kids in school rooms. it's just striking when you think about places where cases are skyrocketing, even with guidelines. i mean, how realistic is it to imagine that you're going to be able to have distancing in corridors, mask wearing, hygiene, when kids are being kids. >> yeah. i notice in my classroom, last year i had 20 students, and i was lucky if they were six inches apart. i can't imagine keeping them six feet apart. they're constantly -- you have small groups. they tell you do a lot of student grouping. and how are we going to do that in a classroom if we have to

social distance. they're going to share everything. they share viruses. they share different illnesses. it's going to happen. and the mortality rate, yes, might be low. but we have to protect our youth. we have to protect our future. these are the kids that are going to lead us 30 years from now. >> you both had this. how are you now, just real briefly? jenna, you start. >> today is my best day yet in about a month. i still have a cough. i still am taking breathes treatments to relieve the tightness in my chest. the fatigue is still lingering. and i tested negative. on my retests. >> angela, you too? and i'll just say to people too, just when we started this interview, you were both coughing. angela, real quick, how are you? >> juvenile, i thought i was getting better, and yesterday the cough came back full force,

probably feeling the worst today than i have in the last month. i retested a week ago, came back positive again. so next week i will go back and get tested again. hopefully this time it's negative and we can push through. this. >> you're both remarkable ladies. our hearts go out to you for the loss of your friend and what you've gone through. thank you for your courage. thanks for talking to us. jenna martinez and angela skillings, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> now the principal of the school where byrd taught released a statement to cnn. in it, pamela gonzalez says in part losing mrs. byrd in our small rural community was devastating. she was an excellent educator with a huge heart. we find comfort in knowing her story may bring awareness to the importance of keeping our school employees safe and our precious students safe in this pandemic. we'll take a quick break.

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welcome back to "cnn newsroom." i'm michael holmes. johns hopkins university now reporting more than 61,000 new covid-19 cases in the u.s. on saturday alone. the u.s. continues to rank number one worldwide for both confirmed cases and for deaths. this week 29 states reporting a

rise in cases. the number of confirmed covid-19 cases worldwide now more than 12 point 6 million. that's also according to johns hopkins university. the governor of hard hit florida says the state will not be missouriing on to the next phase of reopening for now, and he says he is working with the white house to get more testing capability. saturday florida reported its third highest day increases with more than 10,000 infections. governor ron desantis says packed party situations at bars were not part of the guidelines for reopening, but that he does want as many as low risk businesses operating as possible. here is how he explained the situation in terms of the numbers. >> started to see more cases. yes, we started. we've been testing more the last three weeks by far than we have before. but you see that 6-14 to 6-20,

the positivity then goes up to 9.6%. and then the next week in june, 12%. and then we were 14.8% for the last part of june, beginning in july. >> now when you look around the world, it is pretty clear that the disaster unfolding in the u.s. did not have to happen. many countries have successfully managed this virus, or in many cases avoided it altogether. cnn's max foster looks at how they got it right. . >> they need help, because this horrible virus has hit 188 countries. >> reporter: president trump is fond of reminding us that plenty of others have struggled with covid-19. but here is the reality. for every 100,000 americans, at least 40 are dead. and the number of new cases is soaring. meanwhile, in many parts of the world have either recovered or avoided the brunt of the

pandemic altogether. no two strategies were the same, but public health experts tell us around the world there was some commonality to the places that got it right. they took the virus seriously and they acted quickly. >> when we shut down as a nation, in reality, only about 50% of the nation shut down with regard to other things that were allowed. in many of the european countries, 90, 95% of all activities were shut down. >>. >> reporter: one strategy, quick and total lockdown. >> there is a lot we don't know about when covid-19 first surfaced. the chinese government suppressed the earliest reports of the virus, silencing whistle-blowers like dr. li wenliang, who would eventually succumb to the disease. but when the scale became clear, china led the way with a lockdown strategy. they ordered wuhan's 11 million residents to stay home. and then more and more, 62

million by early february. there was a high toll at the epicenter, but the official nationwide death rate per 100,000 is less than one. its curve of new coronavirus cases way down. new zealand was one of the first democracies to shut down. just two weeks after their first case was discovered at the end of february, prime minister jacinda ardern announced mandatory quarantine for anyone entering the country that was followed by a ban on almost all noncitizens and residents entering at all. and after that, total lockdown. the government reports that just over 20 people total have died. less than one per 100,000. its curve down. italy was the first european country to be hit hard by the coronavirus and proof that covid-19 wouldn't stay in east asia. infections and deaths spiraled. cemeteries filled, and italy's hospitals, especially in the hard hit lombardi region, were

overwhelmed and overrun. more than 100 doctors died in less than two months of the initial outbreak there. but the government knew when to change tack. eventually locking down the entire country. the reported death toll in italy was high, 58 per 100,000, higher than the u.s. but it's not climbing much anymore. the covid curve is now down. denmark also adopted the early lockdown. the second european country after italy, and before it had a single confirmed death. its strategy stood in stark contrast to sweden, which refused to lock down to pursue herd immunity. masks have never been widely adopted in denmark. mass testing is only just taking off. but extreme social distancing allowed danes to become one of the first european countries to reopen. it's reported ten deaths per 100,000. their curve way down. >> when you do testing to that extent, you're going to find

more people. you're going to find more cases. so i said to my people, slow the testing down, please. >> another common technique, mass testing for the virus and tracing if spread. vietnam had the potential to be a covid-19 hot spot, but they knew a lot about fighting disease. they also had an aggressive and innovative communications strategy. the government says not a single person has died from covid-19 there. their curve down. south korea also made its own tests. just weeks after chinese scientists published the rna sequence. they haven't had a single confirmed case at the time, just the genetic code. they quickly ramped up testing, setting up drive-through testing way before it would become commonplace around the world. south korea has a total reported confirmed death rate of 1 per 100,000, and their curve is down. iceland i saw firsthand last

month. it's home to one of the leading genetics labs in the world. they use that scientific know how to trace the contacts of anyone who had covid-19. i met this woman who was told to quarantine after being in contact with a waiter who had covid-19. days later, quarantined at home, she also got sick. the government reports three per 100,000 have died. iceland's curve is down. >> i just don't want to wear one myself. it's a recommendation. they recommend it. >> reporter: it took months for president trump to say he was all for masks, but the many places around the world, they simply weren't controversial. whilst the west endlessly debated face coverings, east asia drew on years of standard practice. japan long declined to lock down, but masks, already popular, became near universal. official death rate, one. the covid curve is now down. america's northern neighbor has had its struggle with coronavirus, especially in elderly care homes.

but the canadian government was able to keep its response free of political bickering. masks aren't controversial in canada. >> just it's -- just it's respectable, like being respectful to other people. >> canada has a reported 24 deaths per 100,000. its curve, down. turkey may not have had the mask culture of east asia, but face coverings became mandatory in public places way back in april. just six people per 100,000 are reported to have died there. and their curve is down. american doctors know this as well as their counterparts abroad. covid-19 is new and it requires innovation. here at the university of oxford, for example, scientists have discovered the power of the steroid dexomethasone, at least according to preliminary reports. germany massively increased its icu capacity.

they had so many extra beds, the patients were flown in from strapped hospitals in france and italy. like the u.s., germany is a federal system, but chancellor angela merkel avoided the pitfalls of political infighting. 11 per 100,000 are reported to have died there. their curve way down. here in the uk, the government has come under heavy criticism for its response to the virus, particularly how it didn't go into an immediate lockdown. the attention now is focused on places like the university of oxford, which is leading the way in vaccine development. above all, the most successful countries empowered the public health experts from the very beginning. the icelandic prime minister told me why she stepped out of the way. >> we listened very closely to the expert, and that was actually a very conscious decision. now we're going to follow their guidelines and not put up a show around id. >> and i think we're going to be very good with the coronavirus. i think that at some point

that's going to sort of just disappear, i hope. >> you still believe so? >> i do, i do. sure. >> the american president hoping for the best, but scientists will tell you there is still no end in sight to this pandemic. max foster, cnn, oxford, england. >> we'll take a short break. when we come back on "cnn newsroom", james made it famous. but now the tiktok app is everywhere. is it really a security risk? we'll discuss after the break. draw the line with roundup. the sure shot wand extends with a protective shield to target weeds precisely and kill them right down to the root. roundup brand. trusted for over 40 years. fits skin tone and texture. formula with mattifying clay... stops shine. blurs pores. for your most natural matte. fit me matte & poreless. only from maybelline new york

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the u.s. democratic and republican national committees are warning staffers about using the chinese-owned app tiktok. you may have heard of it. the video sharing service facing increasing scrutiny since the u.s. secretary of state said washington was looking into banning it. he said it was a possible threat to national security.

tiktok has already been blocked in india, where it also has millions of fans. and joining me now is executive editor of the coin desk. thank you so much for being with us. how does an app for quirky videos end up in this situation? what are the security concerns? >> well, it ends up in this situation because it happens to be owned by a chinese company. that's the short answer. so like many apps, tiktok has had some security issues that mostly have to deal with the data the app collects, right. like many other social media apps, it's collecting user data, and it is going beyond just the stuff that you have entered into the app. it's also looking at your browser history, some of your activity outside of the app is using cookies and other technology to sort of profile you in some ways. on top of that, they've been shown to be capturing clipboard

data, which could actually end up capturing pass words, because that's how a lot of password managers use. they put passwords on your clipboard. now as far as the clipboard issues are concerned, tiktok says they've addressed that. they're going to stop doing, that even though they said so before and they didn't stop doing it. but they said for sure this time. and the broader data question is sort of -- is a good question. it's just it applies to all kinds of social media companies that profile us. >> right, right. from what i'm reading, the app has been downloaded more than two billion times. that's according to the research firm censor tower. is it so widely used now that in terms of people stepping back from using or can a ban be effective or even legal? >> well, you can always ban an app. and we're already starting to see that now that tiktok has

pulled out of hong kong. india has decided to ban the app. basically, you need to get the apps or providers, mainly apple and google to cooperate. so they'll no longer offer it. and on top of that, they or the country request can block the app, because people have already downloaded it, right? those people will have to be blocked from using byte dance servers and making sure they don't use it. an app is certainly possible, but it's very, very popular. two billion downloads is huge. i can see there being quite a user revolt if it were -- if it were ever banned in a particular jurisdiction. it really depends who has the more convincing case as to whether it is really, really a security risk or not. >> yeah. i mean, how much of this could be just political? i mean, donald trump's got a beef with china over a number of

things. could he be just using this for geopolitical advantage, some leverage? and what are the risks of governments stopping people from using certain amounts in terms of precedent. they could turn around and do it for whatever apps they don't like. >> exactly. this is almost entirely clipboard, geopolitical, at least. so trump has chimed in. others have chimed in. but at the end of the day, it becomes this situation in the world where china is increasingly becoming a big competitor in tech in geopolitics, in all kinds of arenas. and is it widely seen as an adversary, particularly in the u.s.? so when an app that happens to be owned by a company, the chinese company takes off in popularity, it's going to get scrutinized. now whether that's fair or not is another question.

if you're applying what could potentially happen, again, there is no evidence that tiktok has shared information with the chinese government or even these other companies which have come under scrutiny. it's really -- they're being scrutinized for the potential. they could be compelled by the chinese government. that's true. but that is a very wide net to cast. that's basically saying any app or service that's based in china or has a chinese parent is at risk. and so that's -- if that's what we're saying, let's just say it. >> i was going to say, every household in the developed world has probably got chinese-made electronics in it, which any could do nefarious things as well as any other sort of apps as well. so you think it's political. where do you think this is going to go? >> well, i do think that tiktok are going to continue to bend over backwards to show that they

are not in the thrall of the chinese government. and they're doing this partly by pulling out of hong kong now that the chinese government has clamped down there. they're going to -- they have an american ceo who is based in l.a. they're going to continue to insist that their data, at least for u.s. users is kept in the u.s. whether that's enough, i mean, we'll see. but, again, i really just think the bar of evidence, you kind of need to go a little more than just it's a chinese app owned by a chinese company. you to show where the security risk really is. and that hasn't -- that case hasn't been made. >> these are political times. thank you so much. i really appreciate it. a fascinating issue. >> my pleasure. thanks for having me. >> major league baseball preparing for its long delayed opening night less than two weeks from now. it's not going smoothly, though. we'll get the latest from dodger stadium when we come back. they h accident forgiveness allstate won't raise your rates

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dodgers stadium. >> reporter: at latest count, 57 new deaths, more than 2900 new cases here in los angeles county. at two developing stories intersecting this week end here at dodgers stadium. in the parking lot aggressive covid-19 testing continues. six lanes. capacity of 6500 tests per day. this might be the biggest testing site in the nation. the city of los angeles thinks that it is. that will continue. inside the stadium the los angeles dodgers held a game and they are ramping up with new protocols. the players will take a covid-19 test every other day. their temperatures will be taken at least twice a day. there will be no more of these sharing team meals and buffet style. they are going to have their meals given to them in

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